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Seil 05-26-2010 03:24 PM

Hooked on Phonics, worked for me!

Why do we use silent letters to change the sounjd of a word instead of just spelling a word phonetically? Like changing "Through" to "thru" or something. But that would mess up "threw" and aiojmfiosnmgkl. I give up.

Bells 05-26-2010 03:26 PM

You guys know how freakin hard was for me to learn your language with just pokemon and videogames?...

Here i am, being told that "Th" in english has a somewhat muted F sound (how the hell do you have a Somewhat Muted anything?) like in Theater and Thanks! And here i am going "But "That" "This" "those" and many other words have no Muted F at all....".

All i can say is that English class in School was never good (3 years learning "To Be"?) So thank heavens for Poke Rap and Square Enix. )

Seil 05-26-2010 03:32 PM

That is a point - how many people on NPF do not have English as their first language, and how hard was it to learn?

bluestarultor 05-26-2010 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Seil (Post 1044366)
Hooked on Phonics, worked for me!

Why do we use silent letters to change the sounjd of a word instead of just spelling a word phonetically? Like changing "Through" to "thru" or something. But that would mess up "threw" and aiojmfiosnmgkl. I give up.

Well, at least on the "gh" thing, it's probably all a corruption of a rough aspiration, better known as that sound that kinda sounds like you're hawking up a lugie.

A Zarkin' Frood 05-26-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bells (Post 1044369)
You guys know how freakin hard was for me to learn your language with just pokemon and videogames?...

Here i am, being told that "Th" in english has a somewhat muted F sound (how the hell do you have a Somewhat Muted anything?) like in Theater and Thanks! And here i am going "But "That" "This" "those" and many other words have no Muted F at all....".

All i can say is that English class in School was never good (3 years learning "To Be"?) So thank heavens for Poke Rap and Square Enix. )

By muted F they mean more something like a lisp. No one ever taught it to me like that. They should though. My teachers always went like "Uh... put your tongue there like that and then uh... blow??? NO NOT LIKE THAT! You're doing it wrong.
I never let anyone in on my secret.

Anyway, the stuff in the opening post is by no means exclusive to English.
I'm sort of interested in linguistics, but it's been way too long since I read anything on that subject. All I know is that english belongs to the tribe of germanic languages. Which is probably where the "gh"s come from. Which are "ch"s in German and they do make sense there.

But then English is influenced by probably everything else more than any other language.

Meister 05-26-2010 03:49 PM

th is a dental fricative and that is the only proper way to describe it you savages :crossarms:

Seriously though, once you learn basic phonetics and know about points of articulation and all that, learning and teaching pronunciation become about 1000 times easier. In no small part because you don't have to bother with vague instructions like "place your tongue here and blow" and can instead say "dental fricative" and that's as precise as it gets. They really should teach that in school.

CelesJessa 05-26-2010 03:53 PM

this might all be wrong.
 
According to my word origins classes, the guy who standardized the printing press can be thanked for a lot of the crazy spellings.

See, things used to be spelled a lot more phonetically, because there wasn't really a standardized way to spell anything, so everyone just spelled everything however it sounded right to them.

Then the guy who standardized the press decided to spell things based on how he sounded things out, while everyone else was pronouncing it differently or something.

I wasn't really listening in class though, as you can probably tell from my notes.

I did listen in my linguistics class, but that was Japanese linguistics.

POS Industries 05-26-2010 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bells (Post 1044369)
Here i am, being told that "Th" in english has a somewhat muted F sound (how the hell do you have a Somewhat Muted anything?)

Our language is based entirely in guitar chords.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk 05-26-2010 03:57 PM

If you think english is bad, then for gods sake stay away from welsh!!

Seriously how the hell do double Ds make an "ef" sound?

Meister 05-26-2010 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Seil (Post 1044375)
That is a point - how many people on NPF do not have English as their first language, and how hard was it to learn?

I honestly don't even remember, but I do know I never had as much difficulty with learning it as other people my age seemed to have, whether at school or university. So I'm gonna have to say "not very."

I also recall that at some point during school years me and my circle of friends really got into regular movie nights, and a lot of the movies we watched would be in English, and at some point I also started making an active effort to get my movies and books in English, first to see if I could handle it and pretty soon because I realized the originals were just plain better, and I think that has/had a lot to do with it as well.


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