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Kim 01-06-2010 03:27 PM

Bayonetta
 
So Bayonetta, as it turns out, is pretty much pure awesome. The first actiony cinematic not only has a Cutie Honey reference, but it has FLY ME TO THE MOON playing. That pretty much makes it the best cinematic ever. Yes, it is oversexualized to the point of ridiculousness, but I don't even care because it is so damn awesome.

Gameplay is awesome, the story still has me intrigued, and Rodin is already me second favorite sell you shit dude in video games. (The first is Torneko) My only real complaint is that it's a bit too easy but I expect that to change as the game progresses.

synkr0nized 01-06-2010 03:31 PM

A pity. I think I'd enjoy playing through the game, but I hate her design.
 
I played through the demo, and while it was super fun booting people and doing combos and generally tearing through enemies, my mind kept shouting, "Look at her tiny head!"

And I abhor how she walks.

Kim 01-06-2010 04:03 PM

RT doesn't like this version but I do.
 
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Originally Posted by synkr0nized (Post 1004167)
I played through the demo, and while it was super fun booting people and doing combos and generally tearing through enemies, my mind kept shouting, "Look at her tiny head!"

It's not as bad as Magna Carta 2. Plus, it's something I really don't notice all that much since everything is constantly moving.

Fly Me To The Moon - Bayonetta Version

synkr0nized 01-06-2010 04:04 PM

I'm only funnin' at you, RT. But yeah that sucked.
 
Great. I agree with RT. Look what you've done.

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope 01-06-2010 04:11 PM

If someone were to get this or DMC4, what would you recommend.

Azisien 01-06-2010 04:13 PM

Well DMC4 would be like $10 whereas this is a full priced game.

I played the demo and I can't for the life of me figure out what was going on. Might be worth a rent.

Kim 01-06-2010 04:14 PM

DMC4 suffers for being a DMC game with an even number attached.
 
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Originally Posted by Mac (Post 1004189)
If someone were to get this or DMC4, what would you recommend.

Bayonetta.

Even if you are put off by the sheer amount of tongue-in-cheek cheesecake this game delivers on a regular basis, it's still a better game. There's no stupid dice rolling minigame needed to fight the final boss, no backtracking for fifty percent of the damn game, and no timed fixed camera platforming sequences. That and it's just so much more stylish than DMC4.

Nikose Tyris 01-06-2010 04:15 PM

I'd say DMC4. Or old out for the coming DMC123 remakes.

Azisien 01-06-2010 04:24 PM

Oh yeah, NonCon just reminded me of DMC4's camera...

Bayonetta Bayonetta Bayonetta!!!!

Yumil 01-06-2010 05:23 PM

To be honest, the demo doesn't do Tue games beginning any justice since its highly editted to remove spoilers. Hell that clock falling part is missing major things, such as q narrator explaining some of the lore. This game is amazing

Kim 01-06-2010 07:37 PM

Viewtiful Joe had style.
 
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Originally Posted by Yumil (Post 1004206)
To be honest, the demo doesn't do Tue games beginning any justice since its highly editted to remove spoilers. Hell that clock falling part is missing major things, such as q narrator explaining some of the lore. This game is amazing

Yeah, this.


A complaint of mine is that there are some QTEs, but they aren't too bad. They're rare, and they don't start the level over, just the QTE section. You lose some points and have to put up with some load times, but that's as bad as it gets if you fail. Also, succeeding nets you a bunch of halos, so that's nice. It's also worth pointing out that I've only hit two to four QTEs so far, and one of them I succeeded at on accident. It's a one button press, not MASH X OR DIE MUTHA FUCKA kinda deal.

Wall-walking is totally bitchin, as is the Viewtiful Joe solution to beating flaming enemies. I think Bayonetta had a Viewtiful Joe -esque line, but I didn't catch the whole thing, so I'm not sure.

I am kinda disappointed that I get weapons from turning in records, instead of beating awesome bosses, though.

Also also, the two-headed dragon angel whatever the fuck thing from the beginning makes Bayonetta look like a bitch.

"You've got a face only a mother could love, and that I could never forget. Wish I could remember where from, though."
"Ah well. My apologies. If you are not the one who woke me, then I have no quarrel with you."
Bayonetta proceeds to pick a fight with it.


EDIT: Holy shit, Paradiso is fuckin' gorgeous you have no idea.

Mirai Gen 01-06-2010 07:44 PM

This game seriously is everything I want in a package that makes me feel like I need to have all the drapes down and the lights off in my room alone to be able to play it. It's just embarrassingly stupid but Kamiya found a way to make the actual game part of the game liquid awesome.

I'm debating between going and buying it pronto or just putting it on the GameFly queue like normal. Plus Noncon's going to review it so I'm gonna have to either get on that pronto or miss my chance.

Yumil 01-08-2010 04:06 AM

So, I just beat the game on normal. Only got the two LPs they basically give you, so I guess you have to search for pieces outside the ones they give you for the others. Still, the katana was cool enough for me.

I also really suck...most of my trophies are stone, though i did get a few pure platinums, guess I'm much better at boss only chapters.

Spoilers for the end:
Ok, a few things I really love. I love the part where you play Jeanne as she is trying to get Bayonetta out of the eye. Hell, I love all the parts with Jeanne, she's so much cooler than Virgil.

I also love the fake credits where you think oh she dies... was great. Plus I loved the real credits that included fights that added to your score for the epilogue.

I didn't like Bayonetta being Ceraza...Was cool that her actions almost caused the end of existence, but it kind of irked me. It irked me more than killing Jubilea"God" did.


Overall the game is awesome. I dont like half my scores, I havent got most of the weapons, and there are two more difficulties(plus easy and very easy, but I dont really want to play them...) so I've got a lot more replay value ahead of me. Hopefully I can get to a point that Im satisfied before Mass Effect 2.

Kyanbu The Legend 01-08-2010 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by NonCon (Post 1004267)
Yeah, this.


A complaint of mine is that there are some QTEs, but they aren't too bad. They're rare, and they don't start the level over, just the QTE section. You lose some points and have to put up with some load times, but that's as bad as it gets if you fail. Also, succeeding nets you a bunch of halos, so that's nice. It's also worth pointing out that I've only hit two to four QTEs so far, and one of them I succeeded at on accident. It's a one button press, not MASH X OR DIE MUTHA FUCKA kinda deal.

Wall-walking is totally bitchin, as is the Viewtiful Joe solution to beating flaming enemies. I think Bayonetta had a Viewtiful Joe -esque line, but I didn't catch the whole thing, so I'm not sure.

I am kinda disappointed that I get weapons from turning in records, instead of beating awesome bosses, though.

Also also, the two-headed dragon angel whatever the fuck thing from the beginning makes Bayonetta look like a bitch.

[ss]"You've got a face only a mother could love, and that I could never forget. Wish I could remember where from, though."
"Ah well. My apologies. If you are not the one who woke me, then I have no quarrel with you."
Bayonetta proceeds to pick a fight with it.


EDIT: Holy shit, Paradiso is fuckin' gorgeous you have no idea.

That's just awesome. :)

I need to play this now. I think my uncle bought it for 360. I'll have to ask him If I can play the next time I go over there.

Kim 01-08-2010 05:06 AM

Only way the game could get awesomer is if we get to go to Inferno before the end.
 
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Originally Posted by Kyanbu The Legend (Post 1004899)
That's just awesome. :)

It gets better. There are so many references to other Clover/Capcom/PlatinumGames titles it is amazing. Not to mention, when you think the game is done showing you new tricks suddenly you can walk on walls or something and YUP IT'S TOTALLY AWESOME AGAIN.

Also, Bayonetta and an enemy have a pose-off. You really don't get better than that.

Yumil 01-08-2010 09:03 AM

I have more evidence this game is awesome. Link to one of the most depraved tortures in the game. Dont go here if you want to be surprised.
Don't click me if you don't want to be spoiledlinky

Kyanbu The Legend 01-08-2010 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yumil (Post 1004934)
I have more evidence this game is awesome. Link to one of the most depraved tortures in the game. Dont go here if you want to be surprised.
Don't click me if you don't want to be spoiledlinky

That was perfect. :) Really, really want to play this so bad! >_<

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope 01-08-2010 06:29 PM

I just got the demo for the Ps3 and for the life of me, I dunno if it's me or what, but I cannot pull off Bullet Climax.

/edit: This was during the tutorial section.

Kim 01-09-2010 03:17 AM

I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's just that I don't get it for the life of me.
 
Mirai doesn't seem to be enjoying the game, and I'd guess the cinematics are largely to blame. So, with that in mind, I pose a question to NPF, because I've been thinking about it the past two or three days.

What is the difference between Bayonetta's "sexy" and DMC3's "cool"?

DMC3 had terrible dialogue, Dante looked like he'd been pulled straight out of a boy band, and everything Dante did was such a blatant attempt to be COOL that it was nothing more than completely hilarious.

Bayonetta has terrible dialogue, Bayonetta looks like she's been pulled right out of a porn magazine, and everything Bayonetta does is such a blatant attempt to be SEXY that it is nothing more than completely hilarious.

So I guess it's okay to have an teenage girl's embarrassing sex fantasy as a main character, but not a teenage boy's? That seems to be the only difference, so far as I can tell.

EDIT: HRGHBLERGH I give up. Everyone who likes them decided they were funny before the game came out, and everyone who doesn't decided that they were the worst thing ever before the game came out and as much as I think the opinion that opposes mine is that of raving loonies, neither side can really be convinced either way so fuck it.

Yumil 01-09-2010 04:11 AM

The idea is that you know that it's going to be that way from the get go and it leaves you hanging on to see what they are going to do next time. Quite a bit had me laughing just at the ludicrousness of it. I guess I laughed more at Bayonetta than Dante, but yeah it's basically the same thing. Maybe it's because this is the first parody of oversexedness I've really seen or liked, which the too cool thing has been done to death.

It's a novelty.

But, style and story elements aren't what make a good action game float, it's the gameplay and this game has it in spades.

Mirai Gen 01-09-2010 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NonCon (Post 1005202)
What is the difference between Bayonetta's "sexy" and DMC3's "cool"?

Honestly that's just a single facet of it.

What bores me to tears is the fact that Bayonetta seems so happy with it's over-the-topness it just can't get enough of itself. After wading through tons of exposition via As You Know, Bob, terrible voice acting, and ridiculous cutscenes I was hoping I could get into the game, but instead it just keeps going, constantly hammering away at the ridiculousness of it all instead of letting me play.

The point where it really made me annoyed was when Luka goes running, then grinds to a halt, and spends at least a minute looking at someone and taking his hood off, loaded with dramatic turns and camera cutaways. If every character of this game wasn't incessantly posing to show how much they rule the cutscenes might take about four or five minutes total. I can forego some gameplay for good storytelling or entertainment - close-up shots on Bayonetta's ample proportions over and over again don't count.

Then when they finally do stop doing the ridiculous full-motion action sequences instead it's all cut-and-stop film frames because, uh, Kamiya wills it I guess. The fact that Bayonetta actively spreads her legs on a routine basis - seriously, like, all the time - is just icing on the cake.

And really I don't know if the sex-appeal thing can be explained. Let me think about it more before I start to tell anyone what about it's so embarrassingly annoying to me.

My roommate's enjoying it though.

Gameplay itself, great. As I said I'd be perfectly fine with the sex appeal aspect considering once it gets going you barely notice. I'm starting to develop some real complaints about the fighting, though, mostly with the sometimes wonky camera, needless and infrequent QTEs, and sometimes overwhelming flashiness of it all.

Also Noncon I get that you're frustrated but I don't think that reading my Twitter posts while playing the game is the best and most descriptive way to get my thoughts on the game thus far.

synkr0nized 01-09-2010 06:01 AM

my jaw hurts
 
I haven't liked the DMC series, either, since the first one, so I guess I don't know why you're making that comparison, Noncocncojoconnncn.

Mirai Gen 01-09-2010 06:16 AM

I'm 99% sure it's pointed at myself, since I mention the phrase "DMC3" about as often as I mention the word "Videogame."

Kim 01-09-2010 12:02 PM

Better than DMC4, at least.
 
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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen (Post 1005209)
Also Noncon I get that you're frustrated but I don't think that reading my Twitter posts while playing the game is the best and most descriptive way to get my thoughts on the game thus far.

Mirai, I like you, but you are not the only person who does not like Bayonetta's cutscenes, and so the fact that they bother you merely reminded me that I've been trying to think of what the difference is, and that is what caused me to post that, not it being directed specifically and only at you. I usually start writing parts of the review in my head at least a week before I start writing it, depending on how quickly I beat the game, and how to address the issue of the cutscenes is something I've been thinking about a lot.

Also, I haven't had any problems with the camera, but locking on to a target always helps I hear.


Quote:

cut-and-stop film frames because, uh, Kamiya wills it I guess
Same reason MadWorld had comic book style cutscenes, I figure.

@Synk: As far as I was aware, DMC3 was very well received, and part of the reason, I thought, was that it took itself far less seriously than the previous two titles.

TDK 01-09-2010 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris (Post 1004193)
I'd say DMC4. Or old out for the coming DMC123 remakes.

What

Doc ock rokc 01-09-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK (Post 1005294)
What

There is a rumor that based on the sales of the "Remakes" of GOW 1&2 The DMC guys are doing the same with their series...I am waiting for that So i can Buy that and when a near the end Rent DMC 4 and Live happy.

Mirai Gen 01-09-2010 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NonCon (Post 1005259)
Mirai, I like you, but you are not the only person who does not like Bayonetta's cutscenes, and so the fact that they bother you merely reminded me that I've been trying to think of what the difference is, and that is what caused me to post that, not it being directed specifically and only at you. I usually start writing parts of the review in my head at least a week before I start writing it, depending on how quickly I beat the game, and how to address the issue of the cutscenes is something I've been thinking about a lot.

Yeah I can understand that, it's just the DMC3 comparison felt like it. My apologies.


Quote:

Originally Posted by NonCon
Same reason MadWorld had comic book style cutscenes, I figure.

It seems more random, here. Mad World seemed to be going about things in a deliberate comic-book style, hence the yellow and red comic font lettering that pops out at you.

Here it just seems like he thought it would be cool. Nothing about it seems especially film-noir or classic movie stylized but the cutscenes.

PROTIP: Enzo was the name of Dante's agent in the DMC3 manga. In this one he's more like Joe Pesci but still.

Kim 01-11-2010 11:41 AM

STOP TALKING VILLAIN
 
The plot falls off a cliff named Nomura near the end, which really bugs the crap out of me. It wouldn't bug me so much if the villain could stop spending thirty minutes talking in obtuse fucking riddle speak to say nothing at all and not really explain anything more than I figured out. Like, if any of the plot near the end was well-explained, I could probably dig it. I started to get bored of the cutscenes near the end, and, unfortunately, the boss fights are a lot prettier than they are controller-snapping frustrating. The most frustrating part of the final boss is its OHKO move that is just complete and utter bullshit. I have a lot of irks with the game, but it's still a great game, and I'm glad I looked forward to it.

Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope 01-11-2010 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NonCon (Post 1005888)
The plot falls off a cliff named Nomura near the end, which really bugs the crap out of me. It wouldn't bug me so much if the villain could stop spending thirty minutes talking in obtuse fucking riddle speak to say nothing at all and not really explain anything more than I figured out. Like, if any of the plot near the end was well-explained, I could probably dig it. I started to get bored of the cutscenes near the end, and, unfortunately, the boss fights are a lot prettier than they are controller-snapping frustrating. The most frustrating part of the final boss is its OHKO move that is just complete and utter bullshit. I have a lot of irks with the game, but it's still a great game, and I'm glad I looked forward to it.

What would you rather have. The NOmura Cliff or 30 minutes of I don't give a shit science from Kojima

Kim 01-11-2010 11:48 AM

He's so talkative Luka tells him to shutup.
 
Honestly, Kojima, because with Kojima the delivery is solid. That said, I would rather not have to make the choice. Hell, the end villain is more or less verbose as an MGS character, only nothing he says tells you anything, whereas Kojima actually manages to make his characters say something with their half hour of WORDS.

Mirai Gen 01-11-2010 11:49 AM

Preferrably Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaames Sunderland!


I'm not hating the game as much since I actually sat down and really sank my teeth into the gameplay and got past all the introductory bullshit.

Kim 01-13-2010 01:08 PM

He ruined everything.
 
I think it's funny that Mirai and I ended up on different ends of the Will Bayonetta Suck specturm, but by the end of the game, we both met fairly close to the middle. Specifically, Mirai seems to think the gameplay almost redeemed it, and I think the cutscenes almost ruined it.

In conclusion: Fuck Balder

Mirai Gen 01-14-2010 12:36 AM

More specifically I believe that Kamiya tried to make everything so-bad-it's-good and failed miserably.

I still like DMC3 more.

Kim 01-15-2010 11:31 AM

Annie, are you okay? Are you okay, Annie?
 
Writing my review, I realized what the inevitable sequel needs more than anything.

Michael Jackson.

Not only would he have a repertoire of MJ-tastic moves like the moonwalk and crotch grab, the introduction of silly male fanservice would go far to balance out Bayonetta's.

Yumil 01-22-2010 12:31 AM

Ok, for the past few hours I have been trying to defeat the secret boss Father Rodin. Yep, he's impossible... I can barely get him down one life bar, I guess I dont have the patience to fight him or dont have the accessory that makes it easy(f getting all the umbran tears). Oh well, I guess I dont stand a chance vs the secret level either, and I so wanted to unlock the secret character Zero


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