cannibalism lol

[Gregness]

Sort of puts a new spin on having the munchies don't it? (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/bath-salts-marijuana-face-eating-killer-miami-cannibal-143149305.html)

Rudy Eugene—the Florida man who was suspected to be high on "bath salts" last month when he was shot and killed by police after refusing to stop chewing a homeless man's face—was not on "bath salts" after all.

According to the Miami-Dade County medical examiner's office, toxicology tests performed on Eugene found marijuana in his system, but no street drugs, prescription drugs or alcohol. Eugene also tested negative for adulterants commonly mixed with street drugs.

"The department has also sought the assistance of an outside forensic toxicology reference laboratory, which has confirmed the absence of 'bath salts,' synthetic marijuana and LSD," the medical examiner said.

But that doesn't necessarily mean cannabis was the cause of cannibalism.

"There is an almost infinite number of chemical substances out there that can trigger unusual behavior," Bruce Goldberger, professor and director of toxicology at the University of Florida, told the Associated Press. "There are many of these synthetic drugs that we currently don't have the methodology to test on, and that is not the fault of the toxicology lab. The challenge today for the toxicology lab is to stay on top of these new chemicals and develop methodologies for them, but it's very difficult and very expensive. There is no one test or combination of tests that can detect every possible substance out there."


Hopefully we can avoid the idiocy of the end of the last thread for at least a little bit.

I honestly have my doubts that it was only chemistry at work here. Sure chemical substances can cause 'unusual behavior' but it seems unlikely to me that any combination of substances would do THAT to someone on their own.

Eh, who knows, I'm not a pharmacist.

What I AM curious about though, is how long it will take the anti-legalization activists to latch onto this in counter to the "pot doesn't hurt anyone" argument.

[Bells]

I'm no fan of pot, but i really see no real connection here... and yes, probably people claiming there is are likely just pushing their own agenda with it...

I also can't actually imagine a simple chemical reaction causing THAT type of outburst over and over again... how many cases we have going around now? 4-5 in the span of a couple of months?

I dunno, i seem to recall stuff about this from ages ago, but i can't really recall... but wasn't there a deal where someone in a weaken state of mind (and susceptible to violent outbursts) to be instigated or "inspired" if you will... by these "zombie outbreaks" the media and the people keep talking here and there? Kinda like Mass Hysteria but focused on a single, weakened mind?

[Marelo]

The "zombie" crap is just a media fad (http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-ways-face-eater-zombie-craze-proves-medias-broken/). None of these incidents have anything to do with each other, nor are they actually all that unusual except in that the media is paying attention to them now.

People did weird violent things long before now. People have chewed on people's faces before, even. Now it's just popular to talk about so the media is talking about it.

[Jagos]

I'm no fan of pot, but i really see no real connection here... and yes, probably people claiming there is are likely just pushing their own agenda with it...

I also can't actually imagine a simple chemical reaction causing THAT type of outburst over and over again... how many cases we have going around now? 4-5 in the span of a couple of months?

I dunno, i seem to recall stuff about this from ages ago, but i can't really recall... but wasn't there a deal where someone in a weaken state of mind (and susceptible to violent outbursts) to be instigated or "inspired" if you will... by these "zombie outbreaks" the media and the people keep talking here and there? Kinda like Mass Hysteria but focused on a single, weakened mind?

Since some drugs are illegal, people are using "legal" alternatives with disastrous results.

[Magus]

Well, the only one I ever thought was actually even zombie-like was this one. The others weren't even zombie-like.

Perhaps we can downgrade this to a "psycho cannibal" media firestorm.

[Pip Boy]

You guys are just trying to conceal the harsh truth that smoking weed will make you take all your clothes off and eat a man's face.

[Cloud Strife]

You guys are just trying to conceal the harsh truth that smoking weed will make you take all your clothes off and eat a man's face.

Not just smoking weed, apparently. (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cannibal-attack-china-drunk-bus-1111517)

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Where did the bath salts angle come in, anyway? Also, just something to consider, but maybe the moron laced his bath salts with the funky weed & soaked in it for some period of time.

That might lead to an extreme overdose of weed in his system. And there's no guarantee the bath salts were the normal over-the-shelf variety.

As for the China case, I suspect some else than booze was also at play.

[Sifright]

you can't really overdose on the active ingredient of Weed.

[Meister]

How good that drugs exist or we might have to accept that human beings do really fucked up things to each other naturally.
Also, just something to consider, but maybe the moron laced his bath salts with the funky weed & soaked in it for some period of time.

That might lead to an extreme overdose of weed in his system. And there's no guarantee the bath salts were the normal over-the-shelf variety.
Nothing about this makes any sense.

e: oh wow do you believe "bath salts" are actual cosmetic bath salts that people use as drugs, cause that would be hilarious even without the "overdose on weed by soaking in it" angle.

[Sifright]

whoa whoa, is bob actually suggesting the dude literally took a bath and soaked in weed and 'bath salts'

heh.

[Melfice]

e: oh wow do you believe "bath salts" are actual cosmetic bath salts that people use as drugs, cause that would be hilarious even without the "overdose on weed by soaking in it" angle.

... I'd just like to state that somewhere, at some point in time, some person thought he might be able to get high on actual cosmetic bath salts.

I have no evidence to this statement, but considering humanity, it's gotta be true.

At any rate, I have to admit that, the first time I heard about these "bath salts", I thought it was about actual bath salts.

[Cloud Strife]

I've actually seen someone crush up and snort a caffeine pill. Just saying.

As for the bath salts angle, the officer that was first reporting in Miami-Dade was the one that suggested his symptoms were similar to a drug-induced psychosis that is brought on by the currently 'legal' concoction known as Bath Salts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_salts_%28drug%29).

[Sky Warrior Bob]

you can't really overdose on the active ingredient of Weed.

You can overdose on any drug, even baby aspirin, if you can manage to get it into you without giving you a gag reflex. Weed, if you took it in a bath form, might be substantially different effect. Plus, you wouldnt gag if you had too much.

I had some dry echinacea powder on my hands that I washed off & discovered something of a muscle relaxant.


Also, if funky bath salts were to blame, there might have been other things in there too. Point is, he could have been soaking in some chemical stew of a concoction, for all we know.

Spontaneous canabilism, is fairly a large bit of freak out.

I'm not making a crusade against weed, just saying that it's not impossible to absorb things through the skin, or else the patch really wouldn't work as a form of birth control, or the nicotine patch either, for that matter.

Again, I could be wrong but, it might explain why bath salts were initially blamed.

[Krylo]

You can overdose on any drug, even baby aspirin, if you can manage to get it into you without giving you a gag reflex. Weed, if you took it in a bath form, might be substantially different effect.

In order to ingest enough THC to overdose you would have to either eat enough to vomit multiple times over while somehow not vomiting or lock yourself in a room while smoking so much that you are at greater danger of suffocation than ODing.

Also: You don't bathe in bath salts. That's... that's not a thing. I don't even

[Sky Warrior Bob]

First, I grant that the term "Bath Salts" might be a term of slang I'm unfamilar with, but given the article doesn't explain what else it could mean & nobody in this thread has otherwise explained it, I'm litterally not seeing what's exactly wrong.

e: oh wow do you believe "bath salts" are actual cosmetic bath salts that people use as drugs, cause that would be hilarious even without the "overdose on weed by soaking in it" angle.

Sorry, but are you aware that commercial bath salts aren't always just salt & scent these days? Example (http://www.amazon.com/Village-Naturals-Therapy-Aches-Mineral/dp/B00107BB82/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341683547&sr=8-1&keywords=Bath+salt+pain)

People try weird things, I think I've heard of some drug being injected directly into an eyeball, to disastrous effect.

I don't know for certain that you can OD on weed taking a bath, but I do know you can absorb drugs through the skin.

Given how seriously, messed up this guy was, it not impossible creative drug use might have had a part to play.


Also: You don't bathe in bath salts. That's... that's not a thing. I don't even

I literally don't follow. I've used bath salts, you take a handfull & add it to the water as you fill the tub. Then you soak & generally bathe.

Or are you suggesting somebody was thinking of just getting into a bucket of salt?

[Pip Boy]

Well look, sometimes you get the munchies and you're out of doritos, so you settle for some raw face instead.

[Nikose Tyris]

Let's just... change this conversation slightly, with a little bit of education. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxypyrovalerone)

Sometimes terms and words do not mean what we think they mean. It is a thing that happens.

Edit: Further clarification for people immune to the sway of click through. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_salts_%28drug%29)

[Loyal]

I was under the impression that "bath salts" were not literally salts you use in bathing but rather an entirely unrelated substance called bath salts for marketing or whatever.

e: Oh hi Nikose

[TDK]

Bath salt the drug (not taken by bathing, this is just a name) = Methylenedioxypyrovalerone

Literal bath salts (Epsom salt) = Magnesium Sulfate

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Let's just... change this conversation slightly, with a little bit of education. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxypyrovalerone)

Sometimes terms and words do not mean what we think they mean. It is a thing that happens.

Edit: Further clarification for people immune to the sway of click through. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_salts_%28drug%29)

Thanks. When I read the article, they never stated specifically that "bath salts" were anything but the commercial stuff. There were some links, but I didn't follow them, because I thought I kne what the story was talking about.

Sorry, but I don't keep up on drugs & have been struggling with major insomnia following some recent surgery, that I won't get into. Anyway, I was confused & nobody really made it clear what I wasn't getting.

[stefan]

to be fair to bob this would not be the first time someone used an innocuous thing like commercial bath salts to get high by using it in a way its not supposed to.

[Meister]

Thanks. When I read the article, they never stated specifically that "bath salts" were anything but the commercial stuff.
The fact that there was a context of eating living humans' faces might have been a tip-off to something outside the usual scope of relaxation and skin care.

I mean I totally get how you can be confused hearing about bath salts on the news, because I didn't really know it as a slang term either, but then you go on wikipedia and enter "bath salts" and the article suggestions are for "bath salts" and "bath salts (drugs)" and, well, there you go.

[Bells]

i also thought that the Bath Salts were Bath salts... i just thought it was some sort of Chemical mix that instead of causing relaxation was causing some sort of "rage" effect on people

[Nikose Tyris]

Those Epsom Salts will fuck you up I tell you what

[Krylo]

to be fair to bob this would not be the first time someone used an innocuous thing like commercial bath salts to get high by using it in a way its not supposed to.

Yeah, but Cloud had already linked the Wiki and explained it before Bob's post.

[Marelo]

All that aside, bath salts and weed didn't make a dude eat another dude's face.

Edit: I mean, he wasn't even on bath salts, so...

[Magus]

Pretty much all the people I know thought it was actual bath salts, actually. Just when you smoked them they got you all crazy or something, I guess. Probably comes down to a case of people going like "OH THOSE KIDS THESE DAYS, SMOKING THE BATH SALTS TO GET HIGH", etc. They probably think it's like huffing glue or spraypaint or something.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Yeah, but Cloud had already linked the Wiki and explained it before Bob's post.

Uhm, you aren't talking about this post, are you?

Not just smoking weed, apparently. (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cannibal-attack-china-drunk-bus-1111517)

Because the link is to a story about a Chinese bus driver who also engaged in spontaneous canabilism, due to drinking. If there's anything about bath salts in there, it isn't in the first paragraph, which is all I thought I needed to know.

[Nikose Tyris]

I've actually seen someone crush up and snort a caffeine pill. Just saying.

As for the bath salts angle, the officer that was first reporting in Miami-Dade was the one that suggested his symptoms were similar to a drug-induced psychosis that is brought on by the currently 'legal' concoction known as Bath Salts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_salts_%28drug%29).

This link, actually, SWB.

[Meister]

who also engaged in spontaneous canabilism, due to drinking
No, it's about a bus driver who attacked someone while he was drunk. Don't buy into that scummy tabloid method of implying causation through association.

it isn't in the first paragraph, which is all I thought I needed to know
Yeah I think we stumbled across a basic problem with your approach to linked sources there. (Well, sources that aren't the Mirror or the Sun or any of those, which you can safely ignore.)

[Nikose Tyris]

No, it's about a bus driver who attacked someone while he was drunk. Don't buy into that scummy tabloid method of implying causation through association.

Man I dunno, when I get about midway through a bottle of Vodka I have a craving for faces like you wouldn't believe.

[Sifright]

Man I dunno, when I get about midway through a bottle of Vodka I have a craving for faces like you wouldn't believe.

Yea but like you're rich, and we all know the rich literally live off the poor I can see that going a step further and some rich dude deciding that he should have some premium flame grilled hobo.

[Aerozord]

I personally refuse to dine on anything but the hearts of my slain enemies.


or pizza, I also enjoy pizza

[TDK]

Yea but like you're rich, and we all know the rich literally live off the poor I can see that going a step further and some rich dude deciding that he should have some premium flame grilled hobo.

In what sense could a hobo be considered 'premium'? The really primo meat comes from athletes.

[Sifright]

Well I mean sure, we could argue that but think for a moment. The Athlete has a function beyond simply being meat where as we all know from the rich man mind the Hobo is simply a waste of space who prays upon good god fearing people and coincidentally makes them feel slightly uncomfortable by showing that society isn't a wondrous great special thing. After all the rich don't eat horses do they? The athlete is the human equivalent of a show horse. Where as the Hobo is the equivalent of the pheasant

By eating special society grown premium hobo they can assuage their guilt and their hunger one delicious hobo burger at a time.

[Magus]

Athletes are like kobe beef, you're eating them because they're lean and well fed and massaged by samurai (or whatever is going on over there). Hobos on the other hand are the pink slime of beef analogies. Hobos are consumed by your price conscious working poor cannibals, whereas athletes would obviously be what the rich choose to dine upon.

[Azisien]

I can't see athletes being very tasty. They probably have big portions of meat on them, but it would be all tough from all that exercise they get up to before they are slaughtered and devoured. I'm sure there's plenty of dishes where one could tenderize, ground, and marinate them, but for every other case, I'll stick to eating toddlers.

[Magus]

I can't see athletes being very tasty. They probably have big portions of meat on them, but it would be all tough from all that exercise they get up to before they are slaughtered and devoured. I'm sure there's plenty of dishes where one could tenderize, ground, and marinate them, but for every other case, I'll stick to eating toddlers.

Oh, well, I think we can all agree toddlers are the veal of humanity. Delicious, delicious toddlers.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Truth be told, I don't care particularly much for toddlers. Too chewy on account of all the cartilage from their bones still forming and all. Older individuals have a much more satisfying "crunch."

[Overcast]

I tend to prey on lifetime gamers, years of semi-starvation diet due to mmo addiction and low exercise makes them lean but tender.

[McTahr]

I prefer other vegans, personally. It's the most guilt-less of meats, because you're running an 80-90% chance of eating a pretentious douche.

[Magus]

Cannibal cult ate brains and made unmentionable soup, Papua New Guinea police say (http://www.mercurynews.com/weird-news/ci_21068940/cannibal-cult-ate-brains-and-made-unmentionable-soup)

By Rod McGuirk

Associated Press
Posted: 07/13/2012 08:51:23 AM PDT
Updated: 07/13/2012 08:51:24 AM PDT

CANBERRA, Australia -- Authorities have arrested 29 people accused of being part of a cannibal cult in Papua New Guinea's jungle interior and charged them with the murders of seven suspected witch doctors, police said Friday.

Madang Police Commander Anthony Wagambie confirmed a report in The National newspaper that said the cult members allegedly ate their victims' brains raw and made soup from their penises.

"They don't think they've done anything wrong; they admit what they've done openly," Wagambie told The Associated Press by telephone.

He said the killers believed that their victims practiced "sanguma," or sorcery, and that they had been extorting money as well as demanding sex from poor villagers for their supernatural services.

By eating witch doctors' organs, the cult members believed they would attain supernatural powers and literally become bullet-proof, he said.

"It's prevalent cult activity," Wagambie said. He said he believes there could be between 700 and 1,000 cult members in several villages in Papua New Guinea's remote northeast interior. All of them might have eaten human flesh, he said.

According to the report in The National, which is published in Papua New Guinea, 28 men and women appeared in a Madang court on Tuesday. Wagambie said they were charged with willful murder.

It was not clear what happened to the 29th suspect. Murder is punishable by death in Papua New Guinea, a poor South Pacific
island nation.

Wagambie said the suspects were not required to plea to the murder charges and were being held in custody.

Police will gather more witness statements before pressing charges related to the cannibalism allegations, he said.

Cannibalism was part of traditional culture in Papua New Guinea, where human flesh was known as "long pig," and survived in isolated pockets into the latter part of the 20th century while the country was under Australian colonial rule.

Wagambie, 36, said he had never heard of a previous case of cannibalism in his lifetime.

He expected police would make around 100 arrests over the weekend for cult-related crimes.

Four of the seven victims were murdered last week, Wagambie said, adding that no remains had been recovered.

"They're probably all eaten up," he said.

Good times.