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Seil
11-17-2010, 06:00 PM
So what with the advent of the colder weather, I decided to pick up some new gloves. I found a great pair of fingerless ones for, like, seven bucks. I'm actually wearing them right now. They're awesome - they might even trump the ones I bought in New York! (Though I at least have my ear muff things from New York that are pretty skookum, so it balances out.)

http://www.cacawc.com/media/gbu0/prodsm/olive%20glove.jpg

Loyal
11-17-2010, 06:12 PM
While I agree that fingerless gloves are excellent, I don't see how the "fingerless" part helps with cold weather. My fingers are the only part that ends up getting remarkably cold, gloves or no gloves, unless I'm handling snow.

I think it can be said that "'TitleX' or 'Title Y'" is officially a Seil thing now.

synkr0nized
11-17-2010, 06:19 PM
"It was a multicultural rainbow of dancing ... Everyone was wearing fingerless gloves!"



So, yeah, how is that helpful in the winter? The fingers, being on the extremity, get cold first/faster.

Fifthfiend
11-17-2010, 06:26 PM
They're helpful because you can smoke cigarettes without taking your gloves off.

And also probably other fingers-related program activities, I dunno. Typing? I could stand to have warmer hands while I'm typing.

rpgdemon
11-17-2010, 06:27 PM
I assume you don't live somewhere where it gets cold? XD

bluestarultor
11-17-2010, 06:40 PM
I assume you don't live somewhere where it gets cold? XD

Seil lives in Canada, and not even Lev's magic palm-tree city.

Fingerless gloves are nearly useless to me, speaking as a Wisconsinite. Even fingered gloves let your fingers get cold pretty quickly and I can't stand wearing mittens (having my fingers all bunched up and ruining my dexterity drives me batty, since they pathologically squirm to try to get free).

Best solution I have are a combination of the two, oddly. They're fingerless gloves with a mitten attachment that flips out of the way and velcros to the back.

Loyal
11-17-2010, 06:44 PM
Best solution I have are a combination of the two, oddly. They're fingerless gloves with a mitten attachment that flips out of the way and velcros to the back.They're practical, but they make you look like a tool if you're in anything other than heavy snow-wear.

Premmy
11-17-2010, 06:46 PM
I hate hats and I hate Ear-muffs, my solution is my patented two-bandana system. I'm not so good with gloves so I tend to just stick my hands in my pockets. I hate big cost so I jump to the under armour and thermals with a light jacket in cold weather.

BitVyper
11-17-2010, 08:27 PM
When I'm fully geared up for work at its coldest/windiest, not counting pants/shirt, I wear long underwear, thick socks, hiking shoes, ice cleats, gaiters, snow pants, a sweater over my shirt, a parka over that, two pairs of gloves (sometimes with the outer pair being fingerless), a balaclava, a neck warmer, a toque, and snow goggles if it's snowing hard. At this point, I am essentially impervious to heat loss.

That's just in super cold and windy weather though (because I'm stuck in it for hours on end). Up to about -20 C, I usually just wear a couple sweaters, a toque, and some gloves. After that, I add more as necessary.

Edit: And yeah, the benefit to fingerless gloves in the cold is manual dexterity and grip. Plus they still keep your thumb covered. Quite a few come with a mit that you can flip over your fingers when you don't need them. I don't generally use them though except as an outer layer.

CelesJessa
11-17-2010, 08:32 PM
Fingerless gloves are a godsend when you're in marching band and need to play a clarinet. Otherwise. Eh, I'll take normal gloves.

My favorite winter-wear item has to be scarves though. I love scarves in general.

Krylo
11-17-2010, 09:10 PM
When I'm fully geared up for work at its coldest/windiest, not counting pants/shirt, I wear long underwear, thick socks, hiking shoes, ice cleats, gaiters, snow pants, a sweater over my shirt, a parka over that, two pairs of gloves (sometimes with the outer pair being fingerless), a balaclava, a neck warmer, a toque, and snow goggles if it's snowing hard. At this point, I am essentially impervious to heat loss.

That's just in super cold and windy weather though (because I'm stuck in it for hours on end). Up to about -20 C, I usually just wear a couple sweaters, a toque, and some gloves. After that, I add more as necessary.

Edit: And yeah, the benefit to fingerless gloves in the cold is manual dexterity and grip. Plus they still keep your thumb covered. Quite a few come with a mit that you can flip over your fingers when you don't need them. I don't generally use them though except as an outer layer.

Wow. Somebody's a pussy.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche
11-17-2010, 09:14 PM
Wow. Somebody's a pussy.

Is it my cat?

Premmy
11-17-2010, 09:15 PM
does it spend a lot of time in your lap?

Eltargrim
11-17-2010, 09:26 PM
Wow. Somebody's a pussy.

Depends on the weather. Layering is smart, though. I'd usually take a layer out, but I'm rarely stationary in the cold.

Krylo
11-17-2010, 09:29 PM
I live in Minnesota.

-20 Celsius is when I break out the winter jacket.

Edit: To put this in perspective, I highly doubt Bit can even MOVE the way he is dressed. He has 4 layers on his feet/lower legs, 3 layers on his legs, 3 layers on his torso/arms (four if he's wearing a top for that thermal underwear), 2 layers on his hands, 2 layers on his head, 2 layers on his neck, and GOGGLES.

He has got to look like that kid from A Christmas Story.

This one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW4IZ0Flh3M).

In fact, Randy there is wearing less than Bit.

Eltargrim
11-17-2010, 09:49 PM
I live in Winnipeg. We're not only further north, but I dare say we're at least as windy. 4 layers is perfectly reasonable when you're out in -30C for an extended period, especially when they're not 4 sweaters.

A shirt and sweater? Totally fine. Shirt, sweater, and shell? Also fine. Long underwear doesn't make it much thicker or restrictive.

BitVyper
11-17-2010, 10:00 PM
Wow. Somebody's a pussy.

Somebody doesn't have to work in -50 with no chances to warm up all day.

-30 is sissy weather if you're spending less than an hour in it fyi.

Krylo
11-17-2010, 10:00 PM
I guess if you're 12?

Edit@Bit: Dude. Northern ass Minnesota.

I'm uneducated.

The math: Do it.

-30 is sissy weather if you're spending less than an hour in it fyi.This we agree on, however.

BitVyper
11-17-2010, 10:07 PM
I'm uneducated.

Noticed!

Krylo
11-17-2010, 10:09 PM
Oh shit.

Guys, I think I need to go get my balaclava. Bit's wicked ice burn is giving me frost bite.

BitVyper
11-17-2010, 10:19 PM
I think I need to go get my balaclava.

Make sure you wear something over it. Otherwise it catches the moisture from your breath and freezes solid to your beard.

Viridis
11-17-2010, 10:26 PM
I'm worse than all of you. I think of around 40°F as terrible. Mostly because I live in Louisiana and thus have different standards. And I'm too skinny to really have insulation.


....
So now I have to spend time in a Walmart freezer. So yeah.


Could be worse. A friend of mine has actually developed an allergy to the cold. In the current weather, she gets hives and trouble breathing unless she bundles up.

bluestarultor
11-17-2010, 10:27 PM
Fingerless gloves are a godsend when you're in marching band and need to play a clarinet. Otherwise. Eh, I'll take normal gloves.

My favorite winter-wear item has to be scarves though. I love scarves in general.

Speaking as a clarinetist, it's impossible to play with any other kind. First off because the sound quality probably isn't as good, but second because those things are slippery little buggers and you're often supporting them with nothing but the bottom thumb tab and your mouth. We were the only instrument in band that had to cut the fingers of our marching gloves off. Clarinets have the distinction of being pretty much the only marching instrument with actual holes your fingers have to cover as far as I know.

Specterbane
11-17-2010, 10:29 PM
I really can't knock layering, though I've never worn THAT many layers. To be fair I've also never been THAT far north.

But honestly fingerless gloves have always been as useless to be as normal gloves. The only effective means I've found of keeping my poor circulation from turning my fingers to icicle digits it to tuck them into my sleeves so that the ridiculous heat from my arms keeps them warm.

Fenris
11-17-2010, 10:32 PM
Clarinets have the distinction of being pretty much the only marching instrument with actual holes your fingers have to cover as far as I know.

Flutes, piccolos.

Yrcrazypa
11-17-2010, 10:36 PM
I'm worse than all of you. I think of around 40°F as terrible. Mostly because I live in Louisiana and thus have different standards. And I'm too skinny to really have insulation.


I'm a twig, but I can go outside in a t-shirt and shorts in 40°F without being too cold. Then again, I grew up much farther north, and didn't have a very well insulated bedroom. It got VERY cold at night, so I had to use so many blankets that movement was nearly impossible just to stay warm.

BitVyper
11-17-2010, 10:49 PM
I really can't knock layering, though I've never worn THAT many layers.

It's basically two full layers with a lot of little things that serve specific purposes added in as specific conditions arise. I wear the full on apocalypse get-up two or three times a year when it's cold as fuck, with bad windchill on top, and heavy snow. But that's for spending a full day in it.

Most of the time, I try to set it up so that I'll be just cold enough not to sweat, but that's more of a prudence thing than a prove-your-manhood thing.

Seil
11-17-2010, 10:54 PM
F*** my manhood. If it's cold, I'll put on a sweater or a jacket. I'm not getting cold just to have a penis-measuring contest.

We'd all probably lose anyway.

BitVyper
11-17-2010, 10:57 PM
Well, if you're getting cold for a dick-measuring contest, you'll DEFINITELY lose. It's generally advisable to stay warm for that.

Marc v4.0
11-17-2010, 11:13 PM
Generally unless it's 20 or lower I long shirt(not sweater) and jeans it.

If it is really windy or wet or below 20, I thow on my duster and gloves. I have been cold enough to throw the fur liner in the duster once or twice but any colder then that and I set something on fire to get warm, don't fucking go anywhere, or Deal.

bluestarultor
11-17-2010, 11:14 PM
Flutes, piccolos.

I thought flutes were all keys? :confused:

Fenris
11-18-2010, 12:00 AM
I thought flutes were all keys? :confused:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41xSm72ZdLL._SL500_.jpg
http://lynnfield.ca/flute.jpghttp://www.stagedive.org/wp-content/uploads/Open%20Hole%20Flute.jpg
http://www.netinstruments.com/pics/31190.jpg

synkr0nized
11-18-2010, 12:55 AM
ITT: band geeks

CelesJessa
11-18-2010, 01:04 AM
Speaking as a clarinetist, it's impossible to play with any other kind. First off because the sound quality probably isn't as good, but second because those things are slippery little buggers and you're often supporting them with nothing but the bottom thumb tab and your mouth. We were the only instrument in band that had to cut the fingers of our marching gloves off. Clarinets have the distinction of being pretty much the only marching instrument with actual holes your fingers have to cover as far as I know.

Fun fact: you can actually get away with wearing gloves and playing clarinet/flute/instruments. If you wear tight rubber gloves over your normal winter gloves, it's still possible to play. You look like a freak though.

bluestarultor
11-18-2010, 01:12 AM
@Fenris: I honestly never noticed that. I guess it's sort of both. :raise:

PyrosNine
11-18-2010, 02:10 AM
As a warm weather kind of person, I wear a T-Shirt under a sweater, under a jacket, with boots, thick khakis. On my head, I wear a hat, scarf, and a bandanna tied around my face like a bandit.

I had a nice pair of leather gloves, but they fell out of my pocket and someone ran off with them despite them having phone numbers in them just for that reason! So i mismatch a winterwear glove I found on the side of the road with one half of a pair of yardwork gloves (can't find the other half).

So I'm pretty protected, you'd think.

On really cold days, I wear thermal underwear under everything aforementioned.

Amake
11-18-2010, 03:04 AM
I like to go barefoot in the deep snow to freak people out.

Actually I like to go barefoot everywhere. The freaking out is just a bonus.

Okay, I mostly dress pretty warm in the winter because people actually feel colder when they see someone playing in a snow drift in shorts and t-shirt. I care!

Mostly.

Shin Amakiir
11-18-2010, 10:56 AM
I don't have a lot of money. As such, I have normal pants, a t-shirt, and a zip-up hoodie I'm too lazy to zip. Oh, and NEW (Oct.) shoes that already have holes... I'm blaming my housemates for that one.

I should get some hiking boots for traction... My University has a LOT of stairs.

Oh, and I guess I have a toque, but I don't like to wear it. It has a thing on top.

shiney
11-18-2010, 11:51 AM
Google ad:

Stylish Fingerless Gloves The Original BumGloves Now available online. Order today! BumGloves.com

I think that says a lot about this thread when the first thing I saw was about hobos.

Wigmund
11-18-2010, 11:54 AM
I wear cold-weather construction gloves when need be. Usually while I'm trying to scrap an inch of ice off my car before classes or work.

Those with a light-weight coat and some thermal underwear and I can stand the coldest weather of Arkansas (usually mid teens during winter, though we do get occasional periods of near-zero or negative temps).

I hope it's a nasty winter this year. I want another white Christmas and a foot of snow during Spring Break.

phil_
11-18-2010, 12:55 PM
I hope it's a nasty winter this year. I want another white Christmas and a foot of snow during Spring Break.No. You stop that. I missed a month of work last winter with all the snow.

Doc ock rokc
11-18-2010, 05:46 PM
Down here about 5 feet above hell (Texas) we hit 56 F or 13.33 C with a 48f (8.89 C) windchill. I got a little nippy and wore a light jacket with the sleeves rolled up. The chances I get a white Christmas or even thanksgiving is about...moot.

Sky Warrior Bob
11-18-2010, 07:31 PM
Hey any suggestions for a really warm hat, that doesn't look too bad?

Last year, I got something like this hat (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BUKIX8/ref=oss_product), but it had really bad ear protection. (Hat is warm & wind resistant, but ear flaps aren't.)

It looks somewhat good, and at least doesn't mess with my hair too much. Just wondering if there's anything better out there.

(preference on solid colors, if choice available.)

SWB

Premmy
11-18-2010, 08:01 PM
Fuck hats, bandannas all the way

Terex4
11-18-2010, 08:35 PM
I just wear a jacket and gloves. I can't get away with putting my hands in my pockets because I always have a cigarette in my hand....always.

Sometimes I'll wear a hat but that's more for vanity than anything practical (I have a large forehead).

Specterbane
11-18-2010, 08:47 PM
Personally I use a head band to cover my ears, though it can dry out your forehead if you use a crappy one like mine. But it's effective, so I'm assuming the bandanna method should work for you too.

Darth SS
11-18-2010, 09:12 PM
So, yesterday morning I had a little bit of snow on my lawn, but otherwise that was it. My driveway and car were totally clear. When I went to bed it was a similar situation. This was when I woke up at about 8AM.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/WarhammerGeek/IMGP0002.jpg

Loyal
11-18-2010, 09:39 PM
One nice thing about living in an overpriced apartment complex is that there's an underground garage so I don't need to deal with that crap.

Then again I'd sooner walk anyway if the snow is fresh - before the buses and the exhaust makes everything all disgusting and slushy.

Darth SS
11-18-2010, 09:51 PM
You don't "get" how deep that snow is. The drift between cars was halfway up my shin.

BitVyper
11-18-2010, 10:17 PM
Yeah, we had a few dumps like that last year. In fact, it was like we just got WINTERED three times, with like three feet of snow each time, and then no snow the rest of the year.

I remember being unable to park anywhere near my apartment complex, because even the street around it just plain couldn't be driven on without tank treads (seriously, people were stuck all over the place). I had to park overnight at the grocery store and walk home.

Premmy
11-18-2010, 10:34 PM
I walk to and from work every day and it never snows...



nuyaaaaaaaahhhhh :P

Eltargrim
11-18-2010, 10:41 PM
Darth, we're getting that same system now. I know what to look forward to now :D

Seil
11-19-2010, 12:05 AM
Go for this hat. (http://thecraftytortoise.blogspot.com/2009/10/monkey-ear-flap-hat.html)

Ho Jeebus, we forgot to make a "Ho Jeebus It's Snowing" thread.

Viridis
11-19-2010, 12:36 AM
Down here about 5 feet above hell (Texas) we hit 56 F or 13.33 C with a 48f (8.89 C) windchill. I got a little nippy and wore a light jacket with the sleeves rolled up. The chances I get a white Christmas or even thanksgiving is about...moot.It's snowed in my area about four times in my life. Never more than an inch or two.

So yeah, moot.

phil_
11-19-2010, 01:27 AM
What are the pros and cons to tire chains? Is there any reason I shouldn't invest in some to totally stick it to everyone else on the East coast?

Krylo
11-19-2010, 01:41 AM
They're illegal in a lot of areas because they completely fuck up the roads.

phil_
11-19-2010, 02:08 AM
They're illegal in a lot of areas because they completely fuck up the roads.I guess I'll look into that, then, because I'm using them if I can. Fuck the roads, VA's roads are full of potholes anyway.

bluestarultor
11-19-2010, 02:14 AM
They're illegal in a lot of areas because they completely fuck up the roads.

Beat me to the punch.


Also, in most cases, normal snow tires work well enough. I live in Wisconsin and can say I can count the times I've seen tire chains on one hand. We're surrounded on three sides by water and snow in the winter is just a fact of life. It's actually snowing here already. We got a couple inches back home last weekend and it's not unheard of to have some by Halloween. Thanksgiving is invariably white.

So really, unless your plow system is utter shit and you get a metric ton of snow per square inch every winter, there's no reason to have chains.

Seil
11-19-2010, 02:20 AM
Thanksgiving is invariably white.

You crazy Americans and your crazy "Have Thanksgiving In November!"

Viridis
11-19-2010, 02:25 AM
Thanksgiving does not exist, you silly people. Well maybe it does, but only as a satellite holiday to Christmas. Walmart has their Holiday stuff up and started playing Christmas jingles today*. Thanksgiving is no longer a notable Thing.


*It was neat to listen to today, because it's played low. Let's see how long it takes to get on my nerves.

bluestarultor
11-19-2010, 02:49 AM
You crazy Americans and your crazy "Have Thanksgiving In November!"

It's not our fault you Canadians are so thankful you can't wait for the real day! ;p

PyrosNine
11-19-2010, 03:17 AM
Because bum gloves are so cool, I cut off the fingertips of some old work gloves I found on the side of the road, and now I have my own pair! Now I can use my touch screen possessing devices WITH GLOVES ON!

Which was really annoying. My hands are warm, but I can't answer a phone call!

Darth SS
11-19-2010, 11:38 AM
Get the ones with the flaps that flip over and turn your gloves into mittens. I've had a pair of those for 7 years and while they are due for replacement I maintain that they are the best piece of winter gear that I have ever owned.

Terisse
11-19-2010, 12:43 PM
Winter... wear? I don't usually need anything remotely warm until it hits about 5 C or lower. And in cases of heavy rain/snow/wind, I've got my leather coat, leather gloves, surplus army boots and some thick jeans. Usually, I'll just be wearing the same thing from 35 C down to 5 C. But that's because I'm built for climates like northern Europe, not northern Georgia.

Sky Warrior Bob
11-19-2010, 12:49 PM
Go for this hat. (http://thecraftytortoise.blogspot.com/2009/10/monkey-ear-flap-hat.html)

Ho Jeebus, we forgot to make a "Ho Jeebus It's Snowing" thread.

No, a thousand times no. As for me, I need a hat. I've got bad circulation in my right ear, and already got frost bit in said ear once. Not something I want to repeat.

SWB

Hanuman
11-19-2010, 03:36 PM
It snowed last night in vancouver, I tucked my hands into each other's arms sleeves and I was fine. Good trick, seals your sleeves like a tunnel AND warms your hands keeping your whole body warm. But yeah, I think us canadians can all agree that a hat is def. the way to go, without a hat it's like leaving the lid off a warm drink!

Seil
11-19-2010, 04:17 PM
SWB, what teh eff? That's an awesome hat! Methinks you should go for something like this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZmyhCaqOHA)

Lev - I saw the weather report and I'm jealous. We're supposed to get it tonight, but I dunno.

And you'd totally look like... let's say Splinter, what with your hands in your sleeves.

Shin Amakiir
11-20-2010, 11:00 AM
Yeah, we got snow last night... Facebook was all atwitter about it. Still going this morning.

I should go buy some winter crap.

Specterbane
11-20-2010, 11:20 AM
You know, if anyone's going to recommend hats it should be this one.
http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles2/a96963_a596_2-Cthulhu.jpg

Hanuman
11-21-2010, 04:46 AM
And you'd totally look like... let's say Splinter, what with your hands in your sleeves. That's about right actually, didn't notice it before but that's pretty much the tai chi neutral posture. Might have to watch ninja turtles some time to recall how splinter fights... it just seems odd that "Ninja" would have internal martial arts.

Premmy
11-21-2010, 04:49 AM
Splinter generally karate chops the shit out of things, then walks around with his arms in his sleeves to give off a monk-ish appearance.

Hanuman
11-21-2010, 05:12 AM
That's really odd, karate generally peaks around 30-40.

Premmy
11-21-2010, 05:19 PM
Splinter's a rat he's probably fifteen years old..

Seil
11-21-2010, 08:40 PM
Eff gloves, I'm buying a snow suit.

http://www.99chan.in/tttm/src/128216026424.jpg

Darth SS
11-21-2010, 08:55 PM
No, buy a onesie.

Not joking here, you will not believe how unebelievably warm and comfy they are. Best purchase I have made in the past couple of months, by far.

pochercoaster
11-21-2010, 09:07 PM
Fuck the cold. When it hits zero I start wearing my toque and gloves. If by chance I forgot them at home and I have to go without I'll live but the wind makes it intolerable for me. Sure, I was born and raised Canadian in rural Ontario but I do not have an affinity for snow or the cold. This stems from the fact that I grew up in a very big and old gas-heated farmhouse. It was too expensive to heat during the day (we conserved the gas by turning it on for a couple hours at night and left the heat completely off the rest of the time) so we to had wear our winter coats indoors for at least 3 months out of the year. On the whole it was an extremely unpleasant experience.

I get along fine with normal gloves. It took me awhile to perfect text messaging while wearing them but I don't find that they significantly reduce my dexterity.

walkertexasdruid
11-22-2010, 03:24 AM
I live in South Carolina (one of the Infinate Layers of the Abyss), it can get cold in December, January, and February, and we might see snow one day a year. It is kind of funny whenever there is the threat of snow, everyone gets panicked and the whole state shuts itself down. When I lived in Northeast Ohio, that was cold. Everything along Lake Erie gets lake effect snow, and we would see a whole bunch of it. Up there, we are talking at least six inches of snow every day and about 25 F, so I would wear a sweater, jeans, a heavy winter coat, gloves, a warm hat, and a scarf, and if it was one of level three disaster area days (six foot snow drifts on the roads), I would wear a thick set of snow pants, not to mention snow boots. In SC the most I wear is a heavy winter coat. My sister was married at the end of December down here, and it was close to 70 F that day. On the band geek note, I played the clarinet as well, and we were marching on the field one football night when Tropical Storm Bertha made its way through Ohio. We had on raincoats, but the rain was coming in sideways, so it was the wettist I ever was in marching band.

Shin Amakiir
11-22-2010, 09:27 AM
it was the wettist I ever was in marching band.

That's what she said.

I'm posting from my iPhone, so it was annoying to erase the prior text.

On the topical side I bought gloves for five bucks and water-proof hiking boots for 20% off. Now I'm cool in the cold.

I'll go back to lurking.

Satan's Onion
11-22-2010, 10:17 AM
So the sky just dumped a bunch of snow on us overnight, which will make going out and doing things much more difficult (we live on a hill, and nobody respects the speed limit in any weather, which makes just pulling out of the driveway a nail-biter). This means I finally have to stop wearing my sandals and put on real shoes for a change. On the bright side, however, I get to bust out some of my favorite winter hats. (I have many, many hats.)

Hanuman
11-22-2010, 11:43 PM
Splinter's a rat he's probably fifteen years old..
Didn't splinter start learning karate before he got mutated or what?

Krylo
11-22-2010, 11:44 PM
He learned it by watching his human owner.

Hanuman
11-22-2010, 11:51 PM
Yeah but was that pre or post mutation? I remember seeing splinter as a rat doing the kata, was silly.

DarkDrgon
11-23-2010, 12:26 AM
pre mutation

Seil
11-23-2010, 01:03 AM
I've got no clue. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYZu3swH6KY#t=6m40s)

synkr0nized
11-23-2010, 01:07 AM
Well. It depends on your source material.
He learned from watching his former owner do karate and then mimicking/practicing on his own [movies] OR he is that martial artist and was just mutated [cartoon].

I have no idea what the comics claim.

Shin Amakiir
11-23-2010, 01:07 AM
My childhood says pre-mutation... He was just a really smart rat. He got all mutated and gathered the turtles up right there and then ran to the sewers. How'd he get out, again? Or was he just on a stroll?

...

How did we get on this topic?

Edit: Well. It depends on your source material.
He learned from watching his former owner do karate and then mimicking/practicing on his own [movies] OR he is that martial artist and was just mutated [cartoon].

I have no idea what the comics claim.

From what I remember, the newer cartoon (TMNT) says he learned from his master.

Seil
11-23-2010, 01:48 AM
Yeah, the first movie doesn't really have any... oh, wait a minute. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKSgSPA2sKY)