Kyanbu The Legend
10-09-2011, 07:42 PM
So while diving through my Deviantart messages, I came across an interest case about artist "Rémy Couture" being arrested in Canada for making realistic super gory art.
Info can be found here.
http://news.deviantart.com/article/162439/
and here
http://innerdepravity.deviantart.com/
Warning may be NSFW to view this page signed into your DA due to his gore art.
It sounded dumb on the surfice but after learning a bit about the case and Mr.Couture himself. It seems the charges are aimed more at the fact that in his short films it looked like they really did kill a teenager. Even though they didn't, someone panic'd, called the police and Mr.Couture was arrested.
He is promised a trial and is getting quite a bit of support from some of the now ticked off artists and fans on DA.
One of the users asked Remy a series of very good question. Remy was gladly answered each of his/her questions.
1-How much money were you charging to view your films ? ( you did charge right ? I mean how else would you have funded them ? )
The website innerdepravity.com was free.INNERDEPRAVITY.COM was a web-based multimedia project I produced and created back in 2005. The content, a series of short movies along with photoshoots, were displayed by thematics. I am also a special FX makeup artist, and my goal was to put in practise the various special FX techniques I acquired throughout the past years.
2-How much money were you planning on charging the couple who booked you and your studio to make photos of themselves for Halloween, er before you discovered they were undercover cops ?
I usually charge 150$ per person, including prosthetic.
3-Did you really resist arrest until one of the cops pulled a gun on you, in the street ?
Sure because they wasn't dress like police and never show me Police ID.
4-Did you refuse to attend two court dates ? No
5-Did you really think trial by jury was a better idea than the alternative offered to you of judicial judgment.
Yes because we talk here about a social case, it's better to have 12 opinons then 1.
6-How much money have you received in donations, and just what exactly are you planning to use it for.
There is some fundraiser right now and we plan to get about 15 000, the trial cost to me about 30 000$ fee( lawers and psychologist )
It's one year lawyer work, so all donate is to pay the fee.
7-How much is your day job paying you ? Under 50 000 $
8-How do you explain the "Artistic" merit/concept behind the films you have made other than the "Ima make up artist" line , and if they were just to show case your Make up Art skills why did you not make a show reel of stills that could be shown commercially with out breaching any laws on obscenity ?
Innerdepravity perpertratres the terrible mindset of a serial killer. A tattooed masked man performs many of his killings in many different settings, and every killing is accompanied with a photographic journal of his deviances. im a make-up artist and producer.Nothing in my wrok was diffrent then what you see on horror film.
To create a good make-up fx, is better to create an universe to make people believe in. no ?? create need artistic view !
9 If you are a film maker ? who is also a make up artist ? who is also a graphic designer, who is also an Artist, and you are also 30years old, ( well around the 30 mark) How could you Not know the Laws regarding your er work ? ( and if you did why'd it take you untill you were 30 years old to start breaking them ? bit of a late development?)
Are you kidding me ??
First of all: Access to my website since 2005 was strictly allowed to a mature audience(18 years old and up), due to the graphic content of my art.
Second, im maybe an ignorant,but as many people here in canada, we never heard about this corruption of moral law. If we apply this law, we WILL BAN ALL HORROR AND PORN MATERIAL, please read and read again the law :
(a) makes, prints, publishes, distributes, circulates, or has in his possession for the purpose of publication, distribution or circulation any obscene written matter, picture, model, phonograph record or other thing whatever; or
(b) makes, prints, publishes, distributes, sells or has in his possession for the purposes of publication, distribution or circulation a crime comic. "Crime comics" are stated to be books that glorify criminal activities and have at least one depiction of such criminal actions of the book's text.
10-Do you Honestly not understand why the Canadian police took your computer ? and why they have to view the over 5000 images on it ?
Because they never investigated about me. You dont know everything about it. Its easy to you to judge, but the whole story will see the light at my tiral.
11-You have said yourself your work is highly disturbing, so are you really surprised that other people agree with you and deeply question your motives ?
Look, there is a movie cast at the end and it was cleary mentionned in the disclaimer that everything was fake in my website. Can i be more cleary ? My motive is the same of all people who like horror, did Tom Savini has deviance to make horror stuff since 40 years ?
12-Can you not understand that Interpol actually do track down and catch real killers, rapists, child murderers and other "Real" obscene criminals, and that your attempts to play" pretend" bad man, must make everyone who has had to deal with your case want to lock you up if only to stop you wasting genuinely valuable time , as well as question deeply your level of intelligence.
To question my level of intelligence need an investigation. They have to investigated where i live, what i do in life,what is my lifestyle, my hobby,my social life..... To question my intelligence is one thing, but to treat me as a criminal after the evidence that im an artist... That is stupid and waste of time and money !
13 Ever heard of Alfred Hitchcock ? its a good starting point at your age to move in to understanding the psychology of fear and how to incorporate it into film, mind you I dunno what His make up skills were ?
First of all, Innerdepravity was a old project, i work on many stuff and innerdepravity was not my priority, most of the picture and film was made in 2005-2006. Now i work in all kind of project, not only gory and disturbing material. I like gore but its only the way where i want to go. I want to explore all kind of way !
Like I said ,Don't go breaking any bail conditions to reply Remy.
I dont break any condition,i can use computer !
This case as got me thinking. About how much Moral Insensitivety can affect art work and projects. On one hand it's good to crack down on some of this stuff but on the other, it's harmful to the artcommunity and can scare some artists from even attempting things like realism and horror or even hentai considering that you can and will be arrested for stuff like this.
I may live in the US but personally it really on a matter of time before the US decides to go down this road. Assuming they havn't already.
What do you guys think?
Info can be found here.
http://news.deviantart.com/article/162439/
and here
http://innerdepravity.deviantart.com/
Warning may be NSFW to view this page signed into your DA due to his gore art.
It sounded dumb on the surfice but after learning a bit about the case and Mr.Couture himself. It seems the charges are aimed more at the fact that in his short films it looked like they really did kill a teenager. Even though they didn't, someone panic'd, called the police and Mr.Couture was arrested.
He is promised a trial and is getting quite a bit of support from some of the now ticked off artists and fans on DA.
One of the users asked Remy a series of very good question. Remy was gladly answered each of his/her questions.
1-How much money were you charging to view your films ? ( you did charge right ? I mean how else would you have funded them ? )
The website innerdepravity.com was free.INNERDEPRAVITY.COM was a web-based multimedia project I produced and created back in 2005. The content, a series of short movies along with photoshoots, were displayed by thematics. I am also a special FX makeup artist, and my goal was to put in practise the various special FX techniques I acquired throughout the past years.
2-How much money were you planning on charging the couple who booked you and your studio to make photos of themselves for Halloween, er before you discovered they were undercover cops ?
I usually charge 150$ per person, including prosthetic.
3-Did you really resist arrest until one of the cops pulled a gun on you, in the street ?
Sure because they wasn't dress like police and never show me Police ID.
4-Did you refuse to attend two court dates ? No
5-Did you really think trial by jury was a better idea than the alternative offered to you of judicial judgment.
Yes because we talk here about a social case, it's better to have 12 opinons then 1.
6-How much money have you received in donations, and just what exactly are you planning to use it for.
There is some fundraiser right now and we plan to get about 15 000, the trial cost to me about 30 000$ fee( lawers and psychologist )
It's one year lawyer work, so all donate is to pay the fee.
7-How much is your day job paying you ? Under 50 000 $
8-How do you explain the "Artistic" merit/concept behind the films you have made other than the "Ima make up artist" line , and if they were just to show case your Make up Art skills why did you not make a show reel of stills that could be shown commercially with out breaching any laws on obscenity ?
Innerdepravity perpertratres the terrible mindset of a serial killer. A tattooed masked man performs many of his killings in many different settings, and every killing is accompanied with a photographic journal of his deviances. im a make-up artist and producer.Nothing in my wrok was diffrent then what you see on horror film.
To create a good make-up fx, is better to create an universe to make people believe in. no ?? create need artistic view !
9 If you are a film maker ? who is also a make up artist ? who is also a graphic designer, who is also an Artist, and you are also 30years old, ( well around the 30 mark) How could you Not know the Laws regarding your er work ? ( and if you did why'd it take you untill you were 30 years old to start breaking them ? bit of a late development?)
Are you kidding me ??
First of all: Access to my website since 2005 was strictly allowed to a mature audience(18 years old and up), due to the graphic content of my art.
Second, im maybe an ignorant,but as many people here in canada, we never heard about this corruption of moral law. If we apply this law, we WILL BAN ALL HORROR AND PORN MATERIAL, please read and read again the law :
(a) makes, prints, publishes, distributes, circulates, or has in his possession for the purpose of publication, distribution or circulation any obscene written matter, picture, model, phonograph record or other thing whatever; or
(b) makes, prints, publishes, distributes, sells or has in his possession for the purposes of publication, distribution or circulation a crime comic. "Crime comics" are stated to be books that glorify criminal activities and have at least one depiction of such criminal actions of the book's text.
10-Do you Honestly not understand why the Canadian police took your computer ? and why they have to view the over 5000 images on it ?
Because they never investigated about me. You dont know everything about it. Its easy to you to judge, but the whole story will see the light at my tiral.
11-You have said yourself your work is highly disturbing, so are you really surprised that other people agree with you and deeply question your motives ?
Look, there is a movie cast at the end and it was cleary mentionned in the disclaimer that everything was fake in my website. Can i be more cleary ? My motive is the same of all people who like horror, did Tom Savini has deviance to make horror stuff since 40 years ?
12-Can you not understand that Interpol actually do track down and catch real killers, rapists, child murderers and other "Real" obscene criminals, and that your attempts to play" pretend" bad man, must make everyone who has had to deal with your case want to lock you up if only to stop you wasting genuinely valuable time , as well as question deeply your level of intelligence.
To question my level of intelligence need an investigation. They have to investigated where i live, what i do in life,what is my lifestyle, my hobby,my social life..... To question my intelligence is one thing, but to treat me as a criminal after the evidence that im an artist... That is stupid and waste of time and money !
13 Ever heard of Alfred Hitchcock ? its a good starting point at your age to move in to understanding the psychology of fear and how to incorporate it into film, mind you I dunno what His make up skills were ?
First of all, Innerdepravity was a old project, i work on many stuff and innerdepravity was not my priority, most of the picture and film was made in 2005-2006. Now i work in all kind of project, not only gory and disturbing material. I like gore but its only the way where i want to go. I want to explore all kind of way !
Like I said ,Don't go breaking any bail conditions to reply Remy.
I dont break any condition,i can use computer !
This case as got me thinking. About how much Moral Insensitivety can affect art work and projects. On one hand it's good to crack down on some of this stuff but on the other, it's harmful to the artcommunity and can scare some artists from even attempting things like realism and horror or even hentai considering that you can and will be arrested for stuff like this.
I may live in the US but personally it really on a matter of time before the US decides to go down this road. Assuming they havn't already.
What do you guys think?