Hey let's talk about the Pope so bad they made a Video Game villain based on him and nobody complained.

I see your Alexander and raise you a John. You see while Benedict may have hidden rapist John 12 actually was a rapist and would rape people seeking the protection of the vatican. Also he made prayers to the Devil.

That's kind of an anachronistic way of looking at it. No... that's a totally anachronistic way of looking at it.

In any case: infallability is totally not all the time.

Borgias represent.

No more than "Hey, I woke up this morning and the Pope is suddenely infalliable when he chooses to be. Oh and so were past Popes at these specific times". You know for being so dogmatic, they tend to make shit up on the fly a lot.

Also haven't seen it mentioned here but apparently a lot of the initial coverups in the 80s/90s were by the Pope himself (as a cardinal at the time). So he got personal reasons for not discussing it.

No, but the thing is: it doesn't seem like the notion of infallability was invented in 1870. Both ways of looking at it are anachronistic, because both you and the Church are disregarding what infallability might have been at the time itself, taking the definition of 1870 as the sole possible criterion for it. You're rejecting what they're saying that infallability is... but you're accepting what they're saying that infallability isn't.

I'm not saying that any other criterion that might be more "time appropriate" is going to be worth a damn... I really have no idea about the detail of this.

Well, that's the paradox of dogma for you! Which cosmological plane now never existed for sure after having totally existed for sure for a long while? Limbo?

That's what I hate most about the pope. Their acts of making things up as they go along go well beyond mere reinterpretation.

Is it really any surprise that some Protestants believe the papistry itself to be the antichrist?

I mean...along with Obama and Bart Stupak.

They're blaming the current pope because he himself specifically was helping with a lot of the cover ups when he was a cardinal.

Well before that the idea had been discussed but never really examined. It was just sort of a given that the Holy Spirit was guiding the pope- probably. And the idea of ex cathedra/different levels of papal stuff was around but never laid out officially. Then they sat down an ddecided to make it official and rulise it. It pretty much how the same as old countries getting laws and constitution but I just like hassling the papacy. And I need to make wild accusations and exaggerations bordering on falsehoods cause that's how I roll.
We need the anti-popes back. They'd sort all this mess out.
Edit: The Avignon ones, not the myriad of other ones.

My personal favorite excuse so far is "the Devil made them do it!"