Ah, So Flavored Cigarettes Are Causing The Problem? We're Banning Them? Okay!

[Seil]

http://www.cigarettesreviews.com/flavored-cigarette-ban-goes-into-effect

Canada is banning flavored cigarettes to stop youths from smoking. It's totally gonna work. Just like stuffing them behind a curtain did. And jacking up the prices. Those all stopped us from smoking, every one of us.

Yup, don't see how this could fail.

...So yeah, working in a convenience store gives me a schedule of what days we have to pull down what smokes, but as a whole, flavored cigarettes are circling the drain in Canada. Which sucks, 'cause I smoke Captain Black Sweets.

[bluestarultor]

Let's be fair, banning them isn't going to cause anyone to quit. On the other hand, there's not a damn reason the things should be flavored other than to try to attract new, and in general young, smokers. Kids are already bombarded with a "cigarettes = cool" maelstrom of ads. "Smoke Marlboros! It'll make you into an awesome cowboy! Now in tutti fruity!" "Hey, cowboys are awesome, and I LOVE tutti fruity! Now to get someone of legal age to buy them so I can join in being cool!" You get the idea. Kids start early these days, and while only having shit-flavored cigarettes certainly isn't going to stop them, it at least removes some of the incentive.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Let's be fair, banning them isn't going to cause anyone to quit. On the other hand, there's not a damn reason the things should be flavored other than to try to attract new, and in general young, smokers. Kids are already bombarded with a "cigarettes = cool" maelstrom of ads. "Smoke Marlboros! It'll make you into an awesome cowboy! Now in tutti fruity!" "Hey, cowboys are awesome, and I LOVE tutti fruity! Now to get someone of legal age to buy them so I can join in being cool!" You get the idea. Kids start early these days, and while only having shit-flavored cigarettes certainly isn't going to stop them, it at least removes some of the incentive.

I think we're really past the point where kids are 'bombarded' by it.

Hell, the announcers of Top Gear smoked pipes for a comedy bit and they got fined for it.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwdI6dKtd34)
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3941/topgearintroubleoverpor.jpg

[bluestarultor]

I think we're really past the point where kids are 'bombarded' by it.

Hell, the announcers of Top Gear smoked pipes for a comedy bit and they got fined for it.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwdI6dKtd34)
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3941/topgearintroubleoverpor.jpg

Well, to be blunt, that's stupid, because no kid on Earth is going to smoke a pipe.

On the other hand, they've been marketing cigarettes to kids since pretty much forever. Until Joe Camel was killed, at least one study showed more kids recognized him than the president. After said event, it never stopped so much as just got more sneaky. The "for adults only" bit is just as or more alluring to kids, because then smoking makes them adults or rebels, and either one is "cool."

[Wigmund]

I think flavored cigarettes were banned in the US not too long ago. It was part of a long list of anti-tobacco measures passed not long after Obama got into office.

[TDK]

Well, to be blunt, that's stupid, because no kid on Earth is going to smoke a pipe.


Pipes will always be color than cigarettes, and in fact I know several people who smoke pipes. Usually while wearing Doyle-esque hats or bowlers or top hats.

[Fenris]

cool... tutti fruity

These two things do not coincide.

But I'm personally all for the banning of any and all cigarettes so kudos to Canada.

[Premmy]

Cool...tutti-fruttiThese two things do not coincide.


You sure about that?
http://www.morethings.com/music/little_richard_penniman/!little-richard-penniman.jpg

[PsychicKid]

On the other hand, they've been marketing cigarettes to kids since pretty much forever. Until Joe Camel was killed, at least one study showed more kids recognized him than the president. After said event, it never stopped so much as just got more sneaky. The "for adults only" bit is just as or more alluring to kids, because then smoking makes them adults or rebels, and either one is "cool."

Who the hell is Joe Camel?

[Seil]

Well, to be blunt, that's stupid, because no kid on Earth is going to smoke a pipe.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u59/Poetisch/Seilandhispipe.jpg

Well Blues, that's a broad generalization that my pipe doesn't take kindly to.

Kids are already bombarded with a "cigarettes = cool" maelstrom of ads. "Smoke Marlboros! It'll make you into an awesome cowboy! Now in tutti fruity!" "Hey, cowboys are awesome, and I LOVE tutti fruity! Now to get someone of legal age to buy them so I can join in being cool!"

Like these? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPaS2pbUWY4) I remember at least three times when I was a student before high school that we had visits from police and doctors and youth protesters talking about how smoking was bad. I don't think kids are going to start smoking because they've flavored cigarettes. A lot of my friends call me stupid for smoking, and are disgusted at the idea of flavored cigarettes.

I guess they lure kids to start smoking the same way that flavored condoms lure kids to have sex with flavored condoms.

Banana? Awesome!

[Premmy]

Who the hell is Joe Camel?


Who let this little whippersnapper in here? go on and play with your vidjamagames and internets little boy we're talkin' bout cool grown-up things, like smoking.

[Magus]

I actually think cigarettes would be a good source of population control if they could only make them really deadly instead of slowly deadly. Like put in lots of cyanide so you die really quickly instead of holding on to 60 and getting emphysema and becoming a burden on society. I know this would drive profits down but it would make cigarettes the coolest fucking thing to do ever, even more so than your average heroin or other dangerous narcotic. Also those breathalyzer cars for drunks should turn on if a drunk person tries to start it, right, but then should immediately explode into a fiery mess, similar to an auto accident a drunk person would cause.

My ideas may be controversial but I think we should really consider them.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

What adverts are these that are showing cigarettes to be cool?? Last time I saw a cig ad, it had tar and other white crap dripping from the end of it as a bunch of people smoked, then they dissected a human vein and all the white shitty puss splurted out of it. The previous ads had showed x-ray shots of the smoke slowly blackening peoples lungs and peoples teeth turning yellow and cracked.

They haven't advertised smoking as being "cool" for a long time. In fact they don't even advertise smoking any more. Haven't for years.

But yeah, I hate smoking of all kinds, so good for Canada for at least beginning to ban some form of smoking.

[Osterbaum]

I guess they lure kids to start smoking the same way that flavored condoms lure kids to have sex with flavored condoms.
You mean give blowjobs to people with flavoured condoms on. That then leads to men/boys wanting to have a taste aswell ---> they become gay! Quick! Someone who is a conservative biggot, ban flavoured condoms!

[bluestarultor]

What adverts are these that are showing cigarettes to be cool?? Last time I saw a cig ad, it had tar and other white crap dripping from the end of it as a bunch of people smoked, then they dissected a human vein and all the white shitty puss splurted out of it. The previous ads had showed x-ray shots of the smoke slowly blackening peoples lungs and peoples teeth turning yellow and cracked.

They haven't advertised smoking as being "cool" for a long time. In fact they don't even advertise smoking any more. Haven't for years.

But yeah, I hate smoking of all kinds, so good for Canada for at least beginning to ban some form of smoking.

I dunno where you are, but I still get the occasional billboard and I'm sure I've seen a magazine ad or two, but yeah, it's mostly died down over the past 10 years.

[CABAL49]

I dunno where you are, but I still get the occasional billboard and I'm sure I've seen a magazine ad or two, but yeah, it's mostly died down over the past 10 years.

I come from Winston-Salem. Home of the Winston cigarettes and the R.J.Reynolds Tobacco Company(invented Joe Camel). We aren't even allowed to have billboards in that town that advertise. The thing is, those billboards were replaced by ones for titty bars. Not sure if that is better or worse.

[Seil]

I come from Winston-Salem. Home of the Winston cigarettes and the R.J.Reynolds Tobacco Company(invented Joe Camel). We aren't even allowed to have billboards in that town that advertise. The thing is, those billboards were replaced by ones for titty bars. Not sure if that is better or worse.

Flavored Condoms! Ban Thems!

[Tev]

Flavored Condoms! Ban Thems!
You leave those alone! That marvelous invention has done more to get ladies to suck dick than any other thing ever.

[Dauntasa]

Honestly, kids don't fucking smoke flavored cigarettes anyway.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Who does smoke flavoured cigarettes? I've never seen anyone smoke those ever.

[Bells]

Who cares about Flavored Cigarettes? Those are for 90's Douches ! .... no offense to Seil, who i think it's a nice guy who i believe probably smells lovely.

....but what about the XXI century douche add-on, the eletronic cigarettes?

http://superecigs.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/blu-250x250banner.167164514.jpg

[krogothwolf]

Who the hell is Joe Camel?

http://biloxxxi.com/biloxxxi/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/link.joe.camel.lg.jpg

This is Joe Camel. The Coolest of cool and the smoothest of smooth.

[TDK]

Who cares about Flavored Cigarettes? Those are for 90's Douches ! .... no offense to Seil, who i think it's a nice guy who i believe probably smells lovely.

....but what about the XXI century douche add-on, the eletronic cigarettes?

http://superecigs.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/blu-250x250banner.167164514.jpg

Electronic cigarettes are much healthier for you and all around better, in addition to not having any second-hand smoke shit to deal with.

So if you're anti-smoking, maybe you should lay off E-cigs?

[Marc v4.0]

Who does smoke flavoured cigarettes? I've never seen anyone smoke those ever.

I ran into a group of overweight larpers at a comic store that were smoking cloves out front while lecturing some other overwight larper on how to use the word "exactly" right.

I kept my head down and tried not to look like an orc or a food item.

[bluestarultor]

I ran into a group of overweight larpers at a comic store that were smoking cloves out front while lecturing some other overwight larper on how to use the word "exactly" right.

I kept my head down and tried not to look like an orc or a food item.

Cloves are a mite different.

[Marc v4.0]

Cloves are a mite different.

The only flavored cigs I've ever seen were clove variations.

Seen flavored Cigars too, I guess

[Bells]

Electronic cigarettes are much healthier for you and all around better, in addition to not having any second-hand smoke shit to deal with.

So if you're anti-smoking, maybe you should lay off E-cigs?

But it makes people look like such huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge douches......

[MasterOfMagic]

But it makes people look like such huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge douches......

Why?

[DFM]

Who does smoke flavoured cigarettes? I've never seen anyone smoke those ever.

I had a friend who used to pay me to get them for him since he wasn't eighteen yet and he liked cherry flavored ones. I always felt really embarrassed when I bought them, like I had to explain to the gas station attendant that they weren't for me and I wasn't a gay douche, honest.

[Bells]

Why?

I would start with the "ads" for it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngs0QfoxP34&feature=player_embedded)

[The SSB Intern]

Guys, guys, I think everyone's missing the point. These well-intentioned Canadians aren't targeting the real problem. We don't need to stop kids from cigarettes.

We need to stop white teenagers from chewing tobacco.*

*(Might not be that much of problem for people not in an agricultural community, but seriously, blegh. BLEGH!)

[DFM]

I didn't know anyone but old ranchers and old hermits even chewed tobacco.

[Dauntasa]

I didn't know anyone but old ranchers and old hermits even chewed tobacco.

Baseball players.

[The SSB Intern]

It might be that my town just sucks. Yes, that seems like a definite possibility.

[Seil]

We've had one guy - one! - buy Skoal chewing tobacco.

One guy!

[Dauntasa]

We've had one guy - one! - buy Skoal chewing tobacco.

One guy!

Was he wearing a cowboy hat or a baseball cap?

[Thadius]

Allow me to say that while it is a step, it may not be a right one. Hell everything can kill you if you try hard enough. You can kill a man with a rolled-up section of the Times if you really wanted to! But banning flavored cigarettes...while I myself do not and will not ever smoke, it seems akin to banning the firing range from using 9mm bullets. Far be it from me to endorse smoking, but if you're going to kill yourself, shouldn't you have the right to die with your favorite smoke flavor on your tongue? So long as you keep your secondhand smoke away from people who don't want it in their lungs, I don't honestly see much of a problem with smoking. The stupid die, the gene pool is advanced, and evolution marches on without the smokers! Maybe not instantly, but it does.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I don't really have a problem with them banning it with the hopes that it'll discourage smoking being as I don't smoke. (Though banning them may and up creating a new crime called making counterfeit flavor cigs). It won't change things any more then the water only E-cigs did.

However it's still a bit early to really tell how this will reduce/discourage smoking. We'll have to wait a couple years and see what happens.

[Seil]

I dun think it will.

And I wanted to try some Strawberry cigars. Guess I'll have to buy them soon.

[Premmy]

All I know is Chocolate blunt papers are AWESOME, so screw you guys.

Also, I see lots of old folks chewing tobacco, but lots of teens too, the hell is that shit?

[Dauntasa]

All I know is Chocolate blunt papers are AWESOME, so screw you guys.

Also, I see lots of old folks chewing tobacco, but lots of teens too, the hell is that shit?

They think it won't give them cancer. It will, though. Just a different type that's less likely to kill you but pretty much always causes horrible disfigurement.

[krogothwolf]

We've had one guy - one! - buy Skoal chewing tobacco.

One guy!

Guy was probably from Calgary. All the "cowboys" buy chewing tobacco here cause it's the redneck thing to do. Goddamn Stampede :/

I used to buy Popeye Chewing Sticks though, god I loved those things.

[CABAL49]

Guy was probably from Calgary. All the "cowboys" buy chewing tobacco here cause it's the redneck thing to do. Goddamn Stampede :/

I used to buy Popeye Chewing Sticks though, god I loved those things.

Funniest thing I have ever seen, Polish wearing Confederate belt buckles playing bluegrass.

[krogothwolf]

Funniest thing I have ever seen, Polish wearing Confederate belt buckles playing bluegrass.

You have to walk around the Calgary Stampede for one day and look at all the people trying to pretend to be cowboys. I've seen Goth Cowboys, Emo Cowboys, Mime Cowboys, Jedi Cowboys, Alien Cowboys. People are freakin weird man!

[Dauntasa]

You have to walk around the Calgary Stampede for one day and look at all the people trying to pretend to be cowboys. I've seen Goth Cowboys, Emo Cowboys, Mime Cowboys, Jedi Cowboys, Alien Cowboys. People are freakin weird man!

I once saw a Samurai Cowboy. He was actually Asian, too.

[Seil]

Cowboys these days ride motorbikes.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/samuraicyclist.jpg

[Osterbaum]

And another thread beautifully derailed.

[Seil]

Oh, we got the general point across. Some of us think that this will work, others don't think it will.

And what you said in the Benedict thread works too, that the Pope is the patron saint of child molesters.

[Osterbaum]

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I usually like it when threads get derailed. It's always interesting to see which way they go from there.

[krogothwolf]

That is no Cowboy. That's a samurai! The lack of cowboy hat makes it so!
A real cowboy would ride this!

http://futurismic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/robot-horse-thumb.jpg

Why the hell is the first goddamn image the Naked Cowboy? WHY!!!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GOOGLE!

[Seil]

When I tried to get a pic of the Cowboy while I was in New York, I was blocked on three seprate occasions.

[krogothwolf]

When I tried to get a pic of the Cowboy while I was in New York, I was blocked on three seprate occasions.

He has his own Goon Squad?

[Seil]

Nah, we were just on our way to lunch, and we saw him, like, a block away, and traffic or people kept cutting in.

[Azisien]

I was generally under the impression all our anti-smoking education pushes were having an actual effect on teenage smoking. Banning things just makes it illicit which makes teens (and me!) want to try them.

Well maybe that's not entirely correct, because fuck smoking. I'd only try smoking if it involved an obscenely large pipe.

http://www.blogcdn.com/insidemovies.moviefone.com/media/2009/08/inglourious-basterds-waltz-200x225.jpg

Enh, little small.

[bluestarultor]

I was generally under the impression all our anti-smoking education pushes were having an actual effect on teenage smoking. Banning things just makes it illicit which makes teens (and me!) want to try them.

Well maybe that's not entirely correct, because fuck smoking. I'd only try smoking if it involved an obscenely large pipe.

http://www.blogcdn.com/insidemovies.moviefone.com/media/2009/08/inglourious-basterds-waltz-200x225.jpg

Enh, little small.

Actually, there's evidence that things like D.A.R.E. make kids more likely to start whatever they're trying to combat, because they make kids think that everyone else is doing it and want to fit in.

Frankly, the best education against starting drinking or smoking is to not make an issue of it and give kids early exposure so it's nothing special. Also, if they want to try a sip/puff, let them, because chances are good that the nasty taste of beer or the coughing fit from a virgin puff are going to scare them away from it forever if they're young enough. After that point, just make sure it's not around and therefore easily available.

Basically, the strategy would be to not smoke yourself, but have a close-by relative who does, so the kid can visit and figure out a) smoking is nothing rebellious in your eyes, b) it kinda sucks, and c) if they really feel the need, there's none of it around the house, so they have to put work into getting it, which capitalizes on human laziness.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Frankly, the best education against starting drinking or smoking is to not make an issue of it and give kids early exposure so it's nothing special. Also, if they want to try a sip/puff, let them, because chances are good that the nasty taste of beer or the coughing fit from a virgin puff are going to scare them away from it forever if they're young enough. After that point, just make sure it's not around and therefore easily available.

Yeah, there is definate truth in this. With regards to things like alcohol, my mum always had some in the house while me and my sister were young, and she always said, "it's there if you want to try it." So try it I did, and when I was like, 9, 10 maybe, I didn't like it. Flashforward to being ages 16-17 and drinking is not a big deal nor very appealing. I never wanted to go out and get drunk.

In contrast, many 15 years would be out binge drinking on street corners, making themselves feel utterly ill, getting in trouble with passersby, and probably the police. I'm pretty sure the main reason teenagers do that is because it is something new, they can now get hold of it, and everyone else is doing it, and so they overdo it.

But we always had drink in the house, so if I wanted some, it was there, with no risk of getting in trouble while drunk.


Course that doesn't work the same with smoking, but then I never liked smoking anyway, just the smell of it put me right off, and so I've never even tried it, not even 1 puff. Nasty shit. I have a couple of friends who just recently started; they're 19 and just started at university. They call it "social smoking", and claim they only do it because loads of other people do it and so it becomes like a half hour gathering outside the dorm building and they don't want to be left out. It's bullshit though, they're addicted, nothing more and now even when they're home for the weekend they can't sit and NOT smoke for more than 45 minutes. Kinda funny and sad, because none of my other friends smoke, so if one or both of them is hanging with a group of us, they usually end up outside on their own getting their fix while we stay in and ignore them.

So much for "social smoking" eh?

[bluestarultor]

Nice. XD


I will say from my own personal experience that it works with smoking provided the cigarettes aren't readily available. If they are, you'll likely snitch them, like my cousins. If it's like an uncle or something like with me and other family members, the availability isn't there, but then neither is the specialness.

[Azisien]

I don't even know what D.A.R.E. is, must be some fucked up US policy that, as per usual, is fucked up with vaguely good intentions some decades before its inception?

*wikis* Hey that's exactly what it is!

[The Sevenshot Kid]

My parents smoke and most of my extended family smokes. The reason that I haven't tried smoking is cause it never had any appeal to me. Watching you're tiny grandma hack up some heinous shit can do that.

The only tobacco I'm against is chew. I live in a small town in the valley and everytime I go see a movie there's the sound of a dozen people spitting.

[Terex4]

This is the wrong solution to the problem.

People smoke flavored cigs for the same reason people smoke pipes or flavored cigars. They taste better and have a more pleasant aroma.

Pipe tobacco in particular has a very nice smell to it.

Early exposure and availability is the best solution by far. Most teens (and early adults) do things because its against the rules, or they can finally do whatever they want.

Ever set a kid loose on a bag of easter candy? They'll eat until they get sick. Same with anyone who has just come of age without earlier experiences with alcohol.

Its also my experience that kids have to do something before they decide they don't like it. You can educate them and tell them all you want, but they are still going to have to try it for themselves before they determine if you were right or not.

I dunno, maybe I just have hard headed kids and I don't present myself as trustworthy, but that's been my observation of child behavior.