For Science!
 

Move over.....everything that's not cool! Welcome to the future of glass!

Woooo! Future!

Woo super bacterium! Just watch, the enemy of the future won't be aliens, or robots, or zombies. It will be super bacterium that will instantly kill whoever touches it, feeding on the corpses.

Can it really do all that?

Where's Sith?

Actually, this kind of thing doesn't affect bacteria, or at least it shouldn't. You only get super-bugs by killing them with chemicals. This just keeps them from adhering to a surface.

So we could end up creating Spider-Bugs?

My personal favorite was this part...

It can go on plants!

Blues: It's still technically possible for bacteria to develop so that they could better adhere to a new type of surface. Not sure how unlikely that would be in this particular case. It's not extremely likely in general.

Nice. The "Quantum effects" intrigue me... It has to do something with the “thin layer” aspect… But even assuming it was a monomolecular layer, how would quantum come into play there? I’d have assumed the weak nuclear force at most.
I’m guessing that bacteria would have difficulty surviving on it because it provides no nutrients… Though yeah, eventually we’ll get bacteria that can slip through it, should this become mainstream.
I doubt that, though. It sounds miraculous. Too good to be true. The only question I can come up with now, is “How are you supposed to get it off?”, but I’m sure there’s other downsides to coating the world around you in liquid glass.

Also, does this seem rather like something a James Bond villain would use?
“Now, Mr. Bond… See the glory of my Silicifier!”
“What… is it?”
“Just a little project of mine… It will soon coat the moon in glass, turn it into a giant lens and destroy the earth’s atmosphere… but first, it will do the same to you.”
“You’re insane!”
“I have a VISION!”
“Do you… expect me to talk?”
“No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to do a bad Han Solo impression!”

I'm not sure, the article only had this to say about it's longevity:

So when someone falls into a vat of this stuff we'll have an nearly indestructible unholy abomination arise that coats all that it touches in glass - which then either devours its glassed victims or uses them to make more of its kind.

I can think of so many uses for this.

So much fun I'll have spraying stuff with this. So much fun.

The whole "lasts one year" thing intrigures me. What happens to it as time passes? Does it chip away over time? Does it weaken and gain imperfections or something? If that's the case, woud it really be a good idea to use this stuff, as they suggest, in an oven or on other surfaces that come in contact with food?

I wasn't able to read the whole article due to internet stupidity, but is this product going to be dispensed in spray cans? If so, what kind of inhalation threat does this pose?

If it sprays out like water then it probably won't have a fume. Though I'm guessing it either.

dissolves harmlessly into the air

or

melds into what ever it's sprayed on.

But my money's on it simply losing its protective properties and transparency.

This brings me back to watching a version of the time machine, where the main character went into a 1970's diner and fixated on the laminated counter, "I've NEVER seen a material quite like this!"

First thing that came to mind is mirrors, combine mirror spray with glass spray and we could have spraypaint mirrors... they talked about how sprayglass could help minimize graffiti... what if we apply the spray-on glass AFTER the spraypaint?

Here was the major red flag to me though:
WHAT.

That's what I was thinking. I can see the commercials now.

"Have you or someone you know been involved in a job using SiO2 and now suffer from a physical condition such as emphysema or lung cancer? You may be entitled to a huge cash settlement..."

It sure is going to be a brave new era in humanity, think of what we will start to come up with in the late 2010's?
Quantum _______?

There's no true way for them to know if it won't cause any medical problems unless someone inhales the stuff.

Which is exactly why we start coating rats with glass like macabre art.

I was thinking of something much bigger then that.

You know guys, by "breathable," they meant that air can get through, not that you, y'know, inhale the stuff.

Kind of like cotton is breathable, where leather isn't?

Good point, acutally once we have spray-on glass for, say, computers or floors, where does it end? Apply it to, say Pandas in chinese zoos to prevent them from getting sick? Sure. Spray it on your child to protect it from UV rays. Much cheaper than sunscreen. Not to mention potential for development. Someone mentioned reflective, but what if they decided to produce in in various colors? Kid runs at you with a spray can and for the remainder of the year you're covered in pink indestructium.


Though I actually think that breathing this stuff would be ok. Considering it's not, in fact, actual pieces of glass, but individual molecules...
Glass isn't poisonous, after all, just shreds your lungs. And I'm hoping the molecules won't do that.
Though personally, I'm not going to try that.

True, but the concept is still weird as hell.

What happens when the plants die? I'd assume farmers wouldn't be able to mulch the remains or let them sit and become fertilizer, for risk of the chemical seeping into the soil and groundwater... They can't feed the plants to livestock... What exactly do you do with glass-coated plants?

Mauve, it's glass. There's no leeching or other toxic issues any more than with, say, wax.

True. That was a stupid choice of wording on my part. But my point was that spraying this on plants would limit what you can do with the plants, unless it's somehow biodigradable. Even if it is just glass, you can't just let it sit in a field that raises crops.

I don't see why not. Silicon comes from the ground, so it's not likely to do any harm going back.

Edit: To put it this way, glass is pretty much as safe as it gets. It doesn't hurt you if you swallow a marble, so it wouldn't be likely to hurt anyone eating glassed corn. Worst case scenario, it gets into the soil and starts re-forming into sand.

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I'm guessing by Quantum Effects they mean Van Der Waals forces. Its the only force at that level that could really work universally for all surfaces. Basically the outer shell electrons of one of the materials pushes away the outer shell electrons of the other material slightly. This causes a slightly more positive area and a slightly more negative area to develop creating a dipole out of both materials. The dipoles then attract. This arrangement is not actually stable and the electrons clouds will sort of slosh around but the net attraction remains from the induced dipoles remain. Its how Geckos stick to glass. I mean technically Van Der Waals forces are on the quantum scale and has to do with orbitals but the actual mechanics of the forces themselves are purely classical electrodynamics. Calling them Quantum effects just seems to be stereotypical hype.

Other than that the spray can probably do what they say it can. Chemistry labs use glassware specifically because it has a lot of those properties. Biolabs will also on occasion stick with glass petri dishes because it helps keep colonies where they are supposed to be growing. As for UV it depends on what type of impurities they can work into it really. The right combination of slight metallic impurities could give you something quite resistant to UV penetration. Aside from that it could also inhibit the chemical pathways needed for photodegradation but I don't know enough about that to comment. It certainly would be fun to play with.

Sith, as much as I loved your post... I still don't get it.
I mean, I'm sure a lot of us understand the whole "geckos stick to glass because they have REALLY small 1 way velcro on their hands" thing, but how exactly does it go from topical spray to velcro?

If I grasped the wikipedia article correctly, it's:
1: Electrons are randomly distributed throughout an atom
2: Thus, the charge of an atom at different points of said atom varies. (One side is more positive, the other is more negative)
3: Causes faint attraction between this atom and other atoms close to it

Is that the basic premise? I'm don't know much about physical chemistry.

The Velcro on Geckos isn't one way really. The little hairs on their feet are just shaped in such a way that when you pull down they get close enough to stick via Van Der Waals forces. The hairs are sorta curved up at the end so pulling down sort of pulls more and more across the surface like a broom. Pulling up on the other hand peels of one row of hair at a time. The force is only really strong when you have millions of hairs working together so peeling off one row is easy but moving all the hairs across the surface is almost impossible.

As for how it goes from spray to Velcro that is simple. Van Der Waals forces are everywhere and are always active. The problem generally is that the dipole attractive force falls of as something like 1/r^6 where as things like gravity and more traditional electrostatics forces fall of as 1/r^2. It has to do with the fact that the farther you get from a dipole the closer its two poles seem to get which makes it look more and more like no charge at all. Basically you have to get super close and even then its very weak. Geckos have hairs with quite literally microscopic ends and lots of them. These ends are so small they can get into all the nooks and crannies, we're talking nanoscopic variations in the surface, allowing them to basically touch most of the atoms of whatever they are walking on. By contrast our skin and basically every surface is so rough that the bumps keep us above most of the atoms in anything we touch preventing any significant Van Der Waals forces. Now with any ultra thin film you tend to get something that is super flexible which means like the Gecko hair it can settle into all those nanoscopic surface variations. In fact the film actually does a better job because its one continuous surface.

Its not really solely the domain of physical chemistry. Any material scientist from basically any background should know all about Van Der Waals forces. You also pick up a bit about it in standard Electricity and Magnetism in terms of calculating dipole-dipole interactions. In terms of chemistry probably the most interesting thing I know of that Van Der Waals forces do is cause the noble gases to form solids at very low temperature. Strictly speaking the noble gases can't form either covalent or ionic bonds with each other, without some seriously strange conditions. Instead once they get really really cold the Van Der Waals forces get strong enough to bind the gas together into a solid.

Very interesting, so is it possible that we could make something like a gecko carbon nanotube forest in spray form in the future? Kind of like, hang anything flat on anything else flat without adhesives spray?

Cool. :)

It would be a lot better then glue in some cases.

We've already made pretty decent Gecko tape. A spray wouldn't work because once you spray it on a surface the film conforms to that surface and loses its flexibility. The new coated surface will act just like the old one in terms of roughness. Now if you could get a spray coating that would have tiny hairs you'd be on to something but I don't think its possible. Gecko tape is awesome though.

The best thing about Gecko Tape is that Shadowrun 4.0 has it in the rules, and it was released AFTER Shadowrun.

Well, couldn't we use a magnetic field to stack them all towards a central force while still adhering, then once the spray hardens it stays that way? It would be difficult to create a residential or even commercial model, but industrial?

I mean, like, can we coat handrails, seatbelts, ect in something like carbon nanotubes but develop a mass production method that bonds to any surface in an assembly line?

Nah, what we do is produce lots of spray, release it into the atmosphere and let it coat everything. Then we find out it's flammable.

Ah, nanochemistry. So much interesting stuff happens with it. I wish I took the lecture/lab when it was offered last year. It'd be no more harmful than if you ate some sand. This is just Silicon Dioxide (sand, glass) on the nanoscale (where it can form different crystalline structures and has some different properties).

Also, yeah, Sith is dead-on about Van Der Waals. You come to know it well as a Chem major. As Sith said, there's already some work been put into it. The main problem with creating true 'gecko feet', however, is that the nanostructures we produce are not the best self-cleaning. So, they loose efficiency and degrade with use as more particulates get caught in the nanostructures. They are preforming research on this problem, though.

Very insightful! Thanks!

You know, with a little work we could use this to ensure everything in the future is chrome!

Although I suppose you'd be have to make sure to reapply it regularly. Imagine it wearing through in places - that would look tacky.

Very interesting discovery. If it can live up to even a tenth of what they're claiming it's capable of, it will still be pretty spectauclar.