20 guess minimum.

The last part is fun!

But it's such an overboard generalisation. The viewpoint described applies to some males indeed, but definitely not all or even most of us.

Isn't that called the animalisation of men ? I guess it's better than being an object though :D

Like, regardless of your beliefs, I'd assume you'd try to avoid THAT phrase.
 

Bro did you just legit say "Not all men" in a totally unironic context.

So you trigger to those words ? :p

That context is fine since it has nothing to do with sexism, but concerns how a man thinks men think. Well, I say he is wrong. I could eventually argue that internalizing his description may not help fix the rape culture. Fortunately his article as a whole dismisses this last concern.

So, now I'm going to make a claim, but first, I'm going to confirm something for the rest of you (Kim, Snake, Marc, Bard, etc.):

You guys are absolutely right. Men aren't nearly as sexually objectified as women. I can't argue against this. However, men are objectified by wealth. As money machines so to speak. It's kind of funny that we talk about objectification based on marketing and society though, because women spend 88% of the money earned, in total, in the United States. Which means that women have the power to control what is marketed and what isn't. Companies put out to the demographic that earns them the most cash. So, the question here is, why haven't women changed this yet? If you can answer without using Patriarchy, Manosphere or any other buzzwords that don't make sense and I don't care to know, you get bonus points. I can make them up too and say what meanings they have.

Another question I pose is, how do we allow free agency, the right to choose what one does with their own body and get rid of the objectification of both sexes at the same time? I have my own answer to this question, but I want to hear others opinions on it.

This post is just an interim while I compile bigger argument.

Also, with every post RawBot makes I am increasingly convinced he's a clever troll
 

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And if the fact it was also written by a woman isn't enough for you, you could always look up spending habits from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Does the citation you give address the fact that as sexism relegates many women to the roles of stay-at-home moms, they are of course going to do much of the spending since they'll be the ones buying groceries and other necessities for the house? That's part of the consumer spending market. Even the not-stay-at-home women are often relegated to shopping for many household necessities. Cuz gender roles.

And, if men feel they are objectified by wealth, the easy solution to this would be to stop skewing the system such that women consistently make less than men for doing the same work. That women are denied many of the upper jobs. The women who defy this of course always being white, because patriarchy intersects with white supremacy.

Furthermore, the reason women are not catered to despite spending the majority of the money is that many of these business, companies, etc are controlled by men who cater to their own demographics, who prioritize their own interests, and who do their damnedest, usually unintentionally, to drive women from these spaces.

If you're going to argue women are objectifying men according to wealth you'll have to provide evidence other than spending. You'll have to provide info as to what women are spending that money on, vs men. Even that doesn't equate objectification. You would then have to prove that there is dehumanization of men based on this. That there is a culture of objectifying men according to wealth. Because who is spending the money doesn't reflect the psychological aspects.

Follow-Up: Even if your claim that women objectify men according to their wealth is true (the implication being that women feel entitled to the wealth of men), I'm curious what abuses this contributes to. We already know what abuses men objectifying women's bodies encourages, because rape and other forms of abuse often come from a place of the man feeling entitled to the woman's body.

But that link says nothing about a study and the link in it to what you'd think would be a study also just throws "over 80% of the consumer economy" in the exact same way.

Of course not he's a man, he don't need encouragement for his feelings he needs derision for his ~manfeels~

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For real, fuck you

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Like kim literally says that male objectification doesn't happen and that men are always forever treated as real-ass people for reals in the same breath as telling him his feelings aren't real and don't matter

listening to shit like this is why i let crazy bitches give me nervous fucking breakdowns