Pie thread

[Aldurin]

What is a good kind of pie (apple, rhubarb, cherry . . .) and how would you recommend having it (eaten, thrown in face, eaten while thrown in face . . .)?

I just feel I need a better bearing on the wonderful world of pie. Because when the cake is a _lie then you only have pie to turn to (or something like that).

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

The cake is a lie. Pie stands for truth!

I like having cherry pie, rhubarb pie, pizza pie. Pie is awesome.

[Aldurin]

EDIT: Disregard former comment toward unspecified person.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Apple and pumpkin are always classic

[Fenris]

Hey EvilEarl your joke's not funny and continuously trying to find ways to get around the fraudulent cake word filter is not winning you any points.

[Flarecobra]

Amen sister!

Especally if it's Caramel Apple Pie. :D

[bluestarultor]

I happen to like pecan pie. It's good either warm or cold, with or without whipped cream or ice cream. The filling is sweet and smooth, the nuts on top give it a satisfying texture, and while it's hard to cut straight, I have never regretted having a piece.

[CelesJessa]

Rhubarb pie with vanilla ice cream is the best. Especially when the rhubarb is home-grown. (I don't know if it being home-grown really matters, but I like it when my mom makes rhubarb pie from her garden.)

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Bacon and egg is best.

[mauve]

Strawberry rhubarb pie and pumpkin pie are the best. Leftover pumpkin pie is the best breakfast food ever.

[greed]

Meat pies are great. Beef, chicken and venison. All good.

On dessert pies I've always liked lemon meringue and mince pies.

Edit : Forgot about bacon and egg, that is pretty good too.

[Flarecobra]

You know... Pizza can count too.

[Amake]

I hesitate to go against the grain on yet another topic, but I don't get pie. The crust is okay, especially sugary dessert pie crust, but I've yet to see a pie filling that's improved by being in a pie. The shell and the filling in my book never combine to become more than the sum of their parts.

Also I don't get why pizza is pie in the states.

[mauve]

Also I don't get why pizza is pie in the states. Because the USA is a magical realm where pizza is also pie.

It's an honor we bestowed upon the pizza as an act of gratitude for its efforts in keeping roughly half of the college-aged population from starving to death. The other half of the college-aged population exists on instant ramen. I'm not sure why pizza received that honor yet instant ramen remains an unsung hero. It's one of the mysteries of the universe.

[Funka Genocide]

I'm pretty sure that Cheese Cake is actually a pie. I don't care what you say to the contrary, its a victim of improper nomenclature.

But yeah, cheese cake is awesome and also a pie.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

How the shit is cheesecake a pie?
Pies are fillings encased by a layer of pastry. That has no relation to cheesecakes at all.

[Funka Genocide]

BULLSHIT!

Pies are round and have a crust, everything else is optional! GRAHAM CRACKER CRUST IS STILL A CRUST!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

What about scones? Biscuits? Cheese? Cooled soups?
All are round and have crusts.

[Amake]

What about scabs? They're round (sometimes) and have a crust. Also the Earth.

[Funka Genocide]

As loong as you can slice and eat it, its a pie. Crusts, fillings, slices and eating!

and roundness!

The earth is spherical, not round. Pies are not spherical!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

What about a quiche? That is also a pie I guess. And pretty much all cakes.
And muffins.
You description of pie is basically "Baked goods that are in a circle".

[Nikose Tyris]

With a crust, Smarty. Don't forget the crust. Not many 'cakes' have a crust. Cheesecake and a few ice cream cakes do, though. The Ice Cream Cakes with Oreo Crust would count as 'pie' under funka's definition.

[Green Spanner]

I've always been more of a savoury pie person. Steak and Kidney for example.

Also, when you go to the footie, you have to have a Balti Pie, even though your digestive tract will hate you forever. Which is fine in itself, because after you eat one, you'll hate yourself too.

[Funka Genocide]

Quiche is definitely a pie. Cake has not crust! Neither do muffins! Plus muffins and the like are designed as individual servings, negating the necessity for slicing!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

What definition of crust are you guys working with? Cause to me a crust is an outer layer of different consistency to the inner layer. And to me a crust has to cover the whole thing.
Which would cover most cakes (which tend to be softer in the middle) but defineatly not cheesecakes which really only have a crust on the bottom. There is no way muffins don't have a crust though.
And big wheels of cheese which are round and sliced and multiple serving.

You complain about individual servings but that is what pies are! They are for individual serving! I go to the bakery and buy a pie and I eat it. I don't take it back home and cut it up. You have missed this point because you threw cakes into a pie definition!
I should point out pies are the national food of NZ so we don't take kindly to you foreigners trying to sully their great name by including cakes.
Dessert pies are also pretty suspiciously close to cakes.

See I think the problem is that things like apple pie are actually cakes but they have been misnamed- like the cheesecake fiasco but opposite. That is where people are getting lead astray.
I don't know whats going on with "pia pie". I suspect drugs.

[Green Spanner]

Gentlemen, the tart.

Discuss.

[CelesJessa]

See, I was going to bring up cheesecake in my post but I knew that it would start an argument about what is pie.

I would personally define it as pie, but I guess it could just be a "dessert" it doesn't really need to be a pie or a cake. Cheesecake is so awesome it merits it's own classification.

[Funka Genocide]

Pie crust must be of a different chemical composition than the filling. Moreso, it must be a drastically different chemical composition and texture. "Muffin top" constitutes a slight variation in molecular density from the rest of the muffin and a slight texture variance, but the is not drastic enough to be considered a pie crust.

There must be a definitive point where crust ends and filling begins!

As to whether or not crust must be on all sides of the pie I believe the answer is obvious. Lemon Meringue has no top crust, and is a pie!

As to whether or not you deign to slice your pie, the point is irrelevant. What matters is the original intent in design. The pie is designed to be portioned via slicing into vaguely triangular pieces and shared amongst loved ones. Your barbaric custom of eating pie whole proves nothing!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Gentlemen, the tart.

Discuss.

A cake. End of discussion.

Pie crust must be of a different chemical composition than the filling. Moreso, it must be a drastically different chemical composition and texture. "Muffin top" constitutes a slight variation in molecular density from the rest of the muffin and a slight texture variance, but the is not drastic enough to be considered a pie crust.

There must be a definitive point where crust ends and filling begins!
That is acceptable. I was confused by the cheesecake which only has a bottom crust which I shall address below.

As to whether or not crust must be on all sides of the pie I believe the answer is obvious. Lemon Meringue has no top crust, and is a pie!
Your position is as laughable as it semantically void. Pies are a food of convience- they can be carried around whether you may go. They are a working mans food, the perfect lunch for you have to hike 40 miles to get where you are going. Thus a crust all around the pie is essential for keeping the pie together in even the most arduous of circumstances.
Pies aren't little dainty delicalices for when you sit down to hobknob with the Queen. They must be able to be carried around and eaten with the greatest of ease- thus an all encompassing crust is essential to the pie- indeed it is the identity of a pie.


As to whether or not you deign to slice your pie, the point is irrelevant. What matters is the original intent in design. The pie is designed to be portioned via slicing into vaguely triangular pieces and shared amongst loved ones. Your barbaric custom of eating pie whole proves nothing!
My point is that something that is sliceable is not, in fact, a pie. It is not a question of choice but construction. A properly constructed pie would fall apart upon slicing for that is a hoity-toity nonsense way of eating them.
Once again you are so removed from the world of the worker that you cannot concieve of a real pie so your structural signifiers need to fill the gap left by the lack of anything to point to as relates to "pie" and point to various forms of cake instead.

For shame, America, you used to be a frontier country- you used to understand the point of food. But now you have become basically the French.

[greed]

A cake. End of discussion.

What about the ones that are semi enclosed on top, by a lattice of pastry?

[Amake]

Let's have a little Swedish glossary.
Pie - Paj (also slang for "broken")
Pizza - Pizza
Cake - Kaka
Cookie - Kaka
Cupcake - Muffin
Muffin - Muffin
Danish - Wienerbröd
Tart - Tårta (also slang for pretty girl)

Confused yet?

[Funka Genocide]

A tart is like a pie, but exists within the confines of its own, antiquated definitions. A tart is the pie that could never be, a throwback to the dark ages of ignorance. A pie is the food a tart can only dream to be.

[Aldurin]

All this pie talk is making me hungry. And for those who don't like pie, you don't deserve to be on the forum.

Fen, calm down, I was only assuming the functions of this forum made sense. We don't have a swear filter but we have a meme filter, and only for certain memes. I was totally unaware and thought an admin was screwing with my post. And you never gave your position on pie.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

What about the ones that are semi enclosed on top, by a lattice of pastry?

Still a cake.
Handy guide:
If you need to get out cutlery to eat it, it's a cake.
If you can eat it while wrestling a bear, it's a pie.

[Funka Genocide]

Your outmoded concepts of pie only serve to illustrate your disconnect with the modern world. Perhaps you find some base satisfaction in your rough and uncultured confections, perhaps enjoying them as you ride about in your horse and buggy.

We of the modern era, however, have refined our sensibilities and would never partake of such delicacies whilst transitting in our motor cars powered by internal combustion engines.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

While you are sitting down at a "table" and eating with your "cutlery" and your "tophats" we are at work, producing stuff- like your table. I'm pretty sure you were the exact cause of the economic crisis with your unproductive ways.

[Funka Genocide]

You shall rue the day you ever crossed pies with me good sir!

Rue it! A lot of rueing!

[Donomni]

pumpkin pie is the best food ever.

Fixed for emphasis(You can totally tell my favorite pie, huh?)!

Also I don't get why pizza is pie in the states.

Because ~that's amore!~

But yeah, I wish restaurants had pumpkin pie all year long. It's like I'm in MSPaint Adventures. "What pumpkin pie?" Stupid awesome pie being stupid seasonal.

[Azisien]

I'm not sure if I am so quick to pick a favourite pie...I really think pie in general is just great.

Apple, blueberry, rhubarb, pumpkin, pecan, whatever! It's all just good and generally enhanced by whipped cream or ice cream.


I also really want to try a bacon and egg pie, because god damn.

[Wigmund]

Key Lime Pie is delicious.

Also, where do cobblers fit into the grand scheme of pies vs cakes?

Still a cake.
Handy guide:
If you need to get out cutlery to eat it, it's a cake.
If you can eat it while wrestling a bear, it's a pie.

So according to you...
PIES!
http://4and20pastycompany.com/images/022-Curry-Beef-Pasty.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.slashfood.com/media/2008/09/single-apple-turnover.jpg

CAKE!
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2010/03/how_to_drive_a_mathematician_c/Pumpkin_Pie_lg.jpeg
http://jainhollie.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/20080711-tom-selleck-cake1.jpg

[Terex4]

America needs to convert everything to pie form. We had that thread showing what's available on a stick, its time for pies to take the stand.

Smarty's ideas regarding portable food in pie form has given me ideas. I suck at cooking though so I'm going to try to talk my wife into undergoing this experiment for me.

Also pumpkin cheesecake makes pumpkin pie taste like crap. Its that good.

[Seil]

http://mikediluigi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/piechart.jpghttp://www.foundshit.com/pictures/food/bacon-apple-pie.jpg

[BitVyper]

Pie kind of sucks. Sorry everyone, I hate to be the one to have to tell you you're all wrong.

[krogothwolf]

What about a Pizza Pie?

[bluestarultor]

What about a Pizza Pie?

No need to try to convert him. If a guy doesn't like pie, he doesn't like pie. They're born that way, and there's nothing wrong with them.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Esteemed Gentlepersons (and Fenris), I have a proposal:

Bacon Pie

Possible?

[krogothwolf]

Esteemed Gentlepersons (and Fenris), I have a proposal:

Bacon Pie

Possible?

It's alright, I messed mine up and made it a bit greasy.

I made a Bacon/Chicken pie that was really good though.

[Aldurin]

Pie kind of sucks. Sorry everyone, I hate to be the one to have to tell you you're all wrong.

No need to try to convert him. If a guy doesn't like pie, he doesn't like pie. They're born that way, and there's nothing wrong with them.

I know, you can't change their free will. So the only option left is to execute them (or mix them into the gene pool if you want more pie for yourself).

Esteemed Gentlepersons (and Fenris), I have a proposal:

Bacon Pie

Possible?

That . . . that sounds amazing.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

You shall rue the day you ever crossed pies with me good sir!

Rue it! A lot of rueing!

All my rue is contained in a solid pastry coating where it can't escape.





So according to you...
PIES!
http://4and20pastycompany.com/images/022-Curry-Beef-Pasty.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.slashfood.com/media/2008/09/single-apple-turnover.jpg

CAKE!
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2010/03/how_to_drive_a_mathematician_c/Pumpkin_Pie_lg.jpeg
http://jainhollie.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/20080711-tom-selleck-cake1.jpg

Your cake examples are defineatly cakes. I don't know what kind of crazy bullshit was in your pie examples. Like it someone who understood the technical nature of a pie without really "getting" what a pie is.
It's a good first attempt.



Pie kind of sucks. Sorry everyone, I hate to be the one to have to tell you you're all wrong.

Have you had real pies?

Esteemed Gentlepersons (and Fenris), I have a proposal:

Bacon Pie

Possible?


While a lot of pies have bacon, bacon and mushroom pies are awesome, I don't think bacon has the consistency to hold a pie together all by itself. You need extra stuff.

[Corel]

And with that said, I think I'm going to make an apple pie.

Anyone got some tips on what I can do to spice it up a bit, or got some alternative recipes? I tend to put a bit of cinnamon with the apples. Tried adding some Vanilla extract to the crust at one point which came out a bit different.

[Magus]

I had some blueberry cobbler the other day, it was pretty fantastic.

I think cobbler counts as a type of pie, as it is almost the same except the top crust is really thick over the filling, and I'm not sure if there is a bottom crust, either. I guess this is why it is in the sub-class of "cobbler", but I'm definitely sure that it isn't in the greater class of "cake" so it definitely seems to come under "pie" in my opinion.

Thoughts?

EDIT: Just as a note, a cobbler should not be confused with a buckle as a buckle is a pie filling drizzled over what seems to be a piece of cake, so I'm pretty sure buckles come under the heading of cake and not pie.