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Nique 05-04-2010 03:27 PM

Do you want to elborate in a more legitimate conversation or continue to (yes, you are) troll?

EDIT: Also this -

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this thread would pretty much deserve it.
Probably in the top ten of the absolutly stupid things that I have ever seen on the forums.

Meister 05-04-2010 03:30 PM

Nique stop calling people trolls.

DFM 05-04-2010 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nique (Post 1036631)
Do you want to elborate in a more legitimate conversation or continue to (yes, you are) troll?

I think a better course of action would be for you to explain exactly what it is you're hoping to get out of this thread.

"I don't like X. Tell me why people like X because I don't see how they can."

I mean, if you think this is a legitimate question then there's really nothing more to talk about here.

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Originally Posted by Nique (Post 1036631)
Probably in the top ten of absolute stupidest things I have ever seen on the forums.

lol

krogothwolf 05-04-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DFM (Post 1036628)
So playing sports is baffling because you might get hurt. Or, for boxing, because you will get hurt.

It's almost like an athlete thinks having fun/competing is worth enduring physical pain.


What madness drives them to such folly.

Don't forget the adrenaline high you get from it! Man, Adrenaline high's are the best thing ever! Combine that with totally destroying someone with a clean open ice hit and man, the feelin you get is awesome! I miss playing hockey :( Damn knee's getting wrecked from a knee on knee hit :(

Professor Smarmiarty 05-04-2010 04:13 PM

I'm with DFM here, people like sports like they like any other things- I'm not sure what kind of answer you are hoping to get. The comparision to football is valid- why do people like football?
To answer your question would be to answer it about all sports really, and pretty much any activity humans enjoy.

Nique 05-04-2010 04:58 PM

DFM, I notice you tend to give people a lot of shit without anything near a reasonable level of justification. Why you insist on trying to make this an unpleasent place to be is beyond me, but it's getting pretty tired.

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Originally Posted by Meister
Nique stop calling people trolls.

I'm baffled that this is the issue here but ok. I'll reign it in.

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"I don't like X. Tell me why people like X because I don't see how they can."

I mean, if you think this is a legitimate question then there's really nothing more to talk about here.

I know you think there's a point in there but aside from being needlessly combative there really isn't.

I don't understand the appeal of Boxing. I offered why I find it unapealing, why I can see the appeal of comparable sports, and even stated that I may have a double standard, but basically conveyed the idea that I am curious about why other people find it so interesting.

How is this not a legitimate inquiry? You've never wondered why lot's of people enjoy something that you don't see a lot of value in? What I'm curious about is not the fact that people can enjoy something that I don't, but what they specifically enjoy about it.

The snarky treatise on how people have different interests and that I am stupid for not realizing this is more than insulting becuase you are intentionally misunderstanding me as, I guess, an excuse to be sarcastic. So that's irritating.

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lol
Trolling is, pretty much universally, considered stupid. So yeah.

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I'm with DFM here, people like sports like they like any other things- I'm not sure what kind of answer you are hoping to get.
Jesus H.

Why do we talk about anything? I had a topic I wanted to have an enjoyable dscussion about becuase I was curious about it and wanted to kill some time.

Magus 05-04-2010 05:11 PM

Actually, yes, the high point of any UFC viewing for me is when one guy has been knocked senseless to the ground and the other guy is beating the ever loving shit out of his head, so I think your point is proven but I don't care? Or something like that. I forget, I think it was Bluestarultor who said something about "let's throw some lions in there", which I'm assuming is a comparison between the UFC and the ancient gladiatorial games. What this overlooks is that these people are willingly entering UFC matches, unlike the slaves used for the spectacles of Rome, so while the visceral enjoyment may be as "mindless", it's not as immoral (or something like that).

Not sure why boxing is still popular in the wake of UFC, as someone else mentioned there is are way too many opportunities for one partner to tangle up the fight in an attempt to get a lot of resting time, whereas in cagefighting that would leave you open to holds which would cause you to give up rather than have your arm or leg broken, there aren't as many awesome kicks to the head in boxing (in fact it is illegal and would make you lose a point if not be disqualified, talk about lame), and there's no grappling aspect. Boxing outside the heavyweight division rarely seems to end in a knockout or even a technical knockout anymore, either.

Nique 05-04-2010 05:46 PM

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Actually, yes, the high point of any UFC viewing for me is when one guy has been knocked senseless to the ground and the other guy is beating the ever loving shit out of his head, so I think your point is proven but I don't care?
My only point is to understand or at least be aware of perspectives other than my own (specifically aware, not just aware that their are other perspectives). I was in no way attempting to deliver some kind of diatribe on how deplorable the violence in this sport is or whatever.

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Not sure why boxing is still popular in the wake of UFC,
Maybe it's a nostalgia thing? There does seem to be a paticular male-oriented culture around boxing? I hear a lot of boxing fans compalin about UFC fighters, ostensibly becuase it seems more violent to them, when in reality they probably just have less context for the violence.

krogothwolf 05-04-2010 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nique (Post 1036657)
Why do we talk about anything? I had a topic I wanted to have an enjoyable dscussion about becuase I was curious about it and wanted to kill some time.

Well, if that was what you were going for, why did you start it off as "I don't get it". Nor did you even ask for anyone to really explain why they enjoy the sport. You started off this whole thing acting like boxing wasn't something that should appeal to anyone because it's about beating each other up. You made it seem like it was weird for someone to like it. It may not have been your intent but to me, you came off as someone looking down on something they deem inferior to them. Plus, if you don't get why people like something like this, then it's going to be very hard to explain to you why. There are thrills involved in seeing two people pound on each other. It gets the blood flowing and gets the adrenaline pumping. It's someone that's very difficult to explain because it's all based on your feelings and emotions. You'll never really get why people enjoy it Nique because you dislike the idea of 2 people hurting each other, not that it's a bad thing that you don't like that, but because you don't it'll be hard to get it to you why people who enjoy that, enjoy it.

Magus, the reason Boxing is still popular is because people enjoy to see that type of fighting and how boxing is set up and everything. The Prize Fighter is still something more associated with Boxing then UFC and that is what draws in the boxing crowds. This stable's prize fighter versus that ones. This promoter's against that one. I love UFC's method of being one promoter, but the boxing method draws people to it as well.

Bells 05-04-2010 06:10 PM

Holy crap, you guys are reeeeeeeeally nitpicking the simple "Pitching a thought" of the first post in this thread.

Really, we don't have to elaborate an essay to open every single thread about every single subject one might want to discuss... sheesh! Really, sometimes a "Hey, Boxing. What's up with that?" just might be enough to pitch in a decent conversation... which this thread actually has, at least for the larger portion of the first 3 pages...

Y'know, that's actually one of the things i miss from the old "Discussion" sub forum, because there you are actually supposed to open a thread with at least some deeper thought / facts / relevant links to propose a discussion, while on general anyone could simply toss their line in the water and chat a bit...

C'mon people... if that's how it works, then, let's just end every topic every time on the first page with "People deslike/like/do what they deslike/like/do because they deslike/like/do what they deslike/like/do" and be done with it.

ON TOPIC:

I don't know how does that "grade" in the discussion itself, but i can see why Boxing gets to be an Olympic sport just like Wrestling and a few Martial arts, but not Ultimate Fighting.

That's just.. the distinction my brain makes of it. To me, it's very redundant and boring. Bloody, yeah, and a lot of people enjoy that... but i don't see that much "Art" in doing it. Sure, these guys train like hell. And sometimes they do special training aimed at their adversary... but most of the time, if i watch a fight between two guys i don't know and the audio is off, i'm not going to be able to tell what "Martial Art Skills" they are using beyond "Grabbing" and "Elbow/Knee hits" with the ocassional generic Hold.


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