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Osterbaum 06-04-2010 09:34 AM

Too often I feel a romance option was added to a game, just because 'isn't that how it's done in the movies', without any actualy thought put in to the matter.

krogothwolf 06-04-2010 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Osterbaum (Post 1047962)
I don't mind sex scenes in games. And man, if that thing in Alpha Protocol actually happened to me, it would pretty damn hot.

Seriosly though, I don't like the idea that somehow adding a sex scene automatically makes the game more mature. It doesn't. Not if you don't take a mature approach to it.

You're dealing with Mass Media now. They take the same approach to video games as they do movies and tv shows. So yeah, to them mature=blood,guts,sex,swearing.

Not accurate but that's how it is nowadays :/

ThatPoorMessenger 06-04-2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by krogothwolf (Post 1047983)
You're dealing with Mass Media now. They take the same approach to video games as they do movies and tv shows. So yeah, to them mature=blood,guts,sex,swearing.

Not accurate but that's how it is nowadays :/

And "mature"crap seems to equal sales. :(

krogothwolf 06-04-2010 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatPoorMessenger (Post 1047990)
And "mature"crap seems to equal sales. :(

Well, just take a gander at hollywood. They used to turn out more good quality films then just "blockbusters" which are fun to watch but not exactly good quality films. Video Games are just slowly following in their footsteps as they get more mainstream. So yep, we either are just gonna have to grin and bare it for now and hope another cultural revolution happens soon that makes mature mean more then boobs and blood.

bluestarultor 06-04-2010 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by krogothwolf (Post 1047992)
Well, just take a gander at hollywood. They used to turn out more good quality films then just "blockbusters" which are fun to watch but not exactly good quality films. Video Games are just slowly following in their footsteps as they get more mainstream. So yep, we either are just gonna have to grin and bare it for now and hope another cultural revolution happens soon that makes mature mean more then boobs and blood.

Heck, video games following movies is nothing new. They've been doing it for decades. Just look at a list of titles for any system and count how many of them are movie or TV show properties. It's a lot.

In fact, I'd say (without really counting and doing the math) that titles from other media were more prevalent years ago and video games are now in the process of extricating themselves from playing "follow the leader." They're still judged by different standards than movies (I'd say more harshly), and they still have a lot of blockbuster elements, but with increasing recognition of games as an art form, even that seems to be starting to change in subtle ways.

ThatPoorMessenger 06-04-2010 10:14 AM

4:47 onwards.
But that's just one reasoning of what's currently wrong with gaming. Point such as this thread, and others. But the quote the video itself "we're fucking marketable", once something acutally offers money, you can make plenty without quality, so why bother with it? :(

Edit:spellings.

Aerozord 06-04-2010 10:50 AM

I do not think relationship is neccisary for mature narratively appropriate sex. Like real life sometimes people have sex just to have sex. Again, Mass Effect shows that off well with the scene with Jack. Even has abit of a moral lesson when you are told, if you want a real relationship to specifically not do that.

Of course there is also a well done Deus Sex MachinaDeus Sex Machina (I'll do you a favor and not link to tv tropes) can add alot of depth. Course I cant remember the last time it was done well, but its still possible

ThatPoorMessenger 06-04-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 1048004)
I do not think relationship is neccisary for mature narratively appropriate sex. Like real life sometimes people have sex just to have sex. Again, Mass Effect shows that off well with the scene with Jack. Even has abit of a moral lesson when you are told, if you want a real relationship to specifically not do that.

Good point, but you said, you can't remember when it was last done well. Can anyone else? Let's just discount anything that was made...10years ago or more. :rolleyes:

bluestarultor 06-04-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatPoorMessenger (Post 1047999)
4:47 onwards.
But that's just one reasoning of what's currently wrong with gaming. Point such as tihs thread, are others. But the quote the video itself "we're fucking marketable", once something acutally offers money, you can make plenty without quality, so why bother with it? :(

I'd argue that it's not even necessarily that. Sure, shiny graphics sell, but they only sell so much. It really doesn't explain the resurgence of 2D we're starting to see. The market is changing again as companies start to see competition from indie developers, who, by ironic merit of not having a lot of time and money, are filling the niches that games were filling 20 years ago, which is what a lot of people hitting adulthood are looking back to. Things like 2D platformers are getting a shot in the arm as people use the new technology to improve the old formulas.

With the success of taking Mega Man back to 8-bit and Sonic somewhat following suit, plus all the remakes and re-releases of old titles, we're probably going to find ourselves in a much more balanced market in the next few years.

ThatPoorMessenger 06-04-2010 11:02 AM

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With the success of taking Mega Man back to 8-bit and Sonic somewhat following suit, plus all the remakes and re-releases of old titles, we're probably going to find ourselves in a much more balanced market in the next few years.
Depends where you look. Enter into teh fanbase of many MMOs and the reflective adaptations from it. As they have lasted longer, more casual players have joined, more casual policies are followed, and a cycle ensues. For console gaming, possibly, but I would argue a majority of investment will still be toward new players or into very easy games...then again, I have yet to find a game I consider difficult...but I think I was playing before I hit any form of pre-school so I can't really count on that argument.


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