So stop voting yourself! :crossarms:

This.
Also cupcakes.

Unvote:myself

Edit: basically i've given up on town being able to win, but i'm not going to actively sabotage it by making it easier for them to kill me at this point.

Most likely candidate in my mind is RPG at this point. He's either a mafioso or a very vindicative townie.

Defeatism aside, as that isn't helpful at all, is not lynching Nikose and leaving him to a vig kill really a thing we're doing? I have doubts as to the wisom of that, but if it's the general consensus, I'm ok with it personally, as it means I don't have to make up my mind whether to believe his role claim and I can go ahead and

Vote: rpgdemon

for over pushing a Sifright lynch, and acting generally scummy. The thing is, I can't see Sifright and Karesh being scum. The logic of it doesn't work out for me.

I don't think Fluttershy is scum. It wouldn't fit at all. So if Karesh is scum, he can't be Fluttershy. And if he's not Fluttershy, then roleclaiming such on the first day was a ridiculous gamble on his and Sifright's parts, as it would have given the real Fluttershy a great incentive to counterclaim, even if it meant sacrificing his life, to get two confirmed scum. I'm not sure I can think of a role that wouldn't be worth sacrificing to confirm two scum on day 1. Though I could be wrong on that. I just can't see scum pulling that maneuver, day 1 especially.

So given the highly unlikely nature of Sifright and Karesh being scum, rpgdemon's insistance on such strikes me as very very suspicious.

I'm waiting for a further response from him before voting, but something else I want to point out: Now that we've started coming around to RPG suspicion all of a sudden he's gone quiet.

Could be he's away from the game for the time being, but the timing is incredibly suspicious.

Start reading the thread from here. He has this plan, that'll keep him alive. But it's ambiguous in the outcome. But okay.

Ah, then that helps! If he dies, then we'll have a confirmation, one way or the other!


Then he refuses to budge from a plan that keeps him alive the longest, and he's tying himself to the Investigator's life. In the same day, like ten posts down. Either he's bad at logic, since his plan had many holes pointed out in it, or he's trying to keep himself alive by any mean necessary. The defense:

"I know I'm town, so it makes sense that I do the plan that gives ambiguous results to the people who need proof, because it means that I stay alive. If I'm lying, well, sorry, you need to kill your PO to find out."

It was explained why his plan wouldn't give any conclusions, and how it would ONLY help scum, because it meant that scum could hide as a townie if anything went wrong. He still refuses to budge, says his plan's the best and keeps trying to stay alive and ambiguous as long as he can.

It's not just me, Snake pointed out many of the same flaws with his plan.

He now, for the first time, outright says that he thinks it's a bad idea for him to die, for the town to get some really solid proof that would be helpful.

This is the first point of flipflopping. He said he was expendable before, and that his death would be proof. Now when push comes to shove, he's backing away from that option, despite a town win counting as a win when you're dead, if you were town. He seems to have said it back when it would deflect suspicion that you could kill him, but now that it's actually considered, "No it's a terrible idea! It's scummy to suggest killing me to verify Karesh!"

So, then there's distraction in the form of an IHMN killing train, then he's all, "I can only post in gifs!", then we're all, "Oh, I guess then you can stay." Then Bookworm looks at PMs, and gets killed.

So, the next day, before anyone votes yet, and people are just discussing and throwing out ideas:

That's a good way to ensure that no one votes against you, since, "Anyone who votes me is voting to help scum, and is scum!"

Then he goes, "NO, I'LL SUICIDE! LOOK, SEE, I'M VOTING MYSELF, IT MEANS I'M TOWN. CALL MY BLUFF GUYS, DO IT! IT'LL PROVE I'M TOWN!", and because of that, people didn't vote for him. They all went, "Look, don't do that! We're not voting you, that's just dumb! You're a townie!"

Then I call him out on very sketchy behavior recently, outright lying about things that I said with intent to mislead. The post he quoted to say, "Look at how RPG wanted to kill inactives!" was actually me directly responding saying that we shouldn't kill inactives unless we had no better plan, sandwiched between two people who wanted to kill inactives who were arguing against me.

Then he goes, "FINE I HATE YOU, SUICIDING AGAIN, I GIVE UP! AND THE TOWN IS GOING DOWN NOW. BECAUSE I'M TOWN."

Then he goes, "But wait, jk. I'm totally town and gonna help town by not suiciding. Since I'm town!"

http://i.imgur.com/Yykej.jpg

As I'm reading through the thread, Sifright goes back and forth between being "I am super knowledge base I know all!", and, "I have no idea, I never read the rules or anything, and I'm confused!", multiple times. It all adds up to being really suspicious in my book.

I've always gone quiet in waves, and I literally posted like a page ago, so don't start the, "NOW THEY'VE RESPONDED, PROVING THEIR GUILT." thing. I was spending my time looking for citations on every statement I made in the above post.

Your post: Today, 12:58 PM

My post: Today, 11:15 AM


That was like an hour and 43 minutes after I posted last. Seriously?

Lost in all this Nikose lying like a pro.