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Nique 06-05-2010 04:31 PM

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I've also heard that there were gameplay tweaks made between 1,2 and 3 but I can never be sure if these are actual tweaks or just the guitar hero elitists squabbling over which game is the best.
The only gameplay "tweak" I can think of that even remotely matters to an average gamer is having original tracks instead of the covers that dominated the first 3 or 4 games of the series. That said, I'm pretty sure you are correct as the tutorial in GH 2 espouses the virtues of 'new and improved something something, etc etc'

A Zarkin' Frood 06-05-2010 04:43 PM

Well, the Hammer-Ons and Pull-Offs were pretty obvious. The mechanic was improved in 2 and became much easier to dopull off. Then it got ludicrous in 3, where the time window was huge enough to fit through a Monster Truck, maybe. Haven't played any Guitar Hero after 3. So I don't know what happened since then.

Donomni 06-05-2010 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Donomni (Post 1045372)
This new Guitar Hero game has a serious Brütal Legend vibe to it.

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Originally Posted by Meister (Post 1048476)

So, this kinda sums it up:

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Originally Posted by Meister (Post 1047970)

Also, remembered Activision were the people originally involved in publishing Brütal Legend, and more importantly, the douchiness of them once EA got it.

So, yeah, they are totally ripping off Brütal Legend. And considering their track record recently with the company as a whole, it probably won't even be a good rip-off like 3D Dot Game Heroes.

This could just me being mad at them for ripping off a game that's less than a year old, though.

bluestarultor 06-05-2010 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Living Bobbeh (Post 1045283)
Meanwhile, Rock Band 3 is going to have a keyboard/keytar. You know, a major gameplay changing addition rather than a silly storyline that does little to change the actual gameplay except add some game-breaking character bonuses.

I just have to say, "wait, what?" That REALLY complicates the five-button standard setup. Like, a lot. If it's anything like a real keyboard/tar, that's at least two octaves to worry about, which is a bit beyond what you can ask a newb to keep track of even with lights on the keys.

I mean, if it's some little thing with 10-12 keys (all ivories, no half-tones), that might be manageable given they put the slide on the guitar, or if they let you start that small and work up to a bit more, it could be a good "challenging" instrument, but there's not much you can really do to fake a keyboard without being insulting.

Is there a picture of this thing yet?


Edit: Nope. Apparently, it was considered, then dropped. Word from a developer: http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38368

Edit again: Hmmm... That was back in 2008, though...

Nique 06-05-2010 08:19 PM

A keyboard could work with a 5 button setup though... White Black White Black White. Yeah I mean, more like a preschool toy than a video game but so far the only semi-realistic instrument has been the drums anyway.

bluestarultor 06-05-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nique (Post 1048554)
A keyboard could work with a 5 button setup though... White Black White Black White. Yeah I mean, more like a preschool toy than a video game but so far the only semi-realistic instrument has been the drums anyway.

Coming from a guy who used to play the piano, I'd say a 12-key, all-white setup might be better. Or heck, even a

White Black White Black White White Black White Black White Black White White Black White Black White White Black White

setup. It looks complicated, but all it really is is where you have your hands fall in Middle C. You could even have a bit more than that just to accommodate different keys like a real piano. If it was me designing it, I'd actually put that musical part on the unit with lights on the keys and maybe an LCD screen or, heck, a series of 5 LEDs per key across the top just so they could see what was coming.

Which is to say that handling that much is doable for a beginner and comfortable to put your hands on.


Edit: I'd also say that putting the buttons on a slide adds a bit of realism to the guitar, and it's pretty hard to argue against the realism of a microphone. ;)

Edit Edit: Or it could be that the slider is for Guitar Hero's guitar. ^^;


Edit again: Putting into pictures what I previously put into words:

http://i47.tinypic.com/317drf9.gif

Living Bobbeh 06-06-2010 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bluestarultor (Post 1048549)
Is there a picture of this thing yet?

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...RUMENTLOGO.jpg
That is all we have at the moment. Taken from the end of the Green Day demo.

Carade 06-10-2010 01:04 AM

http://kotaku.com/5559801/rock-band-...ars--keyboards

On the Rock Band front...

Wait... did I see Bohemian Rhapsody? WITH KEYBOARD?

Oh. Rock Band. Don't, this is so naughty. What if someone sees?

Living Bobbeh 06-10-2010 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Carade (Post 1049700)
http://kotaku.com/5559801/rock-band-...ars--keyboards

On the Rock Band front...

Wait... did I see Bohemian Rhapsody? WITH KEYBOARD?

Oh. Rock Band. Don't, this is so naughty. What if someone sees?

AND HARMONIES.

This is your (Prototype) keyboard. It has 25 keys:
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets.../500x_rb32.jpg

Meister 06-10-2010 03:18 AM

Rock Band: "We'll include harmonies, an entirely new instrument, and we're going to make an effort to teach people how to play real instruments"
Guitar Hero: "We're still really sore we lost Brütal Legend"

Neat little keyboard, the charts look like they could get confusing but then again it's one screenshot, they'll have figured something out I'm sure. Not entirely sold on stringed guitar controllers though. Seems like a bit of a single-purpose device, and I'm also a bit worried about quality. Now if there was a way you could use your actual guitar...


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