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Dracorion 08-14-2010 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Menarker (Post 1065095)
Anyhow, hoping everyone is doing well. Be back in a few days.

Well, I was hoping you'd comment on the plan I posted.

But since you're not going to, I'm just going to go ahead and modify it a little bit so that Renny's pokemon all die, and then Renny tries to attack Toxicroak with his righteous fists of fury. Then Toxicroak's counter attack ability kicks in. And everyone lives happily ever after.

I'll get around to posting soon.

Oh, and something else: I propose that we rename Renny's Signature Technique "Valiant Rush" to "The Little Engine That Could".

All in favor say aye.

Menarker 08-14-2010 10:56 AM

What is there to talk about? We keep going back and forth on the laser thing. On a tactical side, it seems "decent" since you apparently still want fog dispelling judging from the looks of Renny's pokemons actions. From an RP perspective, the orders might be given sequentially, so that everything looks good until that last order which is "WTF, YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" "I CAN AND I WILL!"

On a side note, your formation is incorrect if you want Tyranitar to use its Earthquake in such a way so it backlashes uselessly on Shaymin. Shaymin and Tyranitar are both on the opposite side of the formations!

Dracorion 08-14-2010 11:02 AM

Well you could just admit I'm right.

Anyway, I forgot to change Tyranitar's and Shaymin's positions. Oh well, it's fixed now.

Actually, I was hoping you'd modify it to show who gets STAB and whatnot so I wouldn't have to do it.

Geminex 08-14-2010 12:34 PM

Ok. Fuck this shit. I had a nice, big-ass post all written out, forum swallowed it, I'm pissed.

Buuut here we go again...

Bard:
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Well I have a Vriska Avatar so Nyeh!

I am superior to all of you
3XCUUUUUS3 M3?

Menarker: Renny shouldn't suffer any loss of confidence, cause Impact neither gave that order, or is likely to give that order. If the deal falls flat, I'll find more subtle ways to get venegance, and, as you've noticed, I haven't been very active in the RP thread. I certainly haven't made any post implying that Togekiss should get lasered.

Regardless of that, yes, you'd be released of your obligation to support Impact. Though I'd like to retain the relationships between our characters. That is to say, Pierce and Renny no longer have to vote Impact for leader. But going straight to massive misturst would annoy me. Not that you intend to, but I just wanted to... throw that out there.

Anyway, business.

Drac...
This isn't a discussion. If it were, I'd be debating vehemently. Making arguments. But it isn't. It's a negotiation. I'm not trying to change your mind, prove to you that I'm right. Hell, I don't even hold the view that Charlotte is more qualified than Pierce (though neither is Pierce more qualified than Charlotte)!
I can try to persuade you that you're wrong, of course. And I'm sort of doing that. But not out of belief that I'm right. Cause see, negotiation. We both have certain motivations and views. We are acting based on these. I'm not trying to persuade you that your motivations are fallacies. I'm trying to persuade you that it is in your interest to ignore some of your motivations (Pierce's leadership), while prioritizing others (Not Impact's leadership, The Favor, which, by the way, was the sweetener I talked about).

And I think that is certainly the case.
Mind you, that's not to imply that I don't think Charlotte would be as competent (and if not, then at least not much less competent than) Pierce. Certainly not less succesful. She'd have tacticians advising her. And I have a hunch that once she has power, Bard won't throw it away by acting murderous-impulsively. Unless it's for something really hilarious.

But that's just on the side. I think the ultimatum idea is pretty good. I am W34RY!
Three options:
You insist that Pierce be leader. Deal falls flat.
You give in. Deal works out.
You make me an offer, whereby you either make concessions in return for Pierce's leadership, or I make concessions in return for Charlotte's leadership. Preferrably both. Then I'll make you one, count it, one, counteroffer. Then you either accept or decline, and we're done.

Bard The 5th LW 08-14-2010 12:45 PM

So apparently I was supposed to make an illustration of Drac.

http://i38.tinypic.com/33w7028.jpg

Not sure why it was requested.

Dracorion 08-14-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Geminex (Post 1065131)
Menarker: Renny shouldn't suffer any loss of confidence, cause Impact neither gave that order, or is likely to give that order. If the deal falls flat, I'll find more subtle ways to get venegance, and, as you've noticed, I haven't been very active in the RP thread. I certainly haven't made any post implying that Togekiss should get lasered.

Yes, you did:

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Also, CENTER THE LASER ON TOGEKISS.
IT IS OUR ONLY HOPE.
And also:

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Yes. Yes I do. And y'know what? Unless this deal goes through, this ass will remain firmly planted on the 'leader' chair. And, whelp, will you look at that, not only am I more than capable of tactically justifying a faceful of laser directed at Togekiss, I'd also be extremely enthusiastic about that sort of idea!
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Originally Posted by Geminex (Post 1065131)
Drac...
This isn't a discussion. If it were, I'd be debating vehemently. Making arguments. But it isn't. It's a negotiation. I'm not trying to change your mind, prove to you that I'm right. Hell, I don't even hold the view that Charlotte is more qualified than Pierce (though neither is Pierce more qualified than Charlotte)!

Oh, come on. (about the bolded part)

Fair enough, this is a negotiation. See below to see what parts of the deal you have yet to hold up to and then I'll make my concessions.

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Originally Posted by Geminex (Post 1065131)
I can try to persuade you that you're wrong, of course. And I'm sort of doing that. But not out of belief that I'm right. Cause see, negotiation. We both have certain motivations and views. We are acting based on these. I'm not trying to persuade you that your motivations are fallacies. I'm trying to persuade you that it is in your interest to ignore some of your motivations (Pierce's leadership), while prioritizing others (Not Impact's leadership, The Favor, which, by the way, was the sweetener I talked about).

Impact not being leader was not the sweetener. For fuck's sake, Impact stepping down is the main reason we're making this deal anyway! Not a sweetener. Let me outline that you've promised a couple of times to make the deal better:

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Mind you, this is a suggestion. I'm not yet sure if the plot allows me to part with Impact's leadership, stuff is still very vague. And the deal would be refined.
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And by "refining" I meant "make them better for you". Everyone, I guess. But Drac in particular. Trust me. This is the chance of a lifetime I talked about.
Just need oooone little PM to AB...
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Mind you, I don't wanna do this unless it's unanimous. Neither do I want to wait until after Pierce's sidequest. So what to do...
If I've accurately summarized Menarker's position, and everyone agrees to the basic deal, there are two steps:
1: You outline roughly how Pierce is gonna change after his sidequest, without revealing what'll happen.
2: I sweeten the deal one time.
Then you accept or decline.
And no, you voting Charlotte for leader doesn't count as a sweetener either. We always would've had to choose a new leader. Charlotte being a candidate is just specifying.

Unless you're pulling this off. In which case you can't, because I totally called dibs on it right after Charlotte posted it.

Oh wait, heh, you already did:

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Regardless of who you want for leader, lemme just clarify, you'd all agree to help this RP remain balanced (like I said, by my standards), continously, in return for Impact stepping down? No matter who steps up? This is primarily Menarker and Drac, but everyone, really, except for AB.
And now you're saying:

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Originally Posted by Geminex (Post 1065131)
But that's just on the side. I think the ultimatum idea is pretty good. I am W34RY!
Three options:
You insist that Pierce be leader. Deal falls flat.

So first you said it didn't matter who we picked as leader as long as we agreed to keep balance. Now you're saying if I don't pick Charlotte as leader the deal goes to hell.

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Originally Posted by Geminex (Post 1065131)
You give in. Deal works out.

You haven't quite pushed me there yet. I'm weary too. The question is, can you wear me out before I wear you out? Because I'm not going to be losing any sleep if this deal doesn't go through.

Anyway, yeah, if you can somehow keep pushing me I just might cave.

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Originally Posted by Geminex (Post 1065131)
You make me an offer, whereby you either make concessions in return for Pierce's leadership, or I make concessions in return for Charlotte's leadership. Preferrably both. Then I'll make you one, count it, one, counteroffer. Then you either accept or decline, and we're done.

Fair enough. I'm going to propose something, but before we go through with anything, for the love of God, I need to know if you're going to do the stuff you said you'd do that I quoted above or not.

So here it is:

Impact steps down and becomes Pierce's lieutenant. Or some other sideways-shift to another position that establishes Pierce and Impact as equals, except Pierce can overrule Impact only when they're out on the field. Like, I dunno, Pierce being team leader and Impact becoming Head of Intelligence or some such. Alternatively: Impact becoming Head of the Watchmen and Pierce being promoted to Field Commander, as long as it's clarified in-game that both positions are equal.

In exchange, I myself will be less of a nuisance toward you fine people. Generally nicer, less whiny, and whatnot. It can be a drastic change that would last for a specific amount of time, and once that time is up I still wouldn't be quite as obnoxious as I am now. Alternatively, it can be a permanent change but of a much lesser order of magnitude.

There's my offer. Feel free to specify whatever parts you want when/if you make your counteroffer. Though I'd suggest against making a counteroffer I can't refuse, because I might just refuse it.


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Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior (Post 1065135)
So apparently I was supposed to make an illustration of Drac.

http://i38.tinypic.com/33w7028.jpg

Not sure why it was requested.

This portrayal is entirely accurate.

Normally, I suppose I should be crapping in my pants because Geminex and Bard are plotting against me. But hell, there's a rather defiant part of me that wants to scream "Bring it on, mothafuggas!" And it's a really big part.

Though, you know, if you two feel I've crossed a line somewhere with my obnoxiousness, all you have to do is tell me

EDIT: Oh you've got to be shitting me. They finally fix the forum clock just in time to make this post not make any sense? I mean, shit.

I'm just going to wait until the clock catches up, delete this post and post it again so it'll show up after Bard's.

Astral Harmony 08-14-2010 02:21 PM

The details in the beer bottle are incredible. I wish I could sprite like that.

Anyways, about time for duty. I woke up this morning refreshed and ready to do a sprite comic with much of the dialog in my head. Especially Matthias. That's gonna be the best one.

So, Bard, you changed your title to Geminex? I don't get it at all, but I find it damn hilarious regardless.

Dracorion 08-14-2010 02:25 PM

It's something to do with an avatar someone made for Geminex (because no one in NPF knows who you are if you don't have an avatar) that Bard stole.

Also, those two have been like this for a while now, so it was the next logical step in their relationship.

Astral Harmony 08-14-2010 02:26 PM

I didn't know Geminex made avatars. I wish I could do that.

Dracorion 08-14-2010 02:27 PM

Nah, Gem didn't make it. Someone made it for him. In this thread, page 6.

And now they are truly inside one another.


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