You all have so very many opinions about me [Archive]

Fifthfiend

08-05-2010, 02:15 PM

Oh shiney, you always know how to say the stupidest thing.

So okay let's go down the line.

I post a wacky thread that I think will be fun for people, such as I've you know, always done here.

Various people including Hawk, Nique, Krogoth, and Bard decide to shit it up by making the thread about their douchey opinions of the thread and me.

Brian, ace forum-runner that he is, decides to not do anything about this, and continue making the thread about people's douchey opinions about me.

Since, hey, mods aren't going to do anything about this, I post a thread where people can post their dreadful, crushing opinions about me, hoping that people who want to do that can do it in that thread, and the other thread can be for people to do fun posts in that they'll enjoy.

POS merges that thread back into the first thread, because apparently I'm supposed to accept that any thread I start is actually supposed to be a thread about people's douchey opinions of me.

I remake the thread cause, again, I actually didn't want my thread shitted up with that sort of thing, and POS bans me for not going along with the "Everybody shit up Fifth's thread" policy this forum is apparently enforcing.

In my absence, the thread continues being about people's various douchey opinions about me.

When I come back, I repost the thread for people's douchey opinions along with the thread I was trying to do in the first place, in hopes that maybe I'd actually get to do that second thread I wanted to do.

I know you think that this constitutes ya'll acting like super-lenient Bigger Mans. Because hey, you thought permabanning me, then sending POS to my twitter two months later to go "oh uh, takebacks" is being the Bigger Mans. But to me you're being the same bullying dumbfuck that you've long since decided to be. Which I mean I realize that the other half of being a bullying dumbfuck is continually reassuring yourself what an excellent noble dude you actually are, so I guess this is really just par.

If I wanted to get back into shit when I came back I would have gone back up to that thread where you permabanned me and explained to you all the many, many reasons why you're a stupid fuck and why that was fucking stupid. Instead of that what I've tried to do is the same shit I've done for the entire six years I've been a member of this forum, and since I've been back I haven't kicked up any shit that someone else hasn't kicked up first.

Like I've said, any time you want to actually be the bigger man, feel free to 1. fire yourself, and then 2. permaban yourself, and then we can talk about who the bigger man is. Barring that, you guys really want to impress me you could try to like, not yourselves actively dumbfuck at me for doing the same things I've pretty much always done. Or hey you could try doing your actual jobs for a change and dealing with people who actually need it, like the people who feel obligated to shit up every thread I make with their douchey opinions about me.

Or not, and I can keep on doing what I can do and you can do whatever it is you're gonna do about it, because at this point I really only give a shit about being able to post here to the extent that I can post the shit I wanna post and have fun with it, and if ya'll wanna decide your job is to keep that from happening then I truly don't give a fuck about whether I continue to be an unbanned member of this particular webforum.

Bard The 5th LW

08-05-2010, 02:25 PM

Various people including Hawk, Nique, Krogoth, and Bard decide to shit it up by making the thread about their douchey opinions of the thread and me.

When you make a thread that is about nothing, you can't really complain when it gets derailed.

Fifthfiend

08-05-2010, 02:26 PM

Since I've come in here, might as well clear up some misconceptions for the rest of you and your various opinions about meeeeeeeeeeeeee

Wish you could get over this phase and be back to being a cool and all, but now it's just getting annoying.

You used to be funny but now you're kinda stale.

Also you just got burned by Mac so that should say something too I guess.

Sorry guys, there is no magical Cool Guy Fifth who disappeared one day and got replaced with me. This is me being the same dude I've always done; if how you look at that has changed, that is unfortunately completely, utterly and entirely your deal.

I mean maybe instead of just creating crap threads and then having people crap all over the threads we can identify a particular thread where it's like 'ok this is the thread for us dukin' it out verbal style yo, airing grievances and whatnot for realz' and then the rest of us won't be like 'oh I bet this thread is gonna be crazy fifthfiend antics happy omg double rainbow super fun time'

It's maybe like that's exactly what this is, a shit thread for people to shit up with their shit, because a lot of ya'll are completely incapable of not doing that.

If you wanna know when a thread is meant to be me calling someone out or whatever, here is a handy guide: it will contain the words "_______________, you are a dumb fuck, you should stop being 1. a fuck, and 2. dumb", because I am completely willing to be exactly that blunt with you. Because I care. Bar that, if you see me posting a thread labeled "RPG", wherein I play a ridiculous wikipedia-expert desperate to sell you his opinions on things for the low low price of you paying attention to his opinions about things, it's probably just you know, a joke, and you could try like, playing along or something, instead of being all IT'S FORUM CELEBRITY FIFTH ENGAGING IN HIS BIZZARE AND DISROUPTIVE BEHAUVIOIR HURF URF A DURF DURF or whatever it is you people are doing these days.

Rejected Again

08-05-2010, 02:41 PM

/popcorn.

See, NOW this thread is getting funny. Carry on Fifth.

Mirai Gen

08-05-2010, 04:26 PM

Hey. Mods.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1061969&postcount=64

:knowledge:

I mean I'm just saying you guys are pretty hilariously terrible at your jobs at paying attention even when someone dances naked in front of you holding a big neon sign that says "HAY GUYS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED"

Fenris

08-05-2010, 04:28 PM

Didn't you quit?

Mirai Gen

08-05-2010, 04:30 PM

Doin' it Meister style!

Fenris

08-05-2010, 04:32 PM

Nobody asked you to come back though, so I'm not really seein' the parallels.

Nique

08-05-2010, 06:30 PM

Various people including Hawk, Nique, Krogoth, and Bard decide to shit it up by making the thread about their douchey opinions of the thread and me.

I guess I don't keep up with forum-drama-bullshit enough to know that jokingly comparing you to an out of control celebrity would be taken so personally. I honestly thought you knew me better than that.

I mean, on the one hand yeah I kind of see how that can be sort of insulting in the context of whatever you and shiney butt heads about in what is now a regular feature of the forum, but on the other hand holy hell are you being a douchebag about it right now.

It's maybe like that's exactly what this is, a shit thread for people to shit up with their shit, because a lot of ya'll are completely incapable of not doing that.

No this was a thread meant to antagonize whoever you're upset with (which apparently includes me now, don't think I'm not saddened by that). What I was talking about was more of a legitimate discussion that serves to 1) highlight what all this is about because now that you guys (yeah, mods too) have subjected us to this, I think those of us who are lost deserve to know. And 2) for you guys to discuss this like some goddamn adults.

Everyone involved keeps saying something along the lines of 'Oh it's just an internet forum' which is just such utter bravado baloney. I mean the smell of mixed-meat grease is palpable. If you guys didn't care about this place or whatever then fifthfiend would leave of his own accord and shiney would shut the whole damn thing down and be done with it.

playing along or something, instead of being all IT'S FORUM CELEBRITY FIFTH ENGAGING IN HIS BIZZARE AND DISROUPTIVE BEHAUVIOIR HURF URF A DURF DURF or whatever it is you people are doing these days

I know I addressed this already but I want to make it clear that just becuase some people you don't like took a joke I made and ran with it doesn't have squat to do with the intention of the joke, which was pretty much just drawing attention to the fact that your recent posts have been a little crazier than usual and, even deeper, 'Ah, nice to have fifthfiend back again'.

Any legitimate (intended) criticism was intended for you and shiney ( + mods). I (think) I know you better than to blow up over nothing, and I can see that they have been getting on your case without bothering to figure out exactly what it is you're trying to accomplish in addition to just flat out antagonizing you.

On the other hand, your use of humor and crazy randomness has appeared somewhat underhanded (this thread) and I can see how they might think 'Well damn he's pissed er something and trolling up our forum, pretty sure we have rules for that'

Just... all you guys, God, I dunno, either lay it all out or stop making this such a public spectacle.

I mean I'm just saying you guys are pretty hilariously terrible at your jobs at paying attention even when someone dances naked in front of you holding a big neon sign that says "HAY GUYS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED"

Also this, yes.

Fenris

08-05-2010, 06:41 PM

Also this, yes.

I'm not even going to dig into why Mirai is wrong, but rest assured, quitting for 5 months and only viewing fifth's blog/twitter for NPF-related news is not the best way to get a clear, objective opinion on things, especially things regarding fifth.

I'd say it's slightly more foolish than watching Fox News.

krogothwolf

08-05-2010, 06:46 PM

Various people including Hawk, Nique, Krogoth, and Bard decide to shit it up by making the thread about their douchey opinions of the thread and me.

Because it looks like to some of us that you're going around posting these things as a way to antagonize the mods. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and then sorry for taking that view, but that's what it looks like to me so it does get slightly annoying to see it.

shiney

08-05-2010, 06:50 PM

Just popping in for this point: fifth may be pissed at me, but don't act like this is a two-way street. The only upset I have any longer is that this keeps being dragged out and brought up. I'm not interested in the supposed fight that exists between us except in the sense of wanting to keep the peace on my forum.

Edited to remove the rest. Fuck it, yknow? Fifth is welcome here as it stands, I think I made that pretty clear when I asked the mod team if he should be unbanned and they were all like "Yeah" so the ball is entirely in his court. Fifth, what do you say, stay or go? Your choice from this point on.

Archbio

08-05-2010, 06:51 PM

[Rest] assured, quitting for 5 months and only viewing fifth's blog/twitter for NPF-related news is not the best way to get a clear, objective opinion on things, especially things regarding fifth.

Did Nique, who is agreeing with Mirai on this, quit for 5 months and only viewed fifth's blog/twitter for NPF-related news?

Did I? Because I also kind of agree with Nique/01d55 on this.

As long as it's considered relevant. I'll show myself out.

Fenris

08-05-2010, 07:06 PM

You didn't quit but you did miss the point.

Fifth's thread was derailed, as threads with little to no substance are wont to be. The thread's subject became fifth himself, after Nique made a joke likening fifth to an out of control celebrity. Fifth makes a separate thread for the new topic. The moderatorial staff, namely POS, decided that maybe two threads (considering the first one was pretty much permanently derailed by that point) dedicated to fifth wasn't going to work out so well so he remerged them. Rather than go "Hey dude I was for serious trying to get that first thread back on topic that you couldn't tell was supposed to be remain on topic because I do stupid shit with my thread tags for lulz" fifth went "Naw fuck dat shit I'mma make that thread again because I'm cool like dat." POS decided that fifth needed to learn how to interact with the mods and that repeatedly doing the same shit that is obviously not kosher with no explanation was worth a 1 day temp ban.

Now, fifth's ban expires and he decides to remake the thread. Rather than give him another ban, we decide to simply close the other thread down and use this one for opinions regarding fifth, wherein only one opinion is offered (Fifth's not funny anymore and he needs to tone it down) and he goes off his rocker again, condemning shiney and the rest of the mods blah blah blah.

This is how it happened.

Kim

08-05-2010, 07:25 PM

Members: Quit getting raging Fifth-boners every time he starts a thread. It makes him feel awkward, uncomfortable, and gives him flashbacks to his senior prom.

Fifth: Quit getting upset at POS for doing EXACTLY what you would have done in his position and I can cite examples.

Mods: Make me a sandwich, goddammit.

Premmy

08-05-2010, 07:33 PM

I think there's a lot of misinformation going around:

What the mods think: "Fifth is going around purposefully doing shit to fuck with us"
What Fifth thinks: "I'm going around making silly threads as I usually do, then mods come in and fuck with me"
What NPFplebes think: "Fifth is going around sticking it to the mods lololololol, let's go on and on about that"
What mods think: "see? the rest of the forums agree with us! we should take action" *actions*
Fifth: "so called it, bull-shit ass mods"

The "proper"(drama preventing) response on the mods part would have been to go " this thread is going off topic" in mod-colors before it went so quickly, especially considering all the drama floating around it, and if that didn't work, close it and go say privately "man fifth, sorry but they were trying to stir up shit too much"

What happened was Fifth responded somewhat the way a mod would( Thread managing) and then, because of what's going on, things got ridiculous.

The "proper" response by fifth to what they DID would have been "fuck this thread, you douches take it, I'm not going to try and get it back on topic" or "I'm going to say it in here once, and if it doesn't, I'm outtie 5000, get back on topic and stop stirring up shit"

What happened on this side was, fifth was getting insulted and annoyed because of all the things floating around and tried to do things peacefully instead of actvely going "ya'lls is doucehbags, stop fucking up my shit" which would have been the more appropriate response(kinda)

synkr0nized

08-05-2010, 07:36 PM

Mods: Make me a sandwich, goddammit.

You forgot to go get the bread. HOW CAN I LOVE YOU IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE?!

Also, less random situation analysis and more moving on to less fruitless things.

Fenris

08-05-2010, 07:37 PM

Prem, you're kinda right but at the same time not at all. We had no idea what fifth was getting at because he refuses to tag his threads properly so we are forced to assume that he doesn't give two shits about on-topicness, especially considering his history. So, while it might have been best to go "hey this is getting off topic" we really had no hint that the thread was meant to remain on topic when it was made, because the majority of fifth's threads basically go wherever the wind carries them so why should this one be any different?

This is only speaking from the moderators' perspective.

Premmy

08-05-2010, 07:39 PM

I barely pay attention to that tag stuff myself, to be honest, and just go by the context of the thread...

Fenris

08-05-2010, 07:40 PM

That tag stuff is for our benefit when it comes to handling off-topicness. The tone of the thread started silly and went silly so really we made the only choice we could have made logically.

EVEN IF there were no tags, I guarantee it would have been handled the same way because it was handled the correct way.

Premmy

08-05-2010, 07:43 PM

Silly=/= RANDOMINVADERZIMBADWEBCOMICSLOLCATS!

Both
"yo mama"
and
"CHEESELIZARDS!!"
are silly, but they have nothing to do with each other

Nique

08-05-2010, 07:44 PM

I'm not even going to dig into why Mirai is wrong, but rest assured, quitting for 5 months and only viewing fifth's blog/twitter for NPF-related news is not the best way to get a clear, objective opinion on things, especially things regarding fifth.

Wait. Mirai did that, or, I did that? Cause I didn't do that. In fact I'm pretty sure Fifth was still a mod by the time I came back and I didn't read his blog/twitter worth beans.

EDIT: Like seriously, my reaction to all of this is more along the lines of 'OH GOD OH GOD WHAT IS HAPPENING'.

Fenris

08-05-2010, 07:44 PM

@Prem: Yeah but none of that is what happened so your strawman is duly noted.

@Nique: Mirai did that, and then I posted a few paragraphs up there that aren't a tl;dr so you should go check that out.

Seil

08-05-2010, 07:50 PM

Why is it I'm imagining the Joker's line in The Dark Knight:

"I think you and I are destined to do this forever. "

Fifth and the mods aren't superheroes, why am I thinking about that?

Nique

08-05-2010, 07:51 PM

Yeah yeah I read that stuff I can't say I particularly disagree on any point. I just meant whenever this stuff comes up I kind of don't get it.

EDIT: Ugh. Seil, just... don't.

krogothwolf

08-05-2010, 07:51 PM

Why is it I'm imagining the Joker's line in The Dark Knight:

"I think you and I are destined to do this forever. "

I'm surprised this wasn't a picture or a link to some weird news article!

Honestly though this whole thing would be best served in private away from us all so then everyone else doesn't get involved in it, because NPF likes to be stupid and get involved in shit.

synkr0nized

08-05-2010, 07:53 PM

Fifth and the mods aren't superheroes, [...]

Well, I am.

Nique

08-05-2010, 07:54 PM

That goes without saying.

Fenris

08-05-2010, 07:55 PM

Krogo, I disagree. We've tried discussions in private and they just led to wharbgl on both sides but this public discussion about what's happening is going quite swimmingly, with civility all around.

synkr0nized

08-05-2010, 08:41 PM

Well, a lot of you are wearing monocles.

Nique

08-05-2010, 08:44 PM

Well, a lot of you are wearing monocles.

ARGH. Damn you, good sir. Damn you for stealing my amusing joke!

stefan

08-05-2010, 09:06 PM

I like how a drama storm has been going on for months now because two mods got into a bitchfight over how obvious a troll was.

seriously. I am disappoint.

Fenris

08-05-2010, 09:08 PM

I like how a drama storm has been going on for months now because two mods got into a bitchfight over how obvious a troll was.

seriously. I am disappoint.

Me too, buddy.

krogothwolf

08-05-2010, 09:33 PM

Krogo, I disagree. We've tried discussions in private and they just led to wharbgl on both sides but this public discussion about what's happening is going quite swimmingly, with civility all around.

Well, I suppose you are right. Civility is a good thing after all.

All I know is I see fifth doing things that seemingly are the cause to aggravate mods and you guys are being lenient to him because he is holding a grudge, which is understandable because emotions are odd. Then he finally gets called on something and gets angry again.

Fifthfiend

08-05-2010, 10:31 PM

We had no idea what fifth was getting at because he refuses to tag his threads properly so we are forced to assume that he doesn't give two shits about on-topicness, especially considering his history. So, while it might have been best to go "hey this is getting off topic" we really had no hint that the thread was meant to remain on topic when it was made, because the majority of fifth's threads basically go wherever the wind carries them so why should this one be any different?

Actually, a thread's relative on/off topicness doesn't reflect on whether it needs people deliberately trying to kill it and/or make it into a series of passive-aggressive insults against a particular person.

Prem, you're kinda right but at the same time not at all. We had no idea what fifth was getting at because he refuses to tag his threads properly

I actually tag them exactly properly, it continually amazes me that you guys either don't, or are so balls-ass serious now that you won't get the joke.

herein only one opinion is offered (Fifth's not funny anymore and he needs to tone it down)
:rolleyes:

he goes off his rocker again
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's amazing, when you say these things how palpably you want them to be true.

Oh speaking of which

I think I will dub this, the Joaquin Phoenix phase for Fifthly.

So Mac posted this and I was like dang dude why you gotta be a jerk and he was like nah man I was just playin', I'll delete it. And then he did. And then I guess one of the modstaff decided to undelete it.

Because undeleting deleted comments to make it look like people all totally hate me super-hard to deth... isn't the pettiest thing pretty much, like, ever.

Fifthfiend

08-05-2010, 10:33 PM

Fifth: Quit getting upset at POS for doing EXACTLY what you would have done in his position and I can cite examples.

Tch.

I asked Nonsie for these examples and he didn't get back to me, so I had to look them up m'self.

So here's me giving Nikose a ban for being a jerk about other people's silly threads.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=651884

Here's me banning adamark for being a dick to Nonsie about a thread he posted.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=672111

Here's me saying that a thread being silly and not having a strong topic DOESN'T mean that it's cool to go in that thread and, e.g., tell people to choke on dicks.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=920864

Here's Zilla doing a Self Indulgent Thread that's all about Herrrrrrrrrrr and me not shitting it up and also, other people not shitting it up, and it basically being a good thread. Used to be we could do that.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=852003

Here's me telling people to take me-related skeeviness out of a thread where that wasn't the point, to a thread designated for that purpose

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=942000

Here's me banning a guy for being a stalker

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=923147

Not really related I'm just kind of proud of myself for that one.

Here's someone posting a thread about Scrappy Doo, and me managing to post in it without shitting all over it, even if it was not, in my opinion, A Very Good Thread.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=863194

Here's me explaining my view that when people are acting like jerks, and other people react to the people acting like jerks, you throw the ban at the people who started out acting like jerks.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=992037&postcount=237

I suppose you could point to this thread

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=35918

Except that it was like, the sixth drunkthread we'd had by that point, IIRC it had nothing resembling a point (actually nothing resembling a point, not Fenris's thing where he pretends he cant figure out the point of my last thread), and you know, generally in no way comparable to the thread that I posted.

So yes, I am sure you can find whichever example of me closing or letting people make fun of some particular awful thread, but on balance I've tried to err on the side of 1. not shitting on people's parades, and 2. stopping other people from shitting on other people's parades.

Pretty sure the situation that would actually be analogous to all this here - multiple threads of a person's getting trolled (and by trolled I mean Mike literally saying "I am trolling this thread"( and me doing nothing to anybody except the person being trolled for posting threads here on this forum - doesn't exist.

I know there's this irresistible temptation for some people to lecture me on what I would have done as a moderator, as if I know nothing whatsoever about that particular topic, but you know, maybe you should go ahead and resist anyway.

Thanks for obligating me to spend alla that time in my own posts though Nonsie, good lookin' out.

Fenris

08-05-2010, 10:40 PM

Actually, a thread's relative on/off topicness doesn't reflect on whether it needs people deliberately trying to kill it and/or make it into a series of passive-aggressive insults against a particular person.

I actually tag them exactly properly, it continually amazes me that you guys either don't, or are so balls-ass serious now that you won't get the joke. As far as I can tell the only joke is "man tags are dum lollll" and that's only if I stretch the definition of "joke" to include "things that aren't funny."

It's amazing, when you say these things how palpably you want them to be true. It's damn true and you know it. Pretending otherwise isn't helping.

So Mac posted this and I was like dang dude why you gotta be a jerk and he was like nah man I was just playin', I'll delete it. And then he did. And then I guess one of the modstaff decided to undelete it.

Because undeleting deleted comments to make it look like people all totally hate me super-hard to deth... isn't the pettiest thing pretty much, like, ever.

Okay what the balls. Yeah that's totally inappropriate and once I find out who did it and why words will be had.

Fifthfiend

08-05-2010, 10:48 PM

As far as I can tell the only joke is "man tags are dum lollll" and that's only if I stretch the definition of "joke" to include "things that aren't funny."

Tagging a thread about TWITTER as MUSIC, tagging threads in which I play a role as RPG, man, just... man really, I'm gonna start posting an "explaining the joke" reference guide so I make sure ya'll keep up with these things.

It's damn true and you know it. Pretending otherwise isn't helping.

Four people including you posting anything like that opinion you were talking about, Mac posting what I already know was Mac fucking with me the way Mac does, and various other posts including Nique saying what Nique already explained was meant to be Nique saying that both sides are in the wrong. Yes, totes one opinion on offer in this thread. :rolleyes:

And yes, so very off my rocker. With my bitterness, and my tinfoil, and my reactionaryness, and my Personal Satans I think I just hit bingo! and all the various other things you guys say because you're not really very good at making arguments or addressing mine. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Man throwin' in this

I'm not even going to dig into why Mirai is wrong, but rest assured, quitting for 5 months and only viewing fifth's blog/twitter for NPF-related news is not the best way to get a clear, objective opinion on things, especially things regarding fifth.

I'd say it's slightly more foolish than watching Fox News.

Holy lol. I'd dig into why you're wrong but no okay, I will:

The amount of NPF-related posting on my Twitter/blog prior to you guys coming and bugging me on my Twitter/blog was so low that hell, I didn't even need a tag for it. Fuck, most of the reason I even came back after leaving, post-Mashie's GET ON YA HORSE bit, was people IMing me every two minutes about every terrible thread goin' on and the terrible modding you guys were doing in 'em.

This is just like, are My Personal Satans teaching classes in saying things you don't know things about?

Fenris

08-05-2010, 11:00 PM

Tagging a thread about TWITTER as MUSIC,Yes because social media websites are totally music!
tagging threads in which I play a role as RPG,When the role you play is invariably "no different than usual" then maybe you should "start posting an 'explaining the joke' reference guide," because I sure as hell don't get your jokes.

Four people including you
Enh, I've had better.

D for content and C for effort. Kinda weak.

Not even worth of the Kanye meme.

You used to be funny but now you're kinda stale.

Also you just got burned by Mac so that should say something too I guess.

Wish you could get over this phase and be back to being a cool and all, but now it's just getting annoying.

Unlike fermented fruit juices... this stuff doesn't get better with age.

As far as I can gauge here's where we're at:

Forum (mostly) likes the mods.

Forum (mostly) likes Fifthfiend.

Forum (everybody ever oh god there's so many of us) is sicker than crap of infighting crap they don't give two craps about. It seems silly (and annoying to the rest of us) to antagonize each other is all I'm sayin.

It is.

Yes, totes one opinion on offer in this thread. :rolleyes:

Yeah, pretty much one opinion. "This isn't funny anymore."

And yes, so very off my rocker. With my bitterness, and my tinfoil, and my reactionaryness, and all the various other things you guys say because you're not any good at making arguments or addressing mine. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You've yet to make an actual point other than "You guys are being mean and doing poor moderation" which we have responded to repeatedly. The rest of your points are nothing more than personal attacks which aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

Holy lol. I'd dig into why you're wrong but no okay, I will:

The amount of NPF-related posting on my Twitter/blog prior to you guys coming and bugging me on my Twitter/blog was so low that hell, I didn't even need a tag for it. Fuck, most of the reason I even came back after leaving, post-Mashie's GET ON YA HORSE bit, was people IMing me every two minutes about every terrible thread goin' on and the terrible modding you guys were doing in 'em.

Yes, us coming along to tell you "hey you're unbanned." Such a terrible thing we have done! After such point you could have simply posted "thanks but no thanks" and been done with it but instead you decided that a huge ass post saying why we're all terrible people and yadda yadda. So, we (mostly me) come to say "hey there's a reason we acted this way" and you, of course, simply blew us off and well fast forward a month and here we are.

Fenris

08-05-2010, 11:02 PM

But no really I think that we've covered a lot of ground and made a lot of proghttp://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/044/032/original/heart-attack.jpg?1269304723

synkr0nized

08-05-2010, 11:07 PM

I guess I should've bolded the "silly to antagonize each other" bit from Nique's post as to what I was opining... opinioning...opinionalogizing on.

Also there's no paper being printed here. :crossarms:

Fenris

08-05-2010, 11:08 PM

Also there's no paper being printed here. :crossarms:

Fifth, can you write up that "explaining the joke reference guide" you were talkin' about?

The Kneumatic Pnight

08-05-2010, 11:10 PM

Yes because social media websites are totally music!

twitter (?tw?t?)
�noun
a twittering sound, esp of a bird

that's only if I stretch the definition of "joke" to include "things that aren't funny."

which aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
:crossarms:

Fenris

08-05-2010, 11:11 PM

twitter (?tw?t?)
�noun
a twittering sound, esp of a bird

I understood that. But I wasn't aware that birds were musically related outside of the realm of crappy MIDI sounds.

:crossarms:

The Kneumatic Pnight

08-05-2010, 11:14 PM

I understood that. But I wasn't aware that birds were musically related outside of the realm of crappy MIDI sounds.

:crossarms:

birdsong (?b??d?s??)
�noun
the musical call of a bird or birds

Fenris

08-05-2010, 11:15 PM

:crossarms:

Kim

08-05-2010, 11:24 PM

Fifth, as far as I can tell, you basically made the other thread so people would take the terrible that was ruining your thread somewhere else. It was a thread made specifically to be terrible. You've closed threads for being terrible, with that as your given reason. You've said outright that the mod staff should be able legislate taste to keep terrible stuff out of the forums. I think POS' decision to merge the threads was in line with that.

As for the banning? You repeatedly did something with full knowledge that POS, a member of the mod staff, didn't want you doing it, and then you basically dared him to ban you for it. That is childish as hell. This is what people like Frogman did when they pulled stupid shit. "Well, I guess the mods will just go ahead and ban me won't they!" as if saying it makes you immune to banning. After this, you got upset about being banned. This is ridiculous, and all because you couldn't just try talking to POS like an adult. You had to go out of your way to antagonize him. Even when he banned you, he wasn't especially rude about it or anything. When you were a mod, you would have posted a sarcastic gif mocking the poster at the very least.

You want links to when you said you said the mods could legislate taste, when you closed a thread for being terrible, and when you've banned someone for going out of their way to start shit with you? I'll provide them later. Right now, I've got a migraine, and dollars to dimes going through all this is only going to make it worse.

You're a great guy. I consider you a friend. You're funny, smart, and I enjoy our conversations. That does not mean that I won't say when you're in the wrong. I've tried to avoid it, because I knew you'd only treat it as another person getting on the "pick on Fifth train", and I really didn't feel like pissing off a friend needlessly, but you really need to look at what's going on and realize that maybe, just this once, you might be in the wrong.

People being douches to you in this thread? Yeah. It's out of line. Mods probably should have said something about it, but I'm not surprised they didn't. They aren't exactly going to be eager to defend the guy who keeps going out of his way to demean even the mods who tried to be good to him.

synkr0nized

08-05-2010, 11:26 PM

:crossarms:

:crossarms:
:crossarms::crossarms::crossarms::crossarms: :crossarms::crossarms::crossarms:
:crossarms::crossarms:
:crossarms:

http://home.comcast.net/~synkr0nized/forumz/crossphis.gif

Krylo

08-05-2010, 11:28 PM

@Fenris: Don't think the 'you're wrong' thing is helping at this point.

@Fifth: You hurt a lot of feelings with some of your blog posts I guess. I don't know how valid that is. I didn't read them. Mostly because I didn't want to lose any more respect for you than absolutely necessary. I do, however, know, that the mod staff has felt personally attacked and hurt by what you've said. Particularly the ones who used to be your friends and who went to bat for you and who wanted you back.

Maybe some acknowledgement that, maybe, IF there is some poor treatment going on, it's because you said some nasty things about them?

Also, in so much as, hey, MAYBE POS didn't have to merge those threads, and MAYBE it should have been obvious what was happening, repeatedly remaking the thread was entirely the wrong way to handle it.

You're right, you wouldn't have closed threads or shit all over them when you were a mod for especially those things. And, hey, I'm not going to presume as to whether or not you would have gotten on someone's case for remaking a thread multiple times, without talking to you about it, after you'd merged/deleted/locked it twice already. I will, however, say that when I was an admin our moderation styles were pretty similar and I would have gotten on someone's case for it.

Weren't you and POS friends at one point? Couldn't you have like, civilly asked him why he was closing your thread? Maybe explained you didn't want it shit on with all the opinionating on you?

And maybe POS could have talked to you about it, too, but maybe POS didn't feel comfortable doing so because of the way he's been treated by you recently.

Not to say it doesn't go both ways here, but just tossing all the blame away from yourself doesn't help anyone. All it does is toss Fenris/POS/whomever else on the defensive, and then, feeling attacked, they attack you, or turtle up, and then you attack back or get offended at situations that could have been resolved with communication, and it's just a huge downward spiral of hurt feelings.

It's been how many months? Over an internet forum? It's time to let it go.

Honestly, I'd love it if you could come back as the dude you used to be, but I don't see it happening without you acknowledging that while, yes, you were shit on first, and badly, you're not helping things by not accepting any responsibility for the continued hostilities.

POS Industries

08-05-2010, 11:34 PM

So Mac posted this and I was like dang dude why you gotta be a jerk and he was like nah man I was just playin', I'll delete it. And then he did. And then I guess one of the modstaff decided to undelete it.

Because undeleting deleted comments to make it look like people all totally hate me super-hard to deth... isn't the pettiest thing pretty much, like, ever.
You're right. It was petty and overly impulsive of me and I apologize to both you and Mac for it.

It will not happen again.

Fenris

08-05-2010, 11:37 PM

@Fenris: Don't think the 'you're wrong' thing is helping at this point.

You're absolutely correct. I'm getting too personally invested in this argument and that's never a good thing. Apologies as well.

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope

08-06-2010, 03:00 AM

You're right. It was petty and overly impulsive of me and I apologize to both you and Mac for it.

It will not happen again.

No worries man. I was out of line my self. Everyone makes mistakes.

Nique

08-06-2010, 04:20 AM

As your penance I hereby with normal-forum-member authority ban all former and current admins and moderators for any and all douchey behavior real or imagined.

Everyone else? Go nuts! Let's talk about pie.

Nique

08-06-2010, 04:26 AM

Hm. Didn't work. Where's my control panel?

Rejected Again

08-06-2010, 05:52 AM

Let's talk about pie.

Apple> All pie.

Professor Smarmiarty

08-06-2010, 06:24 AM

We've already covered this in a previous thread. Nothing with fruit in it is properly a pie.

Magic_Marker

08-06-2010, 10:05 AM

Besides, Cheesecake is better.

Terex4

08-06-2010, 10:12 AM

These days "This thread is now about pie" seems to have the same connotation as "How bout those dodgers?". We need a new thread jack meme.

Fenris

08-06-2010, 10:14 AM

I never got joke mod power even when everybody else got it :(

Stunts like this are why. You're a loose cannon, Nique. We can't afford to have somebody like that on the force.

Magic_Marker

08-06-2010, 10:28 AM

These days "This thread is now about pie" seems to have the same connotation as "How bout those dodgers?". We need a new thread jack meme.

Son, did you just post shit in a thread about drama regarding thread shitting? Shit, man, that's like layers of shit. We're apporaching meta levels of thread shit now.

You must really, really, hate pie. We should join a team.

Azisien

08-06-2010, 12:05 PM

Son, did you just post shit in a thread about drama regarding thread shitting? Shit, man, that's like layers of shit. We're apporaching meta levels of thread shit now.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/Azisien/heard-you-like-dreams-e1280242797220.png

krogothwolf

08-06-2010, 12:31 PM

Stunts like this are why. You're a loose cannon, Nique. We can't afford to have somebody like that on the force.

Can't we just pair him up with a by the books pencil in the ass partner? Think of the comedy!

Fenris

08-06-2010, 12:33 PM

Can't we just pair him up with a by the books pencil in the ass partner? Think of the comedy!

I don't need a partner, thankyouverymuch. :crossarms:

CelesJessa

08-06-2010, 12:41 PM

I don't need a partner, thankyouverymuch. :crossarms:

Son, if you're going to work on this force, you're going to have to play by our rules.

Ecks

08-06-2010, 02:11 PM

Well, a lot of you are wearing monocles.

That's it, Fenris, you have to put a monocle on your avatar now.

Also, goddammit I missed the Drama Llama again. It's like that "10 Minutes After You Leave" Party Bus... full of strippers and midgets and balloons... always a couple of blocks behind you until you leave.

Doc ock rokc

08-06-2010, 02:26 PM

I see fifth as a Necessary evil. The guy that acts like a Big mean Son of a bitch to keep us all in line. or at least I thought that when he was a Mod. He pretty much made this place less of a shit hole by shitting on it as a whole. The Troll of trolls if you will. And that's why i like him!

Fenris

08-06-2010, 02:29 PM

That's it, Fenris, you have to put a monocle on your avatar now.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1817/fyee.png

Terex4

08-06-2010, 04:41 PM

Son, did you just post shit in a thread about drama regarding thread shitting? Shit, man, that's like layers of shit. We're apporaching meta levels of thread shit now.

You must really, really, hate pie. We should join a team.
That's why my post count is low, the levels of shit I can produce with two lines of text is more than most mortals can handle.

Nique

08-06-2010, 08:37 PM

Stunts like this are why. You're a loose cannon, Nique. We can't afford to have somebody like that on the force.

I'm the Denzel washington to your Ethan Hawke! The Mark Walberg to your Will Ferrel! The ... Hardy to your Laurel?

You know what is delicious? Chicken Pot Pie.

Ecks

08-07-2010, 07:14 PM

Don't forget Beef Shepherd's Pie. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Darth SS

08-08-2010, 03:00 PM

...what the fuck?

So I disappear. And come back, and apparently fifth is dead and gone and DON'T ASK QUESTIONS IT WAS A REALLY HARD TIME FOR EVERYONE!

So I disappear again for aboot two months for a bevy of sexy reasons. And I come back, and he's back again? Again? If he's anything like eggs, he's not back again, he was always around. I'm starting to think y'all are trying to pull some kind of trippy inside joke on me.

Azisien

08-08-2010, 06:23 PM

Yes, indeed, this was truly all for you.

Which is probably some kind of insult? I guess?

Professor Smarmiarty

08-08-2010, 06:30 PM

Darth SS

08-08-2010, 07:53 PM

You missed the part where Fifth showed up with a comedy moustache calling himself "Senor Quinton Demonio"

So this was all part of his burdgeoning career as the headliner of a bar-mitzvah mariachi band?

Satan's Onion

08-09-2010, 03:55 AM

So this was all part of his burdgeoning career as the headliner of a bar-mitzvah mariachi band?

No. Don't be silly.

He also does weddings, birthday parties, and anniversaries.

Ecks

08-11-2010, 12:08 PM

No. Don't be silly.

He also does weddings, birthday parties, and anniversaries.

Don't forget moonlighting as a stripper for bachelor/bachelorrette parties.

Fifthfiend

08-11-2010, 07:31 PM

Lawl, this thread.

Fifth, as far as I can tell, you basically made the other thread so people would take the terrible that was ruining your thread somewhere else. It was a thread made specifically to be terrible. You've closed threads for being terrible, with that as your given reason. You've said outright that the mod staff should be able legislate taste to keep terrible stuff out of the forums. I think POS' decision to merge the threads was in line with that.

Damn, Nonsie, the next time I suggest that you not lecture me on what I would or wouldn't have done as a mod, you should really, really not lecture me on what I would or wouldn't have done as a mod.

I mean look, this is pretty simple.

Dealing with the actual people who were shitting up that thread: What I would have done as a mod.

Dealing with a person who was reacting to people shitting up that thread as a result of the mods doing nothing about the people shitting up threads, while continuing to do nothing about the people shitting up that thread: The farthest opposite of what I would have done as a mod.

I'd go on, but you pretty much continue getting it exactly this wrong, so there's really not a whole lot of reason to bother.

I didn't read them. Mostly because I didn't want to lose any more respect for you than absolutely necessary.

Krylo, I lost all of my respect for you back when you decided "nigger-cracks" was a thing that anybody, anywhere should say.:)

I do, however, know, that the mod staff has felt personally attacked and hurt by what you've said.

It's been how many months? Over an internet forum? It's time to let it go.

Holy lol, I guess I had a little left, because there it went.

Like I said to Nonsie, this is pretty simple. Anyone who wants to

talk at me about how worried I should be about people having hurt feelings over my blog posts

gives and gave zero fucks what I might think of that permaban, that I was reacting to in my blog posts

is someone I'm okay not taking any kind of seriously whatsoever.

And I mean really, anyone who generally wants to be all OH WELL WE GUESS THAT ONE THING THAT ONE TIME WAS KIND OF UNFAIR, WE SUPPOSE but everything since then has just been me being a jerk, in no way precipitated by anything anyone else was doing... they're pretty much clowning, and I'm pretty much gonna carry on treating them like they're clowning.

And when they turn around and tell me about their imaginary me that would have totally been down with this shit, that's when I really go whafuck, because seriously guys, whafuck.

Any time you guys are ready to get over that, and want to start acting like anybody I can respect, then go on ahead and let me know.

Fifthfiend

08-11-2010, 07:32 PM

Whoops I mean, um, pie!

Pie and my mariachi-mitzvah wedding-stripper emailing-people-my-dick career.

Fifthfiend

08-11-2010, 07:33 PM

Wait.... nobody had mentioned that last one already, had they?

fuck

POS Industries

08-11-2010, 07:43 PM

Shit man, taking a page out of Tydeus' playbook?

The old you wouldn't have done that!

Fifthfiend

08-11-2010, 07:52 PM

Fifthfiend

08-11-2010, 07:55 PM

Basically what I'm saying is does anyone know that shiney isn't planning to rename his child "Edward Cullen von Sparklesworth"? Cause I haven't seen the proof.

Fenris

08-11-2010, 07:55 PM

Last I heard he was leaning towards Jacob.

Fifthfiend

08-11-2010, 07:57 PM

If anyone's a Jacobian* it's Meister.

*By which I mean 1. wrong and 2. probably a pedophile.

POS Industries

08-11-2010, 07:57 PM

A second thread in which the Seil tag means "someone correctly calls something dumb, then subsequent people are wrong, dumb, and in all probability, literally the reincarnations of Hitler."

One more and it's a tradition!
Don't look at me on that one. I never gave a shit about tags.

Personally, I'm in favor of replacing all the tags with just the Seil tag and calling it a day. It's far and away our little community's finest achievement.

If anyone's a Jacobian* it's Meister.

*By which I mean 1. wrong and 2. probably a pedophile.
Also the body hair.

Fenris

08-11-2010, 08:00 PM

Basically what I'm saying is does anyone know that shiney isn't planning to rename his child "Edward Cullen von Sparklesworth"?

You read my fanfic!? http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/NuklearFenris/Emoticons/emot-swoon1.gif

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

08-11-2010, 08:09 PM

You read my fanfic!? http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/NuklearFenris/Emoticons/emot-swoon1.gif

I'm inclined to believe that rather than reading it he heard it when Morgan Freeman was performing a reading of it live on national television last week.

Fenris

08-11-2010, 08:11 PM

I'm inclined to believe that rather than reading it he heard it when Morgan Freeman was performing a reading of it live on national television last week.

There was only enough room in the 3 hour slot for the heavily abridged version. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/NuklearFenris/Emoticons/emot-saddowns1.gif He should really check out the prose for the full story. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/NuklearFenris/Emoticons/good1.gif

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

08-11-2010, 08:13 PM

There was only enough room in the 3 hour slot for the heavily abridged version. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/NuklearFenris/Emoticons/emot-saddowns1.gif He should really check out the prose for the full story. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/NuklearFenris/Emoticons/good1.gif

I don't believe mere text does the story justice, which is why I'll be waiting for next week when they'll be releasing the full story as Read by Morgan Freeman in one masterpiece of a sixteen cassette collection.

Fenris

08-11-2010, 08:14 PM

Oh yeah, that is next week. I forgot all about it because I'm so busy with the film project. :/

Fifthfiend

08-11-2010, 08:19 PM

You read my fanfic!? http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/NuklearFenris/Emoticons/emot-swoon1.gif

I assume you meant to quote the post about Meister being a pedophile.

Fenris

08-11-2010, 08:19 PM

I assume you meant to quote the post about Meister being a pedophile.

Well he does make an appearance. ;)

Krylo

08-11-2010, 08:46 PM

Krylo, I lost all of my respect for you back when you decided "nigger-cracks" was a thing that anybody, anywhere should say.:)

I totally don't remember this and demand a link so I can see what the hell I was thinking.

What does that word even MEAN?

Nique

08-11-2010, 08:56 PM

Krylo: Drunk-Posts so good you don't know they're Drunk-Posts.

Fifthfiend

08-11-2010, 09:12 PM

What does that word even MEAN?

IIRC, it was a brand of cereal.

POS Industries

08-11-2010, 09:34 PM

IIRC, it was a brand of cereal.
They're magically delynchious.

Nique

08-11-2010, 09:44 PM

Y' know, I can see Krylo as a Cillian Murphy character cause there's that creepy factor. But Fifth as DiCaprio?

Darth SS

08-11-2010, 10:32 PM

Krylo: Drunk-Posts so good you don't know they're Drunk-Posts.

It's like when he drunk-posts he's become so drunk that he's sober again. Like he somehow pops out on the other side.

Also, I read Fenris' fan fic. It was um...pretty graphic at times. It was an interesting essay on the darkness that can lurk within men's souls, and the same men's obsession with the supernatural. And their fascination with fucking.

B- Would read again. Perhaps use subtlety instead of such graphic description.

shiney

08-12-2010, 09:38 AM

Basically what I'm saying is does anyone know that shiney isn't planning to rename his child "Edward Cullen von Sparklesworth"? Cause I haven't seen the proof.
I seriously have to question where that came from, I been reading the thread and then left field is all "Hey here's something for you" and BAM and then :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

e: Count Edward Cullen von Sparklesworth thankyou.

Token

08-12-2010, 07:40 PM

They're magically delynchious.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/Zoidberg.png
That was bad and you should feel bad.

Edit: This also applies to Seil.

Seil

08-12-2010, 07:45 PM

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/NuklearFenris/Emoticons/emot-swoon1.gif

The Seil tag is all well and good, but when are you guys adding this to the smiley list?

krogothwolf

08-12-2010, 09:12 PM

I seriously have to question where that came from, I been reading the thread and then left field is all "Hey here's something for you" and BAM and then :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

e: Count Edward Cullen von Sparklesworth thankyou.

Is that Dracula's Gay relative?

bluestarultor

08-12-2010, 09:42 PM

Is that Dracula's Gay relative?

If Anne Rice and the Japanese are to be believed, that doesn't narrow it down a lot.

Edit: And Meyer, too, I guess. Edward is a closet case. Bella's just his beard, or he'd have actually done it when she was throwing herself at him.

Fenris

08-12-2010, 09:48 PM

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/NuklearFenris/Emoticons/emot-swoon1.gif

The Seil tag is all well and good, but when are you guys adding this to the smiley list?

Never, simply because you asked for it.

POS Industries

08-12-2010, 10:35 PM

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/ab330/AsshatLP/Zoidberg.png
That was bad and you should feel bad.
I feel good because it was intentionally awful, and if it caused you or anyone else physical pain then I feel even better.

EVILNess

08-12-2010, 10:49 PM

Never, simply because you asked for it.

Your avatar just makes everything you say that much more snarkier and mean.

Fenris

08-12-2010, 10:54 PM

Your avatar just makes everything you say that much more snarkier and mean.

It took me a while to find an avatar that accurately represents the things I want to say the way I want to say them.

Kyanbu The Legend

08-13-2010, 01:58 AM

Fifth

Now a days, sometimes your funny, other times not so much.

You seem alright to me though I barely know you.

Osterbaum

08-13-2010, 11:04 AM

Have any of you good sirs and madams ever tried rhubarb pie?

e: what the hell is rhubarb?

Krylo

08-13-2010, 11:13 AM

This (http://www.veggiegardeningtips.com/ornamental-rhubarb/).

Used to grow it in the backyard and eat it freshly cut dipped in sugar, or baked into strawberry/rhubarb pies.

Osterbaum

08-13-2010, 11:15 AM

Ok, so that's rhubarb. I know that plant and I have eaten pie with that in it. It's called 'Raparperi' in finnish.

Krylo

08-13-2010, 11:22 AM

Odjn

08-13-2010, 12:03 PM

Well you're not in Finland now, Boy. This here internets forum is on an AMERICAN server, and you'll speak AMERICAN, like God intended!

And in AMERICAN it's the Rhubarbs, not your commie rap plants or whatever it is you're up to in those strange European countries.

Boy we been meaning to jaw with ya abat sommer yer disturbin' predilections abat hindquartas, spefially men's hindquartas. Nah see AMERICUNS, we gawd-fearin' folk and we dun do nothun he dun tall us ta do. An' Gawd talls us AMERICUNS, hi' chosun people, dun be stickin yer whizzang up anutha boy's pooter and thas what y'all've been doin'. Nah ay know yer not loco like them thar mexi-cans at tha taco hut but ya gotta lurn that tha propa thang issa gurl's cooter jus' lak Gawd in-ten-ded. Juhere?

You wanted American you got it. Also I never thought I would have to google "redneck word for sex".

POS Industries

08-13-2010, 02:38 PM

No no, Odjn, speak American. Not retard.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche

08-13-2010, 02:40 PM

No no, Odjn, speak American. Not retard.

....Where's the distinction exactly?

POS Industries

08-13-2010, 03:05 PM

....Where's the distinction exactly?
The Mason-Dixon line.

OH SNAP.

Fifthfiend

08-13-2010, 03:06 PM

Yeah, Idaho, Michigan, and the many Dakotas have a lot to brag on.

POS Industries

08-13-2010, 03:52 PM

More than the south! :dance:

Odjn

08-13-2010, 04:31 PM

More than the south! :dance:

Utah doesn't.

Darth SS

08-13-2010, 04:36 PM

Isn't it Sweden or Finland or one of them Scandinaviawhathazzits where the legal age of consent is 15?

Also, has anyone ever had a friend who was just a little too interested in going on a trip to that place?

Note: Yes, I'm talking about Fifth.

Kurosen

08-13-2010, 05:49 PM

More than the south! :dance:
There is a far greater ratio of hillbilly states to cool states in the Mid-West than in the South. :crossarms:

Fenris

08-13-2010, 05:51 PM

There is a far greater ratio of hillbilly states to cool states in the Mid-West than in the South. :crossarms:

I will cut you.

krogothwolf

08-13-2010, 05:59 PM

I will cut you.

Case in point!

Odjn

08-13-2010, 05:59 PM

There is a far greater ratio of hillbilly states to cool states in the Mid-West than in the South. :crossarms:

Southern states take up more space and have higher populations.

Fenris

08-13-2010, 06:00 PM

Case in point!

Hey how's things in America's hat?

Fenris

08-13-2010, 06:03 PM

And also such actions are more indicative of an urban environment than a rural one. :crossarms:

Osterbaum

08-13-2010, 06:04 PM

Isn't it Sweden or Finland or one of them Scandinaviawhathazzits where the legal age of consent is 15?
16 actually.

e: raparperiraparperiraparperiraparperiraparperi

e2: Kokoa kokko kokoon. Koko kokkoko? Koko kokko.

POS Industries

08-13-2010, 06:06 PM

There is a far greater ratio of hillbilly states to cool states in the Mid-West than in the South. :crossarms:
Having grown up back and forth between both I'm willing to admit it's close but the South still comes out looking pretty bad. I mean, it has South Carolina. And Alabama. And all the non-Atlanta parts of Georgia.

krogothwolf

08-13-2010, 06:15 PM

Hey how's things in America's hat?

Cold and Rainy. so same old same old!

Magus

08-14-2010, 01:43 AM

Kurosen's from America's schlong, I don't think he can say much, even to someone from America's hat.

Strawberry rhubarb pie is delicious.

Fifth's a cool guy.

Pip Boy

08-14-2010, 03:37 AM

He got banned and doesn't afraid of anything.

Patrat

08-15-2010, 01:29 AM

Who's Fifthfiend?

Rejected Again

08-15-2010, 01:52 AM

Who's Fifthfiend?

Your better off not knowing.

Fifthfiend

08-15-2010, 02:31 AM

For seven months you've been asking "Who is Fifthfiend?" This is Fifthfiend speaking! I'm the man who's taken away your victims and thus destroyed your world. You've heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis and that Man's sins are destroying the world. But your chief virtue has been sacrifice, and you've demanded more sacrifices at every disaster. You've sacrificed justice to mercy and happiness to duty. So why should you be afraid of the world around you?

Your world is only the product of your sacrifices. While you were dragging the men who made your happiness possible to your sacrificial altars, I beat you to it. I reached them first and told them about the game you were playing and where it would take them. I explained the consequences of your 'brother-love' morality, which they had been too innocently generous to understand. You won't find them now, when you need them more than ever.

We're on strike against your creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. If you want to know how I made them quit, I told them exactly what I'm telling you tonight. I taught them the morality of Reason -- that it was right to pursue one's own happiness as one's principal goal in life! I don't consider the pleasure of others my goal in life, nor do I consider my pleasure the goal of anyone else's life!

I am a TRADER. I EARN what I get in trade for what I produce. I ask for nothing more or nothing less than what I earn. That is justice. I don't force anyone to trade with me; I only trade for mutual benefit. Force is the great evil that has no place in a rational world. One may never force another human to act against his/her judgment. If you deny a man's right to Reason, you must also deny your right to your own judgment. Yet you have allowed your world to be run by means of force, by men who claim that fear and joy are equal incentives, but that fear and force are more practical.

You've allowed such men to occupy positions of power in your world by preaching that all men are evil from the moment they're born. When men believe this, they see nothing wrong in acting in any way they please. The name of this absurdity is ~original sin~. That's impossible! That which is outside the possibility of choice is also outside the province of morality. To call sin that which is outside man's choice is a mockery of justice. To say that men are born with a free will but with a tendency toward evil is ridiculous. If the tendency is one of choice, it doesn't come at birth. If it is not a tendency of choice, then man's will is not free.

And then there's your 'brother-love' ~*morality*~. Why is it moral to serve others, but not yourself? If enjoyment is a value, why is it moral when experienced by others, but not by you? Why is it immoral to produce something of value and keep it for yourself, when it is moral for others who haven't earned it to accept it? If it's virtuous to give, isn't it then selfish to take?

Your acceptance of the code of selflessness has made you fear the man who has a dollar less than you because it makes you feel that that dollar is rightfully his. You hate the man with a dollar more than you because the dollar he's keeping is rightfully yours. Your code has made it impossible to know when to give and when to grab.

You know that you can't give away everything and starve yourself. You've forced yourselves to live with undeserved, irrational guilt. Is it ever proper to help another man? NO, if he demands it as his right or as a duty that you owe him. Yes, if it's your own free choice based on your judgment of the value of that person and his struggle. This country wasn't built by men who sought handouts! In its brilliant youth, this country showed the rest of the world what greatness was possible to Man and what happiness is possible on Earth.

Then it began apologizing for its greatness and began giving away its wealth, feeling guilty for having produced more than ikts neighbors. Seven months ago, I saw what was wrong with the world and where the battle for Life had to be fought. I saw that the enemy was an inverted morality and that my acceptance of that morality was its only power. I was the first of the men who refused to give up the pursuit of his own happiness in order to serve others.

To those of you who retain some remnant of dignity and the will to live your lives for yourselves, you have the chance to make the same choice. Examine your values and understand that you must choose one side or the other. Any compromise between good and evil only hurts the good and helps the evil.

If you've understood what I've said, stop supporting your destroyers. Don't accept their philosophy. Your destroyers hold you by means of your endurance, your generosity, your innocence, and your love. Don't exhaust yourself to help build the kind of world that you see around you now. In the name of the best within you, don't sacrifice the world to those who will take away your happiness for it.

The world will change when you are ready to pronounce this oath: I swear by my Life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for the sake of mine!

POS Industries

08-15-2010, 02:41 AM

tl;dr

Green Spanner

08-15-2010, 04:24 AM

Cool story bro.

Osterbaum

08-15-2010, 07:14 AM

Fifth has just blown my mind with his story. Right after he blew my dick. Yeah, I went there.

Geminex

08-15-2010, 07:16 AM

I think fifth is saying that Shiney's momma is fat.

Torque

08-15-2010, 12:57 PM

Hey how's things in America's hat?

You're just pissed because you're Canada's underwear.
And you're not even like... NICE underwear... you're like... like, Granny panties or some shit.

Osterbaum

08-15-2010, 03:48 PM

I'm pretty sure underwear don't go right under a hat.

Geminex

08-15-2010, 04:06 PM

It does in Canada.

Edit: This thread is now about how we all have so many opinions about Canada.
And, I just realized, about how Fifth is apparently a Scottish Novelist. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt_(novelist))

Torque

08-15-2010, 04:10 PM

It does in Canada.

To wit:

http://www.random-good-stuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/underwearcap.jpg

Darth SS

08-15-2010, 04:26 PM

Is that actually a serious product? Does that thing actually exist?

If so, Fifth is going to need ten orders STAT.

Does that qualify as an opinion towards Fifth? I'm slightly unclear as to what these opinions are supposed to relate to.

Green Spanner

08-15-2010, 04:37 PM

To wit:

http://www.random-good-stuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/underwearcap.jpg

Needs more pencils in nose.

Also wibble.

Torque

08-15-2010, 04:51 PM

Needs more pencils in nose.

Also wibble.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h288/jaxm/wibble.jpg

Don't say I never gave you nothin'

Ecks

08-15-2010, 06:07 PM

Yeah, Idaho, Michigan, and the many Dakotas have a lot to brag on.

You're damn straight we Michiganders do! We have the highest unemployment rate in America!

Wait... what do you mean that's not a good thing?

Fifthfiend

08-15-2010, 06:20 PM

tl;dr

Cool story bro.

Fifth has just blown my mind with his story. Right after he blew my dick. Yeah, I went there.

Haha oh man, fantastic.

EDIT For your next posts you should delete COMCOL, and then call me gay :)

Ecks

08-15-2010, 06:29 PM

Haha oh man, fantastic.

EDIT For your next posts you should delete COMCOL, and then call me gay :)

But... but... that's a piece of NPF history! To delete CoM;CoL would be tantamount to deleting 8-bit Theater in its entirety!

But we can still call you gay. Y'know... if it helps you sleep at night.

Fifthfiend

08-15-2010, 06:30 PM

But... but... that's a piece of NPF history! To delete CoM;CoL would be tantamount to deleting 8-bit Theater in its entirety!

But we can still call you gay. Y'know... if it helps you sleep at night.

Oh man, guys. Guys.

Never change.

You're perfect just the way you are. :)

POS Industries

08-15-2010, 06:32 PM

deleting 8-bit Theater in its entirety!
I think we're all okay with that, though.

Osterbaum

08-15-2010, 06:37 PM

Never change.
I don't think you need to worry about that. I atleast personally have no plans on becoming any less of a nerd, geek or asshole. And let's face it, those are the three words best to describe this community.

Ecks

08-15-2010, 06:40 PM

Don't forget degenerate, low-life, scum, and pervert!

Osterbaum

08-15-2010, 06:41 PM

I thought asshole summed that up. Although in retrospect, I wish to replace the word 'assholes' with 'dicks'.

Shyria Dracnoir

08-15-2010, 06:59 PM

You forgot "ass-kickers", "shit-kickers", and "Methodists".

Funka Genocide

08-15-2010, 11:30 PM

Sadly it took me like 2 paragraphs to figure out it was Ayn Rand.

ugh.

Fifthfiend

08-15-2010, 11:54 PM

That was the idea!

I mean, it was a pretty vicious self-burn!

Funka Genocide

08-15-2010, 11:56 PM

I feel... I think played is the appropriate term here.

You played me dog. Like an out of tune piano.

Fifthfiend

08-16-2010, 12:01 AM

No I mean, I thought I was playing myself!

The posts after that one made me a little sad cause here's me setting up a comparison between my posting and the insane self-serving rantings of Ayn Rand's personal Mary Sue and the meanest thing I get is like "whoa lookit alla them WORDS".

Like damn, I thought I was making this easy for people!

Funka Genocide

08-16-2010, 12:06 AM

I think they skipped straight over "obvious observations" and "sarcastic agreement" right on into "nonplussed dismissal."

These guys are pros.

Fifthfiend

08-16-2010, 12:17 AM

Nonplussed dismissal... and intentional logical fallacies?

Funka Genocide

08-16-2010, 12:22 AM

I think I missed that part, unless you're referring to that underwear for a hat thing.

Because I mean, like, come on.

Archbio

08-16-2010, 12:24 AM

The underwear thing has to be a whole distinct fallacy by itself.

Argumentum ad subvestus.

Funka Genocide

08-16-2010, 12:43 AM

The fact that you speak latin makes you too good for this thread.

Nique

08-16-2010, 12:43 AM

I wonder if it would bother Ayn Rand or her modern disciples to know that that is, in many ways, a philosophy shared by the church of satan. Who are not literal satan worshipers but are still incredible douchebags.

Funka Genocide

08-16-2010, 12:45 AM

Have you ever read the Bible man? Satan got a bum rap from the get go.

He's like, the least douchiest higher being in that book. He just wanted to hook us up with some knowledge and look what happened, big bad God comes down and fucks us, then tells us its our own fault.

Like how the CIA murdered Malcolm X.

POS Industries

08-16-2010, 12:49 AM

Archbio

08-16-2010, 01:03 AM

The fact that you speak latin makes you too good for this thread.

On the internet, nobody knows you speak dog latin.

Argumentum ad subligaculum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subligaculum) is less literal, but probably less bogus.

Osterbaum

08-16-2010, 08:34 AM

whoa lookit alla them WORDS in this thread

Torque

08-16-2010, 08:13 PM

whoa lookit alla them WORDS in this thread

tl;dr ... I just skipped to page 19 and pretend to know what the hell everyone is going on about.
Seriously tho, what's wrong with Ayn Rand?

Funka Genocide

08-16-2010, 09:38 PM

Advocating pure, unadulterated capitalism as the only means of civilization is a bit much at the best of times, and given the decidedly leftist leanings of the majority of this forum, I leave you to fill in what few blanks remain.

(I'd use the mad libs method myself.)

1: Adjective
2: Adjective
3: Adjective denoting a lack of maturity
4. negative adjective
5. an undesirable state of being
6. verb meaning defecation
7. synonym of vomit
8. household appliance or piece of furniture.

Ayn Rand is __1__ and __2__. Her philosophies are __3__ and __4__ __5__. When I read Atlas Shruged, I __6__ myself and __7__ all over the __8__.

Torque

08-17-2010, 04:47 PM

Advocating pure, unadulterated capitalism as the only means of civilization is a bit much at the best of times, and given the decidedly leftist leanings of the majority of this forum, I leave you to fill in what few blanks remain.

Hmm, maybe I missed something when I was boning up on my objectivism, but- and yes I'm going to cite wikipedia here because it will save time- "Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness, that man has direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest, that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for individual rights, embodied in pure laissez faire capitalism, and that the role of art in human life is to transform man's widest metaphysical ideas, by selective reproduction of reality, into a physical form�a work of art�that he can comprehend and to which he can respond emotionally" Doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.

I'd say that's a damned fine philosophy right there. I'd like to delve further into the workings of Ayn Rand, but this prolly isn't the thread to do it in. :S

Professor Smarmiarty

08-17-2010, 04:57 PM

I don't know if I can answer this one without just diverting into a torrent of abuse and probably personal attacks and comparisions to various unsavoury people throughout history so imma let someone sensible take this one.
Let's keep it short : Objectivism rapes your puppy and then shoots it in the vagina to prevent it having sex again.

Funka Genocide

08-17-2010, 08:00 PM

Archbio

08-17-2010, 09:29 PM

"Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness, that man has direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest, that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for individual rights, embodied in pure laissez faire capitalism, and that the role of art in human life is to transform man's widest metaphysical ideas, by selective reproduction of reality, into a physical form�a work of art�that he can comprehend and to which he can respond emotionally"

I think that's a perfect encapsulation of the essence of so-called American Libertarianism. "Puppies are nice, social systems that aren't pure laissez faire capitalism are evil and flowers are pretty."

It's a shit sandwhich!

Two bland, roughly flavourless layers surrounding a layer of... well, shit.

Torque

08-17-2010, 10:14 PM

NPF is the kind of place where you can quote wikipedia verbatim, and those of us who know you just quoted wikipedia verbatim will pretend nothing happened, while those of us who don't will laud praises unto your lineage.

Its that kind of place.

Firstly, I think I pretty must stated flat out that I was quoting wikipedia.
I suppose I could go to *checks* aynrand.org or objectivism.net or, fuckin' just type 'objectivism' into google and get whatever description you want. Wikipedia was A) Fast B) convenient, and C) Succinct.

I think that's a perfect encapsulation of the essence of so-called American Libertarianism. "Puppies are nice, social systems that aren't pure laissez faire capitalism are evil and flowers are pretty."

It's a shit sandwhich!

Two bland, roughly flavourless layers surrounding a layer of... well, shit.

I don't know jack-shit about the actual philosophies behind libertarianism, aside from assuming that it probably has something to do with individual liberty(ies) as a whole. Seems like there's nothing wrong with that. "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" I believe is a phrase penned in the American declaration of independence is it not?
But to me, objectivism pretty much says

If you can see it, hear it, taste it, smell it or touch it it's real.
Pretending it's not real doesn't make it not real
Sacrifice of self (Not to be confused with self-sacrifice) is slavery
Anything worthwhile is worth doing