When Are You Allowed to Tell Someone They Suck? [Archive]

Magus

03-06-2012, 11:20 PM

RESIST...URGE...TO...SNARK...

Okay, I'll be serious about this.

Listen, if it's just a hobby and they suck at it, what's the purpose of telling them they suck if they genuinely love it? Being good at this hobby isn't even apparently a prerequisite to deriving joy from it so who cares? All you'll do is harsh their mellow, brah.

Unless their hobby is like, cooking, and they are forcing you to eat horribly burned crap, or something. Because in that case criticism could help them get better.

Like constructive criticism is great and all, if criticizing helps. If there's no real purpose to telling them they suck, though, then you are just being mean.

If you want to get into more specifics on what exactly the situation is, though, then that may change things.

The Sevenshot Kid

03-06-2012, 11:28 PM

If you want to get into more specifics on what exactly the situation is, though, then that may change things.

Specifics? Alright, specifics. Let's say this person really likes to write. They absolutely love it and spend tons of time working on it but they make the simplest grammatical and spelling errors while delivering a stilted plot with uninteresting characters. They keep doing this because they think they'll be able to publish a successful novel.

I like to write and a lot of my friends like to write. I don't consider myself to be that good of a writer by any stretch of the imagination but I know people that are worse. And they refuse to edit or address constructive criticism. I honestly would like to help these friends of mine but what can you really do when they won't let you?

I'm not sure I'm allowed to say my answer.

Is it "When Sevenshot starts a new thread"?

3stan

03-06-2012, 11:34 PM

If they ask you, "Hey, would you mind going through and critiquing this for me?" and then you ask "Do you want me to be brutally honest in my critique?" and they say "Yes." then you can completely get away with telling someone that they suck, as long as you explain in simple, inoffensive language why it sucks, and how they could improve it.

I have never lost a friend using this method.

Bells

03-06-2012, 11:46 PM

I have never lost a friend using this method.

But they all secretly resent you for it...

ahem...

Anyway, it's a matter of POV. If they are in the hobby cause they like it, no use in pointing out bad flaws. If they are in it with a goal to be good at it, honest critique might be good (when clearly requested).

Now, if YOU have the same hobby as your friend and you noticed problems in his work, then, just going "oh good work man, that's pretty nice" is kinda dickish too .

My method? Look for 2 positives to say for every negative. Even if they are not equivalent... it softens the blow.

Red Mage Black

03-06-2012, 11:49 PM

Specifics? Alright, specifics. Let's say this person really likes to write. They absolutely love it and spend tons of time working on it but they make the simplest grammatical and spelling errors while delivering a stilted plot with uninteresting characters. They keep doing this because they think they'll be able to publish a successful novel.

I like to write and a lot of my friends like to write. I don't consider myself to be that good of a writer by any stretch of the imagination but I know people that are worse. And they refuse to edit or address constructive criticism. I honestly would like to help these friends of mine but what can you really do when they won't let you?

Is it "When Sevenshot starts a new thread"?
I'm not one to judge and I did highlight the section I mean to point out, but that's pretty much what most writing amounts to nowadays. Like the record business, the publishing industry also realizes that the people they publish don't exactly need to have any certain talent. Geez, look at Stephanie Meyer*.

*I realize this is beating a dead horse, but I still think the Twilight novels sound like she was writing her own girlish fantasy. Placing Bella in the position she was suppose to be in. It's vampire/werewolf fanfiction in novel form.

3stan

03-07-2012, 12:26 AM

But they all secretly resent you for it...
Naw, I can see that little something die in their eyes when I tell them I didn't like something they wrote.

My method? Look for 2 positives to say for every negative. Even if they are not equivalent... it softens the blow.
That also tends to work for me. Especially if you start with the positive and work into the negative.

Aldurin

03-07-2012, 12:56 AM

You are allowed to tell someone they suck if you're not getting enough pleasure from their blowjob.

All other situations are sub-optimal.

Bells

03-07-2012, 01:00 AM

You are allowed to tell someone they suck if you're not getting enough pleasure from their blowjob.

All other situations are sub-optimal.

Although, in that situation, it just might be stating the obvious...

"Gosh... you SUCK!"
"Ig Knofwg!"

CelesJessa

03-07-2012, 02:23 AM

I have mixed feelings on this.

On one hand, sometimes I look back at my art from even my senior year in high school, and some of it/a lot of it was REALLY BAD. Let's not even speak of back in 7th grade when I first started to really get into art. Even now, I feel pretty much like my stuff sucks in comparison to a lot of other people. Heck, today I ripped a drawing from earlier this year out of my sketchbook and threw it away because I couldn't stand to look at it anymore. I don't do that often, because I think it's important to learn from your screw ups.

Anyway, I'm glad that even when I suck, I've had people who have been both encouraging and willing to help me improve(not just sugarcoat everything). Art is discouraging enough without other people basically telling you to stop because you suck. Even if they DO suck, it's possible to improve. In animation, in the space of a few weeks alone, I saw one of my classmates models improve dramatically because something just clicked finally.

At the same time, I think it's important to have a realistic idea of your skill level. You would hopefully not let your tone-deaf friend go out for open mic night without explaining that maybe he'd like some voice lessons.

That being said, I don't have a lot of patience for people who can't deal with constructive criticism. In which case, they probably wouldn't listen to you if you told them they suck anyway. They're probably never going to finish their novel anyway so just let them have their fun. Sometimes, as terrible as it sounds, it's not worth it to bother.

stefan

03-07-2012, 02:32 AM

everyone saying "be nice or they'll hate you" needs to get their shit slapped.

a hugbox never made anyone get better, rip them apart and they'll either thank you for it or they weren't ever really all that important a friend to begin with.

Kim

03-07-2012, 02:37 AM

a hugbox never made anyone get better, rip them apart

I think it's rather silly to portray it as only being two choices. There are lots of different kinds of people and the ideal ways of handling a situation vary depending.

If they're absolutely terrible and not getting better and you know they don't take constructive criticism well, it's actually probably best to avoid the subject. Why lose a friend you presumably like for unrelated reasons over the fact that they draw poorly or can't write well.

If they're terrible and take constructive criticism well, there's no need to rip into them and be a dick about it, because there's perfectly decent ways of criticizing something without being an asshole about it.

These seem the two main possibilities relevant the thread, in my opinion.

Fifthfiend

03-07-2012, 02:44 AM

When Sevenshot starts a ne-

Is it "When Sevenshot starts a new thread"?

ffffffffffffffff

see, this is the shit I am talking about.

CelesJessa

03-07-2012, 02:51 AM

On the topic of it not being worth it, I'm in a class right now that I get the pleasure of critiquing terrible fine art, and one night we critiqued a series of bad meat-flower-vagina paintings and you can critique them all day but in the end, you realize you've wasted a half an hour of your life talking about meat-flower-vaginas. No amount of polishing will make it not terrible.

Kyanbu The Legend

03-07-2012, 03:15 AM

There comes a time when telling them they suck is okay to an extent.

So long as they are strong, they handle it just fine. Just don't ripped them a new fuck hole and be sure to explain why they suck. They may hate you at first but in time they'll thank you.

BitVyper

03-07-2012, 03:30 AM

Is it alright to tell someone that they should probably try another less offensive hobby?

No. Not in this case. You've pretty much indicated that the sole reason you want to do this is because they're bad at writing, and it sounds like you basically just want to tell them they're shit and should quit. It'd be one thing if they were pursuing it to the extent that they hurt themselves while aggressively rejecting all criticism and refusing to evolve. However, even then I'm not sure I think you really have the right to decide they should just quit. It's your perogative to be personally frustrated and angry with them, and to to tell them about it, but that's less about telling them they're shit and more about telling them to stop being an ass. As far as you've indicated though, this isn't even that kind of situation.

If you want to tell them they're shit and should stop being shit, then by all means, provided you've got some constructive criticism. If you think their expectations of writing and of their writing ability are wrong, then that's something too. Just telling them to quit though, is shallow advice, and just being a dick.

It takes a long time to be even decent at anything as complex as writing. Look at all the crap that actually gets published; probably like one percent of it is something you could call "good" writing. If that.

a hugbox never made anyone get better

Liz has already brought up the false dichotomy here, but I wanted to say that sometimes, even a lot of times, this is exactly what people need. It just depends on the situation. A lot of the time all you can do is take a guess at what will work and say what you believe.

Hell, I've known mindlessly agreeing with people just because they're your friend to be the thing that got them to take a second look at what they were saying and think about it more clearly.

rip them apart and they'll either thank you for it or they weren't ever really all that important a friend to begin with.

This just seems like glorifying TOUGH LOVE to me. I also hate the idea that you get to blame the other person for not magically seeing the light when you tell them they're shit. It's like some weird kind of victim blaming.

Yes writers and artists and etc need to be told the truth if they're going to improve, but you also need to accept that they're not just going to automatically change because you know exactly what they need. And really, a friend probably shouldn't make their friendship contingent on getting thanked for their brilliant criticism. It's entirely likely that someone will come around to your way of thinking without ever giving you the credit, and really you have no way of really knowing if it was YOU that was instrumental in changing them anyway - that's ego talking. Fortunately, you didn't help them so that they would thank you - you did it because you were their friend, so I'm sure that's not a problem.

Kyanbu The Legend

03-07-2012, 03:58 AM

No. Not in this case. You've pretty much indicated that the sole reason you want to do this is because they're bad at writing, and it sounds like you basically just want to tell them they're shit and should quit. It'd be one thing if they were pursuing it to the extent that they hurt themselves while aggressively rejecting all criticism and refusing to evolve. However, even then I'm not sure I think you really have the right to decide they should just quit. It's your perogative to be personally frustrated and angry with them, and to to tell them about it, but that's less about telling them they're shit and more about telling them to stop being an ass. As far as you've indicated though, this isn't even that kind of situation.

If you want to tell them they're shit and should stop being shit, then by all means, provided you've got some constructive criticism. If you think their expectations of writing and of their writing ability are wrong, then that's something too. Just telling them to quit though, is shallow advice, and just being a dick.

It takes a long time to be even decent at anything as complex as writing. Look at all the crap that actually gets published; probably like one percent of it is something you could call "good" writing. If that.

Liz has already brought up the false dichotomy here, but I wanted to say that sometimes, even a lot of times, this is exactly what people need. It just depends on the situation. A lot of the time all you can do is take a guess at what will work and say what you believe.

Hell, I've known mindlessly agreeing with people just because they're your friend to be the thing that got them to take a second look at what they were saying and think about it more clearly.

This just seems like glorifying TOUGH LOVE to me. I also hate the idea that you get to blame the other person for not magically seeing the light when you tell them they're shit. It's like some weird kind of victim blaming.

Yes writers and artists and etc need to be told the truth if they're going to improve, but you also need to accept that they're not just going to automatically change because you know exactly what they need. And really, a friend probably shouldn't make their friendship contingent on getting thanked for their brilliant criticism. It's entirely likely that someone will come around to your way of thinking without ever giving you the credit, and really you have no way of really knowing if it was YOU that was instrumental in changing them anyway - that's ego talking. Fortunately, you didn't help them so that they would thank you - you did it because you were their friend, so I'm sure that's not a problem.

Hey it helped me realize that Mischief Knights and everything about it was a steaming piece of shit and that my only fan was just some pervert who may have just been in it for the tits anyway. Hugbox works bro, not all the time but it can get some results with the right timing. :cool:

And now to freak the fuck out over spending 5 years of my life plotting up over 200+ chapters of something that ultimately was a peice of shit with bad drawings all the way.

The sooner you tell them they are bad at writing the sooner you can pervent them from becoming me. A homeless loser who ruined his life on a false belief that he was talented at writing/art.

Thadius

03-07-2012, 04:16 AM

So long as you don't go all Fifth about it and tell the person you're critiquing* that their work sucks more balls than a ball-suck-o-matic** and offer some intelligent, reasoned arguments about the weak points in their work and how they could improve it, then 9 times out of 10, they should listen and calmly and rationally accept your advice.***

Of course, when you run into the 1 that doesn't, feel free to go all Fifth about it. It's better in the long run that you shock them out of their comfort zone and make them understand, through any means possible, that their work is not as good as they think it is.

Of course, if you can't offer any tips on how they could improve, leave it to someone else. Or maybe reading is just not your thing. I could suggest this wonderful site where they have moving pictures that might be more your speed. I believe it is called 'the youtubes'.

*That is what w- they call it, instead of criticism.
**No, I don't know where you'd get one, stop asking.
***Dear GODS what a run-on sentence!

Professor Smarmiarty

03-07-2012, 04:54 AM

Anything goes after a priate orgy.

Kyanbu The Legend

03-07-2012, 05:01 AM

Anything goes after a priate orgy.

I'd like to change my previous answer to this. /\

Osterbaum

03-07-2012, 06:29 AM

With an orgy you are basically just multiplying the number of people you wont be able to look in the eyes afterward. Especially if you tell them all they suck.

synkr0nized

03-07-2012, 06:56 AM

In Academia it is par for the course to tell your colleagues when they are performing inferior research or their writing is not up to snuff. However, structuring critiques instead of just tearing someone down is miles better, moreso if you can offer ideas or suggestions on how to improve.

Osterbaum

03-07-2012, 07:03 AM

Basically what it all boils down to is this: Don�t be and asshole about it.

Professor Smarmiarty

03-07-2012, 07:33 AM

CABAL49

03-07-2012, 08:49 AM

Kyanbu The Legend

03-07-2012, 09:14 AM

Considering how terrible most of the papers I read are, its not working.

There's not much effort going into quality beyond "good enough to pass" so there's that too.

Ryong

03-07-2012, 09:15 AM

Specifics? Alright, specifics. Let's say this person really likes to write. They absolutely love it and spend tons of time working on it but they make the simplest grammatical and spelling errors while delivering a stilted plot with uninteresting characters. They keep doing this because they think they'll be able to publish a successful novel.

I like to write and a lot of my friends like to write. I don't consider myself to be that good of a writer by any stretch of the imagination but I know people that are worse. And they refuse to edit or address constructive criticism. I honestly would like to help these friends of mine but what can you really do when they won't let you?

Man, it's a bit too obvious who're you talking about.

I'm going to say writing something takes a lot of maturity and if the person struggles with that already, criticism won't be taken too well. I draw sprites, and I think I've improved since I started, but good criticism is hard to come by - no one actually comments on anything but like, oh it's tiny, which, yeah, it is - but on writing it ain't.

If you've already done plenty and they've proved to be pretty much impervious to criticism, I'm not sure it can be helped. Although, sometimes, improving can be hard and talent varies. Research always helps, though.

Premmy

03-07-2012, 10:29 AM

Flarecobra

03-07-2012, 10:57 AM

I'm of the mind that if it truely sucks in your opinion, it's ok to do so... tactfully.

If he doesn't get it, then bluntness comes in. That one former poster who wrote the horrid megaman.exe fanfics is one such example.

Bells

03-07-2012, 11:53 AM

Anything goes after a priate orgy.

Pirate Orgy?

Token

03-07-2012, 01:34 PM

Is there any other kind?

Aldurin

03-07-2012, 01:38 PM

Is there any other kind?

You don't wanna know.

Fifthfiend

03-07-2012, 01:40 PM

But really the answer is "encourage your friend to take a creative writing class, then let them tell him that he sucks."

EDIT: get him to join NPF.

BitVyper

03-07-2012, 01:45 PM

But really the answer is "encourage your friend to take a creative writing class, then let them tell him that he sucks."

EDIT: get him to join NPF.

I wouldn't call what we do "writing."

Osterbaum

03-07-2012, 01:59 PM

We definitely tell people they suck though.

Fifthfiend

03-07-2012, 02:02 PM

Real answer: show him this thread.

stefan

03-07-2012, 02:25 PM

I think it's rather silly to portray it as only being two choices. There are lots of different kinds of people and the ideal ways of handling a situation vary depending.

Its not a one-or-other, but being nice to the point of ignoring error is a bad thing. a very very bad thing. Perhaps I worded that post a bit more strongly than intended because I was tired as shit, but the point I was making is that its better to Hurt Someone's Feelings while telling them what they did wrong than to Make Them Feel Like A Champ while glossing over their mistakes.

the simple fact is, nobody is able to improve without knowing what they're doing wrong. By refusing to tell them what they are doing wrong even though you know exactly what to tell them, you are directly harming them.

If they're terrible and take constructive criticism well, there's no need to rip into them and be a dick about it, because there's perfectly decent ways of criticizing something without being an asshole about it.

the main problem of course being that a lot of people are liable to take neutral constructive criticism as hostility. I've been studying photography and graphic design for the last three years, I've seen people lose their shit time and time again because someone pointed out an error. The fact

Also, I've seen professors repeatedly use the exact phrase "this is absolutely terrible from start to finish, scrap it all and start over." Its common. Shit, I've been on the receiving end a few times, and my work improved as a result.

so, in short, your definition of "being a dick" is different than the way other people define it.

but I wanted to say that sometimes, even a lot of times, this is exactly what people need.

this is the funniest shit I've read all day.

Doc ock rokc

03-07-2012, 02:28 PM

In the American South you can get away with anything as long as you end it with bless your heart. As in, "You are the worst person I have ever met. I would rather be castrated by ants than spend another two minutes talking to you. Bless your heart."

Makes everything ok.
Uh... that not (completely) true. In most of the south "Bless your heart" is the passive aggressive way of saying fuck you/you dumbass. its kinda like "MmHmm thats nice" which is Passive aggressive "shut the fuck up/I dont give a flying fuck"

I'm of the mind that if it truely sucks in your opinion, it's ok to do so... tactfully.

If he doesn't get it, then bluntness comes in. That one former poster who wrote the horrid megaman.exe fanfics is one such example.
This is A good way. Another Idea is to swap "writings" and both of you do the brutal honesty thing.

Magus

03-07-2012, 02:44 PM

Yeah, if you're going to do a workshop with your friends, you have to be willing to put your stuff out there too and let them criticize it. Even if you secretly think it is better, it might objectively suck just as much.

But yeah a workshop with an actual teacher would get this across to them and you won't have to do so. I don't even take criticism well myself but over time have found it's a good thing. For instance, in college I wrote a play where a character said that another character had stolen their hoe. Being college, some idiot thought that I meant they had stolen the other characters whore. Now, this was idiotic in my opinion to think that was what I meant in the context I had written it, BUT. I realize now it was still a good idea to change the object stolen because I accepted the truth that idiots will be reading what I write, and since it didn't affect the story one iota to alter it, I did so. But the same is also true of characters or so on--I've had characters pointed out to me as being superfluous or whatever. I loved the characters but in the end I had to accept that yes, indeed, they were superfluous. Or poorly written or described or whatever you have. So a workshop class is a good idea, and if you all go to it then you can improve your writing, too.

I mean, as it is you are putting yourself into the position of just supposedly objectively knowing that they suck (and I am sure I would agree), when no matter how good you are at judging these things it will ultimately be seen as subjective, when a better way is to get the cross-spectrum opinion of 20 people to agree that they suck, as it is probably closer to objective truth.

Premmy

03-07-2012, 02:45 PM

Uh... that not (completely) true. In most of the south "Bless your heart" is the passive aggressive way of saying fuck you/you dumbass. its kinda like "MmHmm thats nice" which is Passive aggressive "shut the fuck up/I dont give a flying fuck"

This is A good way. Another Idea is to swap "writings" and both of you do the brutal honesty thing.

This is a bit closer, But I tend to see it more as an old person "I don't know what that is/means but that's nice" which, of course is often interpreted as you've put it because it pretty much screams "If you can't say something nice, bullshit your way through the conversation" and most people are aware of it to the point that it's almost a dead-horse trope.

Magus

03-07-2012, 02:55 PM

There's also the "with all due respect" clause which allows you to say anything you want as long as you preface it with "With all due respect", unless you are talking to someone with an ounce of sense who points out the absurdity of this idea (pretty much anyone you would bother prefacing the statement at all with in the first place).

I mean Will Ferrell had this to it's logical extreme in whatever movie it was ("With all due respect, sir, you are a cumguzzling shitbucket." "WHAT?!" "I said it with all due respect." "THAT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT!"), but it does happen in real life where people will say "With all due respect" and then not actually deliver on the "due respect" part of that statement in the least.

Ryong

03-07-2012, 02:57 PM

Guys, it's already happened.

Token

03-07-2012, 03:03 PM

Well there goes the subtlety.

Fifthfiend

03-07-2012, 03:11 PM

Hahaha, totally didn't realize this thread was about Kyanbu.

Real answer: show him this thread.

WELP

Premmy

03-07-2012, 03:13 PM

I feel like this has been done several times before

The Sevenshot Kid

03-07-2012, 03:56 PM

Also, I've seen professors repeatedly use the exact phrase "this is absolutely terrible from start to finish, scrap it all and start over." Its common. Shit, I've been on the receiving end a few times, and my work improved as a result.

This.

I was shopping around the first draft of a play I wrote to some friends that I knew liked to read and write a lot. I got a couple of people saying "I like it" but my girlfriend at the time absolutely beat my dick into the dirt over it. She pointed out everything that didn't work and made some suggestions on how to improve it. In the end, I had a much better product that I'm proud of and is receiving much better reviews from the people I've sent it to.

Same thing goes with my current attempts at screenwriting. I'm still in high school but one of my friends is currently majoring in film in college. He's been teaching me everything he knows about screenwriting but he's not afraid to tell me when I'm fucking up at it. He's flat-out told me "this sucks" at points and I ended up writing something better so I could say "Fuck yeah, how ya like me now?!".

EDIT:

Hahaha, totally didn't realize this thread was about Kyanbu.

I actually have this problem with a friend but I guess this works too.

Fifthfiend

03-07-2012, 04:57 PM

I actually have this problem with a friend but I guess this works too.

...You mean the chatroom hivemind has led me astray?!

Kim

03-07-2012, 05:08 PM

He's lying! I know for a fact that Sevenshot doesn't have friends!

Token

03-07-2012, 05:32 PM

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0jdhjhDCI1qfbum9o1_500.jpg
My bad.

MSperoni

03-07-2012, 05:36 PM

We definitely tell people they suck though.

I get told I suck here every so often. Usually in the form of "Why is 8-bit gone you and Brian are stupid!" "The Dreadful is shitty where is HIKYM/Warbot you and Brian are stupid!" etc.

EDIT: You just gotta develop thick skin.... *sniffles*

Osterbaum

03-07-2012, 05:45 PM

haha, those guys are pretty hilarious

Ryong

03-07-2012, 05:48 PM

HIKYM

;_;

Kyanbu The Legend

03-07-2012, 06:17 PM

MSperoni

03-07-2012, 06:49 PM

;_;

Well, hopefully you aren't into The Dreadful because you don't find it interesting for genre reasons or whatever, not because it sucks. I think there's a difference.

Example: I have no interest in the Mass Effect series. I tried playing the first one and couldn't get into it (I played it on PC). That doesn't mean the games suck though. They just don't spark any interest for me. (not that The Dreadful is on a quality scale of the Mass Effect series or anything, that was just the example I came up with off the top of my head).

However, if The Dreadful IS sucky, I'd appreciate some feedback in the comic's thread and hopefully I can improve it. I think the comic is getting better all the time. I definitely feel like I am improving writing-wise.

EDIT: I need to stop mentioning stuff about my comic in other threads (it just happened to fit into what Osterbaum said). Anyway, I'll try to respond to the actual topic: I think when criticizing someone's work you do have to be careful that your problems with it aren't simply a matter of taste. I remember back when I was learning to draw in an anime style friends of mine would critique the way I drew, yet weren't anime fans. I figured they were just trying (in an unconscious way) to "lead" my drawing toward a more Western style (which they preferred). This was kind of a problem considering that wasn't how I wanted to draw at the time...Writing is the same way. Any good critic ought to be able to tell what is a problem with technique and what is simply a quality of genre/style.

CABAL49

03-07-2012, 07:08 PM

I get told I suck here every so often. Usually in the form of "Why is 8-bit gone you and Brian are stupid!" "The Dreadful is shitty where is HIKYM/Warbot you and Brian are stupid!" etc.

EDIT: You just gotta develop thick skin.... *sniffles*

I miss HIKYM because I liked it. I also like The Dreadful. Which brings me back to a problem we had earlier. How do you keep escaping from being chained to your desk. BACK TO WORK!

MSperoni

03-07-2012, 07:20 PM

How do you keep escaping from being chained to your desk. BACK TO WORK!

I was taking a brief break to check out what was happening online! I was also looking for a new Let's Play to watch...

Kyanbu The Legend

03-07-2012, 07:23 PM

I may have ... had... something... to do with matt's recent escape.

Ryong

03-07-2012, 07:27 PM

stuff

Nah, I'm just not a big fan of wild west stuff in general.

Krylo

03-07-2012, 07:56 PM

Nah, I'm just not a big fan of wild west stuff in general.

Especially SUCKY Wild West stuff, amirite?

Kyanbu The Legend

03-07-2012, 08:01 PM

You right bro, you right.

Ryong

03-07-2012, 08:36 PM

Especially SUCKY Wild West stuff, amirite?

Man the only wild west things I liked were Red Dead Redemption and...

Wild Wild West, the movie.

I am clearly one with good taste.

MSperoni

03-07-2012, 08:46 PM

Well, the comic is going to develop into a genre hybrid here so let me know what you think a few months from now.

(it would've developed that way already but I got off to a slow start. I also can't get any writing momentum because I keep getting interrupted by other projects. However, I have worked out ways to get around those problems now, so I expect there to be a lot less "dead time" in the comic. I've also gotten a lot faster at drawing so that will help.)

The Sevenshot Kid

03-07-2012, 08:46 PM

He's lying! I know for a fact that Sevenshot doesn't have friends!

Liz, I trusted you!

A Zarkin' Frood

03-08-2012, 05:58 AM

Well, you should only trust friends.

Ecks

03-08-2012, 08:09 AM

Well, you should only trust dongs.

FTFY

Magus

03-08-2012, 10:05 PM

This.

I was shopping around the first draft of a play I wrote to some friends that I knew liked to read and write a lot. I got a couple of people saying "I like it" but my girlfriend at the time absolutely beat my dick into the dirt over it. She pointed out everything that didn't work and made some suggestions on how to improve it. In the end, I had a much better product that I'm proud of and is receiving much better reviews from the people I've sent it to.

Same thing goes with my current attempts at screenwriting. I'm still in high school but one of my friends is currently majoring in film in college. He's been teaching me everything he knows about screenwriting but he's not afraid to tell me when I'm fucking up at it. He's flat-out told me "this sucks" at points and I ended up writing something better so I could say "Fuck yeah, how ya like me now?!".

EDIT:

I actually have this problem with a friend but I guess this works too.

...Sevenshot, is your "friend"...you? Are you afraid to tell yourself that you suck and should quit writing? Does it hurt?

It's not your fault, Sevenshot. It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.