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Astral Harmony 02-26-2010 04:16 AM

Pokémon Umbral ~ Ruinous Origins Discussion 2
 
I assume Menarker is referring to this:

http://ui17.gamespot.com/2512/motivator9334062_2.jpg

Anyways, I'm going to get to work on that response post now. And then I'm going to try and get my mind out of the gutter regarding hot Gardevoir action. I think I'll need a bullet. An exploding bullet.

...

I wonder which egg group humans fall into? Or catgirls? Damn it, Menarker, I hate you!

EDIT 1: Ah, that post didn't take long to type up. Congratulations, Charlotte. I think you'll only get a negligible talking to for your homocidal antics. I just hope you realize that this isn't the last time you'll see Shannon, and you may meet her again sooner than you think.

Geminex 02-26-2010 05:26 AM

Impact's letting her keep the gun, so Shannon better watch out.
I think we just did the pokemon equivalent of rolling a 20. I like it. I will capitalize on it. Can I have a taser? Get in close, shock opponent, they get knocked out?

DanteFalcon 02-26-2010 06:13 AM

I get the feeling that this is where Impact, Charlotte and Matthias are going to start having issues. God forbid the bug show concern.

Though I find some irony in the human not caring, the person with dogs (which can be associated as a caring person though not necessarily) is the one who fired the bullet and the hybrid is the only one who cares enough to check up on them.

Geminex 02-26-2010 06:50 AM

Squads aren't fixed yet. If we conflict, Matt can always switch. Though it'd be much more fun if he stayed.

And my character's a bit more complex than he seems. When we're talking at HQ, more will be revealed.

Dracorion 02-26-2010 07:28 AM

Aw, c'mon. Now I can't Dig through the roof and land in the slaughterhouse that would be the hallway without being completely stupid and irresponsible.

Thanks a lot AB. Jerk.

Menarker 02-26-2010 10:55 AM

... At least I didn't suggest you to look up Ditto.

DON'T LOOK! EVEN MORE NSFW. BRAIN-BLEACH!

EDIT: And having that pic there every time I open the link is going to be distractingly interesting. ^^

Dracorion 02-26-2010 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Menarker (Post 1019829)
... At least I didn't suggest you to look up Ditto.

I hate you.

Naqel 02-26-2010 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dracorion (Post 1019833)
I hate you.

We all do. But we probably love him just as much.

Menarker 02-26-2010 01:16 PM

^,^

That Ditto results when I saw it made me feel queasy when I thought of how people use Ditto to breed any pokemons they only got one of ingame.

Pokemon obviously has a wide range of this stuff from the above Gardevoir on one sexy extreme, the results of searching Ditto on a brain bleach extreme, and the infamous and unusual Skitty on Wailord action somewhere in the middle with mindboggling mechanics.

ANYHOW!

It looks like the entire sniping issue has been negated due to the parking lot group coming to a sudden stop. Once we finish off the electric trainer and the fire trainer is beaten, I guess we'll be fast-forwarding the plot!

Astral Harmony 02-26-2010 02:37 PM

I'm giving Naqel to fast forward ahead so he can join us since Arcanum Darkfire has gone MIA, which is curious considering he now has that Heatran on his side.

I'm going to curse Menarker for getting me into looking up various kinds of female-ish Pokémon on Google Images, like Lopunny. Oh, and check it out, it's a real life Pikachu Pokébrid!

http://i32.tinypic.com/2rz8k5y.jpg

I think the caption to this picture was that I'd like to Lickilicky her.

Anyways, I'm going to check to see if there's sufficient posts (I'm hesitant to post unless I see six).

Menarker 02-26-2010 02:49 PM

Well, you could make a smaller post dealing with the result of the roof-top situation. (Since Drac and I posted)

Anyhow, I'll be gone for the next 8 hours for work. ^^;

rapter200 02-26-2010 04:09 PM

OK back from test related absence, I hate Business Stats with a passion, at least the professor is good. The material hates me though. Anyway quick question AB, can I turn back into my normal self to save those last two battle turns in paradigm shift or will those not be deducted while traveling so I can stay in Paradigm shift until two turn into my next battle.

Astral Harmony 02-26-2010 04:19 PM

Yeah, you can revert and recharge early if you want.

Dracorion 02-26-2010 06:06 PM

Would Sunny Day work indoors?

Geminex 02-26-2010 06:15 PM

We can just blow a hole in the ceiling.

DanteFalcon 02-26-2010 08:58 PM

It seems for the most part Impact and Matthias can actually get along to an extent so long as they both are proffessional about what's going on.

Geminex 02-26-2010 09:58 PM

He's currently shell-shocked by the appearance of the butchered Machamp. He'd never associate with the likes of you, otherwise.

Astral Harmony 02-27-2010 12:48 AM

Try to tolerate Rio and her music. She's got physical strength that would make you think she's a Fighting type Pokébrid.

Naqel 02-27-2010 03:29 AM

Quad damages?
Isn't that impossible without having two-types...

Dracorion 02-27-2010 09:03 AM

Hey Bard, AB said to only use one pokemon.

EDIT: And Rio is, what, some kinda dual-classed Slayer/Pokebrid?

Astral Harmony 02-27-2010 01:49 PM

Rio and everyone like her are going to be special cases. She's not even a registered citizen, let alone a registered Pokémon trainer. There's no evidence of her being a Pokébrid, and she doesn't use Slayer weapons. Instead she uses her claws, beyond superhuman strength, and martial arts abilities to defeat enemies without all the strategy that comes with the Pokémon universe. Fortunately, she won't stay mysterious for very long, and she's a powerful ally, just what you'll need when fighting the Ruin Pokémon and those who wants to use them for evil.

And yes, Ruin Pokémon will take quad damage from Dragon type damage despite being only one type.

Anyways, today's my duty day and I don't have any time to type up a response post, but I will read what has been posted and make my response so that I can send it the moment I'm finally able to return.

Dracorion 02-27-2010 07:44 PM

Mmmmm, Dragon/Ruin type...

Menarker 02-27-2010 08:00 PM

Hehe, only pokemon with 6X weakness to an element. *Parasect with Dry Skin ability takes 5x damage by comparision*

I personally would prefer Ruin/Steel myself. Steel cuts down the weakness of dragon by a bit and resists a ton of other elements, and loses two of its weakpoints, ground and fighting. Also neutralizes the weakness to psychic and dark and steel and ruin type neutralizes fire. This in addition to reducing some other damages such as ice and water and grass in a manner similar to dragon types, giving it several quad resistances.

^_^

Naqel 02-27-2010 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Menarker (Post 1020222)
Hehe, only pokemon with 6X weakness to an element.

Weaknesses multiply, so it'd be a 8* weakness.

8* times the damage puts things into perspective.

Dracorion 02-27-2010 08:30 PM

Throw in a STAB bonus and a Dragon Fang for sexiness.

If only there were some weather effect to boost dragon-type damage.

Menarker 02-27-2010 08:39 PM

Sadly not, but if it was a team battle, you could get a pokemon to do "Helping Hand" to increase the power of a different pokemon's attack by 50%.

Geminex 02-27-2010 11:26 PM

God dammit. All my weapons for Steel, Dark and Dragon are melee. The only ranged ones I have are Ghost and Psychic. There go my fantasies of being a gun-toting badass...

Dracorion 02-28-2010 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo (Post 1020134)
Rio and everyone like her are going to be special cases.

You mean Rio and the rest of the Kimonos, right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geminex (Post 1020273)
God dammit. All my weapons for Steel, Dark and Dragon are melee. The only ranged ones I have are Ghost and Psychic. There go my fantasies of being a gun-toting badass...

Being a sword-toting badass is cooler anyway.

Geminex 02-28-2010 01:12 AM

Nah, going in and slashing stuff isn't Impact's style. He's much more of a "Pick off your opponents with accurate fire and watch them bleed out after crippling them" sort of guy. Hence my desire to get a Scouter that'll increase my special attack.
Unless whatever upgrade Impact gets will also include ranged dragon-type weapons.

rapter200 02-28-2010 03:49 AM

Wow this sucks, me being Rock Ground means I stand no chance when put face to face with these guys. I mean I picked the worst possible typing when it comes to ruin pokemon, oh well, that wont stop Isaac hard headedness all to much. I'll post in when I wake up tomorrow. right now I need some sleep.

Menarker 02-28-2010 10:10 AM

Don't Pokebrids get access to TM moves though? I'm pretty sure there are some super effective moves that are possible for Rhyperior.

rapter200 02-28-2010 12:16 PM

Oh I am sure as well but I am talking about the fact that they could probably OHKO me if I don't paradigm shift.

Geminex 02-28-2010 10:51 PM

Though I totally see what AB did har. A little thing called balancing. Ice, Fighting and Earth are the strongest offensive elements, all of them deal double damage to at least 4 types. Guess which elements aren't effective against Narcham. Yep. Ruin's other two resistances, fire and rock do double damage to 3 and 4 types respectively.

Same with elements that do extra damage to narcham. Dragon only deals double damage to itself. Only suddenly it deals quadruple damage to Ruin, all the more reason to use it. Same with the other four, all of which dealt double damage to only two types, until ruin came along.

And the the types that Ruin attacks are especially effective against pretty much follow the same scheme. Common offensive elements are discouraged. Fighting types get utterly screwed, same with ice types.

Clever bastard.

It'll be fun to see how people set up their teams and movesets now that things have been turned around. The only thing that annoys me is that the weapon I've been thinking of asking for (a dual-feed heavy rifle that can fire cryogenic or HV rounds, with an attached flashbang launcher) will now have to be scrapped.

Menarker 02-28-2010 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Geminex (Post 1020537)

*Insert rest of insightful post*

It'll be fun to see how people set up their teams and movesets now that things have been turned around. The only thing that annoys me is that the weapon I've been thinking of asking for (a dual-feed heavy rifle that can fire cryogenic or HV rounds, with an attached flashbang launcher) will now have to be scrapped.

It is neat to note, and it will be interesting to see how people react to this. However my pokemon build was somehow quite suitable before I even learned of Ruin types and even with its revelation, it doesn't cause that much of a stir for me. ^^ Guess I chose well from the very beginning.

Also, it's true that dragon only does double damage to itself normally, but it also has the benefit that only steel types resists it, so it's basically like a normal type attack that isn't resisted by rock or ghost type. So it's good for reliability because so few types resist it.

But yeah, I imagine people will be scrambling asking for the right to either get a pokemon that is ruin type (Dibs on ruin/steel for me!) or a pokebrid or weapon based on it.

Question. If we do get the rights/chance to get ruin type pokemons, will they have the same sort of moves that the Narcham and its evolved form has at the moment? They are so much more powerful than standard moves such as double lowering two stats with high high power and chance for confusion or a OHKO move with 40 accuracy instead of 30 or the "Hit all enemies on field", and other such powerful stuff.
Will any of the current pokemons especially the ones reknown for having a super diverse movepool be able to learn these moves (if there is a invented TM for them) or something like that. Highly doubt it, but figured I would ask. Heck, hardly any different from Rhyperior being able to use dragon moves or Togekiss being able to use moves from 15 element type (16 if you count Toxic for poison although no direct damage poison moves).

Astral Harmony 03-01-2010 01:50 AM

Whew, finally home. I'll catch up now, promise.

I'm not clever at all. I simply looked at my type guide in this here strategy guide and started looking at what was effective against what. Y'see, Fighting and Ground types are effective against five different types of Pokémon, so I decided to make those types completely ineffective against Ruin types. Additionally, Dragon type damage is only effective against one other type, which is why I made it super-dee-duper effective against Ruin types. Steel, Dark and Ghost types are only effective against two types each, so I made those effective against Ruin types. I know that Normal isn't super effective at anything and Poison is effective against only one type, but I decided not to do anything about those.

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Originally Posted by Gimenix
God dammit. All my weapons for Steel, Dark and Dragon are melee. The only ranged ones I have are Ghost and Psychic. There go my fantasies of being a gun-toting badass...

Reminds me of the game Breakdown, where you couldn't hurt the T'lan soldiers with guns or even grenades and instead had to take them on with your own T'langen powers and martial arts. I loved fighting Solus, the T'lan champion. One of my favorite boss fights, ever.

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Originally Posted by Dracorian
You mean Rio and the rest of the Kimonos, right?

Indeedy I do, though the pervy, muscular party girl Rio and the hotheaded, egotistical showoff Kirie will be the only ones who rely on incredible strength as their method of killing.

Dracorion 03-01-2010 01:56 AM

Where the hell'd you get them from anyway? They're not the Kimonos from the games.

DanteFalcon 03-01-2010 01:57 AM

Frankly in terms of poison being effective against one type, most of poison's attacks aren't direct damage. And debatably it's best attack is toxic and the only type immune to that is Steel.

Geminex 03-01-2010 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo (Post 1020577)
I'm not clever at all. I simply looked at my type guide in this here strategy guide and started looking at what was effective against what. Y'see, Fighting and Ground types are effective against five different types of Pokémon, so I decided to make those types completely ineffective against Ruin types. Additionally, Dragon type damage is only effective against one other type, which is why I made it super-dee-duper effective against Ruin types. Steel, Dark and Ghost types are only effective against two types each, so I made those effective against Ruin types.

Yah, that was pretty much exactly what I assumed in my post. What does your position in the Navy involve?

As for fighting Ruin...
I suppose I could just get a super-powered exosuit...

Astral Harmony 03-01-2010 03:01 AM

I calibrate electronics, which basically means I test their functions to make sure they're working exactly the way they're supposed to. 'Cause electronics that work right despite having warranties that expired before I was even born (and I'm 27 years old if you can believe that shit) help save the military money and can give the accurate readings and proper warnings that keep a ship running and its shipmates still alive.

I know it's an important job and all, but it's still a soul-crushingly boring one.

And the Kimonos have evolved as characters even outside the games. I've fleshed out their personalities in my mind where they're pretty much taken up permanent residence whether I like it or not. White Kimono Tsubasa the workaholic who cares about her friends. Green Kimono Kirie with her cocky attitude, obsessed rivalry with Tsubasa, and giant, burning sword. Violet Kimono Rio who loves innuendos, flirting, and can't stay away from a party or a fight to save her life. Blue Kimono Kiyoka who is Rio's lover, loves tinkering with machines both big and small, and gets violently jealous when Rio is coming on to someone else. Brown Kimono Takano who sings with a voice so beautiful and strikes with a true hunter's accuracy, but has a vocabulary and drinking habit that puts sailors to shame. Black Kimono Chizuru who is the most feminine, most well-endowed, loves housewife-y chores like cooking and cleaning and desires a wonderful husband and huge family. Yellow Kimono Mika who always has her face buried in magical tomes and isn't very sociable with anyone and never explains her motives, ever. Orange Kimono Nyoka who is a catgirl cyborg built by Mika and Kiyoka that uses an impossibly big laser cannon and superhuman abilities to obliterate the most durable opponents. Grey Kimono Fujiko who abused demonic rituals to obtain ultimate beauty and power and ended up becoming a horrid arachnid monster who is constantly plotting nefarious deeds that never seem to work. And Red Kimono Shizuka who leads them and is very quiet and reserved, but extremely lethal and fast with her katana.

And that's the Fanservice Power Rangers-I mean Kimonos.

Geminex 03-01-2010 05:24 AM

Now just make a theme song out of that, and you'd be good to go into the national media. I'm sure that'd make an awesome anime.

What ships d'you work on? Actual high-seas vessels (Arleigh-Burkes, Ticonderogas, that sort of thing), or more patrol boats?

Arcanum 03-01-2010 11:37 PM

Sweet zombie Jesus on a pogo-stick. I'm away from the forums for a couple of days and this thing is still moving along at a fast pace. I'll try to catch up, but with midterms looming I'm not too sure how likely that'll happen. So I'm gonna go ahead and slink away into the shadows, and if you're lucky then the lone snagger will return in the most epic of fashions. Or it'll be something lazy like Mike claiming he had the "flu" or something like that.

Astral Harmony 03-02-2010 01:58 AM

The flu? That's all Mike had? Hell, I've toughed flus out before, no medicine or nothing. It's definitely not a fun experience, but it's doable.

And feel free to return whenever you like. In fact, the signups didn't close when the game started, so to all you new people lookin' in, feel free to ask questions 'n' shit about how to join in the Pokémon-stomping misadventures.

As for me, the ship I'm on is one of the bigger ones, but it just doesn't feel big. Mainly because I see other ships pull into the port, some military, some civilian cruiseliners that are far larger.

Geminex 03-02-2010 11:06 PM

I think I know where you are. ^^

But anyway... Tactical discussions in the middle of battle do seem somewhat out of place, don't they?

...

I'll probably have Impact talk to Rayleen about getting an officer onto the team, who'll then make the tactical calls.

...

No prizes for guessing whom he'll nominate...

DanteFalcon 03-02-2010 11:27 PM

Not like we have a large number of options. The way I see it our officer options are...

Impact: Pro: He has tactical knowledge and can make intelligent calls mid-combat.
Con: Racist against Pokemon/Pokebrids (don't be a hater)

Rayleen: Pro: Intelligent!
Con: Controlled by AB! (No offense AB but that's like asking to be led into a trap)

Pierce: Pro: Doesn't really have a vendetta against anyone else on the team and still has good ideas
Con: Perhaps a bit too cautious

Matt: Pro: He's not a complete idiot and is willing to take the front lines if worst comes to worst.
Con: The man uses poison and prefers to manipulate. How many people like that are trustworthy?

Geminex 03-02-2010 11:34 PM

Well, I don't really think Rayleen's an option, since, yeah, AB-controlled. Posts once per day. Long posts, with lots of effort, that're really fun to read, but still, once per day. I think the officer would be a good idea because we'd avoid having the kinds of discussion we're having at the moment. He could just give orders mid-battle to adapt to changing circumstances. We'd still vote on the initial strategy during the briefing, but anything mid-battle would be decided on by the officer.

Also, Impact hasn't actually said anything against pokemon yet. He will if someone else gets picked (Something along the lines of "You expect me to take orders from this *Explicitive*!?). Also, he's not entirely racist. It shall be explained.

Arcanum 03-03-2010 12:29 AM

Epic return! And I decided to go with a more reasonable spontaneous explanation as to why Mike mysteriously stopped fighting. Hooray for character development! Also I don't plan for the chronic migraines to be as severe of a problem in future missions. Mike just forgot to take his usual meds before the mission, and he got too worked up during the battle which triggered the migraine (blame it on the Heatran!).

But yeah, I'm back much sooner than I anticipated. I ended up finding myself with a nice chunk of free time, and decided to catch up with the RP instead of playing Borderlands, or AvP, or Peggle(screw PopCap and their digital cocaine!).

Astral Harmony 03-03-2010 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Geminex
I think I know where you are. ^^

Signature Technique...Restraining Order Field! Can't get me now, ya stalkin' bastard!

Now, if I did have to nominate an officer, it'd probably be Renny (Menarker) or Impact (Gimenix) since you two seem the most available to post. Pierce and Isaac also have a good chance, Isaac for being a kickass Rhyperior Pokébrid and Pierce because I banged his mom...

...Laugh, somebody.

As for Mike's return, I'll let you keep that Heatran for the next mission. Consider it part of the Snagger's upgrade package, given out early.

Menarker 03-03-2010 01:59 AM

I certainly wasn't expecting to be nominated as an officer. ^^

Hehe, I just imagined the Sharpedo "officer promotion test" as a mock X-Men Danger Room with nominated officers being told to lead a computer generated team that has roughly the same abilities (pokemons and such) as the rest of the team through a mission.

Additional drama to be had for anyone who passes the simulated test, but struggles to actually be a good officer in the "real world" due to lack of charisma or social know-how or whatnot. Doubly true if such a person would actually be a good leader or commander if his/her team-mates actually followed him/her faithfully.

Ah well. :3 I kinda doubt it would be implemented/practical in any manner other than character development or plot point, but it would still be nifty in that regards.

Astral Harmony 03-03-2010 02:30 AM

Post is ready. Eat that, biznatches.

If you want some tactics, note that the Omnisroth's ability is Filter, which minimizes the damage received from super-effective moves. Y'all may wanna deal with the Narchams and Pulverots first despite the punishment you'll suffer from Omnisroth in the meantime.

Menarker 03-03-2010 02:56 AM

... Son of a bitch... (Directed to no one in particular)

This is going to require some really clever tactics... I imagine you guys got some ideas of your own, but here is two of mine.

My best idea is to get my Togekiss weaken so that it is at low health (probably best to do so outside the room by having a team-mate weaken it a tiny bit and using Substitute), use Endevour to set a foe of my choice to that amount of health and have someone else do the finishing blow. Revive if it gets knocked out. Repeat. Say that my Togekiss only has about 5% of health left. After using Endevor on a foe, that foe will have 5% health left regardless of whether it had 6% health or 100%.

Next best situation in my mind is Matthias uses Confuse Ray, Pierce's Starmie uses Thunder Wave, and my Togekiss attacks with Air Slash (It's ability Serene Grace gives it a 60% chance of flinching a foe instead of the normal 30%). 50% to get confused, 25% of paralysis and 60% chance of being flinched. Togekiss repeats every turn, (It has Metronome so it'll get more powerful every turn... if it lasts that long) Matthias uses Toxic perhaps, and everyone else can beat down on Pulverot and Narchams.

But yeah, a god damn tough situation.

Geminex 03-03-2010 02:59 AM

See my post.
See. See Impact get desparate. See him putting his prejudice aside in favor of persuading his teammates to follow his plan.

And regarding the officer issue, wouldn't there be a vote or some such?

Menarker 03-03-2010 03:11 AM

I'd imagine that it won't come to a vote since everyone is in some way a mercenary and the pokemon users only true responsibility is to their pokemons. If an order from an officer doesn't reflect the well-being of their pokemon or make the best use of their skill, it's entirely possible it won't be followed. I somehow think the role of an officer would be something different from issuing commands. (Trainers and snaggers would be picky about specific orders since they are the ones who choose the pokemon's battle plan in the first place via choosing items and moves). At best, an officer would debrief a situation and suggest the course of action intended and hope the trainers build their moves based on that.

Anyhow, delaying my post until a few others post ahead, just in case it looks like my suggestion is followed. Impact did approve/suggest status affliction even asking Matthias to maybe use confusing attacks or toxic like in my plan. Otherwise, I'll see if I can prepare the other plan.

DanteFalcon 03-03-2010 03:53 AM

Toxic would be the most intelligent starter. I unfortunately don't have confuse ray but between confusion and supersonic and stun spore I should be able to keep the biggun irritated.

Geminex 03-03-2010 04:01 AM

Nice. Also, useful. Toxic does an increasing percentage of damage, doesn't it? That'll be... usefull.


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it's entirely possible it won't be followed.
I can't really imagine the officer's orders not being followed. I mean that's the entire point isn't it? When conditions change and factors that haven't been planned for appear, somebody needs to coordinate the team's efforts and try to have everyone working towards the same goal. The officer really wouldn't have much of an effect on the initial briefing and moveset, we'd still agree on our plan by way of discussion and trainers would equip according to that, but when there's suddenly unforseen consequences, someone needs to make the call on how to react to that without the team having a discussion mid-battle. Hence my idea that we have an officer.
And yes, I'm obviously seeing Impact in the role of said officer, but if he were to get picked to take this noble office, his interference in standard battle would be minimal unless something goes wrong.

Edit:
Aaaand rereading this post, I do sound a little competitive about the entire thing, don't I? I assure you, that's not the case. If we do get an officer, Rayleen (and, through her, AB) can determine the amount of authority and discretion an officer has, when one's elected said individual can choose how much of this authority to actively use. If someone other than Impact gets the officer's spot, he'll be pissed as hell, particularly if it's anyone other than Rayleen (due to, you know, the humiliation of taking orders from a trainer, or worse, a pokebrid). I, however, will not.
That will be all.

Dracorion 03-03-2010 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo (Post 1021291)
Pierce and Isaac also have a good chance, Isaac for being a kickass Rhyperior Pokébrid and Pierce because I banged his mom...

...Laugh, somebody.

Pierce's mom is dead, so it's really just deeply disturbing.

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Originally Posted by Menarker (Post 1021296)
Additional drama to be had for anyone who passes the simulated test, but struggles to actually be a good officer in the "real world" due to lack of charisma or social know-how or whatnot. Doubly true if such a person would actually be a good leader or commander if his/her team-mates actually followed him/her faithfully.

Aw c'mon, this just screams "Pierce".

Also, Pierce isn't nearly cautious enough. He severely underestimated just how powerful these things are. Now that they're in the vault, he's gonna do his best to overestimate them.

As for my post, I'm going to wait a little bit for some feedback on this. How about Tyranitar uses Blizzard, Rachel and Charlotte's Manetric use Discharge, and Matthias poisons and confuses the Omnisroth. That way we can freeze and paralyze most of them, and the Slayers have the option of hacking away at any Narchams left with Dragon Slaves or using their LH Launchers to help with freezing.

If we want Tyranitar's Sand Stream to whittle away at them too, then great, but it'd seriously screw over Matt, whom we're relying on to poison and confuse the largest threat. That's really the only problem with my strategy. The only way to clear Sandstorm is Sunny Day, and that also screws Matt. The problem could be partially solved by having Rachel fetch a Charti Berry for Matt. But only partially.

Or if this is too much trouble, I simply call Starmie and start Thunder Wavin' left and right.

How many rounds of Paradigm Shift does Matt have left anyway?

Arcanum 03-03-2010 10:52 AM

Well I agree with Impact's "wipe out the little guys real quick first" plan, especially considering the Gendom generates a new Narcham every round. Plus we don't know how quickly they can fuse together and evolve, so the more Narcham there are, the greater the risk that we'll have to fight a fifth Pulverot.

As for Mike, I could have him either use Dragonite or Charizard to help clean up the Narchams and Pulverots, or I can toss out Heatran and have her help distract the Omnisroth by throwing a Magma Storm on it. It wouldn't really be effective attack-wise, but raging fire/magma pillars right in your face sounds like a pretty good distraction.

Menarker 03-03-2010 11:40 AM

@Pierce: Only problem with the freezing idea is that it's such a low chance and Ruin type resists Ice so you're hoping for a low chance of something to happen when the damage that comes with it is piddling (And isn't Ruin type effective on rock types?). Also, Discharge would shock all the team-mates too and risk paralyzing them too while also being resisted. I would suggest the Starmie idea (which I also advocated as well).

EDIT: Anyhow, I'm thinking of going along with the Endevor idea, since its a faster way to get rid of that juggernaut and thus get rid of the Genom and clean up from there.

Dracorion 03-03-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Menarker (Post 1021355)
@Pierce: Only problem with the freezing idea is that it's such a low chance and Ruin type resists Ice so you're hoping for a low chance of something to happen when the damage that comes with it is piddling (And isn't Ruin type effective on rock types?). Also, Discharge would shock all the team-mates too and risk paralyzing them too while also being resisted. I would suggest the Starmie idea (which I also advocated as well).

EDIT: Anyhow, I'm thinking of going along with the Endevor idea, since its a faster way to get rid of that juggernaut and thus get rid of the Genom and clean up from there.

Well, I did make a few assumptions. First, Dormond froze a Narcham with Ice Beam before, so we know it's possible to freeze them. And Blizzard and Ice Beam both have the same freezing chance. Yeah, Tyranitar would be taking super effective damage, but we have the initiative so it could get off one Blizzard, two if we're lucky next round.

As for Discharge, I didn't actually check to see if it hits everyone, since I remember Charlotte's Manetric using it before and hitting only enemy pokemon. But yeah, nevermind. It should hit everything.

The problem with the Endeavor idea is that it means two people have to step away from the fight and leave everyone to get fucked while they take God knows how many rounds trying to not kill Togekiss. And we don't have HP bars to help us figure out when to stop.

Menarker 03-03-2010 12:22 PM

Hence why I posted, withdrawing Renny and his pokemon from combat. It's too risky to hope that Togekiss can not be targetted by the enemy or with Syncstrike. It'll just take one turn to get set up, since Renny isn't using the same space as the rest of the group, he can summon two pokemon. One can hit Togekiss and Togekiss got his own self-damaging technique with a benefit. (While not being affected by any combat damage)

EDIT: I only just noticed Dante's list of ideal officers up above. Since AB hinted that I would be a good candidate (even if only for the frequency I post), I'll do my own pro and con.

Renny
Pro:
Totally friendly. (Anti-Impact in a way)
Has good ideas. (Pierce resigned himself to following Renny's ideas since he admitted incharacter it was better).
Capable of staying in front due to pokemons having considerable resistances while not lacking in the offensive. (Rayleen complimented Swampert's slaughter. Pokemon team having tons of resists and immunities to swap in as the situation calls for.)
Experienced trainer (Knows about pokemon tactics and moves, thus making him a good choice to command those who actually wield pokemon or have pokemon abilities. His movesets were powerful and yet varied enough to not be near useless when Ruin type was unveiled.)
Con:
Many of the disadvantages of being "young and cute" such as not having overall respect of those older than him.
Probably a bit timid (or rather he is easily shocked and dismayed when a situation escalates above expected danger.)

Astral Harmony 03-03-2010 02:13 PM

I think I overdid it with all those Pokémon at once, so here's an interesting tactic you may want to consider:

If a Pokémon intends to do a Syncstrike the next round, I'll indicate it on the current round. If you can deal enough Psychic-type damage (other damage types will help, but Psychic especially) to the target Pokémon, then you'll cause what I'll call a Synchronization Crush, causing the Pokémon to forfeit both Syncstrike and its own attack for that turn. Against the Omnisroth, this could very well be crucial.

Dracorion 03-03-2010 02:18 PM

I think Matt is the only guy on the team with psychic-type moves.

Menarker 03-03-2010 02:24 PM

Hehe, I imagine that if Omnisroth tries to use Syncstrike next turn, and I hit it with Endeavor then, then being reduced to such low hit points all at once is going to cause it to be Crushed. ^^

Dracorion 03-03-2010 02:26 PM

Well that might work.

Throw in a Psychic and a Dragon Slave combo to be sure.

Menarker 03-03-2010 02:28 PM

^^ Sounds good. With any luck, it'll be knocked out then and there. A dragon slave and a psychic attack when it only has at most 10% hitpoints would be sure to be awesome, even if it has filter to reduce the damage somewhat. ^^

Dracorion 03-03-2010 02:30 PM

Then we just have to deal with four Pulverots and I forget how many Narchams and all their Syncstrikes.

Menarker 03-03-2010 02:32 PM

Yes. It'll still be a hassle, but it'll be doable, especially since we can get rid of the Genom right after getting rid of Omnisroth, thus preventing it from using its buffing techniques and Narcham generating ability.

EDIT: You think our Snagger could try to catch Omnisroth after Endeavor is used? 10% or lower hitpoints might be possible for catching, plus the pokeball will paralyze and damage a bit if it fails. It'll come back fully healed which would be useful as a meatshield and using its syncstrike to attack all foes.

Are Ruin types pokemon resistant to ruin type moves like how fire type is resistant to fire, neutral like how fighting is neutral against fighting, or super effective like how dragon is effective against dragon?

Dracorion 03-03-2010 02:40 PM

Sure, let's give him a chance to do that. Maybe still hit the Omnisroth with Psychic to weaken it a bit more.

I'll go with Starmie and Thunder Wave some Pulverots. And, I dunno, maybe Matt can try to confuse Omnisroth?

Menarker 03-03-2010 02:43 PM

Well, if we're going to hit Omnisroth with Psychic, Matt isn't going to be confusing anyone, since he's the only one with a psychic move according to you.

Dracorion 03-03-2010 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Menarker (Post 1021394)
Well, if we're going to hit Omnisroth with Psychic, Matt isn't going to be confusing anyone, since he's the only one with a psychic move according to you.

I was thinking confuse > Endeavor > Psychic.

Menarker 03-03-2010 02:45 PM

Ah, I see. Using a confuse move during the turn I'm prepping Togekiss. That makes sense.

Bard The 5th LW 03-03-2010 04:26 PM

Sorry if I sort of busted up some tactics there, but I felt that was simply a good way to start off. Considering the Omnisroth is the most powerful thing on the field, I just decided it was a smart thing to take it down by half its health before anything else happens. Now that the playing field is more even, it shouldn't prove that difficult to just throw some powerful attacks at it and down it in like 2 turns.

As for me, I think Impact would prove a better leader through sheer detachment. He is more willing to make an amoral move to make things more simple for everyone. Although that can be a con in and of itself. It just comes down mostly to a character's moral compass.

DanteFalcon 03-03-2010 04:30 PM

In regards to the questions thrown to me

Paradigm shift: 4 rounds left. Keep in mind I have to sacrifice a turn to do it so it would be more intelligent to get off any status effects first and hopefully to Sync Crush just before.

As for the status effects: Best move to start is as stated before toxic because it's a six turn kill (using game mechanics that is) and we have no idea how hard the omnisroth is going to be to kill.

For other statuses I can do stun and sleep reliably. Confusion is entirely about luck with me due to a lack of confuse ray. Otherwise yes I'll psybeam and psychic things like nuts.

Oh and Sunny day doesn't -entirely- screw me over due to my opponents lack of fire moves. It does let me solarbeam every round.

Bard The 5th LW 03-03-2010 04:43 PM

Solar beam every turn you say? That could benefit me, considering Buck also has solar beam in his current moveset, along with several fire moves sunny day could use. Although its up you, since it will bring some pain down on Matt.

DanteFalcon 03-03-2010 04:48 PM

Well depending on how the match is going. If I want it out Matt can use Sunny Day himself.

Dracorion 03-03-2010 07:42 PM

I was referring to the whole "environment affects morale" thing we have going on in this RP when I was talking about Sunny Day.

These things are primarily going to be going down to statuses, and since Matt is going to be our status dealer, we want to minimize any factors going against him.

Menarker 03-04-2010 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior (Post 1021434)
Sorry if I sort of busted up some tactics there, but I felt that was simply a good way to start off. Considering the Omnisroth is the most powerful thing on the field, I just decided it was a smart thing to take it down by half its health before anything else happens. Now that the playing field is more even, it shouldn't prove that difficult to just throw some powerful attacks at it and down it in like 2 turns.

I just came back home from work and I'm shocked and dismayed...

>_> You sure busted up my plan. Your plan was to reduce it to 50% and then either try again or get others to beat down on it. My plan was to reduce it to 10ish% in one attack which also allows for either snagging or plain knocking out before it can get the chance to focus on anyone to retribute. It hardly mattered if it had full hit points on the first turn if you could get it down to 0% faster or safer.

Ah well. Little point worrying now. It should hopefully be ok ultimately.

Geminex 03-04-2010 01:54 AM

Shouldn't be too much of a problem. Though wait, if all attacks hit, so far, we've got... what...

1 Pulverot paralyzed, possibly unable to act next turn
Omnisroth on half health, badly poisoned
2 Narcham probably dead (1 by Impact, one by heatran)

I'm hoping Isaac's Rhyperior can somehow stop one of the Pulverots from acting. Since pokebrids have all TM moves, I think he could use swagger on one of the Pulverots. That'd be a somewhat double-edged sword (cause of its doubled attack stat), but its sync-strike attack uses special, and in any case we could kill it quickly next round. Perhaps endeavor could help with that.

I'd definetly support Princess using thunder wave as well, that'd be another Pulverot possibly unable to act. Though it's only a 25% chance that they're fully paralyzed, so I'm a bit pessimistic about that.

Still, that'd already be 3 pulverots with status effects.

I'm hoping Rayleen and Rio would both chip in and each kill another Narcham, which'd reduce the total number to 2, 3 when the Gendom spawns another one. Rayleen, Impact and Rio could each kill another one next turn while the rest of the team finishes incapacitating the Pulverots and killing the Omnisroth.

We also still have an avaliable Mawile pokebrid... maybe it could try to weaken or even kill another Narcham this round, and just chip in on one attack or another next round.

The only question now is, how to best use the Endeavor technique that Renny's set up?
Omnisroth's already at 7/16ths of its health (or will be, once it acts). By next round it'll be effectively 5/16ths, since it'll take 1/8th at the beginning of its round, thanks to toxin. I'm sure that, say, Heatran, maybe with support from Mawile could take it down by that much. No need for Endeavor.

I'd rather suggest using Endeavor on the Pulverot that Isaac uses swagger on, if he does. Because think about it. It'll be a high-value target, and, more importantly, it might deal enough damage to itself when it tries to attack, that it'll kill itself. One Endeavor, one kill. Good deal, no?

But anyway, let's see what the rest of our group does.

DanteFalcon 03-04-2010 02:05 AM

I'll probably spend the majority of the fight trying to prevent Sync Strikes so I'll leave most of the tactics to you peoples

Astral Harmony 03-04-2010 02:18 AM

What's cracka-lackin', dawgs? I'm home now and my favorite Poké Fable is on loop now, so I'll get cracking.

Geminex 03-04-2010 02:20 AM

Isaac hasn't made a move yet. :(

Still, I'd prefer getting an update now and having to deal with an extra pulverot than waiting.


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