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shiney 11-08-2011 12:52 PM

Oh yeah there's the untrue part of it, I guess you could liken that to the bears analogy, where in fact no they fucking aren't and you're being sensationalist.

TDK 11-08-2011 03:02 PM

Just my opinion though. I could be wrong.
 
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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 1166610)
Just to check, people do know that most actors don't pull the wages of movie stars right? Most cant even live off of what they make. And on the other side a college professor can break into the 6 digit income.

For the most part I'm with Betty. There are alot of factors that determine how much people make, some fair, some not. I am not sure giving that money for teachers is even a good idea. There are a finite number of students to teach, and there is no conclusive proof that smaller class sizes (thus more teachers) is a benefit. So while I find a teacher to be among the most important professions, I dont think giving them more money would aid society. Frankly if you were in it for the money, teacher probably wasn't the right career choice to begin with

Professors =/= teachers. Not EVEN the same thing because professors also do research and have degrees that are useful for things other than teaching.

And how does smaller class size not make for better teaching? Less students, more individual time for each student...Things get explained better and clarified more, less time is wasted grading a million papers, teachers get to know each student more, etc etc.

And just because people don't get into teaching for the money doesn't mean a pay increase isn't a damn good idea. Firstly, it would attract more teachers (I personally know like ten people who have said to me "yeah I would go into education, I'd love to make a difference with the children and stuff, yknow? But I really don't want to spend all this time getting a masters degree to then go and work my ass off for 30k a year."

Furthermore, higher pay would lead to better teaching by existing teachers because they'll be less likely to get jaded because "oh god I'm wasting my life teaching these little retards for just enough money to get by and there's no budget for anything up to and including BOOKS." Teachers who have been at it for a while and aren't jaded as fuck are sadly a minority, in my experience. Methinks being able to focus more on individual students, the school actually having a budget for important shit, and not surfing the fucking poverty line would make for a lot less jaded teachers.

Fifthfiend 11-08-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Aldurin (Post 1166541)
Having your little power trip from your recent popularity spike does not inherently justify such vile responses towards others.

YOU LISTEN TO ME BETTY ELMS

YOU MAY HAVE BEEN SOME KINDA YOUNG HOTSHOT UP THERE AT POSTING ACADEMY

BUT YOU DON'T KNOW NOTHIN' BOUT HOW WE POST OUT HERE

ON THE STREETS

Professor Smarmiarty 11-08-2011 04:05 PM

WHO WILL BE TOP GUN?

BitVyper 11-08-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants (Post 1166676)
WHO WILL BE TOP GUN?

You can be my wingman anytime.

shiney 11-08-2011 04:13 PM

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And how does smaller class size not make for better teaching? Less students, more individual time for each student...Things get explained better and clarified more, less time is wasted grading a million papers, teachers get to know each student more, etc etc.
Lots and lots and lots of research has actually failed to provide a direct correlation between smaller class sizes and higher student achievement. Common sense would suggest this is the case, reality disputes the assertion.

The rest of your points have merit. Teaching does not attract the best and the brightest because it is not a career that provides the kind of wages that can afford someone a comfortable life. Those who choose teaching for the love of teaching are a special kind, and deserve reward. However those whose intellect is without question typically end up going to highly skilled jobs in engineering/etc fields in large part because the pay is ridiculous in comparison. Weed out the systemic corruption in most school boards and districts, and equalize pay scales, and teaching may become a more respectable profession again. But, this does interfere with the current political mood of "stupid means we get votes" (which is a ~bothsidez~ issue unfortunately).

As it stands the only way you're going to make enough money to achieve "the american dream" as a teacher is if you are a college professor. Those who teach our young at their most impressionable are looked down on unfortunately. See: Wisconsin.

Jagos 11-08-2011 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shiney (Post 1166679)
As it stands the only way you're going to make enough money to achieve "the american dream" as a teacher is if you are a college professor. Those who teach our young at their most impressionable are looked down on unfortunately. See: Wisconsin.

Actually, you have more people in administrative positions making more money than the teachers in most circumstances.

synkr0nized 11-08-2011 08:18 PM

This is actually semi-serious. Screw the intended topic.
 
I wouldn't give it to the teacher.
They'd just quit, and then we'd be down one [potentially good] teacher. We don't need less.

Aerozord 11-08-2011 08:43 PM

Our education system is screwed up and needs fundamental alterations, I dont think anyone is saying otherwise.

I just dont think money would improve matters as much. At the very least I care more about that money going to up to date books, computers, maintenance. If we just bump up teachers salary, I mean yay they get more money and it makes their lives abit easier.

I doubt giving a teacher an extra 20-30 grand a year will suddenly make them better at their job.

Magus 11-11-2011 12:41 AM

Alright, here is the compromise that will please everyone:

The ten million dollars is used to hire security guards for the school districts in my area so that I can quit having the urge to bust heads myself when students assault each other and/or threaten to cut me. This way I can attain the peace that allows me to attend the latest Ben Stiller film this weekend.

EDIT: Or like they use the money to buy these kids 1. psychological help and 2. new parents because seriously, some of these kids are screwed up mostly because of their "parents", or rather, the people who begat them, since there is not a lot of parenting going on here.

Like sometimes you just want to give these kids a hug, but you can't, not only because it's against the law but they will also threaten to throw you through a brick wall. And as much as I try to tell them that there's no future in brick-wall-throwing and they need to focus on studying for their exams, sometimes, in the back of my head, I wonder if indeed if brick-wall-throwing is all they are capable of at this point.

I blame society, really.

ANOTHER EDIT: Like let me clarify: insomuch as I would like to make more than 80 dollars a day, I think that if I had 10 million dollars to allot, the money should be spent on improving students' home lives and providing societal support to them in and out of school so they can learn more easily and learn more and improve their lives in the future and be great people, instead of being caught in a cycle of poverty, crime, and hatred for themselves and others, perpetuating the same crime upon their children as was visited upon them. That's where I want the money to go, to preventing that.


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