Time Vs Space : Pick one

[Bells]

Let's break down some minds here... ::V:

If you had to choose only one, automatically removing the other entirely. Being able to interact and exist only within your choice, what would you choose? Time or Space?

Make your case! what is the best pick for existence itself?

Yeah, i went there! What?!

[Magus]

This doesn't even make any sense, though. You can't really have one without the other. There's a reason they call it space-time...

Okay, fine. Space. Time might not be an actual thing...unless it is.

EDIT: Like seriously are we predicating this on "if you have time, you can visit different time periods of nothingness" or space, where it's like "you can sit totally frozen forever and ever and ever and ever"

[Flarecobra]

Yeah, I cannot really choose, since both are co-dependent...

[Menarker]

Agreed.

That said, if I had POWERS over one of those two, I'd probably choose space. =3

[Arcanum]

It would help if you put down some ground rules. If time doesn't exist in this scenario, does that mean everything is frozen in place? Or that everything else is frozen and you're free to move about the world, trapped in a single isolated moment in time? And if space doesn't exist, does that mean you're trapped in nothingness? Pure void in all directions, but you'll still age and die eventually?

[Aerozord]

yea they are the same thing. but if you assume they aren't than I guess no time. I'd be immortal, and could still be in two places at once by just making time paradox duplicates.

[Amake]

Movement through space is inversely proportional to movement through time. I think of them as different mediums in which observable phenomena occur (or rather different perceptions of the same medium); we might say time and space are not phenomena themselves. But anyway, to remove one would just mean making our speed of movement through the other infinite - we could either stand still as Archimedes' fulcrum and watch the universe move around us at an apparent infinite speed, or freeze the universe in an apparent infinite moment and move freely inside it.

Both options seem like they'd get boring fast, ultimately reducing you to a powerless observer, but the first has some possibilities. I'm imagining without movement through space time would seem to pass in an instant, and that brings us to the question of how much time there is. If we assume time in the universe will eventually break down or change into something we don't recognize as time for some reason, be it an Aztec calender machine, heat death or some manner of spiritual rebirth or redesign, then moving through time at absolute speed would put us outside of time. Which probably means looking at all of spacetime from the outside. I can't imagine that'd be boring.

[Bells]

See? that's what i like about this topic... the more you think about it, more abstract it gets.

Would you rather have access to all of the space and none of the time, or all of the time but none of the space?

It's madness, Madness i tell's ya!

[Sifright]

I'm going to go with space, given that time is a byproduct of space and thus simply having access to it would negate the initial statement that you have to choose.

Space/matter by it's very essence is what gives existence to the idea of time. all matter is contained within it's own space-time frame so to have space is to have time by default.

[Ryong]

You want a picture of the universe or the ability to go back and forth in non-existence?

That's a weird question.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I am already a master of both.

[stefan]

See? that's what i like about this topic... the more you think about it, more abstract it gets.


thats not what abstract means.

[Azisien]

If I pick space, could I restrict myself to only certain dimensions? That might be fun.

[Sithdarth]

Movement through space is inversely proportional to movement through time.

This is just straight up not true and actually completely nonsensical. You seem to be attempting to allude to special relativity. However, your statement assumes some kind of special rest frame in which space exists against which absolute movement can be measured. This is classic Newtonian thinking and is absolutely wrong. Things get even worse when you take General Relativity into account and realize that gravity alone is enough to cause people to experience time differently.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Space, mainly because time itself is based on gravity. And I don't believe time would be to big a loss in comparision to Space.

[PhoenixFlame]

Up vs down, pick one. The question isn't so much abstract as it is meaningless, perception and therefore sapience relies on the existance of both time and space.

Therefore, any opinion I or anyone else had on the matter is irrelevant as none of us would exist in either case. At least, not in any way we understand.

[akaSM]

I choose kitty snuggles.

[Bells]

Up vs down, pick one. The question isn't so much abstract as it is meaningless, perception and therefore sapience relies on the existance of both time and space.

Therefore, any opinion I or anyone else had on the matter is irrelevant as none of us would exist in either case. At least, not in any way we understand.

i totally understand that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNOOZLbpBNM#t=1m35s)

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I need time to heal but I also need space to grow. Dilemma

[Aerozord]

We can perceive 4 dimensions theoretical physicists have calculated that there are like 15. Universes are wierd

[Nique]

One of if not the most fascinating thing to me about existence is that time is relative. Like, that you could theoretically have a bunch of people flying around in space at different speeds, some above the speed of light and others below it, and if they met up with each other at any point they would have been affected by time significantly different with decades passing for one and years passing for the other. Like, time is not just a static thing and that's kind of messed up and neat.

[Sithdarth]

some above the speed of light

Definitely not that. Well the speed of light does kind of depend on the local gravity but I think you generally meant the local speed of light of the person moving. Well and conceivably there are places were spacetime itself twists and moves enough that closed time like curves are possible (read something akin to moving faster than light) but special relativity and its predictions don't apply there anyway. Of course you could potentially find a way to create an observer already moving faster than light (assuming tachyons do exist) but then you'd never be able to communicate with that observer or bring it below light speed. So remove that bit and maybe you have something.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm pretty sure the speed of light is more of a guideline than a rule. Its like the motorway- the limit is 80 mph but you can go 90 without any bother. I reckon scientists are just lazy and can't be fucked accelerating shit to the speed of the light so they are like "Nah you totally can't do that man, its like impossible".

[PyrosNine]

I choose FIYAAAAAAh.

Fact 1: There's a time and a space for making fire.
Fact 2: I can make fire in the right space at the wrong time.
Fact 3: I can also make it in the wrong space at the right time.

Therefore Fire is capable of being independent of both space and time! QED.

[Red Mage Black]

I don't know if this was thought of already since I didn't read the entire thread, only pages 1 and 3(this one), but there are pros and cons to both. I'll list a con for each since they're the easiest.

Space - Yes, you could be in multiple places at once, but think of the mental instability. You would have to focus on different events at the same time. At some point, your ability to properly cogitate what you're doing in separate places is going to mess up and you may even end up doing the wrong thing in the wrong place.

Time - I'd like to think someone had it right. The ability to travel through time would be useful, however, what about the position of the Earth? You would need to travel to that exact same date and time years ago to not end up in the void. Even then, there is still a margin for error in that calculation. Since dates fall on different days of the week, you need to find out exactly which day it falls on. Since March 5th, 1972(random date) is not going to fall on the same day as say March 5th, 1975.

The only way I can see this works is if your powers are flawless. Like, you could be at work and at home playing video games simultaneously without distracting yourself with either or you could teleport to any location without causing some sort of space flux. That or with time, be able to move back and forth between dates in time without being stuck out in the void or without aging faster(relative to those living in normal time) than everyone else.

[PyrosNine]

Is there a pro and con you have to say about Fiyaaah? I think not!

[Eltargrim]

Fuck the Minovsky limit. Breach the speed of light like a boss. Space is awesome (accommodates alcoholism), but time is the real limit. 4-vector that to the past and we're good.

Disclaimer: I am very drunk