Ok so who is inactive so far? IF you guys are saying killing an inactive is better as they aren't contributing?

ITT: Everyone has their own ideas of what is a good opening gambit all around, and Smarty is probably the cult leader.

Edit: Inactives need to be proven inactive, and not just lurking for the sake of screwin' with people. Power roles tend to be lurkers or heavy posters as opposed to absentees. "Vanilla Town" isn't a label that people care too much about.

I don't see why we should differentiate between inactives and lurkers. If you are lurking that doesn't help town much, town needs people to talk and vote duringthe day because that is the major problem. I have no problem voting lurkers at all.
Also if we start voting lurkers, the other lurkers wills tart talking, that is pretty much the end goal here.
If we're voting inactives and you want a definite inactive (if you have problems voting lurkers) I would stick by Fawfulcopter- never made a post, hasn't played past games so we can't judge his inactive behaviour against that and doesn't post anywhere else in the forums so we can't say whats up. That'spretty inactive to me.

How do you figure?

Sure, call him the cult leader because he's a communist.

Way to be a nice person, Nikose.

Oh ok, I misunderstand your poit Snake. I think you are massively underestimating the rationale of the random vote (or I'm massively overestimating it- but it's hitscum in about half the games I've played).

Also communists hate cults! They all about scientific enlightenment.

Alduin was culted night 0.

RPG is serial Killer.

Snake is probably going to die by mafia kill night one.

Bob the merc is Cult leader.

It was Nikose in the billiards room with the revolver.

Don't you mean a colt?

Anyways, I actually think a random vote is more likely to hit a townie than scum, but it might be able to get things going? Who do you propose we random vote in this case?

Well mathematically yes we will hit a townie more than a scum. But the advantage I liked to random voting was crazy accusations that flew against pretty much everyone in Day 1 often got somebody to slip up and reveal their status in response to accusations. But now that we have sat down and discussed it that is unikely to happen and if we just choose someone and random vote them off I agree it is probably more likely to hit townie.
But it does have the advantage of pushing the game along (do we have a deadline at the mo?) and preventing people losing interest so I'm sticking with my FawlCopter stance or whatever his name is.

I'm just gona stick with voting for rpgdemon for now for coming up with that dangerous and pointless plan to expose everyones roles, because to me that either makes him a dangerous fool or a really obvious scum, either of which we could do without. Unless he can give me a compelling reason to change my mind that is, in which case I could be swayed to change to a random inactive, because let's face it, inactives are either scum trying to fly under the radar, or they're people who just don't care about the game and have dropped out, again, both of which we could do without.

Voting inactives out does make sense though, the more we prune the easier it is to see who's still playing and the easier it will be to work out individual agendas.

To be honest, I was mostly joking when I picked Snake. This much activity from him isn't suspicious as such, I think, it's just snake being snake. I can totally see him getting annoyed over people playing the game wrong, and this isn't even excessively wordy for him. I don't think he's trying to defend smarty at all, he's just being pedantic. In a good way. Sorta. Uhm. If he and smarty are both scum, then it'd make sense to assume that he's doing it to defend the dude, but I don't think the odds of that are great. Smarty? Might be, we dunno. But snake's right, it wouldn't make sense for scum to talk this much. I'm no expert, but, again, unless smarty is scum as well, Scum-snake wouldn't have any motivation to yell at us. As such, unvoting snake for the time being.

Not sure who to vote for. I'm thinking RPGdemon is just being a bit noob-ish, and this post by bookie is making me suspicious. He seemed awfully eager to encourage smarty-lynching.

UNVOTE: Snake

I'll be loathe on RPG, it's only his second game.Heprobably just noobish.

Also:
Cool story bro.

(To add actual substance, this is my first online mafia game, and, like, my third overall so don't expect too much from me, folks)

Nope.

Fools are important!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6of3kMxV6z4

More on topic:

Re: Nikose: What is night 0? Does night 0 exist, as a pregame thing?

As for me being the serial killer, heck, I'd believe it. Last game, the only accusation made by directly saying, "You are X" was Fenris near the end, and everyone was all, "IF YOU'RE WRONG, WE KILL YOU." (Unfortunately, the lynch meant that no one could kill him next round, since mafia won). Since that's the case, I dunno if you'd just make that up.

Do you know when you're the serial killer, or is it just a townie for whom people passively die at random each night until they're killed, without their knowledge? Since that would change whether or not I vote for myself to keep the town from getting double-killed each night.


Re: Fenris: Why you hate fun?

'Cause puns are only good if they make sense.

Vote: Nikose

Because I <3 you.

...No, actually because predicting potential Mafia night kills without the context of power role knowledge is, believe it or not, a tried and true Scum strategy.
...Town, generally speaking, is far more worried about who to lynch than worrying about who may (or may not) die N1. Predicting the activity of what Scum will do, particularly on D1, is an absolute exercise of futility for Town.

Scum, however, benefits by making a prediction that someone will die N1 and then not killing that person N1. If townies eventually collectively buy into a repeated notion that "Snake (or anyone else), if he is Town, will die tonight because X," scum will easily yet subtly guide Town into a mislynch. If Nik is scum his entire ploy would therefore be: "I'll establish I believe that Snake is almost certainly Town now, then express abject disbelief as he continues to survive (all the while knowing he's alive because we're not targeting him), paint a bullseye on his back and let others deal the deathblows."

Also, the problem with Nik's posts is that his lack of elaboration prevents any of us from knowing whether he's actually being serious in anything he types or joking. Which, again, is a vagueness strategy that benefits Scum. Nik could totally play off any comment he makes as "Nik being Nik." I'd rather not spend the whole game questioning the sincerity of every one-sentence statement he makes.

NOTE: Even in typing this I am aware of the likelihood that I am overestimating the crap out of Nikose, and out of everyone playing this game. Assuming Nikose of all people would be playing intelligently and making such gambits as scum is kind of like assuming that a monkey could write a Shakespearean play. (Which, if you're Smarty, is apparently quite easy to believe.)
Nonetheless, I'm sticking by my guns and also suggesting to you all that I think Town Nik would be much more talkative than this; I think there's a greater probability Scum Nik would feel a sense of responsibility towards his teammates and subsequently tone down his usually chatty behavior to benefit his team.

As Town 'Nilla, Nik would totally like be "I AM CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE YOU PUNKS," and he'd create some controversy. I know you Nik! You would!

Yes, there's a Night 0 in some Mafia games, but it didn't happen in this game. If it had, Fenris would have posted something like "Night 0 over" in the first post, and there would be several dead people lying around.

Nikose's post is such a blatantly obvious lie that I have no idea what he's going for.

He could be a lynch-blocker of some sort for the scum, trying to get us to waste a lynch on him.

He could be a Jester trying to win. I had that role, once, and I did something similar.

He could just be stupid.

Not enough data, unfortunately.

At any rate, Unvote: Smarty McBarrelpants.

Bookworm, outta curiosity.
Why unvote smarty all of a sudden?

So... interesting discussion so far.

Are we still considering random-voting somebody? I haven't seen much in the way of "I think we should vote to lynch X," except for Snake suggesting Nikose as the target. There was only one response to that point so far, so I don't know.

On rpgdemon: Yeah, I bet he's just being curious. On the other hand, he could be using that to his advantage - playing the ignorance card to suggest a full roleclaim, which would make sense if he were scum.

On Nikose: Why was only the bolded part focused on? Are you being defensive, Snake? What about the "Aldurin was culted" or "Bob's the Cult leader" parts? I kind of saw the whole post as "Eh, Nikose is being facetious." I haven't played mafia with him, though, so I wouldn't know his in-game behavior. You claim to know what he'd do in a given situation, however.

I don't know if you are trying to hide something, though, so I'm not going to do anything.

Re: Fenris:

Isn't a colt a horse? A pony is a little horse, so it's like a colt.

A colt is a young male horse.

It is nothing like a cult. It makes sense on basis of sounding similar alone - saying "there is a colt in this game" implies a single young male horse.

Aw, alright.

I thought it was funny, at least.

Then again, I'm sleep deprived from homework and playing catch up on my readings.

Edit: Wait. All of the ponies in the show are female, aren't they? I can see why that wouldn't seem as funny, then.

I was not doing the SRSBIDNESS mafia thing when I voted for him. I might revote for him if I decide he's acting scummy, but I don't think he is right now.

WHen does the night end?

At some point after the day does.

Bluh, I meant the day. When does it end? Has that been decided yet?

Are you just eyeballing it until there's a reasonable bit of activity by way of getting some votes in?

Regardless of how much time's left...

Unvote: Smarty

Nothing's happening there, and it was a joke vote anyway.

Probably Wednesday or Thursday.

Let's say Thursday afternoon.

I'm usually free then.

Then I'd say its best to get a majority rather than wait for the time to run out. I'm inclined to agree with Smarty, despite his being a dirty communist. Fawfulcopter has actually been inactive since the 5th it seems, so if he is on either side, mafiate or town, he's probably just fodder.

Ahahahahahahahahaha


*pauses, deep breath*


Ahahahahahahahaha


Nevermind, whoever is bodyguard just protect the HELL out of snake, he's gotta be the PO or some shit, this is adorable.

Well I'm at college, so if you kill me off can you do that before I get home so I don't get into some dickering argument? I'll be home around 5:30 PM EST. if you let me live till then I suppose I should defend myself normally? :P

[also did your arguement actually sway anyone or is everyone just going 'lolsnake'?]

The logical flaw

In your deceitful planning

revealed to all

Well, yes, but I try not to judge peop-oh you meant in mafia, yeah no.

Probably, yeah.

There's no one named Bob the Merc playing this game.

USSR is not communism. What yo talking about?


Don't be silly. Monkeys have a far better understanding of dynamic character and subtlety than Shakespeare ever did.


Umm Nikose was clearly joke voting.

Mafia 101: if your about to be lynched and have a powerrole that is pro town FFS reveal it so we don't accidently murder an important townie. I made that exact mistake last game mainly because i felt the chances of town winning were 0. I shouldn't have made that mistake though.

Edit: don't reveal your role though unless you will be lynched with out doing so.

I'm not as worried about town lynches as I am the mafia murdering me in my sleep! Consequently what's the etiquette on murdering newbies so soon in the game? Because that would be totally uncool.

Put a red X on your door, you'll be safe

And so, with a hard deadline approaching, the chat fell quiet.

I still don't really suspect Nikose that much, despite his accusation of me. It makes no sense that he'd just make things up to get himself killed (Unless there's some role that I'm unaware of that might benefit from that? Even an immune role in the scum probably would only wanna draw attention to themselves if someone else was getting caught.*), so if someone can clear up how a Serial Killer works/if I'd know if I am one, I'd be down for voting myself to keep us from being killed every night.

*This gives me an idea that perhaps we were going to hit another scum, before Nikose tried to draw attention to himself?


Re: Bookworm: I was incredibly disappointed that your first three lines weren't a haiku. One syllable off, man.

Unvote: Bard the 5th LW

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/a...inkietalks.gif

Vote: Nikose

Woosh woosh wooo bam
This is a perfect reason to vote for Nikose.

Unvote: Bard

Vote:Nikose

Edit: I actually voted for nikose because it's true speculating on killing a person is a very scummy thing to do.

TRAPPED
Unvote: Nikose
Vote: IHateMakingNames

...You fell for the trap AND you didn't even give any independent reasoning for voting Nikose beyond merely falling for the trap, even when you've quoted me ranting and raving about how much I hate people voting and not justifying their votes with reasons! And worst of all you're constantly abusing Pinkie Pie GIFs and everyone knows you can't do that with Snake around, Snake owns the intellectual property of those damn GIFs

EDIT: Dammit Sifright I can't vote for IHMN *and* you

Either Snake has some type Jester role or he is batshit insane.

Smarty
hey smarty

When we talk to you this is what we feel like all the time

Also, I'm gonna follow my hunch and assume that bookie's got scummy ulterior motives.

Vote: Bookworm

... I get the distinct impression Snake is mafia and is trying act like pinkie pie to remove suspicion either that or he's just plain nuts.

HOS: Snake

Or I am playing the game at a level of intimate understanding and utmost intelligence you can not possibly comprehend

I'll spell it out for you.
I made up a bullcrap case against Nikose but clothed it in enough official-sounding smart words so as to attempt to deceive scum into bandwagoning him

Of course scum won't dare give any information when bandwagoning someone they know is Town. So if Nik is Town, odds are strong that at least one of IHMN / Sifright is Scum / Cult. (If Nik actually happens to be scum, which is not impossible, my strategy has also revealed that we now know that Sifright and IHMN are not on his scumteam, assuming that Scumteam doesn't include a genius who's completely seen through my strategy. No scumteam's going to vote a scummate out on a bandwagon when it's not remotely necessary on D1.)

Smarty nearly derailed my efforts with his attempts to point out the flaws in my original argument. Given that, I'm shocked the gambit actually worked. See how much we can learn D1 if we actually play the game?

Also: Pay attention to who unvotes Nik first. Oops! Now they've read this so maybe they won't unvote Nik for fear of what it means.

Like I would be tempted to lynch Snake just so I don'thave to read his insane theories anymore.
But I want to give him another day.
I'm sticking with Fawlcopter.
What is your reasoning for bookie Gem?

Also I'm not insane, I'm special :(

...Or you're tempted to lynch Snake because you're scum and threatened by my ultra-awesome sexy gambits
HOS: Smarty

Ninjaed by Snake- your gambit makes no sense. People wil vote because it's day 1 and they need someone to vote and its basically a straight guess. People are voting Nikose simply to mess with you and your insane gambit because its funny. Or they just simply wanted a name and the reason doesn't matter
Like the people who voted Nikose might be scum but your "gambit" doesn't prove that at all. All it proves is that you are insane.

I was right about something? I was right about something! I even told y'all time and time again not to bandwagon, since it's how the scum won last time!

For me, something about Hawk feels decidedly scummy, but I feel bad voting for him day one since he's new. But at the same time, that's the reason why I feel like he's scummy, since he's all, "Well, I'm town! Towning it up! I just have a reason the scum won't target me now, since it's mean to do so! But town won't vote for me, since I'm town."

It feels like he's setting himself up with an excuse, "Oh, they must not have killed me since I'm new.", and not really defending himself aside from, "I'm town, and thus have nothing to fear from a lynch."

Can I make a request that, before the day ends, when we lynch someone, if it's absolutely clear they're going to be lynched, we ask them to give whatever information they have (Regarding scum/not scum. Not regarding roles), and their top hits? That way, if we accidentally go for an informant, we'll know at least who is probably scum/probably safe.

This is assuming that when someone dies, we find out their role, like in Snake's game. I dunno if that's a constant in Mafia, or just in his.

Also, what the heck is a jester role? Cause chaos, and win?

D1 is normally a crapshoot.
I'm just trying to give the crapshoot better odds of not being a crapshoot.

I mean I don't understand your point. I'm providing additional contextual information that will be useful in future days even if, say, Nik flips scum, or IHMN flips Town, or Sifright flips Town. Merely seeing that Sifright and IHMN were willing to bandwagon Nik means something. My primary goal is to catch scum and determine who may be Town, and that's what I'm doing. Nothing we do in D1 is going to lead us to immediately determine with 100% accuracy who's scum and who's town, but everything we do in D1 can make a seismic difference in future days.

If Nik flips scum, I'll feel much more comfortable believing IHMN and Sifright are Town.
If Nik flips Town, I'll feel reasonably convinced of the likelihood that at least one of IHMN and/or Sifright was scum and trying to push a possible bandwagon.
If IHMN flips Town, I'll feel it's more likely that Sifright's scum, and vice-versa, unless Nik flips Scum.

Or maybe I just want to act so unpredictably loony that Scum feels comfortable leaving me alive N1! WHO KNOWS

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/a...Fluttershy.gif

I'm drinking the crazy Kool-Aid.
Unvote: Fawcopter
Vote: IHMN
I don't agree with your reasoning and think there are problems with it but to be honest I don't have a better plan and nobody else has a better plan.
So I'll jump aboard the Snaketrain...ohhhyeah.
Oh god what am I doing?

Okay this is beginning to lose coherency.

Anyways, Hawk gives me an odd vibe because of his weird pseudo presence, but he might just be new or busy so I dunno. However, Snake flipping right around on his head sorta gives him an odd feel to, like what if he's the Jester (whatever that means) like Smarty accused? Also, IHMN seems just flippant enough to get me suspicious.

HOS: Hawk, Snake, and IHMN

Fawfulcopter, like I said, seems to really just be a buffer for whatever side he is on. If we kill him, and he's townie, we don't lose anything besides an extra number. Like, if he's a power role, then I doubt he would have been much use either. The gamble is whether he is fodder for Town, or Scum. Or Cult, whatever that means in the context here.

Vote: IHMN

Something about the gifs makes me suspicious, not Snake's reasoning.

Jester has multiple possible conditions-
Usually it's there job to get lynched day 1.
Alternatively they can need to change vote every post, need to get the town to novote or need to get a specific player or players lynched onc ertain days.
Personally I think he needs to get lynched day 1. But I'm totally curious that's why I'm following him for now That or he has broke my mind.

What happens if the Jester fails to meet the condition assigned to him?

Ninjaed by snake- I came to that conclusion becuase I'm sensible and not in whatever backwards logic land you live in?

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/a...-Sadpinkie.png

I think this is right Vote count:

Smarty McB 1
Nikose

Snake
Karesh
Ramary
Aldurin

Ramary
Gregness

rpgdemon
Hawk

Nikose
IHMN
Sifright

IHMN
Snake
SMcB
Bard

Bookworm
Geminex

12 to lynch, deadline Thursday afternoon.

IHMN, are you going to keep just posting pictures and gifs? Because if so I'mgoing to pull to lynch you no matter what if simply to stop the ridiculous ponification.

Wow this freaking spiraled out of my ability to keep up to date lickity split.
I see the logic behind Snake's actions but it seems to be a bit too callous of a trap. If IHMN is voted off we'll never see him respond to a quote with just a .gif again.
It won't be the same, even if someone steps up to the plate and starts imitating. There can be only one and for this game it seems to be IHMN.

Also what episode was this one from?
http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/a...inkietalks.gif

Faulty logic. That's the gambler's fallacy. If, let's say, they both have a 50% chance of being scum, the fact that one isn't scum doesn't mean that the other is, nor does it increase the odds that the other is.


I propose that, until Day 1 is over, we don't listen to Snake. Just ignore him. After that, he can do whatever he wants, we can do whatever we want, but if he wants a Day 1 lynch to himself, or someone else, we shouldn't give it to him. (I'm assuming Jester's win means the town loses? Or is it just a separate win?)

Right now, all he's doing is keeping people from voting properly, and keeping things incredibly disorganized, making it impossible to pin anyone down as scum. Really, from all his ravings, voting has gone haywire, and the scum now have a huge haven to hide with, because of all the double mobius reacharounds and Xanatos Gambits flying everywhere.

If he is really trying to be helpful, then he's suffering from a severe case of fancy play syndrome. It's what happens, for example, in Magic (For those that play the game), when you attack your weak guy into a more powerful blocker, with mana available and cards in hand. Against an opponent who plays well, they might be bluffed into not blocking, as they don't want to risk some sort of trick. Against a new player, they'll block every time, since they don't even consider the combat trick, and they'll laugh at you for playing stupidly.

If he's trying to be helpful, Snake is the guy that attempted a bluff, that the new player was too inexperienced to read. Meaning, whatever he's doing, he's being fancy and neat with it, and it's going way over the heads of the town and actually actively hurting it. The scum now has a huge hive to hide in, and Snake will say anyone who votes AT ALL is scum, since "Nope, I accused them! Hah! I can't believe it! You fell for the trap again! Man! Again! Look, I caught every scum with the same trap four times!"

PS: Would someone please tell me what being Serial Killer would mean? It's a lead that we have, and if I'm an unknown/passive scummy role, just take me out for the day, so that Snake definitely won't get his Jestery kill, if that's his angle.

Until further notice, I'mma go ahead and
vote: RPGDemon

Town victory still counts when you're dead?

Unvote: Snake

FTHOO: rpgdemon

Fuck MTG.
Friendship is magic.

...
...You were doing so relatively decently with your logic in criticizing me, like seriously yours was the first criticism of me that actually made me do a double take and say "...Huh..."

...and then you did this.

But "fancy play syndrome" doesn't work unless Snake was playing really simplistic robots who took the most straightforward action to their goal. Like I know I'm a chatbotbut I don't think the rest are.
To be honest I think Snake has to be too smart for that so I'm sure he has some kind of crazy role which is why I'm humouring him- working out whether his role is good or bad for town could be useful and by going along with him we might do that.
But you have a point- if he is a jester of somekind his day 2 actions might calm do so let's just ignore him.
Unvote: IHMN
Vote: Falfcopter
Let's aim for the null!
I totally want to here from Gem his reasons for Bookie but that's mostlybecause I always suspect Bookie of being scum every game so I'm not particularly objective on that front.

Actually Serial Killer is a decidedly not Town role. The mail you received from Fenris would have almost certainly pointed this out to you. Without question, it would have been in the format of

Role: Serial Killer. Alignment: Yourself.
or something to that effect.

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/a...ames/gilda.png

Wait wait wait, RPG voted for himself? And brings up Serial Killer from nowhere?
But if he was Serial Killer he doesn't have town victory.
RPG want to explain yourself?
Why do you want to be voted off. And where the fuck did the SK suggestion come from?
"And it's possible that I'm a passive/scummy role" and then asking what the SK does..
You are reeking of scum and as a SK
HOS: RPGdemonm
Until we get another post from him.
Also if someone wants to checkthrough RPGposts that would be good. I've got to cook me some dinner.

Ah, screw that then.

unvote: RPGDemon

Incidentally, is there any town-aligned role that can cause detriment to the town without that player's knowledge?

It's 5-7-5 man I am deep within the Haiku zone.

I buh wah Jesus fuck Snake

http://img.ponibooru.org/images/f2/f...71ffa79ea92c11

Very good, Mr. Geminex. Very good. You have deciphered my plot. But it is too late to stop me now. Soon the death ray will be activated. First Equestria, then the world.

Uh, Snake, there is a legitimate case against Nikose, since he was pretty clearly lying about something.

The SK is self-aligned meaning that he is trying to kill off both the Mafia and Town to win. They can kill one person a Night.

If you're thinking "Holy shitbricks, that sounds hard" then yeah, I don't think I've ever heard of the SK actually winning a Mafia game.

^Explaining myself.

I was remembering last game, where after a faulty accusation, the town were all, "WE'RE GONNA KILL YOU IF YOU'RE WRONG.". I figured no one would make an accusation that would prove to be wrong on Day 1, and assumed that serial killer was a role you didn't know you had. I made a guess by the name that it meant townies would die until you were stopped.

Only if you pronounce revealed re-veal-ed. I give it two syllables.

It's entirely likely Nikose was joking in that instance.

A serial killer is an individual role, no loyalty to anyone else in the town or any other faction. Every night he/she kills one individual of the Serial Killer's choice.
The serial killer gains victory when he/she is the only one remaining alive.

I also pronounce laboratory with five syllables so yeah, I guess so.