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Holy shit Earl man, what were you thinking!
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... :| So apparently Snake wasn't the SK. My bad, brosef?
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Whoever is the SK, clearly cared more about making me look like an idiot then strategy, just throwing that out there.
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Vote: Nikose
How ever I believe we need to look at the people who were keen to vote Fawful off, from what i've seen of past games inactives don't tend to be mafia. |
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I suppose I should probably roleclaim now, huh?
ROLECLAIM: CARROT TOP - Nosey Neighbor. See, I was told that I was the PO role. I targetted Smarty Night 0, and Snake night 1. I got "Cult" for Smarty, and I got "Serial Killer" for Snake. :/ Clearly I'm a broken PO, or a random misrole, so I'm pretty much useless here. Also IHMN turned up Town so uh, take that with a grain of salt? If I'm a wrong-PO, then he's bad and his roleclaim was bull. If It's right then, well, another confirmed town? I don't expect this to save me at all, mind you. I just figured I'd divulge all my information before I die, and sorry I wasn't more use. :/ |
I told you Aldurin. I told you so hard. Seriously, the mob probably left you alive on the off chance you recklessly kill someone again.
Do we have any way of knowing what there roles were? We learned Applejacks, but not these two. We need to know what we're missing. ALso, anyone refuting Nik's roleclaim? Seems weird though. Is a broken PO a common thing? |
I think Zecora is the doctor, based on the show. So i think we are pretty much fucked.
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What? We didn't start the game with any other Night actions or kills,so I very much you could have done a Night 0 investigation. And we'd already established Smarty as Cult. You're I already suspected you earlier of being a Jester due to your various |
For reference, a Jester would be very much anti-town, but not Mafia aligned. If they get lynched, they win. And you've been acting deliberately weird all the time.
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Despite my rather great dislike of the mistake aldurin made with him being confirmed town I can't afford to over look the increased chances that exist to hit mafia.
Putting myself Aldurin and Karesh together gives us 3 of 15 players as a cohesive voting block. Which is a fairly statiscally relevant 20% of which aren't mafia. now I'm presuming there are a total of five mafia and one SK. This leads to 6 out of 15 being Scum. meaning any one my self or karesh votes for has a 50/50 chance of being scum assuming we were to pick randomly. |
I also Agree with Ro's assessment I don't believe there were Night 0 actions and I'm not suggesting we vote randomly. For christ sake this round we MUST MUST MUST MUST MUST NOT FAST LYNCH. If we fast lynch this time I'm quiting this bloody game because your all playing it WRONG.
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Yeah, Aldurin? Don't DERPITY DERP out on us and override lynch Nikose. That'd be a bad idea. Leave it to the Vig.
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Act as you will- I'm heading home from campus and I don't know when I'll have net next- I'm working the election all day Thursday and definitely won't be online. |
Fuck Fenris for giving me arguably the most powerful role.
Hey, now we know that Gem isn't scum. Relying on the doctor is a bad tactic, good thing I got rid of him. That was the worst thing that could possibly happen, and I regret it. I may have lost the game for the town right there and then. I lied about the having 2 overrides, I only have one. The idea I had would be to make myself the main target for the scum and then the . . . bodyguard . . . would . . . *starts weeping*. |
Aldurin you are a danger to the team.
So if not Nikose, then who is most suspicious? Whose worthy of the lynch? We know for a fact that Earl is town, and we have some samll confirmation in regard to Sif/Karesh. If Sif or Karesh turn out to be scum, then we get a 2 for 1 package, and vice verse. |
Yeah, also assuming we have no actual working Doctor, there's no point for Nikose to roleclaim when he knows he had faulty info. He says he's already assumed he'd be dead either by town lynch or mafia when:
A) No actual voting train started on him yet. B) If he was a faulty PO then the Mafia/SK would know not to target him but to go for other people who may have other, non-faulty roles. Stays anonymous, he's still in the firing line and thus 'saves' a proper role if he gets targeted. |
At this point I don't know what to do, had aldurin waited until people explained what they were thinking and doing previous game day we could have learned a lot more. I'm not going to belabor the point any further though we need to work together and fucking EVERY one needs to explain their reasoning behind doing shit from now on.
I'm still for voting Nikose because I don't believe him and on the off chance that he is telling the truth about his role it may tell us more about whether IHMN is trust worthy. I don't like the idea of killing a potential towny for that but the stuff nikose was saying about Snake was based on alot of half truths and the one thing townies should never ever do is lie. Lieing as a townie only ever hurts town unless your hiding your own power role. I'm going to go back over the thread and check who was voting for fawful copter though, I've a suspicion that most of the people keen to kill fawful will be mafia. |
Ok from what i can see only Smarty voted for Fawful.
How ever Hawk showed a fair amount of interest in him earlier in the thread and wanted to push people towards him. So my list of suspicions are Nikose (Lied about stuff snake said) Hawk (interested in Fawfulcopter) Bard (Posted about Fawful as well *tenous link*) |
Of note, Rainbow Dash killed Fawful, and Rainbow Dash is the vig. The person who took down Fawful was Town, not Mafia. Either the Mafia lost interest, or ir was just fkavor text? I dunno.
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Yes the vigilante killed Fawful, This is true but targeting inactives is a typically Mafia action for day attempts because Hey if they get it wrong Whoops we killed an inactive no worries guys. So they people pushing for it during day usually have mafia links
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Mafia typically don't hide in activity because it paints a large target on them for potential power roles to look into them, Also Inactives tend to be town power roles hiding away. I know when I was town doctor in homestuck I posted very little because I didn't want to risk having attention put on me, here I have no such problem because i'm basically a nilla townie.
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Is there a way to increase the posts per page beyond 40? I'm finding it increasingly hard to search through the thread for valid information especially when most of the activity in the thread happens around midnight or later.
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Also guys another thing to consider when/if we lynch Nikose and if he pops as Mafia the fact he labeled Ihmn as town doesn't mean he isn't. If I was mafia and blagging a PO role i'd certainly claim that a townie was a townie in an attempt to push suspicion onto him for the next day as a way to play the long game.
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It suddenly occured to me, while I congratulating myself for being an astute observer and calling Nikose's role yesterday (or, calling what Nikose thought was his role at least), that I could have inadvertently given him the inspiration for a bogus role claim. Blarg, wish I'd never mentioned it. Would have made believing his claim today a lot easier for me. |
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It's one of the reasons townies need to be very very tight lipped about roles they think people have. For one thing if you are right it might draw mafia onto them.
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IHMN, If he is Mafia then everything he said is bullshit and has to be ignored for the most part. If he is town then it leads some credence to you being town. There are roles that have chances of giving false information from mafia wikis i've read. basically If he is town chances of you being town are higher if he is mafia then it doesn't say alot about whether you are or aren't.
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IHMN Could you try to explain with gifs your reasoning for voting Ryanderman?
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Well, that was a headdesk moment right there. Aldurin, please don't do that. Ever again.
It's like quarter to 1 at night here right now so I'll try to catch up tomorrow sometime but for now it's interesting to note at least that the mafia didn't make a kill last night, only the sk and the vig. So either they were blocked by someone or they just never got their votes in. So it could have been worse. Not much mind, but still. |
ugh this is sooo much to read. VOTE:NIKOSE
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H.O.S: Verifiedz, Nikose, Hawk.
Hawk has had an odd amount of consistency with popping in an out. Staying long enough to be active, but not as much as the rest. Although, he may very well be busy, so his is a lighter case. All reasons for Nikose have pretty much been laid out, but there is still the lingering possibility that he is Town and telling the truth, or that he wants to get lynched. Might just want to the Vig to get him to dodge the possibility of a lynch trap. If he is lying though, then does that mean IHMN loses validity to his roleclaim? (Probably not) Verifiedz is I dunno. He might just not get the game, but that is sorta dangerous to I guess? Look what we got with Earl, a dead body guard. We really can't afford to waste a lynch though since are Doctor and Bodyguard are dead. |
Of note about IHMN, I doubt he is bs'ing us, but his roleclaim and the posting of Gifs over actual text alllows him to get away without really having to explain much, and thus no one in particular is inclined to go after him.
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Okay guys we SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER EVER Rely on the Vig to kill a person in games where the night text doesn't tell you the alignment of the person who died. It's entirely possible that Nikose could be mafia and still be using that characters name and with a vig killing him we wouldn't learn his alignment if we truly believe some one to be mafia we have to vote lynch him otherwise we learn sod all. Like if we have two targets and the vig is sure then the vig going for a second one is fine. Also the 'jester' usually leads to a town draw if he is lynched rather than the jester winning out right and so we can ignore that possibility because it doesn't really have any effect on the later game.
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I voted him because he was active during the nighttime, but hadn't posted at all in the thread, and also because I had assumed Fenris had made inactive replacements, but he said that he hadn't. Also, Aldurin, stop being so gung ho about who you think is scum. Last game you did it to me, and killed the bulletproof, this game you killed the doctor. D:< Additional bluh bluhs. In general actually, I encourage everyone to keep an open mind and be willing to change what you think about people, either scum or town, if given reason not to vote someone. I mean, make sure it's a GOOD reason, but I'm just thinking back to last game, where there were like 50 reasons not to lynch me, and Aldurin just kept going, "NOPE, NOT LISTENING, YOU'RE SCUM SCUMMY SCUM SCUM YOU SHOULD STOP ARGUING." |
Well maybe it is that i dont get the game, but its gonna take like a half hour to read all that stuff. I dont have the patience.i read a bit but otherwise nothing.
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Also, I think the mafia were the nightmarish mare that visited Zacora, then got chased away.
Zacora seems like she was a bulletproof role, but then got killed off because of a second attack, which is exactly how my bulletproof role worked last game. It even implied that she wouldn't have been killed by the SK, had she not been so distracted, since she would have been able to will herself back from stone. I don't know how likely it is that we have two bulletproofs, but having one who has unlimited immunity to everything, and one who has only a single kill block doesn't seem right. I'm really suspicious of Karesh right now. |
Aldurin flat knew I was Scum last game but didn't lynch me, so there's a bit of a bad track record there. We should all apply logic to this, and not just go off a hunch, or else we get more moon'd ponies.
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If you vote lynch Karesh I will kill you IRL, just so you know. Any one who suggest vote lynching Karesh with out lynching me first is a complete and utter retarded moronic fool and I will hold no punches with calling people that. Kill me first at the very god damn least before you lynch the person who is immune to bloody mafia night actions.
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Also we don't know for sure that our doctor died it's only a presumption a good one prehaps but a presumption none the less.
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I don't see any real reason for Zecora to be bulletproof. If we are to assume the parties involved were Nightmare Moon and the Cockatrice, then it seems that they both targeted Zecora and off'd her. No bulletproof, just a coincidental twokill.
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Yep. Snake was pretty much being the most prominent one here, both sides would have ants in their pants about him.
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In fact, either you or Karesh, or both, are flashing suspiciously to me. Especially how you're all gung ho to kill a townie now, to prove whether or not another townie may possibly be maybe innocent or maybe scum, but when you were trying to come up with a plan that would prove whether or not you/Karesh were scum, the only plan you wanted to call acceptable was the one where to pin either of you, our PO would have to step forward and kill himself. You were even given the option of the plan where our PO has the chance to save you or not to save you, but when you got lynched it would tell us for sure either way, but you kept refusing that one. I'm gonna toss my vote that way, until proven otherwise.
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How exactly am I gung ho to kill a townie?
My Plan was predicated on the PO not revealing him self. IF i was telling the truth. Basically your misrepresenting what i've said in the past given nikose did that with snake. I'm going to call you out as mafia. Keeping vote on Nikose as I think both Nikose and RPGdemon are mafia. |
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The only bonus's we have now are that you're more or less confirmed towny. A dumb towny but hey whatever. With no cult about that's a good thing. Permanent verification is a VERY good thing. When it comes down to the wire having this list of people that are confirmed might be very important. At the same time there's always the possibility that they'll kill you off, but as you've said you don't have a power anymore and the power you do have wouldn't really work as anything but a time saver anyway. |
Also your running a double standard on logic Claiming that I'm voting to kill a townie to prove the other guy is a townie when your doing exactly the same thing with me and karesh. The difference being that Nikose has been SHOWN to be lieing explicitly and intentionaly.
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FOS:Rpgdemon Double standard on how he is applying his toughts.
FOS:Nikose Lying his ass off in previous posts *voted for* Edit: also enough with shitting on Aldurin, the point has been made either he will learn from it or not. The important thing is that we actually try to push people on their mistakes instead of going HERP DERP YOU X PERSON I FIND YOU NEBULOUSLY SUSPICIOUS FOR YOU USING REASONING WHICH I WILL NOW APPLY TO YOU WITH MY OWN VOTE CHOICE |
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Well Sif was pretty much willing to kill himself earlier, but he now has a problem with it? It does strike me as someone being afraid to go with it when push comes to shove. Maybe the earlier suicide claim was a bluff? Its admittedly an unlikely bluff, but the recent dissent is sorta weird.
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Also I DONT WANT TO KILL NIKOSE TO PROVE THAT HE AND IHMN IS TOWNIE. I WANT TO LYNCH HIM BECAUSE HE LIED ABOUT SHIT TO DO WITH SNAKE REPEATEDLY, Like fuck how are you turning this into a thing about me trying to prove he is town.
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That's pretty much the whole fucking point of the PO. He can't sit idle forever, nor can he abandon his life to the first mafiate he finds. A list must be composed through his searches and the validity of that list then tested. If he moves too quickly, the results are likely to be too little to help. Too late and the chances for his death or the scum victory being inevitable become present. |
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He was adamant against the plan that could only flag a false mafiate, and demanded that we do the plan that could flag him as a false town, if the PO didn't investigate him, or died, or didn't come out immediately and say that he was scum. Then he went, "But seriously, now you can kill me guys! It'll prove I'm innocent!". And now he's doing... This? Whatever this is. I've honestly got no idea, and being involved in the whole This, I can't really give an opinion on it that's worth anything. I mean, I think he's being silly and suspicious. |
We are now in day 3 if I had been lynched day fucking one it would have been one thing but Lynching me on day 3 will fuck the town over hugely.
You aren't seeing that the day the thing happens makes a huge deal. If i'm lynched now mafia kill another one in the night and so to does the sk presumably and the Vig. We go from 15 to 11, That means the mafia can win THE NEXT GAME DAY |
Vote: Nikose because that seems to be the general direction and recent developments point toward him more.
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Either people sack up and trust me and Karesh. Karesh who role claimed fucking day one at that or it's game for town, I don't presume to know for sure who mafia to be fucking honest I have almost no clue. the thing is game IS almost over. At some point the town needs to start trusting some one or we lose well guess what that point is fucking now
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40% of the remaining players are scum (that includes SK).
We will lose 4 players including today and tonight (game day and night) unless the sk and the mafia kill the same person this night. That makes mafia population 45% of the vote. and the Townies 45% of the vote with the SK controling the final 10% |
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You know what with how much you are lying about what i'm supposedly typing just like nikose did with snake If your not scum well.... Edit: TO fucking clarify I specifically said if he is town WE DO get information, IF HE ISN'T WE DONT BUT HE LIED HIS ASS OFF, So killing him is fucking logical. |
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Sifright is right that we're at a really high distribution of town and scum. You can't trust anyone (Except, funnily, yourself. And I mean that as in we can trust you since we know you're town by your action). Remember last game, being steered to vote for one person by the general direction was the entirety of the scum piling on that person. |
I'd say lets just all vote for who ever aldurin votes for because at least we know he won't intentionally vote for townies, but does any one trust him to make the correct decision?
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Seriously though it beggars belief that you are doing to me exactly the same shit nikose did to snake.
Edit: Also whilst arguments to emotion are some what foolish in that they don't bring anything to the table every one needs to be aware of the urgency and the importance of this game day. It's seriously a big deal if we as town fuck up today the game is unwinnable. |
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