"Girls Aren't Nerds!" or "Girls On The Internet Aren't Real - They're Aged Truckers"

[Seil]

So here's the trucker penis comment explained:

Whenever a "girl" asks random internet stranger for their "member sizes", I can personally guarentee you that "she" is actually a 45 year old bi-curious male trucker with a little too much free time on his hands.

Also, my older brother linked an Escapist video on FB, which tried to talk about the idea of sexism in nerd culture. The video mentioned a "fighting game coach" named Aris Bakhtanians (http://kotaku.com/5889066/competitive-gamers-inflammatory-comments-spark-sexual-harassment-debate). (Linked to an article about the incident.) He also got in a slam at Starcraft.

Anyway, here's the video that was linked to me. (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/5436-Not-Okay)

Anyway, I was intrigued, 'cause I only really ever hang out here while I'm online. (Or any number of sites that want a credit card number, but that's a topic for another day.) There really isn't any sexism on NPF, nor in my household, or workplace. I know that sexism is still a thing, and it's still around, but it's become a societally charged issue - you're likely to be crucified by your HR or PR department if you let loose with the misogyny or misandry.

I have to admit that I looked up the word misandry.

But with the onset of some political candidates (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV35ER-nVFU) and some businessmen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCEgTzmNNQc) walking a thin line, I thought it would be interesting to talk about not only sexism in the "Nerd Culture" as much as sexism in general and how North America is going to view the issue in the next five years.

Also feel free to talk about other countries and their anti-women laws. (http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/136982/the-feminist-debate-over-frances-burqa-ban/)

[Solid Snake]

hahaha I love how the moment I say I'm leaving some age-old quote I made at some point in time (I don't even remember when) is dug up to suggest I'm misogynistic or something

I'm tempted to imagine that Seil just kept this quote for all posterity, holding onto it in the hopes that I'd vanish and then he could totally slander my reputation

...Oh God what the fuck am I even doing here
Why the fuck do my paranoid conspiracy theories even matter
MODS quick, temp-ban me or something

[Terex4]

hahaha I love how the moment I say I'm leaving some age-old quote I made at some point in time (I don't even remember when) is dug up to suggest I'm misogynistic or something

I'm tempted to imagine that Seil just kept this quote for all posterity, holding onto it in the hopes that I'd vanish and then he could totally slander my reputation

...Oh God what the fuck am I even doing here
Why the fuck do my paranoid conspiracy theories even matter
MODS quick, temp-ban me or something
Isn't it libel on an internet forum?

[pochercoaster]

I was actually surprised by the quality of the commentary in that video. Thank you for that link.

NPF is one of my favourite online hangouts partly because there is very little sexism around here and when it does appear it usually gets smacked down.

It's important that there is continued dialogue on sexism and feminism because it's often dismissed now. Women have the right to vote and are considered persons and can work etc. so often people use this as evidence that sexism has been eradicated when it so very clearly hasn't.

The burqa thing had its own separate thread and it still enrages me that people think punishing women for what they wear- whether they're covered from head to to or barely covered at all- is how you abolish systemic sexism. Like, what the fuck. It really speaks to a lack of understanding about the issue. Mind you, I'm talking about the burqa in France specifically, not say, Afghanistan where you don't have a choice.

That's the gist of it: choice. Freedom to express oneself. To say that the women who wear niqabs or burqas in public in western countries because they are forced to is jumping to conclusions. There was an article in the Toronto star where a woman wrote that she actually enjoys wearing her burka because it meant she could be lazy and wear her winnie the pooh pajamas underneath it. I'm not making this up. Isn't it just a little presumptuous and hypocritical of the government to attack these women on the basis they're being oppressed, when it is the government taking away one of their freedoms?

It just stems from leftover imperialist attitudes.

Also I don't get the point of quoting snake. Is that comment supposed to be seen as misogynistic? Because it's true 95% of the time, unless girls asking for the size of your dick is the hip new thing and I'm behind the times.

Edit: Here is an article about a single muslim woman who chose to start wearing a burqa because she wanted to. (http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-04/world/france.burqa.ban_1_veil-burqa-muslim-woman?_s=PM:WORLD)


[...] Nobody ever forced me to wear the full veil and I have been wearing it for around 10 years now.

In fact, very few of my friends actually wear one. There are, of course, situations in which some men force their wives or daughters to wear the burqa but, believe me, these cases are a very, very small minority [...]

For those of us who are believers, we just want to do God's will and live by the sacred text, so what any man says has nothing to do with that.

I am testament to that as I don't have a husband and I practice my religion freely, that's why I'm always shocked when people say it's the husband who forces his wife to wear a burqa.

It is actually the case that a lot of men in France do not wish their wives to wear the full veil because when they go out, they are insulted or attacked and their husbands don't want them to be put in that situation. [...]

Why am I, as a Muslim woman, targeted unfairly, when there are less than 2,000 of us in France who wear the burqa? Where is my freedom of clothing or expression?

France prides itself as a country that upholds the rights of man but where are my rights? Why am I not free to wear what I want?" [...]

I have been wearing the veil in France for years and it has never been a problem, I use public transport like everyone else and I've never had any problems.

Although, it can be quite strange when I'm on a bus for example and people say to me: 'You poor thing, we feel sorry for you.' And I wonder exactly why they feel sorry for me. [...]

I really believe that France is scared of Muslims, which is the motivation for this law, but people shouldn't generalize as not all Muslims are the same. [...]

And whatever the outcome, if France succeeds in banning the veil on its streets, I will never take mine off. My freedom means a lot to me and if this law is passed, I would rather move to another country where I can worship in peace.

[Seil]

I'm tempted to imagine that Seil just kept this quote for all posterity, holding onto it in the hopes that I'd vanish and then he could totally slander my reputation

"What reputation?" (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=421332&postcount=8) or "Because You Didn't Mention Me In Your Goodbye Speech(es).

[rpgdemon]

I just want to know why Snake can -personally- guarantee it.

[Azisien]

I'm reasonably certain Snake has been one of those people asking about member sizes, and I'm also reasonably certain he will get mad at me for posting that and tell me why in a detailed fashion if he reads this.

But he shouldn't read this, because he shouldn't be here, because he has exams and shit. So go away! No, no stop. Don't type that. Scroll that mouse over to the top right and yeeah, there you g-

[Bells]

Where are the trains? I'm sure see a lot of rails on the ground, but no trains! What gives?
y'see... cause... like, the train has gone off the rails... like... this thread, see? It's a metaphor... seriously. Get it?

[akaSM]

Where are the trains? I'm sure see a lot of rails on the ground, but no trains! What gives?
y'see... cause... like, the train has gone off the rails... like... this thread, see? It's a metaphor... seriously. Get it?

rulElJITIVY

[CABAL49]

grls r dum.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

boys r fartz

[Seil]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u59/Poetisch/CalvinHobbesWhatTigersAreMadeOf.gif

[Satan's Onion]

welp, Watterson

/thread, guys

[shiney]

snip

Awful lot of not making sandwiches you've got going on there, pochie.

[Osterbaum]

You should think of your husband more, you self centered hussy.

[shiney]

She's not going to respond Oster. She's too busy cramming birth-control pills down her gullet (since she just had an abortion and wants guilt and consequence-free sex).

[Fifthfiend]

I'm just gonna jump in here at post 17 having read nothing but the title and tell whoever's being terrible in the previous 16 posts to stop.

You know who you are.

[Aldurin]

I'm just gonna jump in here at post 17 having read nothing but the title and tell whoever's being terrible in the previous 16 posts to stop.

You know who you are.

What are you doing here? Back to the kitchen, fifth! You're not going to disguise yourself as a guy and sneak out that easily!

[Seil]

Guys who say women belong in the kitchen obviously don’t know what to do with them in the bedroom.

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[Token]

Isn't it libel on an internet forum?

You're taking the Bar, Snake. You should know that.

[Seil]

He's not at the bar, that would be a detriment to the whole 'study' thing.

Seriously, lawyers and bars?

[Aldurin]

Seriously, lawyers and bars?

That would explain everything.

[POS Industries]

You're taking the Bar, Snake.
Hawt.

[Satan's Onion]

She's not going to respond Oster. She's too busy cramming birth-control pills down her gullet (since she just had an abortion and wants guilt and consequence-free sex).

Correction: As feminists DESPICABLE FEMINAZI MISANDRIST MAN-HATING BIGOTS, she and I are both far too busy being ugly and fat and bitter and hairy and frumpy and owning cats to serve our Primary Purpose of being sexually desirable and obedient to men. So even if we wanted to, we could never land a man, and also, simultaneously, we're all lesbians or something, I dunno, to be honest I never got this part of the whole anti-feminist thingy. Must be my tiny lady-mind.

[Osterbaum]

Any woman who does not desire a man must be a lesbian!

[shiney]

But also a whore who craves dick.

[Ecks]

Oh my god. Man even for a not-serious thread this is just... wow.

Congratulations guys you have rendered me speechless.

[Osterbaum]

What are you, a woman? 'Cause if that's the case then how about you take my dick in your mouth to shut you up.

[batgirl]

I was actually hoping for a serious discussion on this topic, since it started off so well. Welp NPF, thanks for ruining my hopes and dreams once again.

[Seil]

It's all Shiney and Osterbaum's fault.

As usual.

Men.

See, this is what happens when I've only got half a bottle of wine - I'm useless.

[Osterbaum]

It is not yet too late!

[Kyanbu The Legend]

We could still get a good discussion out of it. Though there isn't much to talk about that we haven't discussed before in threads like this. Other then current events that is.

[batgirl]

I've pretty much lost all my faith in getting serious discussions out of any thread any more. Any serious discussion usually gets derailed rather quickly by either talks of penis size or cat memes.

[Krylo]

It's all Shiney and Osterbaum's fault.

Actually pretty sure it was RPG, Azi, and Bells that derailed it.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

What was the original point to discuss? Cause I read the first post and shit if I know.

[Osterbaum]

I've pretty much lost all my faith in getting serious discussions out of any thread any more. Any serious discussion usually gets derailed rather quickly by either talks of penis size or cat memes.
I don't know. I think it's just that we've been making more non-serious nonsensical threads as of late. There are still serious threads with serious convos going on.

[rpgdemon]

What was the original point to discuss? Cause I read the first post and shit if I know.

Yeah, the first post seemed meaningless, so I responded in kind with a one-off fluff post.

Edit: Not meaningless as in: "Nothing important", but more in the way of, "I didn't get any significant meaning, or see a place for discussion. Sexism is bad, we know that, and it had a random Snake quote for some reason?"

[Seil]

Re-reading, I admit it was more an invitation to discuss the incident atwixt Aris Longlastname and his player, link again. (http://kotaku.com/5889066/competitive-gamers-inflammatory-comments-spark-sexual-harassment-debate)

In terms of the video, though, which sparked the thread, I was interested how sexism affected members of NPF. I didn't expect there to be a whole lot of wild storiesm but just a few that we could look at. We could also talk about the relationship atwixt the online.. thing... and sexism. The meme culture and its adherent towards women and the kitchens that they should habit.

I don't think that the collective online males believe that women should be objectified. I do believe in the Fuckwad Theory (http://daily-grind.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/greaterinternetfuckwadtheory.jpg), but I believe that individually these people are either good people or aren't assertive or are either loathsome individuals enough that they render themselves unable to date, let alone confine a woman.

In terms of the video incident, shitty dude is shitty dude.