Drgon got dumped

[DarkDrgon]

so yeah, got dumped out of nowhere tonight, and none of my friends are available. She says we "aren't compatible", which I find ridiculous since we had what I thought was a pretty good, albeit inactive, date tonight, and have been doing the same thing for the past year and a half.

so yeah, pretty much just ranting drunk, angry, and feeling betrayed. I know I'm not exactly a regular here, and let me know if this is inappropriate, I just need to be able to talk to some people until I can get someone to drag me out of the house tomorrow.

sorry if this isn't good enough, but if my best wasn't good enough for her, why bother trying on a forum post

EDIT: shes still talking to me. Alternating between how the hell did that happen mode, and angry cynic mode. definately going to regret this sunday when I'm sober.

fake edit edit: sorry again NPF. I just like to rant.

[McTahr]

This sounds like a case for the Tucker Death Mix!

Take a gallon jug, dump in a liter of Everclear, a liter of Gatorade, and a big can of Red Bull.

Call us next week. (Maybe.)

[DarkDrgon]

I have a handle of jack and a bottle of Blue label in the fridge. Over rocks only.
\not really helping, Im sorry to say. The last time I had blue label was at her uncles wedding, so its just bringing that back. a week ago I got her out of a party where she got sick on jack and was being literally forced to go on until I fought her friends boyfriend doing it.

Man, I've been dumped before, but its never been this tough. The worst part is that last month I decided to stay local if my house foreclosed to be with her. now I'm stuck with a year lease in a town thats given me nothing but sad endings (if you haven't read the accomplishments thread, the cliff notes is that since my mom passed away, I've been struggling with my sister to pay the mortgage on my mothers house. "we" decided we didn't want to put any more money into the house, so I had to find somewhere to live within this month. I did.) i'm 18, in college, and could have easily transferred to a good school out of state, but she convinced me to stay with her. And now shes telling me that months ago she was feeling distant. wish I'd known that before I went through all this crap.

Yeah yeah, dumb kid lecture. heard it, lived it, regret it.

[McTahr]

Been through much the same shit.

Best I can say is, it can and will get you down early on. Ideally, after a point, you listen to Chumbawamba on repeat* until you move on.

*This course of action is actually illegal in most countries

[DarkDrgon]

oh, yeah, I suppose I'll get over it eventually. Still pisses me off now. I'm not sure whether its because I was dumped or that I was so dumb I didn't know it was coming.

I dont know why it would be that last one, because Im still looking back trying to see this and drawing a blank, and Im used to finding out where I fucked up.

Also, I own 1 chumbawumba album. I fear playing it.

[McTahr]

Also, I own 1 chumbawumba album. I fear playing it.

You must master your fears. As you place the album upon the sacrificial altar/CD player, you must chant:
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

"We're not compatible" is code for you are ugy. just fyi.

[DarkDrgon]

"We're not compatible" is code for you are ugy. just fyi.

excuse me sir.

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I am fly

[Krylo]

...

......

You know, I should be nice what with the whole thing where your heart was just broken and what not.

On the other hand, it is like you are just asking for it now.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I was just kidding, then you had to go confirm it!

[Meister]

"We're not compatible" is code for she's a man. just fyi.
:hush:

[betachris_00]

May or may not work for you, but when I had this exact same thing happen to me, I became reclusive, and commmited myself to a life of bitterness, anger, and being alone. Now I'm married. Not saying it'll work the same way, but even if it doesn't, god damn is it fun along the way.

[Aldurin]

Transfer to a good college, optional and graduate with a degree that allows you to get into a good job that doesn't leave you in this mess if your future girlfriend dumps you.

If your current ex tries to be a bitch to you, respond coldly that if she's gonna be like that then you're just gonna move on with life and liberally use the not-giving-a-shit strategy. If she truly thinks she's the one for you, she'll respond nicely in time and eventually come back. If not, then she'll leave you alone once you transfer college and your liver can last for that much longer (I assume you don't drink like this regularly).

But this is my advice as someone who's never been in this situation before. Try it if you're desperate.

[Jagos]

so yeah, got dumped out of nowhere tonight, and none of my friends are available. She says we "aren't compatible", which I find ridiculous since we had what I thought was a pretty good, albeit inactive, date tonight, and have been doing the same thing for the past year and a half.

Problem started right about there.

[DarkDrgon]

(I assume you don't drink like this regularly).


I wouldnt say regularly, but often enough that I can shrug it off

@jagos, I phrased that wrong. What I mean is that we've been dating for a year without any major complications, we got along well even through our fights, and always seemed to be able to patch things up.

I made it sound like we were a boring couple, which we werent.

So yeah. worst part right now is that half the decorations in my room are things from her, so now my walls are gonna be bare, since I dont want to be in here now with all that stuff on the wall.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Protip for redecorating your walls: Don't put up mirrors.

[DarkDrgon]

fuck mirrors. I need to get myself some new Rangers posters to replace the ones Im taking down.

The question is to I go old school, and throw up all my Richter memorabilia, or spend some cash on the young players

[Darth SS]

fuck mirrors. I need to get myself some new Rangers posters to replace the ones Im taking down.

The question is to I go old school, and throw up all my Richter memorabilia, or spend some cash on the young players

Be just like Sather, just throw money at the problem. Make sure you gets lots of Dubinsky and Callahan.

[bluestarultor]

Well, as another guy who got kicked in the balls when he thought he was doing well, I can sympathize.

Unfortunately, I have no advice to offer. Well, actually, I do. You're going to need to make a judgment call on whether you should make it a clean break or not. If she's going to be jerking you around, it might be better to just put distance between the two of you. You deserve better than to be kept as a backup under the guise of friendship. Watching my brother fall into that trap is like watching a guy put on a life jacket before diving into a shark tank. You want to smack him because he really thinks he's safe, but it's only going to end in prolonged pain and he's somehow blinded to that and won't listen even when you point straight at it.

If the water already has blood in it, you might be better off just walking away.



Again, that's up to you to judge. If she really wants you for you or comes back and says she made a mistake in earnest, just pick up and continue. Just keep in mind that you're not dating her anymore and that if she gets a new boyfriend, it's his job to date her, not yours to do all the work so he can have all the fun.

[DarkDrgon]

unfortunately, I can't get any more Dubi. which sucks, since hes my favorite on the team right now besides Hank. So most of the things I had are his, and from her.

[POS Industries]

excuse me sir.

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I am fly
You were great in Superbad.

Funny People sucked, though. You should be ashamed.

[Darth SS]

unfortunately, I can't get any more Dubi. which sucks, since hes my favorite on the team right now besides Hank. So most of the things I had are his, and from her.

I'm sure you can probably get some Gomez stuff on the cheap now. :D

But anyways, what I found helped me the most when me and my girlfriend broke up about a year and a half ago was that I just found an old hobby, dusted it off, and just completely rededicated to it. In my case, it was my love of martial arts, so I just buried myself in the gym, in training, and in my school work. I slowly worked in social interaction. As a result, I'm fitter, I'm more focused, my marks are better, and most of all I'm happy.

I mean this also corresponded with the tail end of what I call my "bitch phase." Which in this case entailed trying to figure out what went wrong, what was wrong with me, and how I could fix it. Don't be like me, and don't do any of that. Straighten your back, put your chin up, it is what it is. If she thinks that you "aren't compatible," then that's her decision, but understand she doesn't not get you as a plan B. There is no "exploring options," and if she comes back you tell her to just keep walking. You should never settle for being plan B.

[Jagos]

Ok, seriously, there were signs that this was coming...

Let's think backwards, what did she say or do that seems completely out of character or comes up?

[DarkDrgon]

the only time I noticed something was wrong was our date before she called me, she seemed distant. I've been thinking it over all day/night and thats really the only thing I came up with.

[CABAL49]

the only time I noticed something was wrong was our date before she called me, she seemed distant. I've been thinking it over all day/night and thats really the only thing I came up with.

Yeah...don't do that. I have been through bad breakups before and you are going to think about what you could have done differently. Don't do that! It is a waste of time and results in nothing. Don't think about what you might have done wrong. Just think about how you are going to make your present situation better.
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On another note, I always keep a bottle of whiskey in my desk in case of emergencies.

[Hanuman]

I'm going to make up a story.
She saw how you and her could be awesome together, she let herself get in a relationship with you and found out that you're a pretty alright guy, you can do something awesome, you have a few flaws but thats cool, no big.
After a while, she only later realizes that she is having to be in a mode she is not 100% comfortable with maintaining, and eventually will have to release the pressure, regardless of how awesome you are, regardless of any flaws, she just needs something that fits her mode better.
No one is at fault, no one is wrong.

[Aldurin]

I'm going to make up a story.
She saw how you and her could be awesome together, she let herself get in a relationship with you and found out that you're a pretty alright guy, you can do something awesome, you have a few flaws but thats cool, no big.
After a while, she only later realizes that she is having to be in a mode she is not 100% comfortable with maintaining, and eventually will have to release the pressure, regardless of how awesome you are, regardless of any flaws, she just needs something that fits her mode better.
No one is at fault, no one is wrong.

Quit trying to make this a blameless story. Either drgon was unwittingly an asshole toward his girlfriend or his gf was a bitch for dumping him.

[bluestarultor]

Quit trying to make this a blameless story. Either drgon was unwittingly an asshole toward his girlfriend or his gf was a bitch for dumping him.

Gotta agree with this here. Over a year is a REALLY long time to take to figure out there's no chemistry or some habit(s) that would render them unfit to pair up.

There's either something else at work that's been going on for a long time and that she's been somehow hiding for ages or there was some single or few events that changed her mind recently.

Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if she's with another guy very soon. If it's been a long time, she may have had another one scoped out. If it's more short-term than she'd like to admit, she may go for a rebound.

Regardless, if she comes running back right away, it's going to be trouble.

[Hanuman]

Quit trying to make this a blameless story. Either drgon was unwittingly an asshole toward his girlfriend or his gf was a bitch for dumping him.
History has continuously shown that in an A or B situation it's usually neither, that ideas of conviction are self pity are flaws of the individual, and that people just generally want to be happy.

I believe that love is wanting people to be happy, regardless of the level of bitchiness, and in relationships sometimes you trust in that, even if it means leaving.

[pochercoaster]

Pardon me, but I don't think it's really possible to asses whether anyone is at fault without more details. A year is not a long time. People's priorities change, particularly if they're young. Maybe she was bored, maybe she was wronged by DarkDrgn somehow, maybe she's a bitch, maybe she doesn't know what she wants. You can't really extract this just from the length of time they dated, though.

Dragon, I'm sorry to hear that you were dumped so suddenly. I hope you're able to move on with your life comfortably soon.

Edit: Ninja'd. For once, I agree with Lev.

[DarkDrgon]

everything i've seen shows me shes not happy. our mutual friends say shes as miserable as i am.

all i've heard from those friends is that she keeps saying "our time's up", then breaking down crying.

@pocheros: As of right now, Im not finished until I know some more, and I honestly feel I have a right to. I'm fully aware that if her mind is made up I'll just have to deal, but thats what the friday night parties are for. I honestly, not even bullshitting for forum cred cause like my OP said Im mainly a voiceless face here, treated her like gold. I knew I had an amazing thing going, and did everything in my power to keep her happy. If that wasn't good enough for her I'll just have to change my standards.

and It's Drgon. not Dragon.

[bluestarultor]

Pardon me, but I don't think it's really possible to asses whether anyone is at fault without more details. A year is not a long time. People's priorities change, particularly if they're young. Maybe she was bored, maybe she was wronged by DarkDrgn somehow, maybe she's a bitch, maybe she doesn't know what she wants. You can't really extract this just from the length of time they dated, though.

Dragon, I'm sorry to hear that you were dumped so suddenly. I hope you're able to move on with your life comfortably soon.

Edit: Ninja'd. For once, I agree with Lev.

The issue is that Drgon doesn't have any more details than we do, or else he would have been able to look back and see it coming. Hindsight is 20/20.

I'm just saying if it was really a long time in coming, she kept it hidden pretty well. Stuff like that happens. People wait things out to see if they get better and sometimes they just don't.

I didn't try to assign blame to either party. Maybe he was a jerk to her, maybe she was bored, etc., just like you said. What I DID disagree with is that there's no blame to be had. (Also speculate on her future prospects, which was wrong of me in retrospect, but that was still supposed to be speculation. I was not trying to indicate Drgon got dumped for another guy.)

No end of a relationship is blameless. Someone did something enough that someone else ended things. Whether that was a year of being boring or a single instance of blowing up their house is just the detail. Or hell, even a year of blowing up their house. Some people are tolerant.

The point is that Drgon is suffering because she's not giving him any hints, which is about the top cruel thing you can do when you break it off with someone. It stings when you have the list of your flaws read off to you for an hour, but not knowing is a venom that will drive you crazy and hurt for much longer.

[Darth SS]

The point is that Drgon is suffering because she's not giving him any hints, which is about the top cruel thing you can do when you break it off with someone. It stings when you have the list of your flaws read off to you for an hour, but not knowing is a venom that will drive you crazy and hurt for much longer.

I would like to put out there I cannot possibly disagree with you more. Sometimes you just really don't want to know what happened. If you get read a list of your flaws you will try to "fix" them, when you should be giving yourself a small boost and getting on with your life.

[DarkDrgon]

seeing as I feel like nothing Went wrong until I got the call, I'd rather know. even if I get a list of flaws, I'm not changing myself. as I said, I just feel like I have a right to know.

[bluestarultor]

seeing as I feel like nothing Went wrong until I got the call, I'd rather know. even if I get a list of flaws, I'm not changing myself. as I said, I just feel like I have a right to know.

^ Pretty much my point.

I really don't even see what's wrong with trying to fix some of your flaws. Obviously, if you obsess over it, that's not healthy, but then if you're obsessing that badly over "perfecting" yourself to one person's standards when they no longer matter, YOU'RE not healthy. And a lot of times, you don't even consider them flaws. Half of the "flaws" I displayed in my maiden voyage into the market amounted to being a gentleman. She just didn't want the treatment. Other girls would have reveled in it.

If you're left dangling and would otherwise try to fix the complaints, you're probably going to go and try to fix yourself anyway, only it'll be more frustrating because you won't even know what's wrong.

Basically, there's no downside to knowing if you're at all confident in yourself as a person, and if you're not, maybe that's the first flaw you should fix.

[Jagos]

Guys...

No. It didn't work out for whatever reason. If you press her too hard, you may damage the relationship to a point that it'll always be awkward with her.

The best advice I can say is that you want to move on without her. She wasn't right for you, that's her deal. I won't recommend dating her sister or anything but there's more fish out in the sea than people that you need to fix.

Besides that, what you may fix to be the perfect man for ONE girl, may not be what you need to do for another. So it comes down to Dragon accepting himself. I understand you want to know, but it'll come out when it comes out. Same thing happened to me a while back and I understand it. Don't agree with everything she said but hey, it's how she felt, not me. We're good friends now so... Yeah.

[Krylo]

I won't recommend dating her sister or anything

Unless her sister is, like, really hot.

Edit: And quit seriousin' up/dramain' up mah boardz.

Drgon handled this just about perfectly already. He got sauced, listened to music, and made regrettable life choices (making this thread, posting a picture of himself). He's well on the way to recovery. Stop trying to tell the dude what to do.

Now, I say, 'just about perfectly', because there are far better regrettable life choices he could have made while sauced, but, hey, no one's perfect.

Except me.

[Darth SS]

Unless her sister is, like, really hot.



Quoted for truth. Just...so much truth.

One of my favourite Glee lines of all time is "Have you ever heard of anger sex?" "It's all I do." I feel that line is oddly applicable in this circumstance.

[Nique]

made regrettable life choices ... making this thread, posting a picture of himself

hey, no one's perfect.
... Except me.

Hoho! Oh my I needed a laugh today. Pretty sure there have been sum Krylo pictures in one of our camwhore threads.

[Krylo]

The difference is that I'm pretty.

Edit: Like a delicate flower, too beautiful for this harsh world.

[Token]

The difference is that I'm pretty.

Edit: Like a delicate flower, too beautiful for this harsh world.

That's cute, Kry.

[shiney]

The difference is that I'm pretty.

Pretty ugly.

[Jagos]

and It's Drgon. not Dragon.

But then we'd have to call you Rei.

[krogothwolf]

Pretty ugly.

That's just you trying to hide your lust for him.

[Krylo]

That's cute, Kry.

Pretty ugly.
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[Wigmund]

...treated her like gold. I knew I had an amazing thing going, and did everything in my power to keep her happy. If that wasn't good enough for her I'll just have to change my standards.

Maybe it was this. You treated her too well (as she saw it) and she felt confined or something and freaked out.

Of course, this is an idea coming from a guy who has NEVER HAD A DATE in his life. So feel free to ignore me while I go drink myself into a coma over this fact.

and It's Drgon. not Dragon.

You're gonna be Dragon and you'll damn well like it :D. Always figured the missing A was a typo.

[Terex4]

Whenever you find yourself in this kind of situation just ask yourself one question.

"Am I going to give a shit in 5 years?"

When it comes to relationships there are only 2 reasons why that answer should be yes.

A) There's a child born of the relationship
B) One of you is a stalker

Never enter a relationship expecting it to last forever. If you find yourself with the same woman 20 years down the road, fantastic. If you don't, meh there's other people.

[DarkDrgon]

You're gonna be Dragon and you'll damn well like it :D. Always figured the missing A was a typo.

It was the first time I did it on the Wizards forums. Now I just roll with it, its my online ID everywhere.

I know Im not gonna care down the road. I made this thread hammered and looking for anyone to talk to, since everyone else I knew was asleep. Im getting better now, but still wish I knew why.

[Nique]

You're gonna be Dragon and you'll damn well like it . Always figured the missing A was a typo.

'You were born a Dragon, you'll die a Dragon, and only your fleas will mourn you'

[Funka Genocide]

and It's Drgon. not Dragon.

That is a very humorous thing to say sir.

But yeah, it pretty much goes like this: Girl with low self esteem latches on to someone that calls her pretty in her youth, eventually convinces herself she can "do better" then tries (unsuccessfully) to reinvent herself by hooking up with someone else for a short duration, usually a sailor or some kind of motorcyclist, after which she continues this process of self absorbed (and ultimately counter-productive) refinement by dating a generous cross section of men (usually at least one musician) until at last she settles for someone easily manipulated and marginally more attractive than the original.

(Also I forgot to mention sporadic bouts of anorexia and intermittent drama with long term friends culminating in a complete departure from her original social scene in favor of a more amenable cult of personality composed mainly of girls with even less self esteem and more bodyfat than herself.)

Or maybe she just stopped liking you. *shrug*

Also, if she hasn't all ready banged some other dude you've got like a week tops.

Protip: She's all ready banged some other dude.

Also he was probably a sailor

[krogothwolf]

Also, if she hasn't all ready banged some other dude you've got like a week tops.

Protip: She's all ready banged some other dude.

Also he was probably a sailor

Damnit Funka, stop pretending to be a sailor and banging other dude's ex girlfriends!

[Jagos]

Damnit Funka, stop pretending to be a sailor and banging other dudes ex girlfriends!

FTFY. :)

[Krylo]

Don't make him stop, Jagos.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Just be glad he isn't like Nikose trying to bang barges, screw ships, and cuddle catamarans

[bluestarultor]

Just be glad he isn't like Nikose trying to bang barges, screw ships, and cuddle catamarans

Well, it's not the size of the boat...

[Funka Genocide]

This isn't about me or sailing.

Its about the dude banging out Drgon's ex-girlfriend.

Lets have some sympathy here folks.

[Nikose Tyris]

Just be glad he isn't like Nikose trying to bang barges, screw ships, and cuddle catamarans

I'm pregnant and it's yours.

Well, it's not the size of the boat...

Actually it is. 12 feet and less just ain't worth my time.

[DarkDrgon]

Ok, i know, dead thread, and no one wants to hear this anymore, but I finally feel good about things.

She texted my friend today asking how I was. He told the honest truth, that I was a wreck, and then it turned to him bashing her for what she did (probably not the smartest move, given he didn't know everything, but he seemed to get everything right cause she came to me)

so we talk, I honestly tell her I'd be willing to try again if she wanted to try, but she goes on saying we're not connected and we dont have enough in common. she then says we were never connected, and if I thought so it was all in my head.

So I flip out. Not gonna lie, I have tons of trust issues, and she set all of them off with that. I end up pretty much saying how everything I ever said to her was true, and that everything I did was for her (again, true). Now her friend tells me that she lied about that to help me get over her, but after my outburst feels we could work.

now, I get to decide if I even want her back. I'm leaning towards "yes, but only if she is willing to put in the same effort I am", but with a strong possibility of "after that stunt, hell naw".

also I feel nine thousand times better. woot. Thanks for the help guys (and gals), I guess now its my turn to take snakes place as relationship punching bag. commence with the Drgon bashing.

[Aldurin]

Ok, i know, dead thread, and no one wants to hear this anymore, but I finally feel good about things.

She texted my friend today asking how I was. He told the honest truth, that I was a wreck, and then it turned to him bashing her for what she did (probably not the smartest move, given he didn't know everything, but he seemed to get everything right cause she came to me)

so we talk, I honestly tell her I'd be willing to try again if she wanted to try, but she goes on saying we're not connected and we dont have enough in common. she then says we were never connected, and if I thought so it was all in my head.

So I flip out. Not gonna lie, I have tons of trust issues, and she set all of them off with that. I end up pretty much saying how everything I ever said to her was true, and that everything I did was for her (again, true). Now her friend tells me that she lied about that to help me get over her, but after my outburst feels we could work.

now, I get to decide if I even want her back. I'm leaning towards "yes, but only if she is willing to put in the same effort I am", but with a strong possibility of "after that stunt, hell naw".

also I feel nine thousand times better. woot. Thanks for the help guys (and gals), I guess now its my turn to take snakes place as relationship punching bag. commence with the Drgon bashing.

For your dilemma about whether or not to want her back. Just calm the fuck down, browse the archives here and wait to see what move she makes. If she really cares she won't just disconnect like that.

And if you feel you have to speak stuff at the expense of dead threads, do it. Talking it out may mean one less suicide in the world (I'm not saying you're that far, but it's nice to stop the car before it even sees the cliff).

[Nique]

So I flip out.

Now her friend tells me that she lied about that to help me get over her, but after my outburst feels we could work.

This doesn't sound like a healthy relationship. An emotional tiraid is going to make almost anyone have second thoughts, but that doesn't mean that the original decision wasn't a more accurate reflection of their desire... and she had one of her friends relate this to you? That's not mature. Also I think it's a red flag for her to give into something you want becuase of a moment of anger. It sounds like that could reinforce something highly negative in both of you.

I'd say the ideal choice is to not get back together, each of you move on and do other things. Even see other people if you so choose and simply remain friends if possible. If the opportunity presents itself in the future, after you have both done some growing, maybe you can revisit the relationship. But at this point it sounds highly juvenile on both of your parts and not really something worth pursuing.

[krogothwolf]

First Nique, girls are freaking weird, bizarre and crazy. She probably didn't send the friend over but the friend decided to get involved more then they should. Friends are weird like that as well. They get all like "oh noes she feels sad, I should tell the person about this and why." So it could be the truth or it could be a lie. Heck it could actually take the flipping out for her to realize she was being stupid splitting up with him. Me and My wife flip out on each other often an our marriage is as strong as ever! I still don't understand her cause girls are freaking aliens man! ALIENS!

Also my friend went through a relationship similar to his and they've been married now for 5 years with 2 kids. You never know what'll happen. If he wants to give it another shot he should. Life's to short to skip things. A lot of relationships have juvenile and immature moments, it's part of being in a relationship.

[Krylo]

I'd say the ideal choice is to not get back together.

Normally I'd have to agree with this.

But you did post your picture back there... so I have to ask before giving any advice: Are you ok with being alone forever?

[Funka Genocide]

You know that being single is like, the single greatest motivator to getting into really good shape.

Well for me at least.

[DarkDrgon]

Honestly no Idea what Im gonna do yet. We'll see how our next talk goes.

[Nique]

First Nique, girls are freaking weird, bizarre and crazy.

This isn't a dig at how you conduct your personal relationships exactly, and I'm sure you are, as you say, happy. But yeah I'm going to go ahead say that this is in general a bad position to start from.

[krogothwolf]

This isn't a dig at how you conduct your personal relationships exactly, and I'm sure you are, as you say, happy. But yeah I'm going to go ahead say that this is in general a bad position to start from.

How exactly? They tell you something that can mean 1 thing one minute then something completely different the next one. There emotions can go from one spectrum to another at the drop of a hate. They'll try to find all sorts of ways to manipulate you into doing things and you wont even realize it till after wards.

You'll never be able to understand what a girl is thinking or feeling no matter how long you're with them. Once you begin to understand they'll change things up. They're like that.

Going into a relationship realizing this makes your brain hurt less because girls are freaking weird, bizarre and crazy.

I'm pretty sure they say the same things about men to but yeah, the opposite sex will be alien to us because we'll never understand them fully because that would make things easier for us.

[Funka Genocide]

I probably wouldn't use the same terminology Krogoth is but I mean... you've been yelled at for something you didn't know was wrong right?

I'm pretty sure that every heterosexual male in history has been completely dumbfounded at some point by their partner. I mean we can go back and reverse engineer the situation and try to glean some lasting wisdom from the encounter, but in the end there's generally some form of event horizon beyond which all is female, unknowable and alien.

I wouldn't try to define it in absolutes as... well that would require me to absolutely understand it. Suffice it to say that, in general, women are different than men and this difference gives rise to many misunderstandings. Whether the reason for this is purely social, biological or a mixture of the two.

Also, I think when it comes to relationships that are important to you, a lot of times the right thing is impossible to do. I mean it might sound all well and good to "give each other some space" and "see other people" or whatever the fuck, but I mean come on. You're not a guest on Dr. Phil, do what you feel is right consequences be damned, because if there was every any real passion in your relationship to begin with, its likely that not trying will haunt you a lot longer than trying and failing miserably.

People talk about broken hearts as though they were a physical reality, keep in mind that shit's a metaphor. You'll get over it big guy, so put it all on the line or tell her to go fuck herself, either way (to quote the great John Mayer) say what you need to say before she's out of earshot forever.

(also of course don't punch anyone unless they're the biker/sailor/jazz musician she's seeing now.)

[Kim]

How exactly? They tell you something that can mean 1 thing one minute then something completely different the next one. There emotions can go from one spectrum to another at the drop of a hate. They'll try to find all sorts of ways to manipulate you into doing things and you wont even realize it till after wards.

You'll never be able to understand what a girl is thinking or feeling no matter how long you're with them. Once you begin to understand they'll change things up. They're like that.

Going into a relationship realizing this makes your brain hurt less because girls are freaking weird, bizarre and crazy.

I'm pretty sure they say the same things about men to but yeah, the opposite sex will be alien to us because we'll never understand them fully because that would make things easier for us.

I don't know if you're joking or not but HRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNGGGGGHHHH

[DarkDrgon]

I probably wouldn't use the same terminology Krogoth is but I mean... you've been yelled at for something you didn't know was wrong right?

I'm pretty sure that every heterosexual male in history has been completely dumbfounded at some point by their partner. I mean we can go back and reverse engineer the situation and try to glean some lasting wisdom from the encounter, but in the end there's generally some form of event horizon beyond which all is female, unknowable and alien.

I wouldn't try to define it in absolutes as... well that would require me to absolutely understand it. Suffice it to say that, in general, women are different than men and this difference gives rise to many misunderstandings. Whether the reason for this is purely social, biological or a mixture of the two.

Also, I think when it comes to relationships that are important to you, a lot of times the right thing is impossible to do. I mean it might sound all well and good to "give each other some space" and "see other people" or whatever the fuck, but I mean come on. You're not a guest on Dr. Phil, do what you feel is right consequences be damned, because if there was every any real passion in your relationship to begin with, its likely that not trying will haunt you a lot longer than trying and failing miserably.

People talk about broken hearts as though they were a physical reality, keep in mind that shit's a metaphor. You'll get over it big guy, so put it all on the line or tell her to go fuck herself, either way (to quote the great John Mayer) say what you need to say before she's out of earshot forever.

(also of course don't punch anyone unless they're the biker/sailor/jazz musician she's seeing now.)

this is pretty much the attitude I'm taking.

also, she almost did something with a guido, but backed down because she was still thinking about us. Im glad she told me, and I do want to hit the guy, but thats more because he's guido than for anything with her.

I hate new jersey -_- If it weren't for E-Town, we'd have nothing going for us

[Nique]

to quote the great John Mayer

Alright I'm done here.

[Funka Genocide]

I don't know if you're joking or not but HRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNGGGGGHHHH

Ok... gay man criticizing one's inability to understand the opposite sex.

I mean.

Are we even doing this?

[Kim]

Ok... gay man criticizing one's inability to understand the opposite sex.

I mean.

Are we even doing this?

HRRRRRNNNNNNNNNGH

[Funka Genocide]

Yeah, yeah I guess we are doing this.

SADFACE

Also, what the fuck is a guido? Is this some sort of term I'm expected to know the definition of, because the only thing it's bringing up is a racial epithet against Italians, I think.

[pochercoaster]

How exactly? They tell you something that can mean 1 thing one minute then something completely different the next one. There emotions can go from one spectrum to another at the drop of a hate. They'll try to find all sorts of ways to manipulate you into doing things and you wont even realize it till after wards.

I feel pretty insulted by this. Yes, women are emotional, illogical, and manipulative. We are incapable of thinking critically and twist our words to meet our desires. We are not humans with a diverse set of personalities, just as men are always hard and macho, right?

Men. You can't talk to them. They're only interested in football and sex.

I probably wouldn't use the same terminology Krogoth is but I mean... you've been yelled at for something you didn't know was wrong right?

I'm pretty sure that every heterosexual male in history has been completely dumbfounded at some point by their partner. I mean we can go back and reverse engineer the situation and try to glean some lasting wisdom from the encounter, but in the end there's generally some form of event horizon beyond which all is female, unknowable and alien.

Of course, a woman has never been yelled at for a man for something they didn't know was wrong. A man is incapable of acting on emotional impulses because he has them under control 100% of the time, due to his manliness.

[Funka Genocide]

I never said there wasn't the same likelihood of befuddlement on the other side of the gender gulf, I just don't really feel qualified to talk about it at length.

I mean you can operate under idealistic assumptions that everyone is everything and that all faults or idiosyncrasies inherent to an individual are perfectly singular little miracles of personality, however functionally speaking you'll find stereotypical behavior in most everyone even tangentially attached to the same cultural font ie: society.

Guys DO like football and sex a whole lot more than discussing what Susan said at work today. I never made any claims that this was a universally consistent trend or that individuals don't buck the system or operate entirely outside of it, however the lion's share of conventional wisdom and observable, personal experience dictates that men and women are fundamentally different on some level, and that this difference leads to misunderstandings.

Perhaps its merely an illusion of the collective subconscious or a sinister ploy by the architects of a male dominated regime that's lasted millenia, I couldn't really tell you since I'm not omnipotent (obviously) but to deny that a woman is a woman and that a man is a man is to deny pretty much the foundations of social reality, which I'm sure is all well and good on a conceptual level, however try making heads or tales of the complex sociological phenomenon of male-female interaction without a sound grounding in gender identity and see how far you make it.

[krogothwolf]

Guido!

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/3361/guido033pl.jpg

[Kim]

I never said there wasn't the same likelihood of befuddlement on the other side of the gender gulf, I just don't really feel qualified to talk about it at length.

I mean you can operate under idealistic assumptions that everyone is everything and that all faults or idiosyncrasies inherent to an individual are perfectly singular little miracles of personality, however functionally speaking you'll find stereotypical behavior in most everyone even tangentially attached to the same cultural font ie: society.

Guys DO like football and sex a whole lot more than discussing what Susan said at work today. I never made any claims that this was a universally consistent trend or that individuals don't buck the system or operate entirely outside of it, however the lion's share of conventional wisdom and observable, personal experience dictates that men and women are fundamentally different on some level, and that this difference leads to misunderstandings.

CAN'T... HRRRRRNNNNNNGGGGGHHHHH... HARD ENOUGH...

[Funka Genocide]

Hey guy, how about instead of approximating guttural noises in bold font you... I don't know... make a concise statement?

Just a thought.

[Krylo]

CAN'T... HRRRRRNNNNNNGGGGGHHHHH... HARD ENOUGH...

Keep it up Funks.

I think he might go super saiyan.

Edit: Also, is Susan hot? 'Cause if Susan is hot I think I care more about what she said than Football.

[Funka Genocide]

So I take it that people are upset because I said that guys like football?

OH SHIT CAT'S OUT OF THE BAG NOW!

[Kim]

Nobody likes football.

[Funka Genocide]

ITT: Delusion runs rampant as iconoclasts deny reality.

[Kim]

Hey guy, how about instead of approximating guttural noises in bold font you... I don't know... make a concise statement?

Just a thought.

I really don't think I need to. You've already dismissed my opinion because I'm gay so apparently I'm not in any sort of position to comment on the blatantly sexist comments in this thread. Besides, you just sort of crossed a line of whafuck where I can't even pretend to take the words you have posted seriously. It's like if Glenn Beck walked up to me and started telling me that for me to have more money I need to give more of it to rich people. That is your post.

[pochercoaster]

Perhaps its merely an illusion of the collective subconscious or a sinister ploy by the architects of a male dominated regime that's lasted millenia, I couldn't really tell you since I'm not omnipotent (obviously) but to deny that a woman is a woman and that a man is a man is to deny pretty much the foundations of social reality, which I'm sure is all well and good on a conceptual level, however try making heads or tales of the complex sociological phenomenon of male-female interaction without a sound grounding in gender identity and see how far you make it.

I just don't see the practicality in analyzing a year-long relationship from the perspective of Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. A generalization is just a generalization; it serves no use once you get to actually know someone. This type of generalization is also one that is rather harmful. I wouldn't mind seeing it obliterated, frankly.

There are differences between the genders, yes, and it's been shown in scientific studies that we utilize are brains slightly differently. However, the jump from "men and women have differing levels of hormones that affect how they process information" to "all women act like they're from Sex and the City" is too wide. What scientific studies have shown so far do not correlate to women being passive aggressive, manipulative, dithering bimbo bitches, and I refuse to believe in any such nonsense.

I would assume that there are lots of men with feminine leanings who feel similarly. Society draws the line for what is female and what is male; the fact that women were/are historically easier to control due to them being biologically weaker allows us to attach such inferior traits to women without a second thought.

This really disgusts and upsets me, really.

Edit: Knowing Funka the way I do I'm arguing more with Krogo here, although I quoted Funka.

[krogothwolf]

CAN'T... HRRRRRNNNNNNGGGGGHHHHH... HARD ENOUGH...

got a useful hint, if you got an issue with it, explain instead of being constipated.

Woman do have emotional changes quickly, they do manipulate the men they are with to get their way, they do change how they feel about things quickly. I've seen it in my mom, sister, wife, friends, coworkers. All over the place. Usually with the guy they are in a relationship with. It's like a game to them r something I don't know. My wife says it so we realize who's truly in charge(it's not men apparently).

I'm of the mind that cravings for food when pregnant is just to see what lengths you'll go for them while they gain weight. Self esteem get's shot as the pregnancy goes on and they send you out to get them stuff because that helps boost their self esteem. That's my view anyways since my wife made me run around to get some stupid burger from some stupid restaurant then only ate half of it before claiming to be full even though she was "dieing of hunger."

Never said men don't do this either, we probably do, but I wouldn't really know. I like sports, video games and sex and try to manipulate things so I can watch it. Usually I lose because she's far better at it then me but oh well.

Not saying woman don't have personalities, just saying they do things like that and trying to understand a woman fully is futile because you probably never will because they tend to change things up every so often to keep you on your toes. It makes things fun and interesting though :D

[Funka Genocide]

Well you're the one that said that, not me. I never said that gender dictates every aspect of personality, just that the differences (whatever they may be) lead to misunderstandings.

You're pretty much putting words into my mouth.

Now Krogo may have said some shit like that, but I didn't.

[Kim]

There are differences between the genders, yes, and it's been shown in scientific studies that we utilize are brains slightly differently.

Some recent studies have actually shown that even this is exaggerated, and what differences between gender thought are there are pretty much just there because they're trained into us from childhood and reinforced through fantastically whafuck comments like those of our good friends Funka and Krogo.

got a useful hint, if you got an issue with it, explain instead of being constipated.

But then I'd have to treat the talkwords in these posts with respect. I don't have the mental fortitude to do that.

[Funka Genocide]

Also never denied the possibility that the differences were merely constructs of society, which I totally accept as plausible.

[Kim]

Also never denied the possibility that the differences were merely constructs of society, which I totally accept as plausible.

It doesn't change the fact that you're reinforcing them.

[Funka Genocide]

Nor does it change the fact that denying they exist is about as useful as trying to stop a bullet with your teeth.

[pochercoaster]

I think perspective has a lot to do with it.

Like, how many women who are passive aggressive manipulators really exist compared to how many women are portrayed in such a way in the media?

I don't think it's that many, really. But if you approach life with that mindset women will appear that way. The brain is a miraculous thing that can convince you of anything you want to believe.

[krogothwolf]

But then I'd have to treat the talkwords in these posts with respect. I don't have the mental fortitude to do that.

Because you would never say anything others would think are stupid or shouldn't be said at all?

If that's the case keep shitting yourself and not saying anything.

The generalizations exist because there is some truth behind them. Pretending otherwise is silly.

[Fenris]

All y'alls stop being assholes.

[Funka Genocide]

I'm positive I've said nothing overtly sexist or radical throughout this thread. I am merely stating observable facts. The term "woman" exists as one of many social groups and carries with it the weight of societal pressure, just as the term "man" does.

I'm almost positive most everyone here has taken a sociology class before (since it's pretty much the easiest elective course ever and you lot seem like you're familiar with the confines of a community college.)

EDIT: wasn't talking to you there Fenris, made the post while you were moderaterizing.

[Fenris]

I'm almost positive most everyone here has taken a sociology class before (since it's pretty much the easiest elective course ever and you lot seem like you're familiar with the confines of a community college.)

Especially you.

EDIT: wasn't talking to you there Fenris, made the post while you were moderaterizing.

tbh it doesn't matter who you're addressing it to, it's not necessary to say. Chill pill. Deep breath. Go get schwasted, I don't care. Just stop shittin' up my forums.

[pochercoaster]

I'm of the mind that cravings for food when pregnant is just to see what lengths you'll go for them while they gain weight. Self esteem get's shot as the pregnancy goes on and they send you out to get them stuff because that helps boost their self esteem. That's my view anyways since my wife made me run around to get some stupid burger from some stupid restaurant then only ate half of it before claiming to be full even though she was "dieing of hunger."

This is a completely flawed conclusion in. When women are pregnant they're feeding another human being in addition to themselves. Their hormones actually do increase quite significantly- how do you think pregnancy tests work? And hormones consequently affect their entire system, including hunger.

Um, mammals besides humans also eat a lot more when they're pregnant. I don't think they do it to manipulate their mates.

[Kim]

The generalizations exist because there is some truth behind them. Pretending otherwise is silly.

You gonna tell me how it's okay to act like all black people are gangsters and all gay people will take advantage of a straight man given the first opportunity? Those are generalizations I'd call complete bullshit on, but you're saying there must be some truth to them if they're there.

[Krylo]

You gonna tell me how it's okay to act like [...] all gay people will take advantage of a straight man given the first opportunity?

Irony.

This is the definition of it.

Nor does it change the fact that denying they exist is about as useful as trying to stop a bullet with your teeth.

So you're saying it's a very useful skill to have. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxF2ouw8NJ0#t=4m45s)

[krogothwolf]

Flawed conclusion or not, considering how often I've had to search over for different types of food, even ones she never really liked before makes me think that way. What the heck is the difference from a burger made at home, from one joint to another? Nothing to me, but to my wife she wanted me to get a specific burger that was like an hour out of the way! I spent 2 hours getting that damn burger then she had half of it! HALF OF IT! I hate that place to because the people there are fairly rude.

I'm not saying they wont want more food, but when she would beg and plead for a specific type of a specific type of food makes me wonder.

[Funka Genocide]

Huh, wasn't aware accusations of community college based education constituted an insult, guess the wording did sort of imply that though.

Anyways, my main point seems to have been muddled somewhere along the way and intermixed with others. I pretty much stated the quintessence of it in my previous post. Gender roles exist as a societal construct and carry with them certain social pressures which lead to common expressions in the personalities of individuals who meet the arbitrary criteria of those roles.

Hope that makes more sense or raises less ire than my previous assertions, and if not then I suppose we have irreconcilable differences of opinion.

@Krylo: Well thats gone farther to disprove anything I've said in this thread than any other counterargument. I never really thought about my statement from the perspective a hip young martial artists possessed of "The Glow."

[pochercoaster]

When you're low in certain vitamins/proteins/whatever you start to crave foods that provide you with them. It's not a conscious thing, but most of what we do every day isn't conscious.

You don't have to be pregnant to experience cravings. For example, anemics often have a craving for ice.

[Kim]

Flawed conclusion or not, considering how often I've had to search over for different types of food, even ones she never really liked before makes me think that way. What the heck is the difference from a burger made at home, from one joint to another? Nothing to me, but to my wife she wanted me to get a specific burger that was like an hour out of the way! I spent 2 hours getting that damn burger then she had half of it! HALF OF IT! I hate that place to because the people there are fairly rude.

I'm not saying they wont want more food, but when she would beg and plead for a specific type of a specific type of food makes me wonder.

You aren't doing your argument any favors, Krogo...

[krogothwolf]

You gonna tell me how it's okay to act like all black people are gangsters and all gay people will take advantage of a straight man given the first opportunity? Those are generalizations I'd call complete bullshit on, but you're saying there must be some truth to them if they're there.

Didn't realize those were generalizations of black and gay people.

Just from my experience with woman most seem to be along the lines that they play manipulative games with their significant other. Not only that with relationships emotions are involved and that makes things unpredictable sometimes, Men and women are both the same when it comes to that.

When you're low in certain vitamins/proteins/whatever you start to crave foods that provide you with them. It's not a conscious thing, but most of what we do every day isn't conscious.

You don't have to be pregnant to experience cravings. For example, anemics often have a craving for ice.

That doesn't explain the need for specific burgers from specific places. Or a fresh batch of strawberries when there are decent ones in the fridge. Vitamins/proteins/whatever doesn't change between the same types of food. A beef burger with cheese from burger joint A is generally the same as a beef burger with cheese from burger joint B. They don't really add so much extra that she has to have the burger from there. She did the same with subs, apples, oranges, banana's, chicken. She wanted specific things for those that doesn't really change from one batch of apples to another. Again, I understand needing more food, but sending you out to get something else that's identical to what you have is not something that makes sense from that stand point.

[Kim]

Just from my experience with woman most seem to be along the lines that they play manipulative games with their significant other. Not only that with relationships emotions are involved and that makes things unpredictable sometimes, Men and women are both the same when it comes to that.

Plural of anecdote is not data.

You're going to hold biases regarding relationships you've been involved in that ended poorly.

You're going to buy into gender stereotypes because media and culture keeps reinforcing them.

Other reasons I haven't brought up because I'm lazy.

These are all explanations for you to coming to these conclusions, and none of them is that women are crazy/emotional/manipulative creatures because that's sexist bullshit nonsense.

[Funka Genocide]

I mostly agree with your points there NonCon with one caveat: to completely deny the reality of observable trends in social groups is counterproductive.

One shouldn't assume that those trends arise from some innate faculty (or lack thereof) however, but consider the society as a whole and determine where these behaviors arise from.

The method of correcting societal ills is not to believe really, really hard that they don't exist, basically. But to understand them completely and begin programs which counteract them at the source.

I mean, things like sexist sentiments that label all women as manipulative and passive- agressive and systemic racism DO exist. You have to figure out why and how these beliefs are propagated. A lot of times the stigmatized subculture is manipulated into verifying these stereotypes, or at least made to appear as if they do. It's far more complex than simply shaking your head and telling people they're bigots.

Also, not all social generalizations are inherently wrong, at least from my perspective. I mean in relationships one takes a role they are most comfortable with and looks for a partner that can compliment that role. I don't feel wrong that I am driven to make money, open doors and lift heavy objects. Just as I'm sure my fiance doesn't feel wrong that she enjoys cooking, does laundry and possesses a keen sense of fashion. These things might be stereotypical, but they also help define us and our place in society. They are, to some degree, necessary.

[krogothwolf]

You're going to hold biases regarding relationships you've been involved in that ended poorly.


Never said they ended poorly or otherwise. Still married and no reason it'll end poorly


You're going to buy into gender stereotypes because media and culture keeps reinforcing them.


Not basing anything off those.


These are all explanations for you to coming to these conclusions, and none of them is that women are crazy/emotional/manipulative creatures because that's sexist bullshit nonsense.
People are emotional in a relationship. Relationships are based on emotions. Emotions can make you crazy so yes woman are crazy. People like to manipulate others to get their way, win an argument. So yes woman are manipulative.

This has nothing to do with sexism, because men are the same way as well.

[Kim]

You can't retcon your posts, Krogo. You can't say women are crazy, different, and "ALIENS!" and then say "Well see it's a totally okay thing for me to say even while still treating them like valid assumptions about females because now I'm saying it's true about men, too." Especially when you've repeatedly gone out of your way in this very thread to justify the assumptions with shit like "Generalizations are there for a reason." You aren't fooling anybody.

EDIT: Funka, I still disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but if you had said that and not this whole "Women are alien and unknowable" bullshit I probably wouldn't have HRRRRNNNNNNGGGGHHHH'd at you. Just sayin'.

[Funka Genocide]

Well the term alien is applicable. I guess you have your right to disagree with my word choice, but it felt poetically appropriate at the time.

I was merely trying to illustrate in an emotive manner what I perceive to be a gulf between the sexes which manifests itself as misunderstandings from time to time. If you don't like my prose that's fair enough.

Would also like to point out that I haven't referred to anything you've posted as "bullshit" in this thread, or anything remotely resembling that. Might not be pertinent to you, however I feel it does much to cement my emotional neutrality on the issue.

EDIT: I take that back, I indirectly called you delusional, but I mean c'mon. Guys don't like football?

[pochercoaster]

I mean, things like sexist sentiments that label all women as manipulative and passive- agressive and systemic racism DO exist. You have to figure out why and how these beliefs are propagated. A lot of times the stigmatized subculture is manipulated into verifying these stereotypes, or at least made to appear as if they do. It's far more complex than simply shaking your head and telling people they're bigots.

This is mostly what I was getting at with this:

I think perspective has a lot to do with it.

Like, how many women who are passive aggressive manipulators really exist compared to how many women are portrayed in such a way in the media?

I don't think it's that many, really. But if you approach life with that mindset women will appear that way. The brain is a miraculous thing that can convince you of anything you want to believe.

But particularly this part:

or at least made to appear as if they do

Rather, you should not treat people you encounter in your daily life based on the stereotypes they can fit into. You can pull out any number of traits from someone that will conform to various stereotypes, but the whole is more than the sum of its parts.

[Funka Genocide]

TRather, you should not treat people you encounter in your daily life based on the stereotypes they can fit into. You can pull out any number of traits from someone that will conform to various stereotypes, but the whole is more than the sum of its parts.

I completely endorse this statement.

[krogothwolf]

Never said woman are aliens. Said they are freaky, bizarre and crazy.

And the steroid hormone difference between male and female do make them different since aspects of it affect mental health.

Never once did I say men aren't like this at all before hand.

[Kim]

Never said woman are aliens.

I still don't understand her cause girls are freaking aliens man! ALIENS!

If you're going to lie, at least try to cover your tracks.

Said they are freaky, bizarre and crazy.

And this is still a thing that you should not be saying.

Never once did I say men aren't like this at all before hand.

When going out of your way to specify another group, the unstated assumption is that your claims do not apply to the group you're a part of unless stated otherwise.

[pochercoaster]

Unfortunately you have to generalize sometimes for practical applications. For example, education.

Hypoethtical situation: even if at the moment it's true that girls are X and boys are Y and X is inferior to Y, if you are trying to change X so that it more closely resembles Y you can't achieve by continuing to treat girls in a manner that predisposes them to X.

Rather, it'd be kind of cool if there were less bimbos in the media. (That's what this is really about- my distaste for bimbos!)

[Funka Genocide]

I just want to state that you sound pretty much sexist Krogoth. Ha ha ha ha.

Like, I think most everyone reading this thread gets it by this point, no need to beat a dead horse. Probably doesn't affect your life too much or anything like that, nor do I really care personally, but you're just kind of digging yourself a hole here.

I guess there's a thin line between identifying the existence of societal trends (what I'm trying to do) and attributing arbitrary, near-universal predilection of certain activities to a subculture (what Krogoth seems to be doing) but I'd also like to think that it is, in fact, a line.

Also, I was just assuming that you (noncon) never had any interest in or experience with a heterosexual relationship and so your personal knowledge of the unique misunderstandings that might arise in such a relationship would be lacking, or at the least inadequate in comparison to someone who has experienced such things personally. I understand that most concepts are pretty straightforward and universal to most relationships, but I felt the nuance of male-female romantic relationships was a bit too ephemeral to fully grasp from an outside perspective.

Then again, in retrospect it was pretty insensitive so I apologize. (well, gratuitously insensitive I guess, I mean its not like I'm a paragon of sensitivity or some shit.)

[DarkDrgon]

well. This kinda went in a direction I never expected.

carry on, I have no input here beyond sighing, raising a glass, and saying "Fuckin women, man."

[Kim]

The worst kind of input.

[Archbio]

I think it's better than taking several paragraphs to signify the exact same thing, though.

So the second worst kind?

[Kim]

I think it's better than taking several paragraphs to signify the exact same thing, though.

So the second worst kind?

Yes. Somewhere in the list of worst kinds of input is "Fuckin' straight people," and, if just to prove a point, I really want to start using it.

[Satan's Onion]

So, to recap: We went full speed ahead right through "man, being dumped sucks donkey dick" to the corner of "Women and their crazy manipulatin' craziness, amirite fellas?" and "No, not really, women aren't a hive mind intent on making mischief for everything with testicles because that's a laughably broad generalization imposed by our inherently sexist society; you need to treat them as individuals", at which point it appears we all collided in a messy, fiery, gory collision and are currently flailing around in the wreckage.

tl;dr: This thread is crazy off-topic and also within a hairsbreadth of post limit, so I don't feel very bad about just closing the damn thing already before this becomes an even more massive trainwreck. P.S. Sorry your relationship went thhbpt, Drgon; sometimes shit happens, I guess.

[Fenris]

You people are very bad at following simple directions. Consider yourselves warned. Next time I catch you people bein' dicks at each other, you will receive a week ban.