Catholic Mass Offers Comfort To Gays And Lesbians

[Seil]

Link (http://articles.boston.com/2011-07-11/news/29761860_1_lesbian-gay-pride-month-gay-rights-movement)

To be completely honest, I dun know if this story violates the "Ro Religious Discussion." rule, but I felt it was too good not to share. Hell, we've reached the consensus on the forum of how okay it is to be gay, and to serve in the military, and to get married. This is a story of how homsexuals are... well, it's in the title. It's essentially a human interest story, and I find it interesting how human we all are. (http://nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=39483)

The Rainbow Ministry of St. Cecilia’s Church opened its doors to nearly 700 people yesterday for a long-awaited Mass in support of gay and lesbian Catholics, capping a month of controversy over the Boston Archdiocese’s postponement of the service.

A standing-room-only crowd, larger than Easter Sunday’s, packed the pews to hear the Rev. John J. Unni’s characteristically fiery message of love, acceptance, and the forgiveness of sins.

Unni’s message, which encouraged the congregation to welcome outcasts as Jesus did 2,000 years ago, was similar to that of weeks past. The difference yesterday, parishioners said, was Unni’s courage to say those words during a Mass that has drawn so much vitriol as well as passionate support.

[Pip Boy]

Being a straight person, I just have to ask, what is it with homosexuals being associated with rainbows all the time? Isn't choosing a symbol like that to identify with just going to reinforce a lot of negetive gay stereotypes?

[Kim]

What's negative about rainbows?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Yeah Pip, Rainbows are awesome.

Especially the ones on fire. :)

[Grimpond]

Being a straight person, I just have to ask, what is it with homosexuals being associated with rainbows all the time? Isn't choosing a symbol like that to identify with just going to reinforce a lot of negetive gay stereotypes?


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[Amake]

Rainbows are made up of different colors, and because of that they're wonderful. It symbolizes how everyone doesn't have to be the same, and in fact the world may be the better for having different people in it.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Or how beautiful intermingling light should be harshly segregated into its individual groups.

[Amake]

Groups? Aren't the colors just different parts of the same spectrum?

At any rate we can hardly call it "harsh" segregation when sunlight mixes with rain. It's just a natural phenomenon. It's not our fault.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

So are you saying gays and straights, white and blacks aren't different parts of the same spectrum of humanity?

As for the "It's nature"- well that's certainly an argument homophobes use, yes.

I bet you Magneto likes rainbows

[Seil]

Why you be hating, Barrel?

[Menarker]

The Rainbow Ministry of St. Cecilia’s Church opened its doors to nearly 700 people yesterday for a long-awaited Mass in support of gay and lesbian Catholics, capping a month of controversy over the Boston Archdiocese’s postponement of the service.

A standing-room-only crowd, larger than Easter Sunday’s, packed the pews to hear the Rev. John J. Unni’s characteristically fiery message of love, acceptance, and the forgiveness of sins.

Unni’s message, which encouraged the congregation to welcome outcasts as Jesus did 2,000 years ago, was similar to that of weeks past. The difference yesterday, parishioners said, was Unni’s courage to say those words during a Mass that has drawn so much vitriol as well as passionate support.

Note the part I bolded and underlined. "Forgiveness of Sins" imply that what they are doing is still a sin and that they are still doing something wrong compared to everyone else. This could accidently make it seem like the pride population should be pitied for going astray, which is not the direction that the pride population is going for.

That said, this seems to be a step in the right direction, but choosing the wrong topics can backfire, even when said topics is otherwise benign in nature.

Of course, that depends very much on the actual content of the speech.

[Amake]

So are you saying gays and straights, white and blacks aren't different parts of the same spectrum of humanity? My exact words were "Aren't they different parts of the same spectrum?" So, no, that is the opposite of what I'm saying.

As for the "It's nature"- well that's certainly an argument homophobes use, yes. Yeah I thought it was pretty clever since they like to use the argument that homosexuality is somehow against nature and I symbolically pointed out that rainbows are a part of the natural world. Is it opposite day where you live or something?

[Marc v4.0]

Note the part I bolded and underlined. "Forgiveness of Sins" imply that what they are doing is still a sin and that they are still doing something wrong compared to everyone else. This could accidently make it seem like the pride population should be pitied for going astray, which is not the direction that the pride population is going for.

That said, this seems to be a step in the right direction, but choosing the wrong topics can backfire, even when said topics is otherwise benign in nature.

Of course, that depends very much on the actual content of the speech.

They will likely always view it as a sin regardless. As long as they treat the people with humanity and respect, though, it is a step in the right direction. As you said.

[Yrcrazypa]

Rainbows are what now? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZFKw3BhveI&feature=related)

[Nique]

GUYS WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A RAINBOW IS AN OPTICAL AND METEOROLOGICAL PHENOMENON THAT CAUSES A SPECTRUM OF LIGHT TO APPEAR IN THE SKY WHEN THE SUN SHINES ON DROPLETS OF MOISTURE IN THE EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE



ALSO IT IS BECAUSE GOD TOTALLY PROMISED NOT TO FLOOD THE EARTH ANYMORE

[Kim]

ALSO IT IS BECAUSE GOD TOTALLY PROMISED NOT TO FLOOD THE EARTH ANYMORE

WHICH IS HONESTLY LIKE A GUY STANDING OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE WITH A GUN PROMISING NOT TO SHOOT YOU WITH IT

[Marc v4.0]

WHICH IS HONESTLY LIKE A GUY STANDING OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE WITH A GUN PROMISING NOT TO SHOOT YOU WITH IT

Except the gun is really an allegorical moral story, and you can't actually prove if there is or is not a man outside

[Kim]

Except the gun is really an allegorical moral story, and you can't actually prove if there is or is not a man outside

There's probably a Murakami story about this.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Except the gun is really an allegorical moral story, and you can't actually prove if there is or is not a man outside

And every now and then people come to your door and try to convince you that the man with the gun loves you and wants to save you, but only if you worship him and give money to people he's never endorsed or actually met.

[Marc v4.0]

And every now and then people come to your door and try to convince you that the man with the gun loves you and wants to save you, but only if you worship him and give money to people he's never endorsed or actually met.

I can't tell if we are talking about the church or capitalism

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I can't tell if we are talking about the church or capitalism

Can't it be both?

[Marc v4.0]

No

[Kim]

No

Maybe Capitalism is God's gun that he may or may not be pointing at us if he exists.

[Marc v4.0]

Maybe Capitalism is God's gun that he may or may not be pointing at us if he exists.

theoretically

[Magus]

Note the part I bolded and underlined. "Forgiveness of Sins" imply that what they are doing is still a sin and that they are still doing something wrong compared to everyone else. This could accidently make it seem like the pride population should be pitied for going astray, which is not the direction that the pride population is going for.

That said, this seems to be a step in the right direction, but choosing the wrong topics can backfire, even when said topics is otherwise benign in nature.

Of course, that depends very much on the actual content of the speech.

I'm confused? I thought the purpose of the pride population was to promote civil tolerance of homosexuality and fight civil legislation against it, not to convince people whether it's a sin or not which is entirely up to the individual's beliefs.