This Just in, Fenris is dropping from the Game!!!!

However, he has a replacement, which shall now be EckScizor.

Okay I think I'll drop my incredibly ostentatious and obnoxious posting color for Mafia games, if it's all the same to you gents. It's my first time, be gentle.

Going to reread the thread before I start tossing out votes or FoS anyone, so feel free to sling around acusations until then.

Having reread the thread and taken notes (yes with an actual notebook and everything) I have several people I find suspicious.

Karesh, you claimed Miller on Day 1 and you aren't dead yet. That in and of itself isn't all that suspicious. Unless the PO would like to role claim and start revealing his findings (which I'm not asking for, I'd like whoever it is to remain anonymous until absolutely necessary) the only way we find out whether you're scum or not is to lynch you.

Here's why I think we should:
That sounds retardedly suspicious to me. Being Town myself, if my death in any way served the Town I would seriously not be all that concerned about my survival. Either you're PO like you keep hinting at, you're scum hiding behind your Miller claim so the real PO won't investigate you, or you're SK... seeing as you're so concerned about your "individual" survival.

Also how the FUCK did you know it was GREED who forced Day 1 to an early close? It may have been someone else... Color me stupid as this is my first game and I may have missed a clue somewhere but GODDAMN you reek of scum.

Vote: Karesh
Also, FoS: Lawful, Moogle, and Bookie, the former two for really low activity (might you be hiding and biding your time, mafiates?) and the latter for same and also knowing somehow that greed was the one who ended Day 1 early (again, feel free to enlighten me as to how this is obvious to everyone).

There's my first action, let's see some discussion.

NOTE HARDER.

Derp, just reread thread the fifth time and caught it. I haven't been paying super close attention to IC's posts because it's been inferred he might be lying in them, and I completely ignored everything about the dead players except whether they were town or not (though Ryan's death tells me absofuckinglutely nothing because loldeathmiller).

Fakevote: Bookie for being a douche and hiding in the background like so much scum.

Also remember I'm still kinda new at this, not one hundred percent up to speed on what powers go with what roles yet.

Now everyone bandwagon vote to lynch me for being a massive tool.

Another post because thoughts and ideas
 

Something else is going on here and I'm not liking it.

Why would one Death Miller claim to turn up Mafian Thug and one claim to turn up the Don? That in and of itself is suspicious because, as others have already said, it is the perfect way to mask your actual affiliation upon death and confuses the number of actual mafiates killed.

Ryan was killed at night. This means that a) he was telling the truth about being town and was killed by the mafia, b) he was murdered by the SK (who doesn't give a shit what his alignment is), or c) the Vigiliante got him, in which case we STILL don't know his alignment as the vig doesn't get to learn his target's role beforehand (right? I'm not fucking up again here am I?). So we don't know if Ryan's claim was legit or not and thus I am still suspicious of both currently living Miller players.

At the moment both Karesh and Hawk make more sense to lynch than anyone else in the game at the moment. Because four of you are hiding out in the background and not posting I have no leads other than assuming you're scum just because of inactivity, hence my FoS. Karesh could be mafiate trying to hide from an investigation, and the only way to find out if his claim is legit or not is to lynch him. Hawk could be the Mafian Don hoping we'll take the apparent lack of info from a lynch on him as a reluctance to vote him, so he gets to stay in business offing the rest of us in our sleep.

Lynching either one of you will have concrete results, though, I'm certain of it. Karesh will come up Town or Mafian; If Hawk's death results in one less kill tonight, we've bagged our Don or at least the SK.

Hawk made a valid point about the Miller claims. But one turned up legit Town.

You were awfully quick to jump on Hawk's logic and deflect suspicion away from the Death Millers and onto the Millers here... You and Hawk seem quite a bit too chummy... and I don't like it.

I'm sticking with my vote for Karesh, but also FoS: Smarty and Hawk because I'm getting scummy vibes from both of you.

Paranoia is fantastic for Mafia, but you're really reaching for the bottom of the barrel if this is what you're going to try and lynch me for. Whether or not you or anyone else wants to admit it there's wanting your team to win first and wanting to survive to see it right up there as the second objective. In a situation like the one you oh so deliciously cherry picked that statement from, where I had two options, neither of which I could actually prove or suspect was mafia, where one is trying to kill me and the other isn't? Are you genuinely suggesting that my choice should have been to not warn Bahamut that if it came down to it I would lynch him to save myself?
If I had actually done it maybe you'd have a point but from my perspective you're taking a statement where I menacingly waved my arms at a guy and went "wooo I'm gonna get'cha if you don't stop trying to kill me" and turning it into an accusation.

Truth be told I was presented with a logic problem. The odds of myself being town were 100%. Absolutely confirmed from my perspective. Lynching me is a 100% town lynch. Bahamut I wasn't sure about, even if I wasn't happy about it there's always the chance he's scum at the least.


It's already been pointed out how I would have known if I did know but to my knowledge I never claimed to know who ended day one. Correct me if I'm wrong on that but I don't see it.

What I did say, correlating with a statement about Greed's supposed guilt the day before, was that I believed he was Town.
As it turned out once he was dead his name popped up in yellow, so I was right about Greed, but wrong about the other thing.

Also, if adopted your logic sort of turns Town Aligned Miller into an inevitable, inescapable death for that person. If you keep your role hidden then the moment a PO investigates you, you're fucked because he will think you're a mafiate. The moment you reveal it the town will lynch you because you're potentially a mafiate, even though there's no more reason to believe you're a mafiate than any other roleclaim.

What, precisely, would you have had me do otherwise in that circumstance?

I do happen to see Miller roles as a "you're fucked if you do, you're fucked if you don't" situation Karesh. Really the fact that there are Death Millers in this game has me extra suspicious because either one looks bad regardless of perspective. I'm on the fence here, I don't know whether to go with you, who will be 100% confirmed upon death, or Hawk, who none of us can confirm unless the PO roleclaims and divulges his findings.

Or go with a random lynch of any of the inactives. Or Smarty who's still suspicious.

Unvote: Karesh

But I'm still going to keep a FoS: Karesh up, because you are still potentially scum and I don't want to rule you out until I get more information. To be perfectly fair here I'm trying to drum up discussion but everyone seems to have forgotten this exists or they're laughing their asses off watching me make a fool of myself.