"Would You Be A Jedi Or A Sith?" or "In The Old Republic, Not The Empire"

[Seil]

Here's the thing about the Star Wars extended universe: I don't know anything about it. I do like the KOTOR games, I enjoy messing around with The Force Unleashed, and the movies - for the most part - are pretty good.

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But it looks like, in that MMO thing, that the war between the Republic and the Empire was a little bit bigger than portrayed in the movies. (I never saw that Clone Wars thing.) What with knights and consular and inquisitors and junk.

But barring what you played in The Old Republic, barring the collective "the Republic are the good guys!" mentality; because, let's be honest, the average person/cephalopod/wookie/hutt doesn't give a crap about intergalactic space politics.

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For the most part, you would be blind to the Jedi/Sith war. You'd be bombarded with the same propaganda present in every fight, and you'd be influenced by the guy writing your space cheques. I'm not suggesting that stormtroopers watch the Empire's version of FOX news and read the Republic Huffington post, but that wouldn't be too far off here. With all the fighting going on on all the assorted planets and with all the manpower behind both groups - there's like fifty people working on the bridge, and like, three guys manning one spaceship space laser - there'd be a lot of hear say and speculation and talking going on by people on the payroll of one side or the other.

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So out with it; if you lived in this world, what would you be? (Answers not necessarily confined to Jedi or Sith) Would you be more interested in getting a steady job where you have, like 1000 to 1 chance of being levitated and choked to death for a minor screw up, or where you're working with sub-par equipment and second hand weaponry with rebels camping out in taun-taun sleeping bags?

[Bells]

i think...i THINK... you might be mixing Empire with Sith and Jedi with Rebels. Surely all the materials give amp room for that line of thought, but its not necessarily true.

...at least i don't think it is. Is it?!

Either way, i would still be Jedi. Aside from some council bullshit now and then you at least have more freedom than if you would be under sith ruling

[Amake]

I'd live on a tropical planet far away from anyone and write fantasy books about a galaxy far, far away a long time from now.

But really I just wanted to say thanks for the sig quote. I don't know anything about it either, to be sure.

[Osterbaum]

It's not much of a choice really. I mean, two groups of conservative religious zealots; the others want to destroy anyone who is weaker and the others just want to preserve and protect a system that already does that in an even more arbitrary way and more slowly. Both have some weird values and rules. I couldn't see myself with either group. I'd be like a Grey Jedi or whatever.

[Flarecobra]

Fuck both sides.

After all... Ke nu'jurkadir sha Mando'ade! ("Don't mess with Mandalorians!")

[shiney]

It would be interesting to learn more of the political side of the conflict and war; how average peoples' lives were, were they oppressed and if so how, etc etc. Removed from the actual battle and the Jedi/Sith nonsense, how the society governed itself.

Everything in Star Wars is all about 'the force' this and 'space laser' that. The universe doesn't seem to be developed much beyond that really? And I don't have the patience to sift through 40 books of minutiae. Minutae. Minu...details

[Loyal]

Think you had it right the first time.

Maybe be a reformist of some sort.

[Bells]

Space Ron Paul?

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Manga wonjee kohkpa, oong jedi. Chool kanya wee shaja mee-choo.

[Flarecobra]

...Shyria the hutt? I honestly don't see it.

[PyrosNine]

Pyros would just use the force. 'Duh. Buncha light sider creeps be all like: "Pyros, you used force lightning to burn that guy's skin off! You must step away from the dark side!" and sucka Dark Sides be like "Pyros, you need to give up all that goody goody force heal nonsense and join the dark side (as my apprentice)!"

I'm pretty damn sure I don't have to sign a check sheet when I get force powers, and if I can, wanna roll Chaotic Neutral with the force. People need food and help? Done.Bad guy kills millions? Cut his legs and arms off and force lift him into a ventilation shaft with a industrial giga-sized fan.

Kreia, who mostly served as a kind of mary sue author insert, did at least have a point that whenever the Force rears it's ugly head, it's extremely (and destructively) polarizing. People gain the force, have a group that knows the force, one half will go all hippie, the other half will go all jerkass, both will have a climactic battle that wipe one or both out. The writing reason is that "Hey, we need to have good guys and bad guys fighting for a story, easy *bam* done!" The story reason is that "Oh hey, as long as people will abuse power, there will be the Dark Side."

The way it's worked in story is an endless perpetual civil war that destroys civilization and results in the schizo tech and relative medieval stasis lock on technology in the universe, which is a result of bad writing and an adherence to the premise that you can't have a proper star wars story without a Jedi fighting against a Sith somewhere in there. Which is kinda like saying you can't have a DnD story without Dungeons, Dragons, Old Wizards and Ranger Elves fighting Orcs.

[mauve]

If I had force powers, I'd probably join the Jedi so I could learn to use them. Doesn't mean I'd stay there; I'd probably be happiest getting stationed on some relatively peaceful planet where I could just do my own thing and, y'know, tell people not to be dicks. Or just sort of drop off the Jedi radar and "retire" somewhere. I mean, what are they gonna do, come kill me for having powers but not using them to be excessively lawful good or evil? Really, my only options are "join Jedi and bail on them if I don't like it" or "join the Sith and constantly worry about getting murdered by my own teammates trying to prove how SUPER POWERUL AND DAAARRRRRRRK they are."


Ideally, I'd get a loose grasp on using my powers and then run off to have super awesome space adventures with a ragtag crew of loveable fortune-seekers. And also some hot guys.Hell, I don't need the force powers. I'll just be captain of a ship and go on space adventures with my crew of hot guys.

[Revising Ocelot]

The Force is space magic. Fuck magic.

[Red Mage Black]

Not really. It's mainly telekinetics and telepathy, with some clairvoyance and empathy thrown into the mix. Mind Powers man. Force Lightning is energy kinetics as well. No magic here.

[Flarecobra]

Like Han Solo said... "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

And before you say "Jedi don't use blasters..." They totally do. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Paladin)

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

The Force is space magic. Fuck magic.

Well, I think we all know which side RO would join then; he'd be an Inquisitor in the 40k verse.

[Krylo]

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[Seil]

Han shot first.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I'd probably be a Jedi/grey Jedi. I don't completely agree with the sith's methods. And yet sometimes even the council bothers me. But at least as a Jedi it'll be a bit more easier for me to be semi neutral.

[Ecks]

Fuck both sides.

After all... Ke nu'jurkadir sha Mando'ade! ("Don't mess with Mandalorians!")

Vode An, ner'vod

[Mr.Bookworm]

What's important to understand about the Old Republic Sith is that the second game retconned the fuck out of Revan's backstory.

In the first game, Revan was just a evil dick. He (canon Revan's a dude, right?) was some war hero dick who did some vaguely heroic things because the Jedi were being dicks then went mad with power and became a total asshole, because that's what people do. Then he got together with some other total assholes and formed the Sith. Then he got backstabbed by his own apprentice, because that's what Sith do. Then some dick Jedi brainwashed him while muttering "the greater good" under their breaths and he became the PC. THE END.

In the second game, this got turned into Revan being an all-seeing puppeteer who is all EVERYTHING IS PROCEEDING ACCORDING TO THE SCENARIO, and everything villainous he was doing was actually heroic all along, because the writers said so. The Sith are still entirely composed of the biggest assholes in the galaxy, but Revan was just using them because PLOTPLOTPLOT. THE END.

I will defend KotOR II to the death if necessary, but even I think the second one is kind of bullshit.

So, in the Old Republic continuity, both are fuckholes of the highest order. The Jedi are traditionalist, conservative assholes who will violate their own principles whenever it suits them. The Sith are a bunch of puppy-kicking backstabbing morons, albeit one with some maybe vague higher purpose, but whatever.

So fuck the lot of em. I'm with Bindo.

[Krylo]

I coulda sworn the first one alluded to the whole 'unify the galaxy either with me or against me' thing on the rakata planet, but it's been forever and that's way too long to play to get to that, and I might be misremembering.

Regardless, in the Old Republic time, the Sith Emperor is the danger Revan was trying to unify the galaxy against, so no the Sith are just flat out evil (except, maybe, where they backstab the emperor a bunch, but that's just politiking for their own personal power).

Also the Sith Emperor wants to straight up mind control the entire galaxy. So there's that.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Yeah I definitely remember knowing that Revan was ultimately working for the benefit of the galaxy and wasn't actually an evil monster even before 2 came out.

[Overcast]

Everyone wants to be with Bindo, but you cannot merely Bindo.

By and large I wouldn't mind being True Neutral, because I often play the part of apathy and working toward my own ends because of the more powerful consensus. I like the concept of personal freedom, and dislike the concept of being bound by a greater order. It is why I am suffering so much right now.

But I will note that if I had the power to manipulate the Force, I would inevitably be drawn toward the Dark Side. My internal feelings are overbearing, chaotic, and often negative. I find elation in embracing my emotions, and I am excessively curious which the Dark Side embraces, and the Light Side stifles. By that measure I would likely be taken into the Sith, but even then I would be one of those horrifying Sith Scientists/Sorcerers.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

I've worked too many public service jobs to have anything less than smoldering disdain for people in general.

Screw lightning or choking. I'd go full on crush heads like juicy pimples.

[CABAL49]

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[akaSM]

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The guy in black shot first, right?

[Azisien]

Whichever side gets me the most power. But since there seems to be this whole balance thing going for the Force, well, I guess Dark Side. I've always wanted to shoot lightning out of my hands. And possibly aim it at the gas tanks on cars. When they cut me off.

[CABAL49]

If we go by the 2002 Star Wars core rule book made by Wizards of the Coast, which is the only one I have and served as a basis for KOTOR, you can still use dark side powers freely if you have a high enough Charisma. What makes dark side powers dark side, is that they rely on your passions and emotions. The dark side isn't inherently evil, that is just Jedi propaganda. But you do run a high risk of losing control. Course Jedi and Sith like to run around like they own the force.

[Ryong]

The Force is space magic. Fuck magic.

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Always good to find new allies.

[Revising Ocelot]

You ruined my precisely 1000 rep so fuck you too.

EDIT: Also we have previously established that your AntiMage is a hypocrite

He teleports around with purple effects and causes big purple explosions, how is that anything other than magic

[Ryong]

He's clearly a psion.

Mind magic is totally not magic.

[synkr0nized]

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Always good to find new allies.


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Magina, Please

[Revising Ocelot]

He's clearly a psion.

Mind magic is totally not magic.


Totally is. When I think things with my brain, absolutely nothing happens apart from a slightly furrowed brow due to eternal bewilderment at what's going on, so anything past that is beyond the limits of a brain and thus magic. Smart people that aren't your so-called "psions" are merely Shitty Wizards. But that's a redundant statement, since all Jedi, Sith, Wizards, and so on are all shitty. It's their inherent nature.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

He's clearly a psion.

Mind magic is totally not magic.

Ahem!

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii87/Hawk_of_Battle/jace2.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/Hawk_of_Battle/media/jace2.jpg.html)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii87/Hawk_of_Battle/Jace.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/Hawk_of_Battle/media/Jace.jpg.html)

You were saying?

[Locke cole]

One can be an anti-mage while still being a mage himself. If there's magic that shuts down other magic, you can specialize in that.

[Flarecobra]

Isn't that the basis behind counterspelling?

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Isn't that the basis behind counterspelling?

Yes.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii87/Hawk_of_Battle/cs.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/Hawk_of_Battle/media/cs.jpg.html)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii87/Hawk_of_Battle/cs2.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/Hawk_of_Battle/media/cs2.jpg.html)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii87/Hawk_of_Battle/cs3.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/Hawk_of_Battle/media/cs3.jpg.html)

Very much so.

[Flarecobra]

Ironically, I was not talking "Magic the Gathering" at all too. :P (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0166.html)

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Alas however, I shall never know what you were talking about, it is 403 forbidden knowledge.

[Flarecobra]

Try now.

[RobinStarwing]

SuvtaHvIS ben law' batlhmey wo'!

[Flarecobra]

...What?

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Posting klingon in a star wars thread because one of the words means empire. QUIRKY AND RELEVANT

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[RobinStarwing]

Posting klingon in a star wars thread because one of the words means empire. QUIRKY AND RELEVANT

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If NPF had the ability, it would of been in actual Klingon Text Characters as well.

Edit: Seriously, why do we not have Text support for Klingon as a Font?

[Locke cole]

Star Wars? This is clearly the Magic thread.

[Flarecobra]

Funny thing about that. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Magic)