Obama 2012

[Bells]

So, the guy is in for the long run going for term 2 on a new campaign and a new slogan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-VZLvVF1FQ

"It begins with us"

So i guess it hasn't begun yet?

Now, as an international observer, i get to see things from another perspective, while loosing the internal perspective of actually being in that culture and living in that country. So, here is the thing... the guy doesn't seem that bad, and it's really hard to do a decent job when half of the people you work with are assholes and half of the other half seem incompetent.

Still, it seems like considering all... it was best than what was expected and better than what could've been. So... overall good enough ?

Again, as an International Observer, whatever the hell happens in the USA kinda resonates everywhere else in the world. In politics, economy specially.

So, i don't know if you guys are picking him again, or maybe someone else... but could you pretty please with a cherry on top, not pick one of the asshole nutjobs that seem to be on the opposed side? Like... i heard you get some independents every now and then, how about some of those?

[Azisien]

2008: Obama. Hope and change. Yes we can!

2011: Obama. ...At least he ain't Republican?

[Jagos]

If Ron Wyden comes up as a candidate please, vote for him. Yes, he's Republican to get into the Senate, but this is a guy that was a Libertarian. He will fight for a smaller government. And he's not crazy like the Tea Party nuts.

[rpgdemon]

Should this be in the news forum?

I honestly don't know who/what I'll vote for in the coming election yet. I've never been a huge Obama supporter though.

[Kim]

He will fight for a smaller government.

That sure is a nice set of buzzwords that means different things depending on who is saying it.

As in, if the person means fewer regulations on big business, lesser taxes for the rich, a weaker safety net for the poor, etc, I don't see any way in which they are not a awful candidate.

[Fenris]

2008: Obama. Hope and change. Yes we can!

2011: Obama. ...At least he ain't Republican?

Good enough for me.

[Jagos]

That sure is a nice set of buzzwords that means different things depending on who is saying it.

As in, if the person means fewer regulations on big business, lesser taxes for the rich, a weaker safety net for the poor, etc, I don't see any way in which they are not a awful candidate.

He's questioned the ICE takedowns (http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/bert-knabe/2011-02-04/senator-ron-wyden-questions-ice-about-domain-seizures)

Wants debate on Patriot Act instead of automatic passing of it (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/23/senator-vows-to-reform-patriot-act/)

Wants GE to pay their taxes (http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/04/04/ron-wyden-talks-about-wyden-coats-and-getting-ge-to-pay-taxes.aspx)

Resimplify the Tax codes (http://wyden.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/?id=6afc0695-e536-45eb-82ac-90c9c167c7c0)

He seems pretty stand up.

[Krylo]

That sure is a nice set of buzzwords that means different things depending on who is saying it.

As in, if the person means fewer regulations on big business, lesser taxes for the rich, a weaker safety net for the poor, etc, I don't see any way in which they are not a awful candidate.

Well libertarian generally suggests they mean it in every conceivable way, but it doesn't matter, because a libertarian candidate will only be able to advance the agenda of smaller government along those lines in most cases.

[Solid Snake]

While I will be sorely tempted to write in Pinkie Pie as my preferred Presidential candidate, every time I feel that temptation I'll force myself to imagine what it would be like if Sarah Palin was President of the United States of America.

...and then I'd puke.

...and then I'd vote Obama.

[BitVyper]

Palin is the president this system deserves.

[Flarecobra]

Depends on who the other person will be.

[Bells]

Palin is the president this system deserves.

Which makes me really nervous to think that Donald Trump is also running for the same job as she -and- for the same party.

And that fucker has the money and the ego to actually think he can win. Sarah Palin just lives on Lalala Land where she actually thinks she is a Political candidate able to rule a world superpower

[Hatake Kakashi]

world superpower

Don't you worry. With the way the douchebags in our government are unable to get anything done even when they have a solid majority, rather than a pissing contest with a minority that's determined to take a shit on the people to make a statement, we won't be one for much longer.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Channnnnnnngeeeeeeeeeee, changggggggggggggggggeeeeeeeeee, changgggggggggggeeeeeeee


I'm on the Trump train! Choooo choooo! Chooo chooo! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hNsH6FCKI4)
When O'Reilly thinks you are a bit nuts you are clearly a correct thinker.

[Magic_Marker]

Palin is the president this system deserves.

Because she's the president America deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt her because she can take it.

[bluestarultor]

Barring something catastrophic, voting Obama. It's really not his fault the country as it is; Congress is what needed to get its act together with the whole "reaching across the aisle" bullshit. "Reaching across the aisle" is something you do when you need the other side's votes and/or the other side is actually being reasonable, neither of which was the case.

[Fifthfiend]

It's really not his fault the country as it is; Congress is what needed to get its act together with the whole "reaching across the aisle" bullshit.

Obama's one of the biggest proponents of reaching across the aisle, though.

That the Republicans go ahead and call him a communazi socialist who refuses to compromise on anything, anyway, is a lot of what you need to know about both the Republicans and the Democrats.

None of this post should be taken as saying you shouldn't vote for Obama in the general election.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Obama's one of the biggest proponents of reaching across the aisle, though.

That the Republicans go ahead and call him a communazi socialist who refuses to compromise on anything, anyway, is a lot of what you need to know about both the Republicans and the Democrats.

Definitely. Reaching across the aisle has been one of his biggest problems, he just can't quite seem to figure out that republicans aren't interested in sharing power, compromise or his ideals.

[Magic_Marker]

In 2007 and 2008 I thought reaching across the aisle was a wonderful idea. But in the last years in practice is only means that Republicans obstruct government, forcing Democrats to herd themselves like cats to get anything done at all.

That does not a good government make.

Anyway, I don't personally think Obama will have *too* much trouble being re-elected. The Republican party is more radicalized now than it has been in years and I don't see a moderate conservative like McCain winning the nomination. Voter turnout is always better during presidential elections than during off years additionally. I just don't see a single Republican on the national scale that has any appeal past the Tea Party.

Obama has progressives votes because, while he's more moderate, and sometimes downright conservative, than they'd like, he isn't Sarah Palin. And Moderates will vote for him because right now Newt fucking Gingrich (http://www.theonion.com/articles/even-newt-gingrich-a-little-depressed-by-prospect,19837/) is a contender for the nomination.

We're seeing true libertarianism in the house however. This may serve to break some of the homogeneity of the Republican party as freshman congressmen with R's on their name are none too fond of the Patriot Act.

[bluestarultor]

In 2007 and 2008 I thought reaching across the aisle was a wonderful idea. But in the last years in practice is only means that Republicans obstruct government, forcing Democrats to herd themselves like cats to get anything done at all.

That does not a good government make.

Pretty much this. It was buzz words that sounded good at the time, but they made the mistake of actually trying it.


We're seeing true libertarianism in the house however. This may serve to break some of the homogeneity of the Republican party as freshman congressmen with R's on their name are none too fond of the Patriot Act.

The Patriot Act being killed would make me all kinds of happy. It's encouraging to know there are still decent people left in the Republican party.

[POS Industries]

I'm more curious to see if there's anyone within the Democratic Party willing to challenge him in the primary. Sure, the answer's obviously a giant "no" but boy howdy would it be nice to maybe have someone I can feel good about voting for next year.

Looking at you, Kucinich. Now is your time!

[shiney]

Hot though his wife may be Kucinich probably isn't getting anywhere near the oval office because he lacks the charisma necessary to fool the average dumbshit that he's worthwhile.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Definitely. Reaching across the aisle has been one of his biggest problems, he just can't quite seem to figure out that republicans aren't interested in sharing power, compromise or his ideals.

Or he refuses to believe they aren't interested.

[Aldurin]

One potential candidate I noticed a while back was Donald Trump. A big entrepreneur businessman type person who's saying that he's going to be really assertive towards other countries, especially with China (possibly problematic since he might force them to use our debt to destroy us). He also seems intent on economically revitalizing America too. I can't remember if he affiliates himself with a party, but it'd be interesting to see an actual businessman take a crack at fixing the economy instead of politicians who may or may not have ever run a business or know what it takes to run one.

I'm undecided on who I'm voting for at the time, but I'll watch as the campaigning progresses further and figure this out.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Haha watch the video I posted! It'll sell you on the merits of the Trumpnado. If he decides to run it'll be on the Republican ticket.
Kicking ass, taking names,
you're fired Iraq! You're fired China! You're fired Obama!

[Azisien]

Channnnnnnngeeeeeeeeeee, changggggggggggggggggeeeeeeeeee, changgggggggggggeeeeeeee


I'm on the Trump train! Choooo choooo! Chooo chooo! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hNsH6FCKI4)
When O'Reilly thinks you are a bit nuts you are clearly a correct thinker.

So yeah I just watched this in earnest.

My immediate response. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA)

[walkertexasdruid]

I think I like Trump as well. I am sure that he will have a very "classy" running mate. Although the fact that SMB loves him confuses me. I would have thought that social-commie Kucinich would be more his speed.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

But the deficit is massive and growing! We need some way to fix this. Who gives you value for your money, who optimises efficiency? A high powered businessmen proven in the cauldron of the market not some pampered beaurecrat living off the public all his live.

[walkertexasdruid]

But is not the massive deficit hurtling us faster towards the workers revolution that you dream about? Don't tell me you are a capitalist now.

[Kim]

But is not the massive deficit hurtling us faster towards the workers revolution that you dream about?

Exactly! That's why Smarty supports Trump.

[Fifthfiend]

http://i.imgur.com/iAH4A.gif

[Professor Smarmiarty]

You seem to be implying Trump is incompetent Fifth! His net worth is 2.7 billion! What is yours!

[Fifthfiend]

If only I had mastered the Art of being born to wealthy parents losing billions of dollars' worth of other people's money The Deal.

[Fifthfiend]

On the other hand my net worth has never been negative three billion dollars, sooooooooooo

[Professor Smarmiarty]

You got to lose money to make money! Thats capitalism baby!
And Trump is either massively in the negative or massively in the positive! The US is currentely massively in the negative so logically he can only take us to the positive!
Also spending other people's money! Trump is excellent at that! Most of us have experience only with our own money!

[walkertexasdruid]

Exactly! That's why Smarty supports Trump.

You may have a good point there. ;)

[Magus]

Trump's greatest claim to fame was he apparently ripped Gaddafi off on a property sale.

Except of course that just means he ripped the Libyan people off on a property since that is where Gaddafi got all of his money.

Whoopsies.

EDIT: Oh I forgot the hair the hair is famous

[walkertexasdruid]

I think that Vince McMahhan should also run. Then he could have a rematch against Donald Trump, winner runs for the Repblican Nomination in 2012. And it should be a Hell in a Cell match. (oh yes, my thread killing skills are rushing back to me. Mwa-ha-ha!) ;-)

[Magus]

One potential candidate I noticed a while back was Donald Trump. A big entrepreneur businessman type person who's saying that he's going to be really assertive towards other countries, especially with China (possibly problematic since he might force them to use our debt to destroy us). He also seems intent on economically revitalizing America too. I can't remember if he affiliates himself with a party, but it'd be interesting to see an actual businessman take a crack at fixing the economy instead of politicians who may or may not have ever run a business or know what it takes to run one.

I'm undecided on who I'm voting for at the time, but I'll watch as the campaigning progresses further and figure this out.

I keep thinking Aldurin is a joke account when I read stuff like this, but it's just what he thinks!

I think it's quite telling that the Republicans are so devoid of charm or charisma that their best attempt at a candidate is probably Mitt Romney or that Pawlenty guy (who is he again?). They need to find an affable middle-aged African American man who is capable of lying through his teeth about his policies and plans for when he is president.

[walkertexasdruid]

I think that the Republicans had some momemtum after the 2010 Mid Term elections. But now they are ticking off the Union people in states such as Wisconson and Ohio. Thus, I think the backlash from many people in those states will help Obama get re-elected, and it may help the Dems gain back the House of Representatives.

[BloodyMage]

Did...did you say backlash?

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z255/D1M17R15/BACK2003.png

[walkertexasdruid]

Did...did you say backlash?

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z255/D1M17R15/BACK2003.png

Yet another WWE reference:

Backlash 2012: "The Rock" Obama (thank you SNL) vs. Donald "You're Fired" Trump in a Union Workers Lumberjack Match. Winner becomes President of the United States. Special Guest Referee John Kerry. I like it, I like it very much. :dance: