Cooking should be a recognized art form

[Aerozord]

Seriously, hear me out on this. "Art" in many ways is about expression and getting a response from others, usually through visual or audio cues. Now when you cook something you often do the same thing. You can even see genres of food preparation, be it food that looks gross but tastes excellent, or food based on nostalgia, or even on being as foul as possible. Lets not forget pretentious meals that people eat because its fine cuisine but is at best shallow.

In many ways a chef does with food what one might do with a movie, but with smell and taste instead of sight and sound.

[Doc ock rokc]

It already is!
Culinary ARTS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culinary_art)

[pochercoaster]

How is it not recognized as an art already? Culinary ARTs schools disagree with you. The difference is the food is consumed in restaurants instead of displayed in museums.

Sure, your run of the mill chef might not be able to elevate food to the kind of memorable experience that art should impart, but that's why you go to the good restaurants.

Edit: ninja'd

Also:

http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/8910/artcr.jpg

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Its more like performance art than anything. It rather different from more convential arts because the food doesn't last, it's also limited to one person as a full experience.
So whatever you make is fleeting and limited and the culture/fame is limited to the chefs. As we do now

[Azisien]

No man you don't get it, man. It may be considered art at art schools but it's not considered ART art, you know, man?

Like this grilled cheese sandwich I'm eating? God damn Picasso.

[Aerozord]

Its more like performance art than anything. It rather different from more convential arts because the food doesn't last, it's also limited to one person as a full experience.
So whatever you make is fleeting and limited and the culture/fame is limited to the chefs. As we do now
not really a meal can be enjoyed by many people, and for a long time plays were just as finite in an experience until we developed techonology to record it.

So obviously all we need to do is use highly advanced nanotechnology to exactly duplicate food on a molecular level. Its not rocket science

[Doc ock rokc]

We might as well replace the "Rocket Science/Brain surgery/Rocket Surgery" analogy WITH nanotechnology. Because at best they are dealing with a simple chemical reaction and at worst they are dealing with things that would blow people's MINDS.

[Loyal]

Like this grilled cheese sandwich I'm eating? God damn Picasso.

Horribly misshapen yet glorious to behold.

[Amake]

It may just be because I like the things I make to be lasting, but it makes me sad to think of cooking as a fine art. It might just be the fleeting beauty of it that makes me sad. But people cook thousands of millions of meals every day. If a few Grapes of Wrath or Breakfasts at Tiffany's* get eaten every now and then, what difference does it make to anyone who's not there? To anyone a hundred years later? Doesn't it break your heart to think about all these treasures that are lost forever?

[CelesJessa]

Its more like performance art than anything. It rather different from more convential arts because the food doesn't last, it's also limited to one person as a full experience.
So whatever you make is fleeting and limited and the culture/fame is limited to the chefs. As we do now

I was going to go off onto a tangent about sculptors whose work can disappear in a matter of hours (if not while he's creating it), namely Andy Goldsworthy (http://www.morning-earth.org/artistnaturalists/an_goldsworthy.html) came to mind, but then I got distracted looking at his work (http://mag.gallery.siteseer.ca/main.php?g2_view=xmlout.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1837) and remembering that most fine artists are crazy.

Do you really want food to be lumped in with a bunch of crazy people?

[Terex4]

Do you really want food to be lumped in with a bunch of crazy people?
Yes, yes I do. (http://www.foodnetwork.com/iron-chef-america/index.html)

[Azisien]

Do you really want food to be lumped in with a bunch of crazy people?

Have you ever worked in a kitchen? It was hard to find sane cooks at every place I've worked.

[Aerozord]

It may just be because I like the things I make to be lasting, but it makes me sad to think of cooking as a fine art. It might just be the fleeting beauty of it that makes me sad. But people cook thousands of millions of meals every day. If a few Grapes of Wrath or Breakfasts at Tiffany's* get eaten every now and then, what difference does it make to anyone who's not there? To anyone a hundred years later? Doesn't it break your heart to think about all these treasures that are lost forever?



Its ability to last through time is not a requirement of art. Alot of art is only able to endure thanks to technology and an effort of people to maintain it. Again plays were similar, if you wanted to appreciate an actors performance you had to experience it first hand and upon their death it was lost forever.

Or brilliant musicians. Think about it you have never actually heard Mozart play, only others replicating his works. In the same way another cook would recreate a meal from a recipe

[Magus]

That Cake Boss dude makes those cakes that look like things. Those are pretty artistic.

[CelesJessa]

Have you ever worked in a kitchen? It was hard to find sane cooks at every place I've worked.

My good sir, I don't think you understand the sheer insanity of some fine artists.

At least kitchens have health codes.

[Azisien]

My good sir, I don't think you understand the sheer insanity of some fine artists.

At least kitchens have health codes.

Ahahaahahaha yeah you haven't.

[Krylo]

Ahahaahahaha yeah you haven't.

So... in the kitchens you've worked in, they cook with menstrual blood, then, because they see it as making a comment on their feminism? Or purposefully make the worst thing they can imagine just to make people uncomfortable? Or like, jack off all over everything as a comment on sexuality and its taboo in society?

'cause, like, that's fine art.

Those are all things that exist.

[Krylo]

Man a fine artist chef would probably like, cook something entirely with his dick while crucified to a giant blow up big mac. Also the food would be made out of aborted fetuses.

Edit: It'd be about the pain of consumerism and the detachment of modern society from the well-being of its people.

[Aerozord]

My good sir, I don't think you understand the sheer insanity of some fine artists.

At least kitchens have health codes.

this was one downside, if I recall art is automatically given first amendment rights. Which wouldn't help food, because I cannot think of any legitimate thing you cant already do. But you know some one will try to use it as a way to circumvent FDA regulations and do some crazy stupid stuff to food.
Man a fine artist chef would probably like, cook something entirely with his dick while crucified to a giant blow up big mac. Also the food would be made out of aborted fetuses.dont you love when someone ninjas in an example on exactly what you are talking about

[Azisien]

I like that dude that collects dust in museums and sells them in little packages for like $10000. What the hell am I doing?

[pochercoaster]

So... in the kitchens you've worked in, they cook with menstrual blood, then, because they see it as making a comment on their feminism? Or purposefully make the worst thing they can imagine just to make people uncomfortable? Or like, jack off all over everything as a comment on sexuality and its taboo in society?

'cause, like, that's fine art.

Those are all things that exist.

That's not fine art. That's bullshit that they peddle as art to make a shit ton of money and laugh at the idiots who buy into it.

I hate Damien Hirst so much.

A better example of a legitimate artist who was also insane is Salvador Dali. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Salvador_Dal%C3%AD) That's not even a comprehensive list of the weird things he did (I read somewhere that he liked dipping live lobsters in gold and then masturbating with them and then... yeah, just wtf.)

[Marc v4.0]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/morimoto%2520toro.jpg

This is a sushi dish that Masaharu Morimoto, of Iron Chef fame, serves in his resturant. The wood plates were made specifically for it.


Looks like Art to me~