HIGGS BOSON FOUND!

[Bells]

Nerds Everywhere Rejoice the FUCK out!

if you clicked in this thread cause you knew what the title means, that means you're a nerd too... REJOICE!

...first and foremost, this is fitting

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This is the official annoucement at the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2012/jul/04/higgs-boson-discovered-live-coverage-cern

cientists at the CERN research centre have discovered a new subatomic particle that could be the elusive Higgs boson, which is believed to be crucial in the formation of the universe.

"I can confirm that a particle has been discovered that is consistent with the Higgs boson theory," said John Womersley, chief executive of the UK's Science & Technology Facilities Council, at an event in London.

Joe Incandela, spokesman for one of the two teams hunting for the Higgs particle told an audience at CERN near Geneva: "This is a preliminary result, but we think it's very strong and very solid."

Today we have witnessed a discovery which gives unique insight into our understanding of the universe and the origin of the masses of fundamental particles. There is no doubt that the Higgs particle exists and we now have to understand its properties and whether it behaves exactly as predicted by theory.

This discovery is the first milestone of the LHC physics programme and opens the door to many more exciting discoveries by the LHC experiments in the next decade.

This could be just the first step towards uncovering a completely new layer of reality - the Higgs might lead to the discovery of supersymmetry: the notion that for every known particle there exist a super-particle with a much larger mass.

And if supersymmetry is real, then we are on our way to finally crack the mystery of the dark matter in the Universe. Dark matter might be 'the last Highlander' of all supersymmetric particles, the only surviving 'sparticle' from the Big Bang. And we might be on the verge of hunting it down at the LHC.

So, Science lovers everywhere, REJOICE!

For more indepth cover and information, check the above link!

[rpgdemon]

It said maybe! They have not found nothin' yet.

I hate getting my hopes up for maybes.

[Aerozord]

I will withhold my rejoicing until it is indeed confirmed

[Bells]

Rejoice Damn you!!!

They confirmed a new sub atomic particle strongly consistent with the Higgs theory, that's already a homerun on all accounts! Now, as the discovery develops it's just a matter to see if it's going to make all the lights in the stadium explode or not during the run...

I mean, unless someone finds out that the new particles was tofu crumbles that feel into the LHC, this is already pretty amazing on it's own...

Also Butthurt america is butthurt
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/05/why-the-higgs-boson-wasnt-discovered-in-america/

[rpgdemon]

You can't control me!

This might be like the neutrinos.

[Aerozord]

for the record even if it is the particle I won't be all that celebratory

I'm more of an engineer than a scientist, so I will save my celebrating till we can apply this new information

[rpgdemon]

for the record even if it is the particle I won't be all that celebratory

I'm more of an engineer than a scientist, so I will save my celebrating till we can apply this new information

That too.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I'm a little scared about the thought that we found what may be a key part in the big bang. I hope we don't try shooting it, because we don't need a second big bang. lol

[Locke cole]

As far as I can tell, the "maybe" is less "Well, we might have found something" and more "We found something that we've never found before, that is exhibiting the properties we were looking for. Maybe it's what we were looking for."

[Flarecobra]

It's not confermed. Not rejoicing yet, but keeping an eye on it.

The other is on the list of exoplanets.

[Sifright]

....... Yea at a sigma level of 4.9 it's good as confirmed. The real reason not to rejoice is because there seems to be a high likelyhood that this new information could lead to a dead end in research. Negative results in science are often a lot more interesting at this kind of level because it helps to prove current theoretical models wrong and point in new directions for how the world works.

If all we get is "Yep SM is correct no new info" it will actually be the worst result possible.

[Locke cole]

As they say, great discoveries in science are heralded, not by "Eureka!", but by "That's strange..."

[Amake]

The only thing science has always proved, the world is bigger and stranger than we thought it was.

[Malek]

The BBC did a short interview with Stephen Hawking about the discovery

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[Sithdarth]

You fail Bells. I beat you to the announcement by almost 2 days (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1204423&postcount=135). Seriously this is totally a Science - a symposium post and not really a thread of its own. I mean it's pretty much run its course and then some already.

[Aerozord]

actually I might be missing something, I only have a basic understanding of particle physics, but didn't we always assume the higgs-boson existed and thus this just proves we were right and ultimately does absolutely squat for our understanding of science except keeping us from wasting out time with other potential theories?

[Bells]

actually no... this opens the floodgates for a ton of unique new theories that offer explanations as to "what" Dark Matter and Dark Energy are, as to how they came to been and how did the universe got formed and even a tentative "why".

did you checked the video of the presentation of their discovery? Give it a look, they share some really great insight on why this matters going forward.

[Magus]

America would only have funded the Large Hadron Collider in Texas if there was a guarantee we could make miniature black holes. You gotta sell the weapons aspect of these things, not just theoretical physical sciences, or Congress is all like "AND HOW DOES THE HIGGS-BOSON KEEP US SAFE FROM THE TERRORISTS?!"

[Bells]

Wanna bet they will try to somehow use this as a way to propel science development as a way to save the Euro?

[Locke cole]

This doesn't contribute to the actual discussion. I just think it's too cringe-worthy not to share. (http://i.imgur.com/Y69cF.png)

[Magus]

Glad to see the totally goofy nickname the media gave the particle back in the '90s ('80s?) that fails to accurately describe it at all but did fit better on a magazine cover has now come to its logical conclusion.

[akaSM]

This doesn't contribute to the actual discussion. I just think it's too cringe-worthy not to share. (http://i.imgur.com/Y69cF.png)

Hey ?#atheists?!! Guess who created you're beloved Higgs-Boson "God particle"??? God!! To bad you are to dumb too see that!! ?#atheism? ?#atheist?

That thing is aweomse....ly bad

Here's a link (https://twitter.com/derpparticle) in case you want to read more quality tweets.

[Bells]

at this point in the 21th century i'm willing to believe that 80% of all those tweets were made like that on purpose or in "Fake Sarcasm" mode

[EVILNess]

at this point in the 21th century i'm willing to believe that 80% of all those tweets were made like that on purpose or in "Fake Sarcasm" mode

Hanlon's razor.

Just saying.

[Aerozord]

can we please not let this derail into science vs religion.

I know it hasn't really yet but I'm being preemptive because its really starting to irk me

[Cloud Strife]

Hanlon's razor.

Just saying.

Thank you for making me think of Occam's Razor, which I misremembered, because I was actually thinking of Godwin's Law. So, it's your fault. You jerk.

On topic, it's slightly silly that America is butthurt, considering the leader of the CMS team (one of the teams that discovered the particle) is a Californian. Joe Incandela of UC Santa Barbara, to be precise. The leader of the other team, ATLAS, is an Italian physicist by the name of Fabiola Gianotti. No, seriously.

Either way, over 5000 scientists were involved, between the two teams. The credit, in my opinion, goes to all of them.

[Locke cole]

can we please not let this derail into science vs religion.

I know it hasn't really yet but I'm being preemptive because its really starting to irk me

No, I'm fine with it not turning into that, really. I just saw that image elsewhere, and found it was rtoo ridiculous not to show. I, of course, am far from thinking that's representative. It's just a collection of the dumbest things said about the discovery.

[Magus]

I don't think it's a case of science v. religion so much as a bunch of dumb people heard "God particle" and thought it had something to do with God when it's just a silly nickname that doesn't describe it very well.

[Aerozord]

I don't think it's a case of science v. religion so much as a bunch of dumb people heard "God particle" and thought it had something to do with God when it's just a silly nickname that doesn't describe it very well.

more likely it was people that knew exactly what it meant and were just making fun of it.

[Magus]

Yeah, I'd say it's debatable if they are being facetious (ala Christwire (http://christwire.org/)) or if they are actually stupid (as someone mentioned, Hanlon's Razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor)), or some combination thereof (someone makes a stupid post and a bunch of other people make facetious ones parodying it).