People die in your country because they're homeless on the streets, not because the weather dips below zero.

What I find funny is, if George W. Bush had implemented a Cap and Trade system while he was in office, people would be pointing to the recent lapse in hurricanes and tornadoes as proof of it working.

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It's rarelyseen because it is horribly wrong. You can argue about where people live all you want but nobody will have any food because global warming will wipe out our food sources (both temperaturewise and remaining arableland wise). Your winters will be warmer but you'll be dead or eating each other.
Also we're talking millions to billions of deaths over time. Do this many people die in your country every winter?

Holy fucking God, IQ. You're hurting my brain.

First off, the IPCC says that we're pretty much responsible for warming:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_...yr/en/spm.html



Second off, global warming is bad. Why? Because it's fucking with the established system that everything on the planet's relied on for the past zillion years, that's why. A rise in temperature means things like bird populations being unable to hatch young as fast as the bug populations to keep them in check, or plant zones heading toward the poles into places they've never been able to grow before and don't belong in, or impacts on global weather patterns that can cause droughts, flooding, storms, and all sorts of other shit.

It's not a matter of "oh, everyone will be warmer." That might actually be nice. No, it's a matter of "it's fucking with the entire global system in ways we don't even have the capacity to fully understand." That's patently less nice.



Third, FUCK YES we need to do something about it, and time is quickly running out. Methane stores are being released and because methane is an even worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, it could quickly start a death spiral that we can't even stop.


The only species on Earth NOT totally directly boned by global warming are humans and anything that we care enough to put effort into saving, like cattle. That's nothing in comparison to the rest of the world's species.

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Just...holy shit IQ.

I'm now pretty sure IQ is trolling.

Calm down, blues. A zillion is not even a real number. The Earth's ecosystem is a billion years old at most. And more to the point, this system is very stable, and has shown itself able to adapt to changes much more drastic than anything we could hypothetically effect without nuclear weapons. I'm thinking the fear of climate change is really fear of change.

As to IPCC, it seems they don't have any picture of how the climate has shifted any further back than 700 AD: That's not very conclusive.

But I suppose it would be prudent to expect worst, as much as it offends my optimistic sensibilities. Let's do something, if we can. Though I'm going to miss the warm winters of my youth.

yeah see the thing is that while the ecosystem is perfectly capable of adapting and surviving, its liable to adapt and survive in ways that leave humans unable to survive.

When that change can be shown to be universally bad then that is a proper fear. The high profile deniers don't even argue that warming would be catastrophically bad= they argue that we are not warming.
How has the Earth's ecosystem shown itself to adapt? I know of nothing where we can make this claim. When has it been catastrophically affected then reformed itself? Giant volcanoes and spacemeteors and things are nowhere near the scale of human activity.

Our climate records go back millions of years- it's not all about temperature.

Fuck it, IQ is defineatly trolling now.