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BitVyper 03-10-2010 10:54 PM

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It sounds like the argument here, in pushing for access as a "right", is to make it free
Just publically available, which we already pretty much have anyway. Someone mentioned earlier that you can already get internet access at most libraries.

As far as water goes, I'm pretty sure anyone can just go down to a river (or hell, a public washroom) and take it if they want. You pay to have it piped to your house.

synkr0nized 03-10-2010 11:05 PM

Technological Determinism is not the best.
 
OK, well I was assuming access-to-the-home was the issue. I did indicate I hadn't read the links yet; I was just posting a first-response.

So is the issue the fairness of access to everyone, or just making it available? Because the latter is and has been studied; there's a corpus of research that makes a pretty sound argument against pushing for access without understanding how or why the individuals/communities in question could use it or may need it. In that light, trying to establish a "Here, it's available now" thing beyond Internet Cafes or public libraries and schools is arguably a waste of resources and effort.

BitVyper 03-10-2010 11:16 PM

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I did indicate I hadn't read the links yet; I was just posting a first-response.
In all honesty, I haven't either. I was just basing my post off what's been said in this thread. So we're both terrible people.

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So is the issue the fairness of access to everyone, or just making it available? Because the latter is and has been studied; there's a corpus of research that makes a pretty sound argument against pushing for access without understanding how or why the individuals/communities in question could use it or may need it. In that light, trying to establish a "Here, it's available now" thing beyond Internet Cafes or public libraries and schools is arguably a waste of resources and effort.
I pretty much agree, but the extent of public availability doesn't need to be the point.

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Technological Determinism is not the best.
The point, or my point anyway, would be to stop or at least control this.

Magus 03-11-2010 12:51 AM

I don't know about rights but here in the U.S. at least they're pushing to grant everyone access to high speed internet by an unspecified date (it was supposed to be 2010 but let me check...yep, still stuck with overly priced satellite internet with a 250 MB cap except between the hours of 2 a.m. and 7 a.m. as my only high speed option, I'd say that's a no-go). I think that's something that should be pushed for. If the "right" is implying that everyone should have access to the internet in the sense that they should have access to reasonably price high-speed interent, then it's at least a goal worth shooting for, even if adding it to a bill of rights is kind of extreme.

By the way, not sure if everyone here is aware of the fact that people in rural areas don't have access to reasonably priced high-speed internet via cables, there are still lots of households that are stuck either with dial-up or way overpriced and underwhelming satellite internet. Again, not sure this is a RIGHT, but damn if it isn't something that should be fixed, since there are a lot of people at a disadvantage. If you don't think it's a disadvantage to only have dial-up internet, think about some simple things: have you ever tried to take an online college course that has large video files on a dial-up connection? Downloaded a large file? Tried to voicechat with someone important? Had six disconnects while trying to email a resume or file your FAFSA online? Yes, internet access is still something to strive for for many people. It's not so important as to be a right but it's definitely leaving a lot of people at a disadvantage.

01d55 03-11-2010 03:08 AM

Let's be specific.
 
If we're talking about the right to go out and do what is necessary to get access to the internet without nobody from the government coming by to say "NO INTERNET FOR YOU" or imposing restrictions on your service (e.g. Great Firewall of China) then yeah, that's an obvious free speech right.

If we're talking about the right to say "Hey, I want some internet" and someone somewhere has to get you that internet no strings attached, not so much.

That said, as a discretionary matter providing Internet service as a public utility looks like a good idea.


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