So how do you fight?

[Overcast]

It seems a few of us around here have a couple of combat skills, mostly of the sporting sort, and I figured I'd enjoy seeing the sort of things we are bringing to the table when we finally descend into anarchy and start ripping each others throats out.

I myself am a grappler, I find interest in most other forms of fighting but I hadn't found the time to learn any others before now. It is one I enjoy immensely, the constant shifting of control between one person and another as you gauge balance, strength, and technique together was a rather fun thing. I loved the organized chaos of it all and really not being allowed to practice it now is just awkward since I know that my self maintained inactivity already made me rusty as hell and for some reason I had a recent resurgence in interest in choking people out once I got to where I am today.

So how do you whip ass?

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I know Ju-Jitsu. So I pretty much wait for someone to attack, throw them to the ground, break whatever part of their body is readily available at the time and leave them unconscious with a punch to the head.

Quick, simply, and effective. Never had to actually use it in a real fight yet though.

[Nikose Tyris]

Shurikendo- the art of using everything available as a weapon with whatever style works best for the situation.

I know spots (no more then 6 months) of Judo, Karate and Kendo- couldn't really focus on any of it.

Spent a lot of time cloak-dueling and that's fun- I've shown I'm able to disarm someone with my trenchcoat, so I'll put that on the list?

And I have some Saber Fencing under my belt, but I'm literally so horrible at it I shouldn't mention it at all.


Really my fighting style consists of "Talking big and taking a cheapshot at your face with a brick". It's followed promptly by my most powerful combat technique, "Run like a fucking coward."

[Melfice]

I prefer to walk - or run - away.
Being a bit of a pacifist (but not too much), I generally get kicked around 'till the point I rage so hard I'm literally willing and able to rip somebody's oesophagus out during a grapple.

I understand that guy still has the scars of my nails embedded on his throat.
He threatened to report me to the police, at which point I threatened to show the police the bruises on my ribs, next to some classmates backing me up. Good times (but not really).

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I use the mythical Althusser Death Stare. Works every time.

[Overcast]

I always have myself at odds with the boys in Ju-jitsu since I'm a wrestler. Wrestlers understand that aside from most of the submissions we share many moves with those fellows and just have different concentrations when it comes to our grappling outcome. Ju-jitsu kids are so filled with pride in their particular martial art though that they always seem to talk down to us. Course I'm usually very calm about it as I try to reason with them, my brother usually challenges them and wins more often than he loses.

It is a vicious cycle.

But yeah I figure most of us are cowards or at least diplomatic in our approaches to conflict, but hey when it comes down to it I plan to do a nice high elevation throw and send you sprawling to the pavement if you happen to test me properly. I figure if I could do it to someone twice my weight before(as a note my spine hurt a bit afterward so I think I did it wrong) most people don't stand much of a chance.

[Melfice]

But yeah I figure most of us are cowards

You're such a charmer. Make love to me now, you silver-tongued devil, you.
Reluctance to fight does NOT make one a coward.

[Overcast]

Well I am taking this as a view of someone's form of conflict resolution, I am diplomatic I try to talk my way out. Smarty apparently has a magical stare of unending intimidation which is also a bit diplomatic if from the other side of the force. You can fight, which works from time to time if that is the conflict you are facing. You can also run, which is cowardly but not really a bad choice if all else fails. You chose to be called a coward. I didn't point that at anyone except everyone, and also included diplomatic approaches which you could have just as easily taken up in your reluctance to fight.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

The only way for you two to settle this argument is an out and out street brawl backed by an 80s hair metal soundtrack.

[Amake]

I let my opponents' imagination run wild. Sometimes they are crippled by fear, sometimes they completely underestimate me and most of the time they make wrong assumptions. The trick is of course to never give away your intentions.

[Nique]

DOA or SoulCaliber Competition.

[pochercoaster]

I take kickboxing classes, but I don't really see it as anything other than a sport. IMO if you're already engaged in a physical fight with someone your self defense has failed, and I would never fight anyone unless I absolutely had to- and then it would be with the intention to get away as fast as I possibly can, not to cause injury beyond what is necessary.

As my instructor demonstrated in my last class, if you kick someone but miss ever so slightly it is so easy for them to grab your leg and then just throw you. Likewise, a punch is pretty much a wasted move unless you have enough control to place it perfectly and put a lot of power in it.

So, I don't really know how I'd fight in a real situation, but it probably wouldn't be using any skills I'm actually learning from my classes. XD

As an aside, kickboxing is really really fun, and great for your abs. That's the reason I'm taking classes.

[Melfice]

Well I am taking this as a view of someone's form of conflict resolution, I am diplomatic I try to talk my way out. Smarty apparently has a magical stare of unending intimidation which is also a bit diplomatic if from the other side of the force. You can fight, which works from time to time if that is the conflict you are facing. You can also run, which is cowardly but not really a bad choice if all else fails. You chose to be called a coward. I didn't point that at anyone except everyone, and also included diplomatic approaches which you could have just as easily taken up in your reluctance to fight.

So... what yer sayin' is "I totally said a stupid thing, and now I'm trying to lay the blame on the person who felt offended."
Beautiful. You're one for politics.

So, I choose not to fight and walk or run away.
Why? Chances are I'm outnumbered, over-powered (opponent is visibly toned/muscular or drops into a "professional" fighting stance) or whatever other reasons.
Why should I try to injure myself by fighting a lost cause? I'd rather run then.
If the above is not the case... why should I risk myself for punishment by injuring them?

I'm not very well with words, not extremely intimidating. Chances are I wouldn't be able to talk anybody down from a fight, unless I'm really lucky.
If you consider me a coward for avoiding a fight, go ahead.

Just be ready to accept that I consider you an idiot for thinking such a way.

I understand that you weren't necessarily aiming this at anybody, but surely you could have seen that this is not a smart thing to say?

The only way for you two to settle this argument is an out and out street brawl backed by an 80s hair metal soundtrack.

Though I'd rather not, this appeals to me quite a lot.
It's on.

[Overcast]

Not saying I said anything stupid. Running away, walking away, or avoiding a conflict is a cowardly act no matter how smart it is. Because you failed to solve the conflict outright, you just ran. You didn't have the power to end it face to face so you ditched it. That is cowardice, nothing else to it

If it wasn't a smart thing to say I couldn't see it. I wouldn't have been offended by it because I understand I am a coward because I am preferable to self preservation over pride. I figured someone like yourself would be able to see that as well, and maybe that was stupid of me.

On the note of 80's hair band beatdown I'm voting Mötley Crüe as our musical representatives.

[Green Spanner]

Hit them until they die.

[Melfice]

Not saying I said anything stupid. Running away, walking away, or avoiding a conflict is a cowardly act no matter how smart it is. Because you failed to solve the conflict outright, you just ran. You didn't have the power to end it face to face so you ditched it. That is cowardice, nothing else to it

If it wasn't a smart thing to say I couldn't see it. I wouldn't have been offended by it because I understand I am a coward because I am preferable to self preservation over pride. I figured someone like yourself would be able to see that as well, and maybe that was stupid of me.

On the note of 80's hair band beatdown I'm voting Mötley Crüe as our musical representatives.

No, I didn't have the power to end it directly.
Assuming in a straight fight with an equal opponent, I would agree that it is cowardly.

Assume you're NOT in a straight fight. Assume you're outnumbered, over-powered, your opponent has a weapon, name it. Martial arts is not a representative of real life.

Assume you're stronger. Did you just hurt or injure a person weaker than you? Great going, coward! Go on, picking on somebody weaker than you! Sure, he was harassing you, but you should have been the better man! Walk away from that.

You're never in a straight fight, man. Fight when there's no other option left. Run when you can. (Or stare them down, if you have that ability. Not everybody does.)
No matter what you do if you choose to fight, you're always fucked.

[Amake]

avoiding a conflict is a cowardly act no matter how smart it is.

So getting into a fight, no matter what the reason, would be an act of bravery?

[bluestarultor]

I'm a combat pragmatist. I have classical training in Tae Kwon Do, but my skills in the formal fighting style have largely atrophied. I know how to use a staff well enough to beat the living daylights out of someone and have been messing around with 3-section staff for the past couple years during the summer, but wouldn't call myself skilled with it. If you give me a weapon, I'll find a way to use it and I'm stronger than I look, so I have the element of surprise in that I can pick up a random object people wouldn't expect me to be able to handle.


Basically, all I can really attest to at this point is that I'm a striker with an eclectic fighting style that incorporates bits and pieces from anything that I happen to see that works for me.

[Overcast]

I'm going to say this once more. Cowardice to me is one persons inability to solve a conflict directly and instead avoid it. Straight fight or no when you run that is cowardice. I'm not saying it isn't smart, I KEEP saying that it is smart at the right time. Though it doesn't change what it is. It is cowardly.

If someone weaker than you harasses you and you beat him down good for you the guy was asking for it and needed a lesson on exactly where he actually was in reality. He was picking on you, now if you do it with no conflict than you are shameful which fits up to the definition of coward being used in your example.

I reiterate, the typical situation the smart decision is to run. This is also a cowardly move but still smart. The dumb decision is to fight, but it also shows a brazen robustness that signifies courage. Not intellect, but pride.

Any time someone enters a fight for a reason it is brave, not smart, not moral, not anything but brave. The key there is moral. It might be wrong, but it doesn't change the bravery.

[Amake]

It's a subtle difference between courage and stupidity, Overcast, but by your definition there's no difference at all. What good is it then? >_>

[bluestarultor]

I'm just going to toss in that simply walking away can be braver than fighting. Bravery breaks down when you're not under self-control. Getting egged into a fight isn't brave so much as just stupid, because you're not thinking clearly, just lashing out like an animal.

Running maybe is cowardly, but, really, cowardice is defined by the aggressor, which isn't exactly fair when assessing the situation.

I'll also say it's more cowardly to beat a person into a pulp who's weaker than you than running away ever will be. Doing that kind of thing just means you're small.

[Corel]

I'm an assistant Ju-Jitsu instructor after practising it for quite a number of years and done a couple of years of MMA to mostly to improve my striking->clinch->ground transitions.

I practised Muay Thai for a number of years because I am a glutton for pain, I still contemplate why because even after all these years I still dislike getting hit in the face.

Nowadays I've kinda stopped caring about competition and find much more joy in teaching. I find teaching age groups between 12-20 probably to be the most fun as this is a time where they have a good balance of energy and willingless to learn new things.

If you want to ask why I personally learnt these things is mostly because I find it a lot of fun in a safe and controlled environment. Also as I find learning and teaching things to be very gratifying.

We once ran a 3 month course for teeangers from troubled backgrounds and we saw visible differences in how they presented themselves by the end of it. Nearly all of them by some degree had been transformed in such way that it makes any amount of effort in teaching worthwhile ;Less aggressive, less of an ego (mostly from after the first week we deliberately broke them), more attentive and probably the best one is that they were much better behaved towards one another and really cared about learning something.

I would also like to quickly throw in here let's please not make this a thread about my kungfu>your kungfu or a "I'm Bruce Lee, bitches" mentality going on as that's never fun.

[Meister]

I'm pretty sure usually self-defense instructors will specifically stress to fight until you can get away and not a moment longer.

Kind of a silly thing to get worked up about anyway, I mean it's a fun little theoretical discussion but if I get attacked and manage to get in one good kick to the nuts, and I can pick between a) running like hell and never seeing the guy again and b) following it up with more attacks and risking the guy's recovery and subsequent having to fight a guy I just kicked in the nuts, I'm pretty much gonna pick a) without thinking twice where that stands in someone else's outlook on morality and bravery.

[Overcast]

See some people are having an issue with the fact that I see cowardice as removing one's self from a conflict unresolved. Shameful is apparently cowardice in most books. Kicking someone in the nuts is plenty brave since it is a bit of a risky gambit, and smart since it preys on the very center of a man. Ditching afterward is fine because most of the time after kicking someone in the balls you've already won, it is a shameful victory, but hey it is a victory.

Shame is the word that applies in your retreat most of the time, if walking away is what someone says is brave then it lacks shame. Though it is still cowardice since there isn't much hardship in removing yourself.

So yes this is mostly a theoretical thing, not really an issue of fighting itself.

On fighting itself, learning to fight really is quite an amusing thing. No matter if you are learning things like wrestling, Jui-jitsu, mui-thai, boxing, jeet kun do, or anything at all it requires a diligence and discipline that borders on the self destructive. This kind of training can build a comradeship between the people who train together and the act tends to build healthy competition that serves as inspiration to keep working toward something better. In a safe environment the combination of physical power and martial skill can be a helpful release of both physical and mental stress. And no matter how rusty you get you can always expect the skills will stay with you, as I can easily remember my father doing said high elevation throw into our porch when my uncle tried to punch him.

As I said I would really enjoy doing it these days but as I'm not allowed to I end up stuck.

[Art of Hilt]

See, alright, this is how I approach fighting: people shouldn't fight until they have to. So, first, words. Sometimes you can't resolve something by words because the person you're talking to is a Neo Nazi from Utah with a tattoo on his forehead of a bald eagle getting stabbed in the back by a samurai with a swastika-crested helmet and that's when you pretty much have one option, which is to wait until he tries to hit you, manage some sort of counterattack using his momentum to get him laying on the ground, and then run like hell.

The guy didn't bother listening to reason, because he's not reasonable. That's why he started the fight. Even if by some miracle I win the fight he's going to try to avenge himself and target me because in his mind the fight is not over until I am in the hospital eating Thanksgiving dinner through a straw. Because he's not reasonable when it comes to conflict resolution or anything ever.

I mean if you're asking about 'style' then it's a basic no-style "pay attention to what the other dude is doing and then make him fall on the ground" style fighting. I don't know man. All I know is that the only time I lose fights is when I'm not paying attention to the other dude.

[bluestarultor]

I don't understand how not fighting at all doesn't constitute a resolution. It constitutes one where you are safe and whatever person was looking for a reason to collect teeth needs to find another target.

For further reference, please see #8. (http://www.cracked.com/article_18611_the-10-most-important-things-they-didnt-teach-you-in-school.html)

[Terex4]

I don't fight. In situations where most people would have found themselves involved in one, I have a knack for resolving the situation with words before it reaches that point.

The only type of fighting I'm somewhat proficient in is submission style wrestling in which I have no formal training whatsoever.

I don't consider myself a pacifist. I'll fight if I have to and enjoy seeing it happen when I have no stake in the outcome. However, fighting is a stupid way to resolve a conflict as it proves nothing of worth (unless of course the argument revolved around who can kick who's ass).

[Sithdarth]

I'd like to tell you a story. Once a long time ago a famous swordsman was on a ferry crossing a rather large body of water. Also, on this boat was another swordsman who boasted very loudly about his unbeatable style. The first swordsman simply fell asleep. This enraged the boastful swordsman who woke the first swordsman and asked him his style. The first swordsman replied "I am of the style of winning without contest." Wanting to see this style the boastful swordsman challenged the first swordsman until he agreed to a dual. The first swordsman had the ferryman pull over to an island so they could have more room to fight. As the boat came to a stop the boastful swordsman quickly jumped out and the first swordsman picked up an oar and pushed the ferry back out into the water. As the boastful swordsman stood there dumbstruck the first swordsman called back "That is how you win without contest."

In short, removing yourself from a situation before a fight breaks out is a form of conflict resolution. It certainly isn't cowardice by any generally accepted definition of the word. You can continue with the "well it means to me stuff" but expect a lot of disagreement because most people stick with what the dictionary says instead of arbitrarily assigning definitions to words. Especially words loaded with negative connotation.

[stefan]

I largely try to avoid fighting. If I do have to fight, my attacks usually involve flailing wildly and screaming incoherently with whatever heavy object was closest at hand.

This is more effective than it sounds, since I'm a pretty big guy and a fair amount of my size is muscle built up from my job.

[POS Industries]

I poison the wine of my enemies before they've even considered betraying me.

Works every time.

[TheBoltman]

I took kickboxing years ago, and if needed could still use most of it (specifically the boxing part). Add that to the hours and hours of martial arts movies/anime I've watched and I'm downright deadly to someone who has no type of fighting training and is awed by my use of Bruce Lee shouts.

That being said, walking away from conflict is itself a form of self-defense. Don't most martial arts teach you that fighting is to only be used when all other options are exhausted? In my eyes, that would mean the option to walk away has also been taken away.

[Overcast]

I should really just have this drop since it is off topic but I can't help myself. The conflict can be resolved by running away when the situation is not personal. A mugging can typically be considered as such, as can a random swordsman challenging you to the mantis scene from Enter the Dragon. Though a local situation with people you have to see again may lie entirely on you reaching a common ground. Whether that is done through voice or fist may be up to you, but in that case running away is just trying to ignore the unresolved conflict day in and day out.

[Seil]

Not saying I said anything stupid. Running away, walking away, or avoiding a conflict is a cowardly act no matter how smart it is. Because you failed to solve the conflict outright, you just ran. You didn't have the power to end it face to face so you ditched it. That is cowardice, nothing else to it

I'm a noted pacifist. I don't fight because it hurts people, and hurting people is bad. That being said, do I consider myself a coward? No. Choosing not to fight is different than cowardice.

[Amake]

I believe it was the Buddha who said, "The solutions provided by violence are always temporary, while the problems it causes last forever." I have the greatest respect for pacifists, who forego most delusions of personal immortality and actively work for the spiritual evolution of humanity.

Well that may not be why you choose to be pacifist, but that's why I like it.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Overcast, you're wrong. Objectively wrong. Look up what bravery and cowardice actually mean.

Bravery is not "getting into fights". It is the ability to withstand hardship, intimidation, and doubt. Some of the bravest men and women ever to live were pacifists.

Cowardice is undue fear in the face of a cause the majority have deemed right. It is not "running away from fights".

On the actual topic, I took Tae-Kwon-Do for 3 years, but that was about it. The most useful stuff from that was really learning how to actually throw a punch or a kick, and the self-defense stuff (knee them in the balls, take their legs out from under them, and run the hell away).

[Seil]

I should really just have this drop since it is off topic but I can't help myself. The conflict can be resolved by running away when the situation is not personal. A mugging can typically be considered as such, as can a random swordsman challenging you to the mantis scene from Enter the Dragon. Though a local situation with people you have to see again may lie entirely on you reaching a common ground. Whether that is done through voice or fist may be up to you, but in that case running away is just trying to ignore the unresolved conflict day in and day out.

See some people are having an issue with the fact that I see cowardice as removing one's self from a conflict unresolved. Shameful is apparently cowardice in most books. Kicking someone in the nuts is plenty brave since it is a bit of a risky gambit, and smart since it preys on the very center of a man. Ditching afterward is fine because most of the time after kicking someone in the balls you've already won, it is a shameful victory, but hey it is a victory.

...Nut shots? Isn't that a little... cheap? I don't think a fght is necessarily about doing anything it takes to win, but you remind me of every 80's movie villain. Like te leader of he Cobra Kai dojo, what with the illegal knee injury and all.

What you're saying here - doing anything to win in a fight - is shameful. There is a way offighting honorably, which apparently you don't see. Probably because you're being challeneged to fights from weapon masters in movie versions of feudal Japan.

[Overcast]

I'm tired of explaining the exact details of how my mind processes cowardice and bravery and pride and shame and fighting and running and self preservation and self control and all the factors that eventually lead me to make a decision not just on fighting but on any conflict I've ever had in my entire fucking life.

I'm tired of it because I am terrible at being clear about it apparently. I suck. I'm going to suck forever.

I'm wrong. I'm wrong because I'm not clear and my inability to be so leaves me inexcusably in the wrong even if I am trying to be right. Just please PLEASE lets try to make this topic work.

On the topic, has anybody ever taken the time to explore how your personal avenue of specialty balances out with other martial styles? It is easy to consider yourself good when you are operating under one set of rules but when you are just fighting with the techniques you know against someone else's it is amusing to see the sort of intuitive responses you have to compensate for situations you never had to face while dealing in one organized training regiment.

[BitVyper]

I'm pretty sure usually self-defense instructors will specifically stress to fight until you can get away and not a moment longer.

Being fair, there's some legal liability involved there, but I mean, they are self defense instructors. They're (ostensibly, as I think most are full of shit) teaching you how to handle situations where you have been violently attacked and getting away is pretty much your entire goal(in which case, more what you need to know is how to break holds and run away efficiently). Talk about whether it's right or wrong all you want, but those aren't the only situations where you might be in a fight.

Anyway, what's the saying? Only someone who can fight can choose pacifism. It's the difference between a lawyer with actual courtroom experience and one without. You may not want to go to court, but the guy with courtroom experience has the confidence to know he can do it if he pushes the line, and a better idea of how far he can push it. You don't get that experience without, y'know, getting that experience.

Most violence is social anyway, and yeah you can often solve matters with your word, or back down, or rely on authorities/other people to fight your battle for you, but it's nice to know you can tell the proverbial beach bully who kicks sand in your face to fuck off and be able to handle him if it goes beyond that.

[bluestarultor]

...Nut shots? Isn't that a little... cheap? I don't think a fght is necessarily about doing anything it takes to win, but you remind me of every 80's movie villain. Like te leader of he Cobra Kai dojo, what with the illegal knee injury and all.

What you're saying here - doing anything to win in a fight - is shameful. There is a way offighting honorably, which apparently you don't see. Probably because you're being challeneged to fights from weapon masters in movie versions of feudal Japan.

Trust me when I say that from experience, there is no such thing as a fair fight. Sparring is not fighting. There are no rules to fighting and if you go in acting like there are, you will be at a disadvantage.

That's one thing that martial arts, in my own experience, really drop the ball on, and, also from my own personal experience, learning it the hard way is one of the most degrading things you'll have in your fighting career, because you'll probably lose. Badly.

I'm tired of explaining the exact details of how my mind processes cowardice and bravery and pride and shame and fighting and running and self preservation and self control and all the factors that eventually lead me to make a decision not just on fighting but on any conflict I've ever had in my entire fucking life.

I'm tired of it because I am terrible at being clear about it apparently. I suck. I'm going to suck forever.

I'm wrong. I'm wrong because I'm not clear and my inability to be so leaves me inexcusably in the wrong even if I am trying to be right. Just please PLEASE lets try to make this topic work.

Some things are just very personal, and being personal, are both hard to articulate and wildly different between different people.

As a guy who's known for falling prey to this, I understand what you mean.

On the topic, has anybody ever taken the time to explore how your personal avenue of specialty balances out with other martial styles? It is easy to consider yourself good when you are operating under one set of rules but when you are just fighting with the techniques you know against someone else's it is amusing to see the sort of intuitive responses you have to compensate for situations you never had to face while dealing in one organized training regiment.

I rarely spar with my brother. On the other hand, we do get into the occasional fight. Juvenile, I know, but it's just how we operate. We kick each other's butts for a minute or two, someone lands a good one, and we then laugh it off and get back to being brothers. I guess it sort of is an extension of sparring in a way.

While I'm very strike-based, he's a bit more versatile, since he also was in wrestling, and he's frankly a lot bigger and heavier than me. When we're just striking, I'm faster than he is and can block and attack and get in more hits, but as soon as he starts grappling, I'm at a disadvantage because he's just plain stronger than I am. I can't break it with a throw because he's too big and heavy and he's just plain stronger in the arms than I'll probably ever be. Kid's just built like a bull.

[Krylo]

Dirty.

[Overcast]

Yeah I should have figured.

Though myself and my brother are just the opposite. We have both been in wrestling but he has much quicker hands than I do so when we are striking the guy not only is able to whap me multiple times and make my defenses look like crap he makes sure I realize he is messing with me. Quick little bastard. On the other hand in wrestling while he is entirely capable of taking me down once we get on the ground he will almost immediately realize that was a terrible decision and that he is about to die. When we go full out it is really about how long he can keep himself on his feet, because if he can win the battle of attrition by not letting me get in close to take him down he'll win. If I take him down though...

[Archbio]

Dirty.

Truly, that is the way. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR_Gw0RStc8)

Unless we both have foils, in which case I guess we could fence.

[Krylo]

Truly, that is the way. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR_Gw0RStc8)

Unless we both have foils, in which case I guess we could fence.

Dirty fencing?

[Flarecobra]

I'm not afraid to send a blow to the junk. Don't quite work on females though.

However I prefer to do my fighting at range.

[Corel]

I'm not afraid to send a blow to the junk. Don't quite work on females though.


Even the shots to the Pelvis are pretty painful!

Remember a few times I've got straight up illegally kneed through to my Pelvis. (Yes, I did use the word through). The only was I can describe this feeling is someone taking a hot crowbar and jamming it upwards.

This was on a day where I forgot to take my cup with me, which would have at least granted me some mercy. Men around the world let this be a lesson to you!

[Archbio]

Dirty fencing?

I was thinking of fencing as just another way of getting an advantage going, but I guess if the other one actually knows how to fence, dirty fighting could become an option!

Unless it's a movie with Patrick Swayze.

[Overcast]

Had a friend who was a fencer, also did boxing, he put the skills of both to relatively good use. I swear to this day I always try to challenge him to a terribly self destructive game of slapping since I already know I can't face him in striking. I'll try and he'll brush my hand off before whapping me in the face. This will continue on until it deteriorates to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoXkG-nS2mg&feature=related).

[A Zarkin' Frood]

I don't think I ever got in a fight.
I prefer to be around people who don't use violence or think it's a viable solution to anything.

But in my childhood I had to fight pretty often, since I had a little brother, so I can say that my style is pretty much just avoiding attacks then knocking my opponent out by accident with the watch on my right arm. I call it the "Fist of time"

I used to be quite skilled at blocking everything with my legs without falling down because I was too lazy to move my hands. But I'm not sure I can do that anymore. Not like I want to either.

[Corel]

But in my childhood I had to fight pretty often, since I had a little brother, so I can say that my style is pretty much just avoiding attacks then knocking my opponent out by accident with the watch on my right arm. I call it the "Fist of time"


Did you pronounce this phrase loudly everytime you used it or shout something similar to "TIME TO DIE"?

[Archbio]

Badly.

(Consider this a continuity reboot. I just wanted to link to McGuirk's Philosophy of Fighting the first time.)

[bluestarultor]

I'm not afraid to send a blow to the junk. Don't quite work on females though.

Actually, I understand that's not true. Not that I've ever done it, but I hear it can actually do more actual damage to a woman than to a man in terms of harm.

[Krylo]

I was thinking of fencing as just another way of getting an advantage going, but I guess if the other one actually knows how to fence, dirty fighting could become an option!

Unless it's a movie with Patrick Swayze.

Always thrust low.

[Kim]

I take my opponent's girlfriend hostage and then push a bus full of schoolchildren off a bridge.

[Amake]

So, you're actually Green Goblin?

I knew it!

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Did you pronounce this phrase loudly everytime you used it or shout something similar to "TIME TO DIE"?
I never called my attacks, even though it allows for interesting new strategies, like bluff calling an attack and then doing something completely different.

One of my signature moves was called "Hammer Time".

[Corel]

One of my signature moves was called "Hammer Time".

http://videodownloader.net/blog/pics/zidane/zidane11.gif

[pochercoaster]

Actually, I need to amend my post. I fight by plucking out my opponent's eyeballs. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPViPHSZQZA) Also, I can punch my way out of a coffin and will my limbs to move after being in a coma for four years. Totally.

[MuMu]

I take my opponent's girlfriend hostage and then push a bus full of schoolchildren off a bridge.

I read that as 'bus full of Schrödinger' and had the most adorable mental image.

Actually related to the topic, not that I ever did get into a fight(And I mean an actual fight, not schoolkids stuff) but if it happens I'd most likely aim to disable my opponent and run like hell. Probably hit junk, joints in general, eyes, sides of the neck and that little space between your ribs and your girdle that hurt likes hell even with a weak blow.

I'm not opposed to grabbing anything from the environment to smash into someone's face either, if the situation demands.

[Sithdarth]

I've studied a variant of Karate that includes bits of Judo, Jujitsu, a bit of extra Kung Fu, and several other influences on top of the traditional Okinawan Karate for about 9 years now. I've sort of moved up to assistant instructor I guess now that I have my black belt. I certainly teach/train (either other students or myself) more than I am taught/trained. My style maintains two distinct levels of combat. Tournament combat and street combat. Whenever something is taught it usually comes with two sets of instructions. The first deals with legality in terms of tournament the second deals with how to use it to actually hurt someone. The second generally includes discussions on targeting the tops of feet, ankles, knees, groin, kidneys, solar plexus, throat, nose, eyes, and the weaker parts of the neck. We even have an entire set of notes we hand out describing how to properly attack someone out to hurt you for real. There are three main things you must always do, impair their ability to breath, impair there ability to see, and impair their ability to move. I've never actually been in a fight outside of sparring but if I ever am I have absolutely no reservations about fighting "dirty". I might try to resolve the issue with talking first and then with joint locks and holds but if fighting cannot be avoided eyes, throat, groin, and knees in roughly that order.

[Nikose Tyris]

This just in: I will never ever fight with Sithdarth because he would absolutely devour me in every circumstance that doesn't end with him with a sword and me with a gun.

And I think the odds are still in his favor because I have never fired a gun before.

[Overcast]

I'm actually rather interested in this variant of karate since it not only includes several other Japanese martial forms but a piece of China in it as well. I always enjoy seeing some other takes on what it looks like to mix together certain martial strengths, from the attrition like mentality out from the MMA, the speed and dynamic of Jeet Kun Do, the brutal efficiency of pankration, even the specific nature of baritsu. So many takes that allow you to react with much greater variety than when just taught to strike, or counterstrike, or hold.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I use the greatest martial art ever created: parkour. If someone's gonna try and hurt me and I don't have a chance to defend myself, I'll get as far away as I can doing whatever I have to.

Was thinking about taking Krav Maga so I could learn to save myself if running wasn't an option but the classes in my town are a little expensive.

[Sithdarth]

I'm actually rather interested in this variant of karate since it not only includes several other Japanese martial forms but a piece of China in it as well.

Technique wise it is essentially entirely Japanese. We stole the throwing forms from Judo, mixed in some jujitsu (with ground fighting) because the founder was from an old samurai family, basically all of Okinawan Karate including weapons forms, the Chinese parts come in mostly through higher level kata (with bits and pieces in other kata) and a couple of techniques that are almost straight out of a kung fu flick. A lot of philosophy about how to execute techniques as well as general Budo and Zen got mixed in from other styles as well. It's really strange because the vast majority of the style is Okinawan but way deep at the core is this samurai mentality you wouldn't normally associate with Karate.

Here is a little bit of the Genealogy:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/Sithdarth/Genealogy.png

This just in: I will never ever fight with Sithdarth because he would absolutely devour me in every circumstance that doesn't end with him with a sword and me with a gun.

And I think the odds are still in his favor because I have never fired a gun before.

I'm actually relatively horrible at traditional sparring. I do much better when we put on our modified Kendo gear with the giant gloves and fight full contact. Kata is more my speed really. Especially weapon kata. I'm not Bruce Lee (yet) but I've got some crazy skill with Nunchaku for no apparent reason. I'm not entirely shabby with the Bo either.

[Azisien]

I run, and if its serious enough I run to my gun and shoot the threat. God didn't make every man equal, Mr. Colt did.

[Aldurin]

I have fortunately not needed to test my combat skills but I think I would do pretty well with my mix of karate training and my observations of the fighting styles of Ryu/Albert Wesker/Mario/Ratchet/Giant Clank/Crash Bandicoot/Jak/Cole McGrath/Nathan Drake/Sonic/Shadow/Knuckles/Kirby/King Dedede/Metaknight/Dr. Nefarious/Luigi/Marth/Ike/Captain Falcon/Chris Redfield/Sly Cooper/Murray/Yoshi/Fox/Falco/Wolf/Link/Jigglypuff/Donkey Kong/Bowser/Deadpool/Iron Man/Albert Wesker and whatever makeshift weapons I can find.

But if I have a gun then I repeat the above, but in an even more awesome fashion.

[CABAL49]

I burn down his home. Claim his wife/daughter. Ride/drive his horse/car.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

I burn down his home. Claim his wife/daughter. Ride/drive his horse/car.

Watch a lot of westerns don't you? This all goes to crap for you when a lone rider comes into town to clean things up. He'd probably start with the guy who collected a harem after a series of arson.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I have fortunately not needed to test my combat skills but I think I would do pretty well with my mix of karate training and my observations of the fighting styles of Ryu/Albert Wesker/Mario/Ratchet/Giant Clank/Crash Bandicoot/Jak/Cole McGrath/Nathan Drake/Sonic/Shadow/Knuckles/Kirby/King Dedede/Metaknight/Dr. Nefarious/Luigi/Marth/Ike/Captain Falcon/Chris Redfield/Sly Cooper/Murray/Yoshi/Fox/Falco/Wolf/Link/Jigglypuff/Donkey Kong/Bowser/Deadpool/Iron Man/Albert Wesker and whatever makeshift weapons I can find.

But if I have a gun then I repeat the above, but in an even more awesome fashion.

You said Wesker twice. Does the 2nd time involving turning into some giant mutated tentacle monster with bits of airplane shrapnel attached to your limbs?

[Doc ock rokc]

I take the Rincewind mentality and Don't fight at all. I know gymnastics and dabbled a bit in Parkour (considering a class) but lord help you if you Really REALLY piss me off. I'm not the type of guy that gets to release his anger a lot So when I do It's big. Last time I got angry I had to cut down a small tree that was covered in poison Everything and stinging worms. I was so pissed I uprooted Half of it then Cut the thickest part of the roots in one swing. The other time I Kicked a hole in the trampoline made my brother a octave higher while he was Temporally incapable of walking. Lately I have been able to Focus it in a way of tactical thinking and reactions...but when I lose it...

Weapons. In fights I am aggressive with swords and clubs. I aim to hit as hard as I can with as little effort. So Naturally I hold my clubs and swords Underhanded. I have fired a few guns in my life and a Small pistol would be my prime choice as I am rather good shot (when I am not totally focused on aiming) With air shot guns I have been able to do shots Really well especially if I am panicking I am also handy with a pistol crossbow as long as your not looking for too much accuracy.

[Hanuman]

My basis is entirely tai chi (application, not form) and I use avoidance, grace, sensitivity and flow to outmaneuver my opponent.
I find solutions to have people take themselves down and don't really do too much at all past a very natural and human stance that uses the superficial backline to basically unbalance them (the way a bulldozer unbalances a brick wall), then use their hardened arms to move them around like a swively vase.
If they try and use a lower stance and doubleweighting in the feet I just move away and either run or wait for them to move if they want to do anything, once they move I simply move out of range to the spaces where they'd have to land to re-solidify their stancing. If they chase me there's a good chance I can manipulate that and bop them in the nose, if they grab my arms there's a good chance I can sack them (arms being limp in a way that cannot be controlled), if they grab my legs theres a good chance their eyes are exposed and since tai chi trains you to only need 1 leg ever (the stance is essentially empty in one leg at all times) they are disabling at least one of their arms meaning they can't block on that side, temple strike if they block their face.

Running is a good way, but the best way is to manipulate the situation socially, needing to run away is a symptom of failure.

[Overcast]

Technique wise it is essentially entirely Japanese. We stole the throwing forms from Judo, mixed in some jujitsu (with ground fighting) because the founder was from an old samurai family, basically all of Okinawan Karate including weapons forms, the Chinese parts come in mostly through higher level kata (with bits and pieces in other kata) and a couple of techniques that are almost straight out of a kung fu flick. A lot of philosophy about how to execute techniques as well as general Budo and Zen got mixed in from other styles as well. It's really strange because the vast majority of the style is Okinawan but way deep at the core is this samurai mentality you wouldn't normally associate with Karate.

I'll be honest when I say that it sounds incredibly fun, while at the same time it almost seems like a necessity that the man who teaches it be completely off his rocker in some fashion or another if only so he can explain the art in the most ridiculous of ways while making perfect sense. But that is just because of its history, in theory(and I'm sure in practice) it is completely normal.

Weapons. In fights I am aggressive with swords and clubs. I aim to hit as hard as I can with as little effort. So Naturally I hold my clubs and swords Underhanded.

I can appreciate a knowledge of weapons, though I've always wondered exactly how the mechanics of using a weapon underhanded affected your using in comparison to the overhand. I've always been taught that in any impact that I should be aiming past my opponent by quite a bit so I entail the maximum force where I end up putting it and when I think of wielding anything but a blade underhanded I get a very similar result of something reduced in comparison to if I were swinging like a bat.

My basis is entirely tai chi (application, not form) and I use avoidance, grace, sensitivity and flow to outmaneuver my opponent.
I find solutions to have people take themselves down and don't really do too much at all past a very natural and human stance that uses the superficial backline to basically unbalance them (the way a bulldozer unbalances a brick wall), then use their hardened arms to move them around like a swively vase.
If they try and use a lower stance and doubleweighting in the feet I just move away and either run or wait for them to move if they want to do anything, once they move I simply move out of range to the spaces where they'd have to land to re-solidify their stancing. If they chase me there's a good chance I can manipulate that and bop them in the nose, if they grab my arms there's a good chance I can sack them (arms being limp in a way that cannot be controlled), if they grab my legs theres a good chance their eyes are exposed and since tai chi trains you to only need 1 leg ever (the stance is essentially empty in one leg at all times) they are disabling at least one of their arms meaning they can't block on that side, temple strike if they block their face.

I'd really love to spar with you. Mostly because of the mechanics of the style of fighting you are using. It seems to have a basis in personal balance and control which is exactly the sort of thing that wrestling almost constantly tries to take from you in order to achieve the upper hand. I just would love to see how the different styles clash.

On parkour, really been meaning to get into this for a while. Something about running at this degree of skill just seems unrealistically awesome. Still I have no idea if it is on the list of things I am no longer allowed to do. I'm betting it is, but then again I have no idea how much I actually care.

[Aldurin]

You said Wesker twice. Does the 2nd time involving turning into some giant mutated tentacle monster with bits of airplane shrapnel attached to your limbs?

No, it's just that his style is pure awesome. Who else can dodge bullets in an awesome fashion and stab people with their bare hands?

[CABAL49]

Watch a lot of westerns don't you? This all goes to crap for you when a lone rider comes into town to clean things up. He'd probably start with the guy who collected a harem after a series of arson.

Genghis Khan actually. Always model yourself after success. Sweet sweet brutal success.

[Hanuman]

It seems to have a basis in personal balance and control which is exactly the sort of thing that wrestling almost constantly tries to take from you in order to achieve the upper hand. I just would love to see how the different styles clash.
Sparring? Yes it's very fun and because of the muscles it uses you can spar for hours and hours.
Learning? You'd probably spend the first month learning to not do the habits trained by your other martial arts. The mentality of most is to just build physical and mental triggers so you don't have to think and those are tricky to erase! I spent a solid 2 months with a hapkido girl recently and she only just last week learned to not hand me her elbows on a silver platter, hung gar has a similar thing but is more complicated to manipulate.

[Overcast]

Quite the opposite in wrestling, the muscles it uses tend to make sparring quite exhausting to do. As for learning, even in wrestling I was told that I don't react right to certain things, by everyone. As the person not reacting right I have no idea what they mean when they say that, but I'd enjoy to see if it carries over.

[Seil]

I find it funny that half of you think you're Conan the Barbarian.

[Azisien]

Running is a good way, but the best way is to manipulate the situation socially, needing to run away is a symptom of failure.

I've always considered running from a knife/gun/flamethrower wielding maniac a symptom of intelligence, not failure!


I find it funny that half of you think you're Conan the Barbarian.

It's....it's the Internet.

[Seil]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u59/Poetisch/ahnuld.jpg

Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I find it funny that half of you think you're Conan the Barbarian.

Hey now I'm totally Sauron.

[krogothwolf]

My fighting technique is perfect. I look for the nearest pile of dog shit and then throw it at them! They'll be so disgusted they'll run away...if that fails I'll just shit my pants and throw my pants at them.

[Hanuman]

I was told that I don't react right to certain things
Then try not reacting, if you lose then you'll learn how to win with less effort next time. Tai chi very much embodies that, to the point where you can disable someone with no strength or effort.

Problem is that true tai chi takes an entirely unreasonable amount of time to train and master. GM's are only considered at around 55-60 years of training, here's the most visually prominent link I know of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSnUDkCQ0WU), masters usually train when they are in their teens and then go on for another 30 years or so if they are a hotshot before really getting esteem, intermediates are only around 15-20 years of training, someone can do 5-10 years of hardcore training and still be considered quite novice, and as for me not even hitting my second year (though as incredibly gifted for having such great teachers as I am) I am still what you'd consider a while belt in karate even though to my sparring partners the effect is astounding, really it's nothing compared to the potential.


I've always considered running from a knife/gun/flamethrower wielding maniac a symptom of intelligence, not failure!
Being attacked is a symptom of failure.

[Overcast]

Seil I get that you are a pacifist and all and thus any idea that someone learning to fight in the slightest seems to be awkward to you but really why are you here? Now I'll admit that I found that last picture amusing, but you have nothing to add to this discussion. You have no reason to be here other than to be critical. And with no fighting knowledge of even the sporting sort that means that you can't even be constructively critical. Just out and out prick. Please at least tell me how you go about your pacifism in the face of unavoidable violence if you are going to stick around. It is all I ask for.

Then try not reacting, if you lose then you'll learn how to win with less effort next time. Tai chi very much embodies that, to the point where you can disable someone with no strength or effort.


Well it isn't that I react negatively, just weirdly. What a normal person does I don't do, which just makes it far more confusing when they try to explain it to me. Thus it is totally impossible for me to explain beyond the basic words they tell me.

As for effort...effort will always differ to me in comparison to what I am trying to prevent. Even someone skilled in tai chi might find themselves in a difficult place when trying to hold off someone of equal skill in another art. Particularly one with the same art, or so I figure. In most martial arts time is a factor that is brought to mind so that you are almost always trying to remove your opponent as a threat in the smallest period of time. Tai chi seems not to include that(though I may be misinterpreting how you are presenting it) so two skilled practitioners might just end up being in an amusing stalemate for an ungodly amount of time. Or at least for any other martial artist anyway.

My fighting technique is perfect. I look for the nearest pile of dog shit and then throw it at them! They'll be so disgusted they'll run away...if that fails I'll just shit my pants and throw my pants at them.

Throwing your pants at someone is always more difficult when you have a belt on, that is why I suggest that you always leave your jeans unbuttoned and your belt unbuckled at all times. Or invest in sweats, they absorb the shit stink pretty good too.


Also running away is a smart decision at times. A dangerous gambit in certain situations but normally less risky than actually fighting someone else. Though I can't go much further than that because last time I tried the first page of this thread happened and I just want to get away from that.

[Azisien]

Being attacked is a symptom of failure.

Sometimes, you just don't get to choose which kind of maniac attacks you. That's why they're maniacs!

[Sithdarth]

and as for me not even hitting my second year (though as incredibly gifted for having such great teachers as I am) I am still what you'd consider a while belt in karate even though to my sparring partners the effect is astounding, really it's nothing compared to the potential.

At least in my style of Karate 2 years is just barely above white belt if you are a really quick study then you might get green belt in a year and a half or so. My 9 years to black belt was relatively fast motivated partially by the fact that I might be leaving training for a bit to focus on graduate studies. Even then black belt is only the true beginning. It is something like 2-3 years between your first and second rank in black belt and it just goes up from there. My Sensei has about 30 years in and he isn't even halfway up the black belt ranks. Not to crap on anyone's style but I have little faith in your training if you are considered much higher than a novice even after 2 years.

[Hanuman]

Please at least tell me how you go about your pacifism in the face of unavoidable violence if you are going to stick around.
I for one am ok with him sticking around, it's like having a vegetarian around when you're all eating meat. *waft* *waft!*
Come on, know you want to!


Well it isn't that I react negatively, just weirdly. What a normal person does I don't do, which just makes it far more confusing when they try to explain it to me. Thus it is totally impossible for me to explain beyond the basic words they tell me.If it doesn't work then try something else, are your reactions inefficient compared to what you are taught?

As for effort...effort will always differ to me in comparison to what I am trying to prevent. Even someone skilled in tai chi might find themselves in a difficult place when trying to hold off someone of equal skill in another art. Particularly one with the same art, or so I figure. In most martial arts time is a factor that is brought to mind so that you are almost always trying to remove your opponent as a threat in the smallest period of time. Tai chi seems not to include that(though I may be misinterpreting how you are presenting it) so two skilled practitioners might just end up being in an amusing stalemate for an ungodly amount of time. Or at least for any other martial artist anyway.Tai chi vs other martial arts is more playful feeling than anything else, it's not difficult as much as it is fun like a good match of SSBB or something along those lines, tai chi vs tai chi is more like a mile of ocean vs a mile of ocean, the currents just swirl around each other like a dance, if one is empty is one place it is filled back and forth in swirling randomness, heavy and grounded but still formless and fluid, always connected but without actual movement in any direction, moreso it just follows emptiness.

Tai chi is more of a basis or most simple route, it's almost entirely defensive but different styles can be adapted, it's an easy setup for groundfighting, disarming, aikido, chin na and grappling, in addition tai chi has specific styles like bagwa and ching i (fairly obscured, taught like most tai chi concepts entirely in person, very very little record online), where as bagwa focuses on a spiraling or circling effect while using your sort of "bulldozer" effect, ching i goes for straight lines mostly in punching using the same lines of connectivity to kind of use the krav maga effect of "bursting" except you use the superficial backline to be much stronger without using any momentum in the shoulders or legs and thus cannot be used against you... it's sort of like an ancient version of the wing chun bullet punches except a little more advanced and not nearly as fast, in fact if you are hard style I'd recommend wing chun as an alternative to tai chi-- it's faster to learn, requires less skill and more strength, and is several times more effective vs hard styles in ratio to the time you put into it, especially vs multiple opponents and weapons, same goes for systema.

At least in my style of Karate 2 years is just barely above white belt if you are a really quick study then you might get green belt in a year and a half or so. My 9 years to black belt was relatively fast motivated partially by the fact that I might be leaving training for a bit to focus on graduate studies. Even then black belt is only the true beginning. It is something like 2-3 years between your first and second rank in black belt and it just goes up from there. My Sensei has about 30 years in and he isn't even halfway up the black belt ranks. Not to crap on anyone's style but I have little faith in your training if you are considered much higher than a novice even after 2 years.
2 years of sparring with everyone I know at every event every day and existing entirely in what you'd consider your martial art stance, to open doors, to brush my teeth, to cook, balancing various objects on my arm lift points and keeping them entirely stable as I walk anywhere, private teaching through direct lineage of hotshots, sparring for hours and hours and hours as a form of meditation.

Yeah, when I say years I mean years you've spent on tai chi as if it was like a full time or part time job for you.

[Overcast]

Not at all, in all factors it makes me difficult to predict or lead into certain moves because rather than being led I go completely off that path and into something completely different.

Wing chun would definitely be an amusing style for me to take since I am lacking in any sort of striking knowledge, but also in the fact that my hands are a bit slow when it comes to immediate reaction. It would be a challenge, but also a proper means of improving my overall skill. In wrestling I don't really need the quick hands as much as a quick body and a basic understanding of how to manipulate someone's center of gravity.

Unfortunately I am not quite as skilled at the art as I'd like to be. It was a sport at best to me, compare to my brother or my father who ran that all the way up to state and my father even national level. They lived and breathed it in much the same way you do with tai chi. I just never found a true wish to fight so until it was far too late.

Regretful.

[Hanuman]

Not at all, in all factors it makes me difficult to predict or lead into certain moves because rather than being led I go completely off that path and into something completely different.

Wing chun would definitely be an amusing style for me to take since I am lacking in any sort of striking knowledge, but also in the fact that my hands are a bit slow when it comes to immediate reaction. It would be a challenge, but also a proper means of improving my overall skill. In wrestling I don't really need the quick hands as much as a quick body and a basic understanding of how to manipulate someone's center of gravity.

Unfortunately I am not quite as skilled at the art as I'd like to be. It was a sport at best to me, compare to my brother or my father who ran that all the way up to state and my father even national level. They lived and breathed it in much the same way you do with tai chi. I just never found a true wish to fight so until it was far too late.

Regretful.
I really want to spar with you =]
Are you near BC?

[Seil]

Seil I get that you are a pacifist and all and thus any idea that someone learning to fight in the slightest seems to be awkward to you but really why are you here? Now I'll admit that I found that last picture amusing, but you have nothing to add to this discussion. You have no reason to be here other than to be critical. And with no fighting knowledge of even the sporting sort that means that you can't even be constructively critical. Just out and out prick. Please at least tell me how you go about your pacifism in the face of unavoidable violence if you are going to stick around. It is all I ask for.

I'm not being critical in the slightest. 'M just poking fun.

I'm not against fighting - I've even taken Tae Kwon Do and know one or two Judo tosses. Me not fighting doesn't really mean that all fighting is bad all the time, it just means that I don't fight. If someone does try to fight me, I dodge or end up taking a hit.

That being said, sorry if I came off a bit dickish - it really was all in good fun. I offer a Capoeria versus Muay Thai fight in apology. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kln7JNH6_BY&feature=related)

[CABAL49]

Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!

That line was based off Genghis Khan.

“The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.”

I thought I remembered something about horses, but I may have been mistaken because I can't find it now.

[Overcast]

Unreasonably so, but at the same time quite removed. As I'm in the Navy and along with swearing, drinking, hazing, and having wild sex at every port they also did away with sporting combat unless you are signing up for a boarding squad. And I'm just not skilled enough of a swimmer for that qualification.

Also alright Seil stick around, I think the initial Conan comment was a bit iffy, but the picture made it better. I just wasn't sure exactly how far off the topic I wanted to stray after page one.

[Doc ock rokc]

I can appreciate a knowledge of weapons, though I've always wondered exactly how the mechanics of using a weapon underhanded affected your using in comparison to the overhand. I've always been taught that in any impact that I should be aiming past my opponent by quite a bit so I entail the maximum force where I end up putting it and when I think of wielding anything but a blade underhanded I get a very similar result of something reduced in comparison to if I were swinging like a bat.

The Underhanded affect power comes from the full assertion from your body. You put both your wight and momentum and strength behind the blade/staff However It is robed of reach when doing so. the force is more aimed directly at the opponent in question then anything else. You have to think of it as your Fist with a curve. You are more with your blade underhanded then you are overhanded. However it isn't without downsides. Defense is strong on the sides but weak against stabs and high/low attacks. your attacks are consuming and predictable however blocking them would throw people off. However most styles are usually done so that they can switch to overhand when needed.

[bluestarultor]

The Underhanded affect power comes from the full assertion from your body. You put both your wight and momentum and strength behind the blade/staff However It is robed of reach when doing so. the force is more aimed directly at the opponent in question then anything else. You have to think of it as your Fist with a curve. You are more with your blade underhanded then you are overhanded. However it isn't without downsides. Defense is strong on the sides but weak against stabs and high/low attacks. your attacks are consuming and predictable however blocking them would throw people off. However most styles are usually done so that they can switch to overhand when needed.

On top of that, basic staff stance holding it at the middle makes it really easy to do an underhanded strike. Kind of the point of holding it that way, really. You use both ends. It lets you do a comfortable overhand strike with either a swing or a thrust and then lets you easily shift into a powerful underhand strike with the other end.

[Seil]

I'm skipping homework in favor of Cracked and I found this. (http://www.cracked.com/funny-137-martial-arts/)

[Hatake Kakashi]

I use Kung Fu San Soo. It's what I learned many, many, MANY moons ago, and to date, I've found no method to be more effective.

However, I've recently stumbled upon a Choy Li Fut school that teaches "Drunken Boxing" forms to their more advanced students. I may just take that up.

[Buddha Fett]

In the few fights I've gotten into, I tend to favour "smooth talk them into letting their guard down, then sucker-punch them with whatever I've got to hand."

It's not exactly refined, but it got the job done.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Defensive boxing/kick boxing, I rely entirely on counters and quick foot work. As going offensive has never worked out well for me.

Kendo/finching whenever I have a sturdy long object in hand at the time.

[Azisien]

I challenge them to a pokebattle or a match of SC2, whichever they prefer really as I come prepared for both at any time.


If that doesn't work I shoot them, usually in the chest because it's the easiest place to hit. :D

[Overcast]

I've always had some interest in drunken boxing, but I don't know if I'd ever take to using it as anything other than recreational exercise. A bit like breakdancing I figure I'd have more fun choreographing movements than I might get actually using it to fight.

A sucker punch is always a good thing, especially against men. After all all it takes is one solid movement to hit at the very heart of his warrior's spirit. If you catch my drift.

I can understand being crap at offense, I only really do well in defensive grappling. So I lie back and wait for them to come to me, or try to get them to have them pull me to a compromising situation that actually enters my area of influence. But actually going forward and tackling or tossing folks is far more difficult than picking someone apart on the ground.

And yeah, if you are going to go so far as shoot someone it has likely escalated to something beyond stepping off from. May as well hit the cage full of all their important internal organs.

[Raptacular Haberdasher]

I fight like I rhyme: flawless and fast.
A punch to the face and my foes won't last.

[Hanuman]

An update on my learning progression:

I was speaking with one of my teachers (40+ years in depth tai chi) and I noticed a tiny book nestled within all of the secret tomes of picture books she collects to teach posture theory and body mechanics, this book clearly said CAPOEIRA.

I commented on it, this to me was a very very strange thing to see on her shelves as almost all forms of dance are completely opposed to forms of grounding and base martial strength that they teach, to exist without stances or "moves".

When it got right down to it, she said that most people teach it incorrectly and that over time it's lost most of it's true root, similar to how tai chi also drifted, but that capoeira is essentially tai chi in 3 dimensions. Then my head exploded.

So I did some research, and luckily for me there are dozens of schools in my area, Vancouver is one of the best places to learn it, and because of that we have 40+ year capoeira masters.

After research in my circles I pulled out Angola, which is one of the base roots of Capoeira, if you personally modify it then it becomes akin to tai chi.

Voila, respect for Capoeira

[TIME BOMB]

im experienced in tai chi.. Oh wait i mean chai tea. Especially the hot kind. Throw that in their face and then suckerpunch them when theyre down. Always worked for me.