@Oron: Aww, Thanks. ^^ I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm a bit rusty, but I really enjoyed this mafia game. Sorry for what feels like me losing the entire game for the mafia though!

That would have been fine if he didn't beat eveyrone else into posting too. Like it did work out for town but its a very risky strategy.
As long as he acknowledges that and stops berating everyone else I'm fine.

Nikose: You only lost it for the mafia because of my sweet cult hypnosis rays. I took you guys down with me!

Nik was sorta akin to a clown at the eye of a storm in terms of how bizarre he was. Like, I was certain that we'd have to throw him to the dogs eventually, but he continuously managed to throw everyone off kilter. I was scum to but even i was almost convinced by him!

Mind you, even if more activity doesn't necessarily make a town win more likely, it does make for a much more enjoyable game. I mean, we got 1460 posts. We had an incompetent mare, a derping genius and a bunch of other developments, much more dynamic, than we would have had with a slower-paced game. And I think the game was better for it.

Edit: And bard, I totally sniffed you out.

If that's the extent of your criticism, then my response is simply that I'd take the exact same calculated risk every time, because Town needs more information much, much more than Scum or Cult does, given the respective positions and knowledge disparities of Mafia, Cult and Town in the beginning of the game.

And I don't think you're quite grasping the irony of the fact that, in judging my game as "not great" (or "terrible," whichever wording you'd prefer) you're making the exact same judgment of me that you're criticizing me of making in others. Only, well, in your case you haven't even supported your criticism of me with facts, so it just initially seems less authentic and more petty.

Like, half of your argument against me seems to be "Snake, don't tell other Mafia players they played a terrible game, this is just for fun," and then the other half is "By the way, you played a terrible game. And I won't even tell you what you did wrong or how you could have improved. You were just awful" (with the implicit assumption that because you can judge my playstyle as poor, you must be better and the very same kind of 'great' player you're chastising me for being confident in being.)

Do you see the inherent contradiction there? If you're going to criticize my play I think it's fair of me to ask that you at least do the same thing I try to do when I criticize others, which is justify my perspectives with some articulation of "what went wrong." In Sifright's and Earl's cases, the exact nature of their mistakes have been reflected on by everyone tenfold, but in my case the extent of the criticism appears to have been "I have no idea what the fuck you were up to D1," which is pretty much what I intended.

Snake how simple do I have to make this?
You didn't know the distribution of power roles Day 1. Thus getting infromation from everyone is dangerous.
How am I not articualtiong? The entire extent of my problem is that the mass information dumps that you propogated day 1 are dangerous.
I know what you were up to. I know what your plan was. It is not a complex web of deciet. It is getting information from everyone to hep town make their lynch decision and prevent low activity mafia while also casting yourself in a suspect light so you don't get night targeted cause scum will feel confident they can lynch.

And there is a difference between saying "Snake didn't play the most amazing game on the face of the planet thus allowing him to criticise others" and "Everyone except me was playing terribly on day 1".
And their are two halves of my argument. 1) You don't need to criticise everyone so harsly. And 2) even if you did your position is not as solid as you think it is.
My position is very very simple snake. I have articulated it over and over.
I'm out. You are not reading my posts. I don't care anymore.

That is true. And fun is more important than anything So thanks for that Snake.
Criticism revoked! Us cults are totally fickle.
Like the one day I was alive was pretty sweet.

Man this has to be a record for mafia posts.

Nah. You totally stank the place up. Like wow, do you cultists take a vow never to bathe or something?

Everything you just described was entirely intentional on my part, and something I wanted to play to my advantage as I wanted people to lead lynches on me (and I wanted you as scum to basically do exactly what you did in outing yourself by going after me.)

Like, that's just the thing, this is a difference in Smarty and I's perspectives in playing the game. Because I like being an active Mafia player I don't mind turning the spotlight on me and getting everyone to post in a frenzy. The activity benefits my own personal analyses, which let me go 5 of 7 in serious suspicions D1. It also lets the game revolve around me, which is precisely what I want when I attempt this playstyle; I dictate the pace because I can handle the consequences.

My biggest error was believing that this would all actually lead Scum to want to keep me around, because they'd perceive me as an easy lynch target. Which is precisely what I want because there's no other alternative with me; given my reputation as a decent Mafia player and a smart lawyer guy, either I act scummy enough to be kept alive or I'm killed as a potential threat almost immediately. No one's going to buy a version of Snake that's inactive or that doesn't post Walls of Text. So either I play as a perfectly productive, uncontroversial Townie with accurate suspicions (who gets killed very quickly) OR I drudge up enough controversy that Scum keeps me alive, all the while 'hiding' my real feelings in a few serious posts that some folks might pick up on.

Like the whole 'suspecting Nikose / turning on IHMN' thing was a hugely controversial bluff designed merely to see how everyone would react. It was risky, sure. But it wasn't stupid so long as Scum thought "Well, so long as Snake is that crazy, we can keep him alive as opposed to killing him despite his walls of activity D1." And that's what I wanted: I wanted Scum to feel they didn't have to hang me N1. (Because given my playstyle, when I'm Town, I am only too often killed N1.)

Bathing is unholy.

And Snake, from the cult perspective your strategy worked quite well. I wouldn't have pushed for a kill of you. But that's because I also like having lots of information to pick targets- having similar success in picking as you did picking scum. Probably would have culted you eventually somepoint though.

Uhh, well, the "everyone except me was playing terribly on Day 1 until I showed up" tidbit was poorly worded on my end. What I meant to say was something more along the lines of, "Given my preferred playstyle I'm sure glad I showed up and ruffled a few feathers D1; even if you disliked my half-joking insults, they spurred (what I believe to be) a desirable result in increased activity."

Plenty of people ended up playing solid games. IHMN (and not me) was definitely the game's MVP, and I gave Gem a well-deserved second place. Any insinuation to the contrary was not intended.

gem we both know you were just being kooky.

Smarty.
Stop posting.

I mean, Day 1 I was all for not getting serious and coming down on Snake for getting all up with the righteous fury. But post game? With compliments and solid critique? That's not being a jerk, he's trying to help the players who didn't do well this game do better next time.

Pfft. I kneeeeew you were up to something. MY K33N NOS3 D3T3CTS 4LL CR1M1N4LS.

Can it sniff out hypnobeams?

Oron would be all "honk HONK honk HONK" and you'd be all "TOWN13 TOWN13 1T'S OBV1OUS3 S1FR1GHT'S TH3 P3P3RTR4TOR TRY1NG TO FR4M3 H1M" were it not for me. >:[

honk honk

It wouldn't need to, I can just follow your body odor.
Theory: Cult died in night one because they smelled awful and nobody wanted them around.

SHOOOOOOOSH

He's right, you know.

Also I knew from late day 1 Snake probably wasn't Mafia. Was still open to the idea of it, but I didn't think it likely. I guess what it came down to was that his rants were trying to get everyone to think rather than just instructing them what to think, which stuck out as townie favoring.

Didn't matter what Nikose was, need to lynch that fucker early or he causes chaos regardless of his role.

Sif, you were making me facepalm on a damn near tridaily basis early on. But you pulled through to the end. Good job, Doc.

Knew RPG was scum when he pushed for Sif's lynch even if I'd suspected before. Didn't think I could properly force the lynch through at that point though.

Also I'm in love with the fact that despite my claim literally nothing ever tested it properly.
Sif got investigated but that wasn't quite damming for me since I could pass it off as him lying without a connection to me. But even still, no kill attempts at all. If I'd been a townie just plain bullshitting I'd have laughed the whole way through the game.

I guess it was just because you replaced Ramary who's a good friend of mine, but I was always pretty trusting of RO from the start. Once he pulled the investigator card I stuck with that gut feeling, and I'm glad I did.


IHMN.
You magnificent motherfucking bastard.
At a certain point I was so sure you were being too helpful I almost joined in on your lynch, but the sweet smell of Cockatrice for dinner kept my vote on RPG.

But ponies all smell awful. Like go to a farm sometime you guys

Our ponies smell of frienship and flowers and magic and cupcakes and rainbows and magic.

Don't know what weird ponies you've been meeting with. They were probably all in your cult, though.

Actual ponies.

I didn't know anything till Gregness claimed Rarity. Before that I was trying to get people to accept Karesh/Sifright/Snake/maybe others as townie to get a voting block going. After the claim, all I really did was decide that Nikose/Ryanderman were mafia, then later Bard/greed (Bard died at night), then tried to make everyone bend to my will since I couldn't actually explain things. Also constantly press for a role claim to make the mafia members counter the townies so people would suspect them, and I knew we had a really good majority.

Well, it WAS easy just mindlessly obeying the gifs =)

I'm pretty sure if I was still alive I'd mindlessly obey the gifs even as nontown. They strangely convincing

I don't know if the Gifs worked for or against you really. They sort of exaggerated your points and made them mores noticeable and also justified you giving little explanation. on the other hand though, you couldn't explain anything!

Would be interesting, demanding a roleclaim, then you just coming out you're the cult leader, would probably raise a couple eyebrows

Interpretation was pretty damn hard at times, but it must have been even worse for you watching all our stupid little discussions about what the fuck you were trying to say.
I think at least three times I just completely got it wrong and if everyone had listened to what I thought you meant we'd be fucked.

But it's a nice cult. I would just convince you all to join. If we take down the mafia then just cult everyone without death everyone wins!
Super happy cult.

But what does your cult think about stairs, hospitals and Ayn Rand?

Actually you were a pretty logical choice for night 3, perhaps the only logical choice I made all game.

Like, N1 the only thing I had to go on was Snakes reasoning about Bob, because I had nothing else myself, and according to the mafia wiki the best thing for a vig with no suspicions to do is hit inactives anyway. I also wanted to see what Snake would say if Bob turned up town.

N2 things didn't go so well, seeing as the days lynch was wasted with the override. So, as the element of loyalty, I felt it best to simply stick with the majority vote on Fawful. I essentially acted as the lynch that day, whilst Aldurin acted as the random vig kill.

N3 was easier; RPG was already suspected of being the SK, and there was talk of letting him live long enough to hit more mafia, Aldurin was confirmed town, Greg confirmed himself when he outed Nikose, IHMN was, well, IHMN, Karesh and Sif were practically confirmed at that point, though I still had reservations about Sif, Verifiedz was never really a threat, RO I had nothing to suspect as he was a replacement so was probably town, which pretty much left Bard, Ryan, Greed and Oron, of which Ryan and Greed were already drawing lynch attention.

So it was really just a 50/50 split between the 2 then. The final decision came when I looked at the numbers for each player on the main list, I figured it was unlikely the mafia would all be down the bottom so I went straight to the top.

I'm still curious as to what it was that outed me as a power though. I really didn't think I was that obvious/threatening.

I honestly figured "Fenris is probably the type to give Hawk the Rainbow Dash role because of his avatar" at the beginning and Rainbow Dash happened to be the Vig. Then as the game went on, the list of possible players with power roles narrowed until you were basically one of three choices for Vig. At least, that's how it seemed to me. I think Nik pegged you as a power role during Day 2 as well.

My cult mind reading powers.
If its a big issue I can reread day 1 because I really don't remember right now it was ages ago.

I did consider changing my avatar when the game started, but that would have been just as suspicious really. It probably didn't help when Nik talked about how Snake was probably Pinkie either, because the next logical choice was me and RD. Me and Snake are probably the most vocal about who our favourites are and Niks comments on D1 did have me pretty worried at first.

Although Fenris' PM only said I was a lucky motherfucker for getting my favourite pony, so I assume it was just random luck there.

I was incredibly disappointed that I was not Pinkie Pie, to be honest.

I just had a hunch that Either RpG, hawk, or gregness had a kill role due to the targets made and their level of activity/what they participated. you seemed to lay a little low, and I think you tried to lynch fawful? Those details made me think you had a chance at it since there we already knew several other roles.

Pretty much this is the most important thing.

The only role that wasn't randomly assigned was IHMN's.

I claimed SK since I was hoping people would believe the flipping bit, and also since it was pretty much legitimately unwinnable for me because of how Fenris made the untargettable person unlynchable accidentally. My next day would have gone, "I've been roleblocked!", and then I'd have to keep coming up with tenuous excuses as to why I'm not dead, also, keep lynching people who aren't me. Until just me and Karesh remain.

Also, I didn't kill Snake! That was totally Fenris's fault! I went for Nikose the night Snake got killed, and Fenris forgot and thought I said Snake.

Man, you fuckers ask for a GM commentary/review of the game and then ignore it when I spend a good 45 minutes typing it up.

Thanks a lot.

I didn't ignore it!

I read it! But no one responded to the fact that I was an awesome super cool dude with having my nightkill botched!