How I Killed Your Master: Page 025 to ~046

[Kim]

Loving the new art style, the coloring is absolutely gorgeous.

[MSperoni]

Thanks :D


I don't know what happened, but after I finished the Red Mage pic it seemed as if everything "clicked" with me coloring wise.. Like all of a sudden I had an idea how I wanted to do it.

I do the comic 100% digitally now, I rarely even draw in my sketchbook anymore. I love not messing with the cost of paper and materials, also I really like being at the computer all the time rather than off at my drawing desk. It does make me a little overdependent on the machine, but I like the way the new pages look too much to go back to the old way unless I have to.

If it took a lot longer to make a colored page than it did a black and white one I would debate it a little more, but really it takes about the same amount of time to do these pages as the old ones.


Note for Reference: I have personally dubbed these jokers Wong's fighting the "Yellow Cyclops Gang" cos they all wear yellow and they all only have one eye :p The script just said "bandits" but I figured they needed a gimmick ^_^

If only I knew how to say "Yellow Cyclops Gang" in Chinese that'd might make 'em sound cooler. It's more a kind of a joke name at the moment, but it works I guess!

[Corel]

Note for Reference: I have personally dubbed these jokers Wong's fighting the "Yellow Cyclops Gang" cos they all wear yellow and they all only have one eye :p The script just said "bandits" but I figured they needed a gimmick ^_^

If only I knew how to say "Yellow Cyclops Gang" in Chinese that'd might make 'em sound cooler. It's more a kind of a joke name at the moment, but it works I guess!

Ha ha, I had just noticed that all the bandits are missing their left eye.

Mm, if I were to take a guess the above would probably be something like:

huángsè dānyī yī gè yǎnjīng qiáng dào duì (黄色单一一个眼睛强盗队)

Which pretty much means "Yellow single eye thief team". I don't think there's a word for Cyclops in Chinese.

I do like the colour palette you have chosen, it's vibrant without being bright. Which is something you don't see a lot of in comics.

[MSperoni]

Ooo..that sounds pretty cool. Long, but cool :)

What is just "Huang Danyi" ? Yellow --- Thief?

I actually knew "Huang" was yellow because when looking around for Wu Xing references I saw that the "Yellow Dragon" (Huang Long) was associated w/ the Earth element. Also "Huang" can be said as "Wong" can't it? I kinda chose them to be yellow for that reason.. I guess it's kind of like a really weird/dumb esoteric joke :p (which may not even be accurate!)

But yep, they're all missing their left eye. I don't really have a backstory reason why though.. Maybe it was part of the ritual to join the Huang Danyi Yi Ge Yanjing Qiang Dao Dui (they need a shorter name :p) or if it was something that happened to them in the past (maybe they were all soldiers who got their eyes stabbed out at one point).

I hope Wong runs into an older Jiao and Bao (if they're still alive). I'd like to draw 'em in color :)

[Corel]

Ooo..that sounds pretty cool. Long, but cool :)

What is just "Huang Danyi" ? Yellow --- Thief?

I actually knew "Huang" was yellow because when looking around for Wu Xing references I saw that the "Yellow Dragon" (Huang Long) was associated w/ the Earth element. Also "Huang" can be said as "Wong" can't it? I kinda chose them to be yellow for that reason.. I guess it's kind of like a really weird/dumb esoteric joke :p (which may not even be accurate!)


huáng can have quite a few meanings. Apart from meaning Yellow it can also mean Sulfur and in some cases Pornographic.

The Wong/huáng thing (Colours make common surnames), could be dependant on the dialect and the region. Wáng 王 and Wong being the same idea. Quickly asking someone Wong is apparently Cantonese. Korean has this too with the name Hwang.

If you just want yellow robbers, I believe that would be huángsè qiáng dào duì (黄色强盗队), which would mean Yellow Robber group (I believe saying Yellow Robber would be calling the Robber Yellow.) The literal translation is Yellow (黄色) Power (强) Thief (盗) Team (队)

Be careful using this with the colour green too.

Edit: To those who are interested, dānyī yī gè yǎnjīng means "Single eye". In Chinese you don't have singular or plural (Among other things...). If you want to put amounts to things you say "One of 一个, two of 二个, five of 五个 etc.". Saying "A single eye" could be dānyī yī gè yǎnjīng (单一一个眼睛). I believe it makes sense, but I'm pretty sure there's another way to phrase it. Oh well!

Edit Edit: If you want something even simpler you've got huáng de dào - Yellow Robber 黄的盗 (Aka. Yellow adjectival suffix Robber)

[Meister]

The Pornographic Robber Group. I can't decide if I'm intrigued or horrified.

e: the Pornographic One-eyed Robber Group.

The coloring really is fantastic by the way. I like the way the first panel blends in from black and white.

[Ggolbez]

Just throwing this out there - I preferred black and white. Just saying.

[MSperoni]

The Pornographic Robber Group. I can't decide if I'm intrigued or horrified.

e: the Pornographic One-eyed Robber Group.

That's definitely not what I was going for :p


Huang de dao?

Dang Chinese w/ their lack of Cyclopes words .. If they were Japanese we could just say like "Yero Rabbah Saikuroppsu Gang" or something.

[Corel]

Huang de dao?

Dang Chinese w/ their lack of Cyclopes words .. If they were Japanese we could just say like "Yero Rabbah Saikuroppsu Gang" or something.

There probably is a word for "One eyed", but I ain't aware of it.

[MSperoni]

Tsk! Brian needs to corner the Chinese market with his comics so the NPF will get some Chinese members to help us out with these things.

My authentic frame of reference only extends to Japan. If all this were Japanese I could have it all accurate or at least close to accurate in a matter o' a handful of Emails.

[CABAL49]

There are two Chinese men I have been working with, trying to teach them English. I could ask them about cyclopes.

Also, being a faceless peon is the worst job in the world. "What is your purpose in life? I was born to have the craps beat out of me by the main character."

[MSperoni]

i wonder if there is a mythological Chinese equivalent of a cyclops.

[Loyal]

Probably not. Chinese mythology is so wierd (just look at their vampires) that a big lunk with just one eye would be pretty mundane by comparison.

[Ggolbez]

Chinese Mythology is like something out of the Twilight Zone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mythology

[MSperoni]

What about "Yellow Demons"? Like..erm.. Huang Yaoguai?

Says on that Wiki article that "Yaoguai" are "demons". But a link also says you can use "Yaomo".. Huang Yaomo?

edit: I THOUGHT "Yaoguai" sounded familiar... I forgot it was the name of the bears in Fallout 3 :p

[Geoffron X]

So apparently there's a new page? But it appears to not be, uh, appearing.

[Meister]

Wong answers the question posed in #37, making a compelling point.

But it seems to be fixed now anyway. It popped up twice in my bookmarks so I'm guessing it wasn't uploaded properly the first time? Either way here's the image URL (http://www.nuklearpower.com/comics/hikym/100205.jpg) just in case.

[5lizak]

*nods* This page is good. I particularly like how the guy's face collapses when kicked. =D

[MSperoni]

It wasn't working for me at first but it is now.

I mean, I have the art and I knew what he was going to say in that last panel but I wanted to see it on the site, dammit!


*nods* This page is good. I particularly like how the guy's face collapses when kicked. =D

Thanks :D I'm kinda modifying the way I'm doing action now.. Subtle modifications that is.. Less speedlines, etc (though you can kinda still see 'em faintly).

[Double]

Hee hee, for a moment it looks like that one guy is wearing classes made out of kicks.

[Hetsurin]

Violence always was a more effective sub-class of diplomacy.

[Kurosen]

Kung Fu is diplomacy by other means.

[Jindra34]

I think he has more than started on the path to recreating his father's style. And from the looks of it, he probably has forgotten what it feels like to need to hit a person twice.

[Lux]

That first panel is simultaneously hilarious and terrifying. That face! I bet he's a real hit with the ladies.

[MSperoni]

Hey, if you're gonna draw some ugly ass bandits may as well make them REALLY ugly :)

and grubby and sweaty too on top of it.

[Green Spanner]

CLIFFHANGER ENDING. THE RESOLUTION WILL PROBABLY INVOLVE PUNCHING.


FUCK YEAH CALLED IT.

[MSperoni]

Yup. However Wong ALSO kicked so you're lucky you said "involved" punching.

[Aldurin]

I have to say that I'm liking how this is going now with the most recent update (the first grouping felt like season 1 of Stargate Universe, all premise-building only to develop something at the very end.) I can't wait to see more of this.

[Ashbourne]

Jesus crap that bandit's nose is huge.

That's all I came to say, carry on.

[MSperoni]

You don't get to be an ugly-ass bandit by having little normal sized dainty features.

[Meister]

This colouring is fantastic. You see a lot of good colouring in webcomics these days but this really stands out. The first panel of #39 almost looks like a frame from a rather high budget animation.

*Disclaimer: Meister does not actually know anything about the professional quality of colouring or the budget levels of animation, but is nonetheless pretty confident about saying this.*

[MSperoni]

Thanks :D I'm using a relatively old art program too so I'm glad I'm still able to make use out of it. I was kind of worried when I started coloring that it wouldn't do what I wanted it to do efficiently, but it appears to be working okay. I don't wanna spend the money on or pirate Photoshop (also I tried installing Painter 11 and my computer wouldn't run it well) so the more life I can get out of good ol' Paint Shop Pro 8 the better :)

This page was only the 4th comic page I had ever colored seriously (I did a "test" colored page prior to starting my color work on HIKYM). I'm glad it seems like I'm starting off strongly :)

[Green Spanner]

Wong's training has apparently granted him the power of fast-travel by montage.

Also:

This colouring is fantastic. You see a lot of good colouring in webcomics these days but this really stands out. The first panel of #39 almost looks like a frame from a rather high budget animation.

^This^

[Ilmoran]

Is it just me or does his right arm in the first panel look awkward (or nearly missing)?

If I force myself to, I can see it as being folded behind his back (which is actually something I often do) but between his close fitting sleeves, baggy-ish outter clothes, and general lack of anything that suggests (to me) a fold in his arm, it looks like he has a stump :eek:

[MSperoni]

well it doesn't look like a stump to me, but then again I've seen the larger version and maybe it's more clear there. (there IS a fold in his arm, but I guess it's just too hard to see on the site)

Obviously I wouldn't draw him without an arm, and if you can guess he has his arms behind his back (like he does in the second panel also), then mission -sort of- accomplished!

[rpgdemon]

Thanks :D I'm using a relatively old art program too so I'm glad I'm still able to make use out of it. I was kind of worried when I started coloring that it wouldn't do what I wanted it to do efficiently, but it appears to be working okay. I don't wanna spend the money on or pirate Photoshop (also I tried installing Painter 11 and my computer wouldn't run it well) so the more life I can get out of good ol' Paint Shop Pro 8 the better :)

This page was only the 4th comic page I had ever colored seriously (I did a "test" colored page prior to starting my color work on HIKYM). I'm glad it seems like I'm starting off strongly :)

If you wanna try playing around with something new, I'd suggest downloading the GIMP. It's an open source program which pretty much seeks to (And does) replicate Photoshop in a freeware open source manner. The nice thing about it is that you can really tweak/customize it to your liking, because it's open source. Even with no inclination to program, someone else has already probably done what you want with it.

[Ashbourne]

I like how Wong is trying to look like a humble monk badass with his hands behind his back but can't wipe the smug look off his face.

In other exciting news, I'm confused about the whole Xu Li vs. Five Dragons feud. From the description it seems like the feud was personal and bitter if it led to the dissolution of the latter party, and Li sounds like kind of a dick if he poisons people in their sleep.

With that in mind, why does Li never try to kill Fei or any of the remaining Five Dragons? He might have feared Wong Senior's style, but he's clearly the kind of person who'd kill the rest of the Dragons to be thorough. It's revealed that he has no intention of killing Fei as his personal assassins state they have no qualm with him.

Secondly, why are the Dragons so incredibly frightened by Li? If Wong Senior could have kicked his ass so badly, they obviously hadn't actually fought because Wong would have killed him. So Li pre-emptively poisons him so it doesn't come to that. What the rest of the Dragons do at this point remains a mystery. They either banded together, fought him, and got their asses kicked then fled, or they fled because they had another, undisclosed reason to be afraid of Li (maybe because he slew the demons of the north?).

Not trying to find problems, I was just confused - I hope I don't awaken tomorrow morning dead.

[Kurosen]

The answer is: you're not supposed to know yet.

[Aklyon]

HIKYM looks awesome in color!

[Ashbourne]

The answer is: you're not supposed to know yet.

I find this to be an adequate reason.

Also, I have a huge fistful of money that I'm ready to hand you as soon as this stuff is printed and purchasable. Just sayin'.

[MSperoni]

I like fistfuls of money! :D

[frostwhisperer]

What are the people in the background on the first panel doing?

[MSperoni]

As Sardapedia (http://8bittheater.wikia.com/wiki/How_I_Killed_Your_Master_%E2%80%93_039) reports:

"Wong walks away from the toll road as the poor family continues to beat up the gate keepers."


Even though it isn't a toll road and they aren't gate keepers as there is no gate nearby (they're just footpads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footpad) or highwaymen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highwayman) --- take note, Valiant Sardapedia writers!)... the family beating them IS accurate.

(since I think to be a highwayman you have to ride a horse, they're footpads/muggers/robbers, either way they aren't "toll road keepers". The lead footpad guy does ask for a toll but he's speaking somewhat euphemistically)

[Red King]

The very last panel is my favorite ever. I love the facial expressions, and how they all just gathered around him.

I have the sneaking suspicion they aren't there to fight though. Maybe it's how that one guy looks like he is about to put forth money to pay for his bill.

[Knight13]

In the last panel he looks like he's thinking "The house special is four big scarred thugs? Maybe I should have ordered something else."

[Green Spanner]

Note to self: Do not order house special from there.

[GrandMasterPlanetEater]

Don't worry - they're just there to warn him not to get the House Special. He'd regret it in the morning.

[MSperoni]

Hatty: "Don't order the special, kid. It changes you.."

Baldy: "Yeah.. We used to be women.."

Wong: "Urp.."

[Meister]

Sardapedia (http://8bittheater.wikia.com/wiki/How_I_Killed_Your_Master_%E2%80%93_039)
When I first heard of that site the first discussion page I read had someone tell a new guy to "shut your non-contributing trap." And now a lack of basic reading comprehension goes on top of that? Sign me the fuck up!

[MSperoni]

Well, good ol' Sardapedia came through cos they made the changes. The "Gate Keepers" were changed to "Muggers"

That works! (i'm a nerd so I like footpads but I think that'd be too esoteric for some folks)

[Hetsurin]

The thing about heavily scarred men is that it's very clear that they get beat up quite easily.

[MSperoni]

Or that they're masochists who get in fights all the time/cut themselves in emo fury.

[betaflame]

Really? no one noticed that they were the bandits he beat up earlier?

[MSperoni]

(I noticed) :p

[Eldezar]

I call shenanigans. Footpads don't get a fast travel montage, and they were still being beat up when Wong left. How did they recover so quickly AND get there apparently before or exactly when Wong did AND know where he was going AND not have more scars/bruises than before they were beaten up, but rather looking quite the same amount of gruesome as when we first met them question mark

[Kurosen]

They are more beat up. It's subtle, but they've got cuts and bruises that weren't there before.

[Aldurin]

They're probably just there to apologize, "It would be the right thing to do."

[MSperoni]

I call shenanigans. Footpads don't get a fast travel montage, and they were still being beat up when Wong left. How did they recover so quickly AND get there apparently before or exactly when Wong did AND know where he was going AND not have more scars/bruises than before they were beaten up, but rather looking quite the same amount of gruesome as when we first met them question mark


1. They're more beat up, they have red marks and bruises, look at Baldy's face along his nose where Wong kicked him, it's got a noticeable scuff mark on it.

2. They're native to the area, probably knew the lay of the land/shortcuts. Wong followed the road, perhaps they didn't. Also Wong was walking, perhaps they ran.

3. Recovered so quickly: look at them. They don't look like pussies. For all we know the moment Wong was out of sight they instantly recovered, murderlized the pedestrians and plotted a way to track/gang up on Wong later.

4. They probably saw Wong enter the place/were trailing him.

5. We don't know who these footpads are. Many seedy thief type folks are affiliated w/ a guild or smarmy criminal underbelly of random city. Perhaps they have connections to people in the city and were tipped off when Wong entered the town.

Doesn't seem like much shenanigans to me. Calling shenaningans when there aren't any is Southpark reference.

[Kirbyslaboratory]

They're probably just there to apologize, "It would be the right thing to do."

Yes, and they are there to pay for his house special too.

[Aldurin]

Today's is just one of those suspense pages. Wong is probably gonna kick their asses again on Friday.

[MSperoni]

Someone's gonna get their asses kicked on Friday, I can say that much.

[Green Spanner]

Fair fight FTW!

[Jindra34]

These guy's seem stupidly persistant. And I so not believe I see a 'fair' fight. 4 on 1 with element of suprise is farm from fair. Either way.

[Eldezar]

Doesn't seem like much shenanigans to me. Calling shenaningans when there aren't any is Southpark reference.

My reasons for posting exactly, though I admit I did not notice the extra cuts and bruises and was at first skeptical on that part. The rest I understood as entirely plausible.

[Great Cartoonist]

It's only a fair fight because his arms are restrained.

[Tryxx]

This may be a silly question. I'm assuming these guys are a type of "gang", so I have to ask - is the injury to the left eye a requirement for joining? That would be hardcore.

[MSperoni]

well, I didn't have anything specific in mind about their backstory, but I did give them that left eye gimmick and the yellow outfits hoping that it'd make readers draw their own conclusions.

Maybe down the road it will be revealed if it's an initiation thing or a coincidence, or maybe the most popular interpretation will be the one we stick with, I dunno :)

For now it's just a "thing" with 'em and you're free to make it up for yourself as to why they're that way ^_^

[Meister]

I kinda imagine them all sitting together around the campfire after a hard day's bandit work when one of them looks up, looks around at everyone, softly says "holy shit", they all look at him questioningly and he goes "guys I seriously don't know how we never noticed this before but holy shit this is going to blow your minds, listen..."

[Derp]

The faceless dudes in panel 1 (comic 41) kind of stuck out to me. Maybe they were too close to the camera for that to really work?

Thanks for updating at a respectable clip, by the way. I'm really enjoying this.

[Tryxx]

well, I didn't have anything specific in mind about their backstory, but I did give them that left eye gimmick and the yellow outfits hoping that it'd make readers draw their own conclusions.

Maybe down the road it will be revealed if it's an initiation thing or a coincidence, or maybe the most popular interpretation will be the one we stick with, I dunno :)

For now it's just a "thing" with 'em and you're free to make it up for yourself as to why they're that way ^_^

I'm going with my original post then... that or failed pirates. How close are we to the coast? Or I suppose they could be river pirates. :p

[voodooKobra]

I'm totally digging the color pages. :)

[Hetsurin]

...he should've ordered the Chef's Choice.

[MSperoni]

You never know, that might have been worse. What if the Chef's Choice was somehow Master Fei?

[Arhra]

Those guys don't have any idea of what a fair fight is!

Probably need at least twice that many guys to be even remotely fair.

Except to the audience, of course.

[Sithdarth]

Either the bystanders were so shocked their faces blurred with surprise or the shear awesomeness of Wong melts the faces off normal people.

[AwayAway]

The thugs seem to be intended to be Yellow Turbans. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Turban_Rebellion)

[GrandMasterPlanetEater]

Of course it wasn't a fair fight before. He had those tough-looking peasants to help him.

[cwDeici]

Maybe he let them throw him out so there wouldn't be property damage. He doesn't seem to be completely in control though, but he's probably just taking his time and/or looking for an opening.


And, as long as we're counting irrational rules for equality in combat power not grounded in basic human values, those bandits outnumber him by quite a few.

However since they understand that he is a martial artist they are quite likely referring to his element of surprise earlier, which they had possibly gained.

If they are taking their surprise into account then they perhaps think little of themselves.

[Tryxx]

Not sure why I didn't notice before, but it looks to me that while they're holding Wong down his right hand is preparing for some Mantis Fist action. Also, from the art it seems like they've grabbed high enough on his arms for him to move his elbows. I foresee Wong using leverage from his knees, back-flipping out and over his captures, and then hopefully comically busting heads together. :D

[Derp]

the shear awesomeness of Wong melts the faces off normal people.

That makes sense.

[Tryxx]

Really, really digging the detail in today's comic. And I'm anxiously waiting for Wong to kick some more butt... this is just painful to see. :(

I'm just wondering what Master Fei would say about Wong letting himself get caught in this situation. :p

[Green Spanner]

So totally fair you guys.

Also, yeah. The detail in this one is great.

[MSperoni]

Looking forward to Monday! XD

[Aldurin]

That is obviously that one thug's fantasy of beating up Wong. Monday will show the thought bubble burst as Wong breaks his face (again).

And Wong needs a new master, preferably Chuck Norris.

[deimon]

the shear awesomeness of Wong melts the faces off normal people.

That makes sense.

I guess that gives him a one up on Chuck Norris he has to fart for this to happen

[Loyal]

Wong's likely thinking of how much more efficiently Fei would have punched him in the face in this comic.

And how the hell did Chuck Norris get in here?

[Tev]

Hello hot red chick that kicks high......

[Green Spanner]

Looking forward to Monday! XD

You and your ladies :P

[KillBill]

Ooh, new character, nice one :P Looks like she's Wong's age, wasn't expecting that. Maybe a bit like Katara is to Aang :P

Oh, and your art is getting near-perfect. First and last panel look pretty much as good as I can imagine. (Not a fan of the hat, but then I prefer hot girls without clothes on at all :P)

[bobfish]

I have no idea who this new girl is supposed to be, but I like her. Especially her willingness to use Wong's head as a support.

[Captain Boom]

Don't know, using a head that's being beat up as a support. Don't know about that.

Also she looks like a female version of Wong to me. Especially the face.

[cwDeici]

Told you guys he was in trouble.

[Kim]

I totally called this. :cool:

[MSperoni]

Yes you did! (on Facebook)

Last second saves by girls seems to be a theme in nuklearpower.comics lately :)


btw: her name is Fang Lin (I figured I'd drop that for Sardapedia/curiosity purposes, not like it's much of a spoiler or anything :p)

[KillBill]

Also she looks like a female version of Wong to me. Especially the face.

If a female me was that hot, I'd still go for her.

[Ggolbez]

$20 says she's the daughter of one of the 5 dragons.

[MSperoni]

You and your ladies :P

Yes, I like lady characters. Still, despite Fang Lin's neatness, my favorite females will and forever always be the three on my signature here.. Especially the middle one (They're characters purely of my own creation).


If a female me was that hot, I'd still go for her.

Assuming she isn't your twin-sister..right? :sweatdrop


As for Fang being a daughter of one of the 5 Dragons? Y' got me. I'm not sure on that one :p (and if I was I couldn't tell anyway ^_^)

[Aldurin]

Check out who's gonna be Wong's new girlfriend!!

[Hetsurin]

Looking back at the picture of the 5 Dragons, this new girl looks like she could be related to the 2nd one from the left, just with longer hair.

But then again all Chinese/Japanese/wherever-this-is-taking-place women look alike to me...

[Green Spanner]

But then again all Chinese/Japanese/wherever-this-is-taking-place women look alike to me...

Racist!

[Hetsurin]

Racist!

You are mistaken.

[MSperoni]

Check out who's gonna be Wong's new girlfriend!!

After the bomb Brian dropped in 8-bit, I can't believe people are still thinking they can predict his design! :D

Even if it IS predictable, it's only predictable at the moment and only because he wants you to predict it.. He's like the Dr. Doom of writers.. If you figure him out it's only cos he wants you to because it furthers his overall unpredictable writing scheme.

And I'm also helping out more than just a bit with the writing (mainly as Junior Dreamweaver) and I'm a few biscuits short of a dozen. It's like Dr.Doom being supported by the Joker.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I will assume that the girl is going to kill him then.

I don't care what happens next, or what happens in the future. I will adamantly hold true to the theory that she is out to kill him for the entire series. Everything that happens to Wong from here on out is her doing no matter what. Good or bad. It is all part of her nefarious and over-complicated plot to kill Wong.

[MSperoni]

..or is it?

[stefan]

that hat is ridiculous.

[MSperoni]

hahahahahah no


I think it's cute so it's staying on her at least for awhile. I'm not one to keep costumes always the same though...except for Fei. I think Fei will always wear the same thing. Assuming he's ever in it again.

[KillBill]

Assuming he's ever in it again.

Please don't make Wong naked :P

But with the woman it'd be okay. There should be a show or comic where one woman is naked the entire time. No explanation for it, just naked always. In my head it's already the best show or comic ever.

[MSperoni]

Julia seems to be naked almost constantly in the novel 1984.. also in the film I think. However I've never seen the movie.

And that's one of the best stories ever written (so they say and I would agree, but I haven't read every story ever written so I guess I can't really say for sure. It's one of the best I've ever read, that's definite.)

However you won't see any of that stuff here, as far as I know.

[Aldurin]

However you won't see any of that stuff here, as far as I know.

Damn you!! Damn you and Brian to become part of the Light Warriors and be stabbed on a daily basis!! You so deserve it!!

[MSperoni]

if we were a part of the Light Warriors the odds of us endorsing gratuitous nudity would be much higher I would think (particularly if we were anyone but Fighter).

[Bard The 5th LW]

..or is it?

Not in my mind.

And Fei better appear again. If Wong ever falls into a Heroic BSOD, who better than his jackasss mentor to break him out of it? Although Wong doesn't seem like the kind of guy to ever have one of those so far. I mostly just like Fei. He sort of reminds me of my 5th grade teacher.

[MSperoni]

what's "BSOD"?


That musta been one badass teacher you had in 5th grade.

[phil_]

what's "BSOD"?http://www.our-picks.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/blue_screen_of_death.gif

The heroic version should be pretty easy to derive.

[MSperoni]

ohhhh..for some reason I was thinking the "D" in that meant like "Disorder". Y'know the kind that they like doing to superheroes nowadays that turns them into alcoholics, drug addicts, or pedophiles (or all three).

I figured it had something to do w/ a psychological meltdown though :)

[Loyal]

It's nice that even when he's out of Fei's hair, Wong is still a chewtoy.

[Arhra]

that hat is ridiculous.

No, your FACE is ridiculous.

That hat is wondrous!

The girl accompanying it seems a decent sort too. I like the hair.

Hmm, it was ridiculous of me to have assumed the plucky young hero would already know I Don't Know What It's Like To Hit A Man Twice Style.

That's a thing for character development, Arhra! What were you thinking?

[MSperoni]

Well Wong has yet to hit someone twice, so maybe he's on his way to mastering it afterall!

Fang's Wondrous Hat of +1 Ass Kicking!

I usually wear those kinda hats (not +1 hats of ass kicking, but just those kinda stocking caps in general). The little stripes on her hat mean..erm.. well, we'll have to wait on that one ;)

[Ashbourne]

I assume Bandit Bignose was holding his punches. If he used all of that arm muscle Wong's head would have flown clean off.

[Greenjolt]

lol love this strip. big guy rearing up all of a sudden a babe with chun-le's legs hops over main character and kicks the day lights out of big guy

[Lemarc]

That head grab is just plain inconsiderate. I'm guessing they might already know each other, because doing that to a stranger is flat-out rude.

[bobfish]

Lin=red
Mario=red
Wong=green
Luigi=green
Thugs=yellow
Wario=yellow
Coincidence? I think not!

[MSperoni]

dun dun duun

Link = Green also

HIKYM needs a Pink person or group and a Blue person or group now. I guess if one day we have "wimpy princess type" to serve as a foil for Fang Lin, she can be in pink. Or "wimpy but secretly deadly" princess type..

I was thinking of having blue (particularly dark blue) be the sorta lawful evil bad guy color. But I'm not sure. I don't think I'd rather have an absolute color system like that because, what if I wanted to draw a good guy in blue one day?

[Tryxx]

I kind of figured that we're seeing mostly 'earth' tones due to the timeline of the comic, and the pigments actually available to the general populace. I guess that may be out of place considering red is still one of the most expensive pigments to re-create... Nevertheless - happy about the new character.

Even if it IS predictable, it's only predictable at the moment and only because he wants you to predict it.. He's like the Dr. Doom of writers.. If you figure him out it's only cos he wants you to because it furthers his overall unpredictable writing scheme.

And I'm also helping out more than just a bit with the writing (mainly as Junior Dreamweaver) and I'm a few biscuits short of a dozen. It's like Dr.Doom being supported by the Joker.

Too lazy to look it up at the moment, but Brian is most definitely not Dr. Doom, but Batman! There's a dialogue between RM and BM in the 8-bit archives that I think proves my point. (Rather inebriated at the moment, so if this actually spells the opposite - meh.)

EDIT:

P.S. Make Friday happen already. (Payday + new HIKYM = awesome)

[Hetsurin]

That head grab is just plain inconsiderate. I'm guessing they might already know each other, because doing that to a stranger is flat-out rude.

Considering she's saving him from 4 thugs out for blood I think he would find a way to forgive her.

[minadin]

Lin=red
Mario=red
Wong=green
Luigi=green
Thugs=yellow
Wario=yellow
Coincidence? I think not!

In the final panel of the comic, they will all merge into some sort of crazy organic martial arts version of Voltron.

[MSperoni]

Isn't that kinda what the Divine Fist of the Unconquerable Sky is? A forming of parts into one superior whole?

Also each style corresponds to an element, and therefore a color, of Wu Xing. Fang Lin being dressed in red has more to do than just me thinking "that'd look purdy". That being said, DFUS is a style formed of parts which can be symbolized via colors (green, red, yellow, white, and black).

Although the bandits being in yellow really had nothing to do w/ Wu Xing that I know of.. I just wanted to compare them to the Yellow Turbans, even though by this point in history (I still consider this to be set in the Ming Dynasty despite Brian's desire for an undefined historical setting :p) the Yellow Turbans were pretty much long gone.

[Kurosen]

It can be Ming-ish.

[Lemarc]

Considering she's saving him from 4 thugs out for blood I think he would find a way to forgive her.

I'm just saying. Risk of whiplash. That's potential lawsuit material.

[MSperoni]

It can be Ming-ish.

Yay!

Thing is, despite my little "Hey it's the Ming Dynasty!" claim, I really haven't studied what Ming Dynasty costume and stuff looks like so I haven't drawn it that way.. So I guess I don't have much of a leg to stand on in regards to historical accuracy visually speaking.

Just as a very general frame of reference I use Ming as a base, sorta like Wu Xing or the martial arts we choose for the comic (I assume).

[Green Spanner]

Yay!

Thing is, despite my little "Hey it's the Ming Dynasty!" claim, I really haven't studied what Ming Dynasty costume and stuff looks like so I haven't drawn it that way.. So I guess I don't have much of a leg to stand on in regards to historical accuracy visually speaking.

Just as a very general frame of reference I use Ming as a base, sorta like Wu Xing or the martial arts we choose for the comic (I assume).

Just use the 'parallel universe' defence. Then nobody can complain when things aren't historically accurate.

Or, y'know, remind them that it's a comic, and that they should really relax.

Not that anybody is getting bent out of shape about it...

[MSperoni]

Parallel Universes are always good for explaining your way out of a jam. Although instead I think I'll just go with the "It's Old Wong's story and he's a probably senile old man and isn't getting the details right" defense :)

Y'know, he's like 80 gazillion years old and I doubt can remember who wore what or what someone's face looked like or all the details of buildings, etc.

[Green Spanner]

Parallel Universes are always good for explaining your way out of a jam. Although instead I think I'll just go with the "It's Old Wong's story and he's a probably senile old man and isn't getting the details right" defense :)

Y'know, he's like 80 gazillion years old and I doubt can remember who wore what or what someone's face looked like or all the details of buildings, etc.

Ah, the 'unreliable narrator': a fine way of handwaving inconsistencies :)

[Aldurin]

How did we get to parallel universe theories? This is HIKYM, not 8-bit.

As a side note: Matt, holy shit, change your avatar before someone craps themself when they come to this thread. That's worse than typing in caps.

[MSperoni]

No way! I'm keeping Dr. Sanchez as he is (for now). I might change it to a pick of Fang Lin here soon tho, but I'm not sure.

[ArtisticMystic]

I didn't have the internet for about three months and just got it back yesterday. I'm glad to be back on board, because I sure missed this story. To my surprise the new pages are in color...Nice change of atmosphere...I also like how the author lets the imagery tell a lot of the story...a sign of maturity in that he's not trying to show off by filling every panel with dialogue or narration...

[MSperoni]

Or he's just fuggin' lazy and sadistic and enjoys my toil! *shakes fist*

[KillBill]

Or he's just fuggin' lazy and sadistic and enjoys my toil! *shakes fist*

That would explain why he's been tweeting but not uploading your page for today. But I'm assuming there isn't one for today.

[MSperoni]

Yeah I think there's just not one today. But there should be one Monday.

[Kurosen]

Still waiting for letters from Jeff.

[Aldurin]

Still waiting for letters from Jeff.

Sure, blame it on someone else.

[MSperoni]

It's the American Way.

[rpgdemon]

It's the American Way.

*Whisper whisper whisper*

"Oh! Ahem! It's the British way!"

(Bonus if anyone gets the reference.)

[Kurosen]

Turns out I forgot there's no words on page 44. Well, almost.

[Aldurin]

Turns out I forgot there's no words on page 44. Well, almost.

I knew it was your fault!!

[MSperoni]

If the characters spoke in sign language then we wouldn't be having this kind of delay w/ the lettering.

[Tryxx]

...do you speak sign language and actually know it enough to illustrate it?

[MSperoni]

nope! :D

[struktured]

While I still don't feel obsessed with these characters yet like I do on 8 bit theater, these drawings are absolutely fantastic. With this latest comic, they do an excellent job depicting a beautiful, strong woman with extraordinary visual detail, yet NOT stereotyping the whole female warrior thing.

You can also tell significant effort is spent on making all the martial elements interesting and in the same spirit as real life ones.

[MSperoni]

"artistS"? nope nope. I wish I had some help sometimes, but so far it's just me doing all the art all by myself w/ no assistants :)

Thanks for the comments though all the same! :D

[struktured]

I stand corrected- one artist. Another thing I forgot to mention is the facial detail and expressions are quite good as well (whether by depicting someone's inflicted pain in a comical fashion, or just to succinctly sum up a character's personality)

[Aldurin]

I specifically like how you left the "scars" or pencil marks slightly visible on the thugs. It makes them look like they came from the scrap pile of your art just like how real thugs come from the scrap pile of society.

[MSperoni]

The newest page isn't showing up on the main page for me yet, but it's on the site: http://www.nuklearpower.com/2010/03/01/how-i-killed-your-master-044/

[Green Spanner]

The newest page isn't showing up on the main page for me yet, but it's on the site: http://www.nuklearpower.com/2010/03/01/how-i-killed-your-master-044/

You probably enjoyed drawing that page as much as I'm enjoying looking at it :)

[MSperoni]

I do like drawing Fang Lin :)

These pages aren't exactly accurate though, Fang Lin now has blue eyes, I sent Brian the updated versions of pages 43 onward, but I guess they haven't been altered yet. I'm sure they'll be switched around soon though.

I say that now instead of later because if they haven't been updated on the site by page 46 (the page where I decided Fang should have blue eyes), the sudden change may jar people. Though if they aren't updated it might be a nerdy trivia tidbit. "Did you know she originally had dark eyes?" ^_^

[Green Spanner]

I do like drawing Fang Lin :)

These pages aren't exactly accurate though, Fang Lin now has blue eyes, I sent Brian the updated versions of pages 43 onward, but I guess they haven't been altered yet. I'm sure they'll be switched around soon though.

I say that now instead of later because if they haven't been updated on the site by page 46 (the page where I decided Fang should have blue eyes), the sudden change may jar people. Though if they aren't updated it might be a nerdy trivia tidbit. "Did you know she originally had dark eyes?" ^_^

Fang Lin always had blue eyes.

Same as Thief always wore black.

[randomhuman]

woot for strong hotties!

[rpgdemon]

So, here's a question: Can I take any credit at all for you deciding to do stuff in color? You know, after seeing the colored versions of your stuff that I did? :P I like to feel important.

[Aldurin]

That chick has to be on steroids to be that buff. No question about it.

[ArtisticMystic]

If Liu Wong's jaw still works he should definitely mouth the words..."thank you" to Fang Lin for saving him from further injury. I like her confidence and enthusiasm...looks like it matches his...

[Tryxx]

Alright, Matt, sorry for this... if I ever had to critique the comic in the negative light, it'd be now. The art is still superb - but I feel it's missing something. I know a few weeks earlier you talked about minimizing the movement and speed lines, but I think they're necessary in this scene (particularly in panels 2 and 3). I can know and understand the movement in action that's supposed to be occurring in the comic, but in this specific instance the page feels incomplete without them.

On a positive note, Fang Lin is awesome, and it's amazing what one line of dialogue can do to develop a character!

[Bard The 5th LW]

On a positive note, Fang Lin is awesome, and it's amazing what one line of dialogue can do to develop a character!

Yes, and that line makes her intentions to kill Wong even clearer.

OK I actually have some support for the theory this time. Calling them Scavengers seems to imply that she considered Wong dead. As in she plans on killing Wong.

I don't care how far that may be stretching things, I'm still rolling with that theory. Fang Lin is out for the kill, and her bloodlust will never be satisfied.

[Solid Snake]

HIKYM has quickly ascended into becoming my new favorite thing at Nuklearpower.com.

My one hope -- not really a criticism at all, but just a hope -- is that the plot continues to develop. Action sequences never work quite as well for me in comic form, and I'd love myself a few 8BT style updates with dialogue and character development to sweeten the experience.

I suspect this'll be going in that direction soon enough. Even if it doesn't, the artwork is so darned beautiful, I won't particularly mind.

Also: tomboys are awesome and thus this new girl is also awesome. (Even if she turns out to be an antagonist, I'll be rooting for her.)
(But I will say that I just really hope there's never a point in this storyline where she ends up getting captured and the main character has to rescue her.)

[MSperoni]

So, here's a question: Can I take any credit at all for you deciding to do stuff in color? You know, after seeing the colored versions of your stuff that I did? :P I like to feel important.

You can TAKE credit for it if you want, but I don't know if I can GIVE you credit for it :)



(particularly in panels 2 and 3).

Well, panel 3 does have speed lines. They're faint, but they're there. Panel 2 was going to have them, as well as a more detailed background, but I screwed up and...erm.. well the way I put the speed lines in requires the image to be a certain way using layers, and I wasn't thinking and merged it too fast and then saved it and then closed it, thereby deleting my undo potential. I was pretty annoyed.




Also: tomboys are awesome and thus this new girl is also awesome. (Even if she turns out to be an antagonist, I'll be rooting for her.)
(But I will say that I just really hope there's never a point in this storyline where she ends up getting captured and the main character has to rescue her.)

Yes tomboy girls are awesome ^_^ (as we agree on via our AIM talks!) and don't worry, if there is a point in the story where she gets captured and it's up to Wong to save her, it won't be because she's too wimpy. The only way I think it would happen would be if she gets captured like because she picks a fight w/ like 30 people or gets caught trying to help someone. I mean, there are points where even Solid Snake gets captured :)

[rpgdemon]

Totally taking credit then. :P

And you don't save the flattened version as a copy?

[Tryxx]

Yes, and that line makes her intentions to kill Wong even clearer.

OK I actually have some support for the theory this time. Calling them Scavengers seems to imply that she considered Wong dead. As in she plans on killing Wong.

I don't care how far that may be stretching things, I'm still rolling with that theory. Fang Lin is out for the kill, and her bloodlust will never be satisfied.

For the moment I'm just picturing witty, sarcastic, romantic banter caused by Wong trying to convince her that he's actually a rather competent fighter. (Assuming she doesn't know who he is already.)


Well, panel 3 does have speed lines. They're faint, but they're there. Panel 2 was going to have them, as well as a more detailed background, but I screwed up and...erm.. well the way I put the speed lines in requires the image to be a certain way using layers, and I wasn't thinking and merged it too fast and then saved it and then closed it, thereby deleting my undo potential. I was pretty annoyed.

All is forgiven! I think we've all experienced that in some fashion.

<Off topic>
P.S.
Less Fallout 3 - more emailing about commissions! :p
</Off topic>

[MSperoni]

<Off topic>
P.S.
Less Fallout 3 - more emailing about commissions! :p
</Off topic>

I'm gettin' there! Actually the delay has been HIKYM and other commission related, sorry :p

(I figured if the delay was partially related to HIKYM you wouldn't mind all that much)

[Tryxx]

I'm gettin' there! Actually the delay has been HIKYM and other commission related, sorry :p

(I figured if the delay was partially related to HIKYM you wouldn't mind all that much)

I still don't mind - work is work, and money is money. Good sense of priorities. Plus, I still have something I like to see posted on the internet for my entertainment. S'all good.

[KillBill]

You know, I was looking at the last couple pages again and realized it's the best lookin stuff of anything on the site. It's still got a couple of those minor "width of a hair off" kinda issues but if you completed the whole series, then redid the first 50 pages or so (in part because of the coloring inconsistancy), it'd be about the easiest thing in the world to sell as comic books on the shelves, and few people would think anything less than "looks like another great work from DC" or whatever.

[voodooKobra]

Latest update is broken. :(

[Kurosen]

No it's not.

[MSperoni]

It's broken for me too!

[Maugchief]

Update link seems to be broken. The thumbnail links to page 44. The link in the 'Some Stuff That Was Said' section goes to the link below which is giving me a "page not found" notice.

http://www.nuklearpower.com/2010/03/05/how-i-killed-your-master-045/

[Random Ninja]

That is one tall ass Asian lady.

Also, I didn't know you could blush through bruises...or is that more of a face darkened look of disgust/unhappiness?

[MSperoni]

Wong is also a little shorter than average. Plus Fang may not be entirely Asian, she has blue eyes (just not in these last few pages cos they haven't been switched w/ the updated versions yet)

[Random Ninja]

Well I dunno if that's much evidence.

As much as I like Brian, I dunno if he'd be above doing the whole 'Non-brown eyed Asian' thing just for aesthetics .

[Kurosen]

So, can those who couldn't see it before see it now?

[Lemarc]

Hah, I knew it.

[Maugchief]

So, can those who couldn't see it before see it now?
Yes. Much appreciated.

[Kurosen]

No need to thank me, nothing changed.

[ArtisticMystic]

I think the bandit laying so peacefully in front of Fang Lin in panel 1 is hilarious! Now that's what I call "knocked the f%*k out"! As far as Wong and Lin...a moment of recognition, then awkwardness...

[Stormlock]

Arranged marriage that was dodged maybe?

[Kim]

Her outfit reminds me of Ken, from Street Fighter. Also, I'm thinking there'll probably not be a real romantic subplot between these two, though I could be wrong.

[Random Ninja]

Well is it a blush or something else? 'cause when you bruise, all the blood rushes to the affected skin, right? Can a blush make MORE blood rush there? XD

[Green Spanner]

Next comic will be a series of awkward beat panels with no dialogue.

Cue much chewing of lips and shuffling of feet.

[Tev]

Maybe they'll go out for tea?

[KillBill]

He gonna date a taller girl?

[Tev]

I'm pretty sure they are not going to "date" as much as be "mild crushes" of eachother.

[Aldurin]

So Fang Lin is Wong's former girlfriend who got pregnant and had to get an abortion while Wong ran away. This totally confirms the theory of she's out to kill Wong, no matter what.

At least that's what I read from the expressions.

[MSperoni]

He gonna date a taller girl?

He doesn't date her she dates him.


(assuming they do end up in a relationship. I'm not saying one way or the other because I don't really know :p......... or do I?)

[Arhra]

Every expression Fang Lin has in this page is wonderful.

I think panel four's my favourite.

[Tryxx]

For the moment I'm just picturing witty, sarcastic, romantic banter caused by Wong trying to convince her that he's actually a rather competent fighter. (Assuming she doesn't know who he is already.)


I like standing thoroughly defeated. This development is much more interesting. Also, the actually drawn sweat drop at the end made me laugh out loud longer than was probably deemed necessary.

[Captain Boom]

I bet she beats Wong's ass for being beaten up so easily.

[Bisected8]

I bet she'll turn out to be an imposter.

Well not really. I just haven't said anything on these forums in a while.

[MSperoni]

She's an impostor of herself?

[Aldurin]

She's an impostor of herself?

Unlikely, she's obviously a terminator sent back in time to kill Wong's father and now Wong himself. Primary objectives were set aside out of boredom during her search, that's why she saved him. Soon she'll remember her programming and Kung Fu the shit out of Wong.

EDIT: Besides, women just don't get that buff, it's obviously a body mass miscalculation from the future cyborg factory.

[MSperoni]

Besides, women just don't get that buff

Tsk! I must say that you're wrong. She's pretty normal for an athletic type (ever watch women's basketball or tennis, or look at women's MMA fighters?). Plus I've said before I've based her off a model. Someone with an athletic build (though Fang Lin is slightly more "cut" ) Fang Lin's muscular, but that's hardly unrealistic compared to the way it is in other places (like Dead or Alive nonsense). It's not like she looks like Chyna or anything (if someone's powers of observation are so poor they think Fang Lin looks like Chyna then they probably shouldn't be out driving or anything because they're fuggin blind).

In any case.. based on what I have observed about athletic women (and my powers of observation are quite acute when it comes to stuff like this) Fang Lin is pretty much ordinary build wise -- athletically speaking that is.

For all you nerds who never watch sports: Fang Lin's video game equivalent I suppose could be Vanessa from Virtua Fighter 5 (or 4 I guess). ;) :D

[Aldurin]

Tsk! I must say that you're wrong. She's pretty normal for an athletic type (ever watch women's basketball or tennis, or look at women's MMA fighters?). Plus I've said before I've based her off a model. Someone with an athletic build (though Fang Lin is slightly more "cut" ) Fang Lin's muscular, but that's hardly unrealistic compared to the way it is in other places (like Dead or Alive nonsense). It's not like she looks like Chyna or anything (if someone's powers of observation are so poor they think Fang Lin looks like Chyna then they probably shouldn't be out driving or anything because they're fuggin blind).

In any case.. based on what I have observed about athletic women (and my powers of observation are quite acute when it comes to stuff like this) Fang Lin is pretty much ordinary build wise -- athletically speaking that is.

For all you nerds who never watch sports: Fang Lin's video game equivalent I suppose could be Vanessa from Virtua Fighter 5 (or 4 I guess). ;) :D

The flaw in your argument is that steriods weren't perfected back during this time period. And given how old she looks (early 20's at the most) she would have had to sacrifice her sanity to lift bamboo piles all day long for that part of her life (her anguish of missing all of those parties with the "fermented herb juice" would make her a spychotic killer, not a sane helpful ass-kicker).

The argument that she's a faulty Terminator is the best fit (it would also explain past relationship and why Wong broke up with her. I could so imagine the conversation.
"Holy Shit, Fang. When were you gonna tell me you were a killer robot."
"But Wong, don't you still love me?"
"No, I'm too creeped out to love anything anymore. I'm gonna go beat up some bandits on the country road and go have some dinner in town. That should be helpful for me.")

[MSperoni]

Yes but you forget this is just a comic and pretend/fantasy. Chan wouldn't be able to punch down doors, Fei wouldn't have Impossible Fists, and those bandits wouldn't be that buff either. So for Fang Lin to have an anachronistic body-type is nothing that shouldn't be expected or out of place.

Fang Lin's body type is based on normal athletic body types of this time period. Body types which, despite what you may think, don't need steroids for their achievement. However they might need modern fitness equipment and dietary programs, however I'm ignoring that because I don't care about it (as I said anachronistic body types mean nothing to me, if they did Chan wouldn't look the way he does. Also Fei is pretty beefy as well).

So erm.. there is no flaw in my argument aside from her body type being anachronistic. I'm just going by basic life observation of present day female athletes.

This seems to be heading towards one of those stupid "debates" that go nowhere so I'm not going to type anything more about it. However I will drop a name: Candace Parker (she's 23 -- she's also 6' 4" and Fang isn't nearly that tall but then again I'm just kinda flubbing some details here. Also Fang Lin isn't 100% based directly off her either)

[rpgdemon]

I think you're being trolled. :P

Rather, you're thinking that Earl's being serious, and it seems he isn't.

[MSperoni]

That's why I said I wasn't gonna type any more about it :p

I was mainly just trying to point out that Fang Lin isn't as big of a stretch in the imagination as she might seem.

[Bisected8]

She's an impostor of herself?

Yes, because of...amnesia!

[Aldurin]

Rather, you're thinking that Earl's being serious, and it seems he isn't.

Only depends on how well the debate goes, I'll (s)crap it if it dies at birth (like this one) but if I get good reactions then this goes full scale.

[MSperoni]

New HIKYM! http://www.nuklearpower.com/2010/03/12/how-i-killed-your-master-046/


Yes, we're aware of the typo w/ Wong saying there were "5" bandits when there were only "4" .. It will be fixed. He's not stupid, it's just a slight mess up in the script. So you don't have to constantly point that out :p

(and it might make for a good 'trivia' thing on Sardapedia one day)

[Tev]

Maybe he got hit too much in the head and remembers there being five?

[MSperoni]

Nope, it's just a small mistake in the script. I guess you can pretend that's the case if you want though..

[bobfish]

"Your argument is invalid. There weren't 100, there were 4"

[Green Spanner]

Hooray for backstory that will be steadily revealed as the narrative progresses!

If he beats her, does he gain her style ala Mega man?

[Captain Boom]

I reckon Wong would have found a way to fight back.

Also no. He doesn't get her style ala Mega man. He gets her style ala Kirby.

[Solid Snake]

Oh, Matt Speroni, how I adore thee and your beautiful artwork.

*(drools over Fang)*

[Tev]

If he beats her, does he gain her style ala Mega man?
No, we talked about this. This is more of a Highlander (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRQHOc2gS-M) story.

[Captain Boom]

The Quickening? I don't see any swords though.

[Tev]

Not the Quickening, the Fisti.....you know what, maybe that was a bad analogy...

[Aldurin]

Wong obviously gains her skill one way: When Fang dies her remains will transform into some kind of equipment that heavily boosts the stat of that style (Ultimate Tiger Hat, maybe? With +500 to Tiger Fist skill.

[Captain Boom]

Do you mean like this tiger hat?

[Solid Snake]

You're all fools.
Clearly, if Wong challenges Fang at anything, Fang is going to win.

[Domestibot]

Hmmm... did Fang's eye colour also change from Brown to Blue between this page and the last, or is that all my imagination?

[Art of Hilt]

The Tiger Knuckle School maintains a unique brand of mathematics.

[Green Spanner]

Hmmm... did Fang's eye colour also change from Brown to Blue between this page and the last, or is that all my imagination?

Fang's eye were always blue...

Totally.

[Greenjolt]

hahahaha fang just extends her arm out to pretty much say "i am a beastly fighter! you are stupid and weak."

[Aldurin]

I just noticed that she looked a little less buff than she did two pages ago . . .

Did Matt take me seriously on the "she's too buff" argument, or is part of the tiger style being able to make your arms expand in the middle of combat?

[MSperoni]

Did Matt take me seriously on the "she's too buff" argument?

Nope. Page 46 was drawn before you posted that in the thread.

[Aldurin]

Nope. Page 46 was drawn before you posted that in the thread.

Good to know.

[Kurosen]

These pages were drawn a week ago or more. It's a coincidence.

[rpgdemon]

Fang's eye were always blue...

Totally.

And Thief was never red.

[MSperoni]

Fang's eyes being blue is helpful to explain why she's taller than your average Chinese person. Keep in mind also Wong is shorter than average so she looks even taller next to him (and him shorter).

I haven't done much research on it so I'm just shooting in the dark here, but I expect that by this time Europeans had traveled to China so for her to have some of the blood in her is possible. Even if unlikely. But the point is that it's possible..

(I think :p )

[Bisected8]

Well technically eye colour is a non-Mendelian characteristic (i.e. a little too complicated to be expressed as dominant, recessive or co-dominant alleles) and blue eyes (all blue eyes) originated as a genetic mutation from brown eyes, and that's not taking into account environmental effects (for example damage to the eyes can cause permanent changes in eye colour) so it's possible that she could inherit them (or simply have an approximation of them from environmental factors) without a single ancestor from outside the Asian continent.

...but that's unlikely so I'm just splitting hairs.

[CABAL49]

Right now I just can't stop thinking about Big Trouble in Little China. You know..green eyed
Chinese women...

[GrandMasterPlanetEater]

Wong's pose in the last frame makes me think he should be holding a helium balloon on a string in his right hand and a puppy on a leash in his left.

[bobfish]

"That's right. I was the one who beat them senseless"
Awesome burn.

[Tree]

Wong's pose in the last frame makes me think he should be holding a helium balloon on a string in his right hand and a puppy on a leash in his left.

He totally wanted you to imagine that.
It was all planned <_<

[Ratmonkey]

Wong's pose in the last frame makes me think he should be holding a helium balloon on a string in his right hand and a puppy on a leash in his left.

I just thought he was jazzercising.

[Captain Boom]

Fang beat them senseless just like Wong did the first time he met those yellow bandits. I'm sure the yellow bandits will challenge Fang to a "fair fight" sometime soon.

[Domestibot]

It seems like Fang is a girl-Robin Hood type. She helps out the poor (Or I guess the "helpless") and is wanted by the law for doing so.

Or maybe having blue eyes is illegal in Xiao Chengzhen.

On another note, her outfit, hair style, and all-around "beating senseless of opponents" kind of bear a similarity to Tsunade.

[Green Spanner]

Does Tiger Fist style include ''Run away! Run away!" or is that just Fang Lin?

[MSperoni]

On another note, her outfit, hair style, and all-around "beating senseless of opponents" kind of bear a similarity to Tsunade.

The only thing I think even comes close to Tsunade is "beating senseless" but then again I really haven't seen much of Naruto after the part where Naruto fought What's His Name (Hinata's brother or whatever) so I can't say for certain with her. I just kinda know what she looks like. At least in her initial appearance.

And in that case she doesn't look like Fang at all.. But maybe Tsunade dyed her hair black, changed the style of it almost completely, and started wearing red? Fang Lin's boobs aren't nearly as big either :p

[BigDemonicBunny]

Does Tiger Fist style include ''Run away! Run away!" or is that just Fang Lin?

No, that would be Fleeting Rabbit Style.

[Aldurin]

Just because the guards have spears makes them unbeatable? Haven't they played Assassin's Creed 2? It makes them even more easy to kill.

[Sithdarth]

I find it hilarious that Wong appears to be running like a girl while Fang has one of the manliest runs I have ever seen.

[Captain Boom]

I don't think Master Fei would be too happy with Wong's running, given all that running training he did.

I wonder if Po's warning will bear some significance.

What happened to the tea party? I want to see more tea action!

[MSperoni]

What's funny is that, because I have trouble drawing people running sometimes and due to deadline issues, I cut corners and used a model for Wong. And, it was Jet Li (a still from one of his movies).

(and for consistency sake I used him again in another panel later, and Wong also looks to be running like that. Or should I say, Jet Li looks to be running like that.)

Fang was based on someone too but someone running more ... clumsily. I figured that because Wong and Fang were trudging thru some guy's backyard, some guy who had animals, there was probably mud and shit all over the place so our Heroes weren't so much "running" but kinda stumbling or hopping or clomping along (you'd hate to spoil your kung fu shoes by stepping in donkey crap). Also Fang is looking backwards over her shoulder so I guess maybe that would make her not look very smooth (I mean, if you're looking over your shoulder you might be worried about smacking into a wall so you might run a little less gracefully in order to avoid that). Tho on Fang I moved her arms a bit to make her look a little more blocky and sturdy, whereas Wong looks more graceful (way to go Jet Li). Yet, I kinda wish I hadn't done that with Fang because of the small reaction it's gotten. It's a case of working myself into an error. Trying to do more than I needed, overthinking, etc.

However, on the next page Fang Lin looks a lot more graceful. Wong still looks kinda goofy, but it's on purpose. I think since Wong can run so fast he doesn't really have to try so he just kinda scurries or shuffles along at times..

Fang is the strong one, Wong is the fast one. Wong is the "Chun Li" so to speak :p Fang is Ryu :D (or Zangief ..that would piss her off though :p)

[Captain Boom]

It kinda looks like Wong's about to do a twirl in that last panel, now that I look at it properly. It looks as though Fang is more looking to her right, rather than looking over her shoulder.

Also I guess one would want to run away from the scene where 5... err I mean 4 guys were beaten and lying on the ground.

I don't think there's anything wrong with girls having muscle.

[Domestibot]

And in that case she doesn't look like Fang at all.. But maybe Tsunade dyed her hair black, changed the style of it almost completely, and started wearing red? Fang Lin's boobs aren't nearly as big either :p

Admittedly, I stopped with Naruto a few years ago as well, so I can't fault you there. The fifteen minutes of flashbacks per episode with the same tired formula of "don't give up, it's my ninja way!" Kinda did wear out its welcome.

Aside from colouration of things, though, the resemblance is quite uncanny. Fang wears her pigtails in the front, where Tsunade does the back. Tsunade also normally wears this jacket thing over her tunic, but she takes it off during fights, at which time her and Fang are nearly identical in attire (again, except for the colour.)

So yeah, seeing a pigtailed asskicker fly through the air and smash everyone's faces in with little effort was especially helpful for leading me to see the similarity.

But you're right on the boobs. :p

[MSperoni]

if Tsunade wore red, had a hat, pants and boots like Fang then yeah, but so far all you have is two different hair styles, two different outfits, and different colors on each. That's hardly uncanny.. Though I guess I could see that based on Fang's attitude and slightly similar design (very slight) that she could remind you of Tsunade.

But if all it takes is a hair style worn in a different way and a gi, then Ken Masters looks like Tsunade a bit. I mean, he has a gi too, and a ponytail (though not too but he DOES have blonde hair). And since his gi is red, he looks more like Fang?

Cammy also has two ponytails, does that mean she resembles Tsunade too? (dunno why I'm focusing on Street Fighter, maybe I subconsciously wanna play it or something).

ED: What I find funny is that you said she had a resemblance to someone from Naruto.. She does resemble SOMEONE from a series (and I did it somewhat on purpose and it has something to do with who Wong reminded me of).. Just no one's guessed..Then again people may not agree with me, and the resemblance isn't really spot on (tho it's closer than she is to Tsunade in my opinion). But.. ah well. Mum's the word for now!

ED part 2: Fang Lin is such a mutant. She's an amalgamation of two real life models, one of which is slightly anime'd up, AND a bit of a 'homage' to another comic character..

[Kurosen]

She's an art Frankenstein.

[MSperoni]

At least Wong's his own man :D


ED: Oh noes! There's a guy in the campy classic Kung Fu movie "The Guy with the Secret Kung Fu" who has two ponytails also, and they're on the sides of his head, just like Fang Lin's! *gasp*. That's not just uncanny but it's also astonishing. And incredible. And mighty. And suspenseful. And amazing. And spectacular. And web of. And..wait..

[Domestibot]

Whoa, holster those blazing guns, really, I mean you no harm. :P I'm sorry that I just happen to see Tsunade in someone who wears almost the same outfit, acts almost the same way, and has, yes, two pigtails of about the same length.

As someone who does art too, and makes frequent use of real-life models for inspiration, I totally know how you must feel when someone comes out of leftfield with some crazy comparison to something not even related to what inspired you, so... I find it odd that I subconsciously have done the same thing to you here. :P I guess people just automatically try and compare what they know to what they don't, to get an initial bearing for what they're seeing.

I never meant you any disrespect or anything. I know that they're two completely different characters, and it's not like anybody holds a patent on these kinds of traditional clothing/hairstyles. I like the character Fang Lin very much. She seems to bring out a new, fun element to Wong and the story that I never expected to see.

PS

I figured that I would add in as a little sidebar here, that despite her some-odd 4 pages of "screen time," I like her MUCH better than Tsunade. ;)

[MSperoni]

Hmm.. well I wasn't mad or anything. I was just teasing you :D

And overblowing the whole "debate" cos frankly sometimes I get a little bored sitting here drawing all day...:sweatdrop

I'm glad you're liking Fang Lin so far! Hopefully she will continue to be cool.

[KillBill]

You know what the funniest thing in the world would be :P
If Wong and Fang Lin get bizzay... Old man Wong will be telling the details to that guy who came to kill him :P

[MSperoni]

What would be fun(nier) in my opinion is if they DIDN'T get busy and Old Wong was telling a story as if they did, and Old Fang walked out and was like "WTF are you saying?!"

:D


Or Old Wong is like "Yeah, Fang Lin totally had the hots for me.." and says that about EVERY woman in the comic. Then later we find out he's full of crap.

[Domestibot]

Yeah, I hear ya there on the boredom. My stuff is hanging up in this cafe for a month, and I sit here everyday working on new stuff, all the while peddling myself out to anyone who even glances at the walls :P

Artist Pounce, I think it's called :p probably a kung fu technique. ;)

But secretly, I think I'm just looking for something to do to amuse myself. :sweatdrop