Lets Speculate About E3!
 

E3
A List Of All The E3 Exhibitors. Wow.
This might've already happened, but it's talking about interesting stuff.

Corporations
Sony's got a site set up.
Microsoft is doin' a lot of stuff.

Games
Games To Watch, according to GameRadar.
Metroid Other M
Silent Hill 8
Nintendo to unveil new Zelda
Halo: Fall Of Reach

So according to here, the developers of Silent Hill 8 are not the same as Homecoming - Double Helix. I don't know if it's Climax, responsible for Origins and Shattered Memories, or someone else. (I don't want to get my hopes up and suggest Team Silent.)

So there's that - I like tossing the idea of "remake" around, because an early SH title on a next gen system, say Silent Hill 2 on PS3, would be pretty awesome. Just sayin'.

EDIT New news! According to this,

As someone who wasn't satisfied with Shattered Memories, Origins or Homecoming, I'm hoping this "Vatra" can do things right.

Speculating! But just on Nintendo's news conference, because that's the only one I ever watch!

We'll get to see a non-functional mockup of the 3DS which may have little resemblance to the finished product. Maybe we'll get a launch window.

There will be info on the next Zelda game, though it will probably be along the lines of "One will come out at some point in the future," set to an arrangement of the field theme.

They will talk about Other M, give no new information, and maybe show another trailer.

There will be a long segment about Wii Party with Reggie, what's her face, and two other people playing the ship balancing game because it uses Miis and every conference must include the Nintendo management's Miis.

The Vitality sensor will remain a mystery, but might show up on the floor.

And, throughout, there will be various posturing about sales and whatnot. WiiFit+ will come up.

"After going dark six years ago, 2010 will see a new dawn."

I joygasmed after hearing this. I knew Golden Sun DS was coming before he even said it. And now almost a year later and we have no new information. So I'm really hoping we get something at E3.

The 3DS, some new info on VersusXIII, and the reveal of Kingdom Hearts 3 are the only noteworthy things I expect out of E3 this year.

EDIT: Oh yeah new Zelda that'll be cool I guess.

I think Valve will release more information on Portal 2 and probably Launch the engie update. (if not before then)
possibly more information on the Force unleashed 2 and probably the Indy game that they never released.
More info on Spiderman Shattered crossovers.

I could go for some Zelda, KH, and Force Unleashed love this E3.

Also? WHEN THE HELL ARE THEY STARTING THE OLD REPUBLIC BETA? I wanna know that.

Wondering, hoping, thinking they might try to show Natal doing something actually interesting.

Nintendo: I just want some info on them POKEYMANS. Some videos, pictures of new pokes, whatever. Just something >.> Zelda/Other M info would also be nice.

Man, I want to be excited about the prospect of a new KH, as I loved the first and liked KH2 and CoM, but honestly the series feels too far away from the original premise anymore to stay fun. I haven't even touched Numbery Days yet because of it >.>

Natal and 'something interesting' in the same sentence makes no logical sense whatsoever. Please try again.

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I just sure as hell hope they don't announce the PS4 during the same year I finally ponied up the cash for my PS3.

Nah. I'm not expecting a PSQuad announcement for another two years. And even then, an announcement means a release is a year away at the soonest.

Honestly even a three-year window for new PS3 games would be somewhat disappointing.

Although really, what I'm actually deathly afraid of is that Atlus is going to announce Persona 5 and it won't be for the PS3. It'll be for the Wii or the PSP or even an X360 exclusive or something. That would make me shed tears.

I dunno what you're talking about. Persona 5 with waggletastic minigames for upping your social stats would be gold. But no I'm pretty sure it's confirmed to be for the PS3 whenever it gets officially announced.

It would be gold, I suppose. But I sold off my Wii about six months ago so there would be some degree of dramatic irony if it turned out that the game I most want to play is a Wii exclusive.

(Before this becomes fodder for some sort of console flame war: The Wii was disappointing to me personally, in my subjective opinion, but I can understand why lots of people love it. I'm not here to bash the Wii or anything. It's a system that some people can thoroughly enjoy but I'm just not one of them; I couldn't enamor myself with the controls and the games I played just didn't excite me.)

Actually, forget everything I just said. SUIKODEN 6 PLEASE. If nothing else, this.

New info on Nintendo's 3DS and KH3 is what I'm looking forward to.

I would like to hear about a new F-Zero, but the series is apparently dead so I'll probably just settle with looking forward to Other M.

The 3DS has me curious and it's making me wonder if I'm going to regret buying an XL next month.

Oh shit. Impossible, but until it's confirmed otherwise I'll pretend they're letting Treasure make a Star Fox game.

Hey, no need to smash a man's dreams. Besides, logic has nothing to do with it! I mean, something like a godzilla game where you get to walk around a city tearing down buildings and punching planes out of the sky would be cool.

Probably not the $199.99 cool Microsoft will ask for it, granted.

To be fair, with the Move coming out for the PS3, you could still have waggle and stay with Sony. Pretty sure I read something a while back that said they would be doing P5 for the PS3 finally. Makes sense, given they already did two games for a last-gen console well into the life cycle of the current gen one.

Persona 5 isn't getting an E3 announcement, I don't think. I love Persona, but I just don't see it.

We already have one. It's coming out during the current fiscal year in all territories.

Well, let me rephrase that. They said in the interview that when they did a new Persona game, it wasn't going to be for the PS2 again because they felt it was time to move forward. So basically they said the next one will be for the PS3. It was a wording thing. Sticking with Sony was implied, if not stated.


And I really wouldn't be surprised if they did announce the next one. Persona 4 came out a couple years ago. They had plenty of time to start getting stuff together to show off in that time. Two years is a good head start for a professional game developer.

Oh, I definitely think it'll be announced soon, and for the PS3. I just don't see an E3 announcement happening.

You're thinking TGS?

Maybe? It's more likely, at least. I dunno. I just think E3 and I think major announcements from the big three, and an Atlus announcement doesn't fit in with that in my mind. Maybe it's based on not knowing more about Atlus or E3, so if it isn't as far-fetched as I think of it being, feel free to call out my ignorance.

On the big three, I would like to see some more solid Pokemon B&W previews.

No, you're probably right. Atlus doesn't have the weight compared to Square and the console manufacturers. While their games are good, they're not as pre-hyped as what ends up at E3. TGS is a more open environment.

I hope to see... man, who cares. I ain't got time for these vidya games. I don't really even have time for the games I have, not to mention the interesting ones that already exist that I don't have.

Show me something cool with Zelda, I guess.

This is Atlus.

It's gonna be for either DS, 3DS, or PSP, if it's even in the plans right now.

Why? Because Strange Journey was for the DS and Persona 3 got a PSP port? Okay then. I'll just be over here chilling with all the console releases they've done... Like Devil Summoner, Devil Summoner 2, Nocturne, Persona 3, Persona 4, Digital Devil Saga parts one and two... Persona 4 was their best selling game. Persona 5 is getting a console release.

More because Atlus is a small company with limited resources that sells to a niche fanbase and that thrives in maximising the fuck out of already known technology. Need I remind you that Persona 3 did not come out until 2007?

They haven't done a single HD game, only published. I doubt Persona 5 will be the one to break that trend, at least not before the beginning of next generation.

Also, I was of the impression that Strange Journey was the sequel to Nocturne.

Need I remind you that Nocturne came out in 2003?

Why not? Persona 4 was their best selling game. They have to make the leap eventually. What other game would they make the leap to HD with?

Not really. It's an SMT game intentionally in the style of Nocturne, but it takes a heck of a lot of cues from Persona PSP, too. It's not like it continues Nocturne's story or anything.

EDIT: Looking further in, it does look like Strange Journey is the official fourth SMT main series game, but I hardly take it as a sign that Atlus is only making portable games now. Like I said, Persona 4 sold better.

What this shows to me is that SMT5 will be on HD before Persona.

That, over there. Persona is still a spin-off of SMT.

I didn't say it would go portable only, I said it would go to hardware that feels comfortable (meaning cheap and quick) to them.

Or, maybe Persona 5 will be a hallway JRPG about rebel schoolers fighting THE MAN because that's their destiny otherwise they become evil Personas (and if they succeed they become crystal Personas).

Also no HD Towns.

I know it's impossible, and I know they would -never- do it but I pray for a new Chrono game. If only for the memories.
But I'd love to hear of The World Ends With You Two, too.

Non and Tera, chill. It's not that important.

Frankly, from what I've seen of SMT and friends, they never take full advantage of the graphical capabilities of the system and rather take advantage of the storage capabilities of the disc. They store a lot of data, but a lot of it goes to content, rather than visuals. The PS3 came out Q4 of 2006, which has given them four years to look into it. While I have to say it's possible they'd do it for the PSP, the fact of the matter is that I'd be surprised if they did it that way given how much of a boost being on a console has given them. The PSP is simply not a key pathway to market saturation. It was fine for a third remake of P3, but that was them trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel, not to penetrate.

It's gonna be for iPhone and iPod Touch!

Also N-Gage.

Nobody likes a fanboy.
That said... that Molyneux thing sounds interesting (Milo, wasn't it called?), but if that's gonna be the big thing for Natal. Yeah. I'll pass up on it.

YES. THIS. OH GOD THIS!

Also, they need to show more of LittleBigPlanet 2. I crave more LBP2 info.

Isn't that that simulated kid? Am I the only one slightly creeped out by that? I mean, Molyneux at his most Molyneux, here, for one, with the entire thing being for its own sake, but it's a ten-year-old boy, here. Like what are you supposed to do with it? Use it as a virtual friend for your kid? Parent it? Aside from that, he just looks creepy.

Maybe, but the whole idea behind it is interesting to me. Assuming it works like Molyneux says it will.

Which is why I'm saying: "but if that's gonna be the big thing for Natal. Yeah. I'll pass up on it."

Well, from what I'm reading, the thing is basically like one of those chat bots that you can talk to, so if nothing else, the technology is there. From that point, it's just recreating the words using phonemes, which is an idea that I've been touting pretty much since I came here, so I gotta say it's about time.

I just want some MVC3 gameplay. And more gameplay footage of Platinum Game's Vanquish too. Fable 3 footage would be nice too.

Would be nice to get some Rock Band 3 details, got a hunch it's too early to expect a full setlist though.

Concerning Milo, couldn't they give us something more interesting to talk to, like a horrible fish-man or a psychopathic AI or a Pikachu? I can talk to regular, boring old human beings in real life, with much greater ease than, say, stealing a car or playing professional football. If I'm talking to my TV, make the TV something worth talking to.

They already did that.

Also, Kojima: You will give me more Nintendo Metal Gear goodness.

Oh, hey, look - a Sonic game that might not suck!

Expect Hephasto to make an appearance!

A Sonic game that might not suck, you say?

Hah...

Hahaha...

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Eh, I've seen some stuff that really looks quite good for it, and I've seen some goddamn awful stuff. We'll see how it turns out when it's out. It certainly has more going for it than previous titles.

You know what I'd like to see of what we're gonna get? A Tales of Graces announcement saying they're bringing it over to the U.S.

Which apperently its supposedly going to get released in Europe this summer according to wikipedia but no official word on that.

Sadly his image is so damaged that this may not sell well good or not. Well least Sega's trying to save him. Even though the only way to do this is to suspend the franchise for 50 years (most of the fanbase would have moved on by then). And try again. Or give up on it and promote only classic remakes since Mario's image can't be broke (he's too simple to get horribly wrong more the 1 in a row).

All I'm going to say is, I recently has the "privilege" of listening to the Sonic 4 soundtrack, and boy was that an epic disappointment.
...One of the best elements in the 2D Sonic games was their soundtracks. If Sonic 4 can't get that much right, I don't hold out much hope that the gameplay mechanics or the level design is going to impress.

Sonic could be good if they didn't keep trying to push him into 3D and bloating his circle of friends to the point of Pokemon.

I mean, the simulated 3D portions of early Sonic games where you had to turn balls colors were hard to control and everyone knew it, which is why they were challenge stages. Trying to make an entire game that way and even faster works about as well as veterans of those games would think, only the frustration is all the time and not nearly as rewarding.

I'm withholding judgement on the new one because I think they could stumble over the right idea completely by accident using the old formula and have faith that they already have it from the gesture. Also, the 2.5D portions of newer games have been consistently pretty good from what I understand, so they have the base, they have a system that holds them to the base, and they've shown that they understand the market by dropping all of the extended cast that's drawn the ire of mainstream buyers.

I'm not saying it couldn't go wrong, but even if it does, it'll at least be a gentler, more understanding wrong than everything that came when Sonic Team got swept up in the mindset that 2D is obsolete with the rest of the market. Now that 3D is reaching its limits, 2D is starting to creep out again as the unexplored territory, and it's hitting the market again just as people our ages are looking back to their childhoods twenty years ago for entertainment.

IGN talking about some E3 related titles
Gamespot doing the same
More of the same from XPlay
And now for something completely different.

Wait, what are you talking about? Is this from Sonic CD? I've played quite a bit of old school Sonic but I'm really not following this...

I think it was on Sonic CD, Sonic and Knuckles, and Sonic 3...

I don't know much about Sonic 4 but I hope the minecart level(s?) goes away in the final build. Maybe that'll be used for the iPad version, who knows.

I can FEEL the frustration from here.

Half-Life 3. That is all.

Speaking of Half Life, Portal 2. We all know of it and all but it needs a proper announcement. Like, trailers and stuff.

Given how much of a done deal the graphics look, I'm thinking it's at least going to stay in the game data, even if it gets re-purposed. My guess is it's probably staying, though.

It's pretty much the worst thing in the universe, that level.

To be honest, what I saw looked nothing worse than mildly aggravating. It seems functional, if you know what you're doing. It just struck me that the person playing it sucked, especially judging from their performance early in the level when they tilted it to vertical for no good reason.

You must be watching a different video then, because what I saw looked disorienting as fuck, not remotely fun, and like it had been shoved in their so they could have their pointless waggle level for the Wii version. Like, the first time I watched it I got physically nauseous.

Dude, remember the days when you had to control the camera with the trigger buttons instead of the right analog stick? Read the text on the screen. It's pretty much that. I'd call that pretty much painless, but then I despise using the right stick and stick to the triggers whenever possible.

Just because someone can't manage that and makes it look like it look like a drunk man with an elastic flail doesn't mean it's actually that bad. Like seriously, watching further makes me wonder if this person knows left from right the way they constantly see-saw.

No... No, it isn't. I mean, it would be if you were comparing it to how I'll sometimes swirl the camera around in a circle for a minute or two to make the people watching me play incredibly nauseous because I'm a douchebag, but you aren't comparing it to that. You're comparing constantly rotating a 2D plane in front of my face for several minutes with no real center of gravity as the only way of progressing through a level to having to move a camera in a 3D world to keep it behind your character. These are not the same thing. Like I said, this is the sort of thing you do to the player if you're an incredibly jackass.

They're having to navigate a level with very little clear idea of which direction is the proper direction at several times, back up and then go forward and jump with the screen at a ridiculous angle to move forward, and deal with that constant, nauseating spinning. I'm going to cut the guy some slack until I actually experience this myself.

A small geometry lesson: unless you're flying, your movement is largely in a 2-D plane anyway (jumping generally takes you very little out of it). All this does is take those exact camera controls and put them to what would be considered over your 3-D character's head. It is the EXACT control system I was talking about. The only difference is the view.

I mean, I dunno about you, but when I use the triggers to turn my camera, I get a good deal of precision out of it. You stop pushing the buttons, it generally stops moving the camera. That's what this player was utterly failing to do near the end was to take their damn fingers off the buttons.

This was obviously put in to take advantage of six-axis and wiimote controls. This means trigger controls were secondary. Somehow I just don't buy that it controls as well as you seem to think it does.

Maybe, but the directions clearly say that you use the triggers with no mention of any other control scheme. I'm guessing that that means the player was using the triggers. If not, it still doesn't account for the ridiculous angles they were rotating it to. You'd break your wrist.

Look, we can argue this all day, but from what I saw, the player simply made a bad show of it. Way too much time upside-down for no good reason and see-sawing back and forth for no good reason. It was disorienting because you spent half the video with shakycam and upside-down.

They were using the triggers because they were playing on the 360. It's a level that was crammed in there because they wanted to use WAGGLEYAY and no other reason. As such, the trigger scheme is secondary. The trigger scheme exists only because the 360 can't do waggle. Thus, it's secondary. That's why I called it secondary. Apologies because apparently I need to write a paragraph to explain this without you misinterpreting every little thing I say.

Even if he did, this is an absolutely terrible level. It's a dumb gimmick. It's a dumb control scheme. It's a dumb idea. It is dumb, dumb, dumb. It doesn't look remotely fun, and despite liking another level I saw, this is actually making me consider not getting Sonic 4.

Despite Valve saying Episode 3 wouldn't be released in 2010, some info on it (like that it's coming out January 1, 2011, for instance) would be greatly appreciated.

Unfortunately we'll probably just get more concept art, or nothing.

I'm most excited about the Zelda game, as long as there is actual information about what it is about.

I've heard they're focusing on story first and foremost this time around, and that it'll use Motion+, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

But that's not really very 3D, it's just a different kind of 2D... mostly. But I guess that's not relevant to the point.

Wait, regarding story, I believe I read the opposite. They thought up the game mechanics and then built the story to suit it. All things considered, that sounds like a good approach here, IMO...

Well, on Sonic 4, Sega recently stated that the iPod versions will be getting exclusive levels so perhaps the minecart version will be taken out of the 360/PS3 version. Sega did delay the game to improve it based on fan response, and from looking at boards the minecart level is a major point of contention. Bonus gif:

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What I read was that was their normal way of doing things, but that they're focusing on story first this time around.

I would play "The Legend of Zelda: Farewell Ruins of the Moon." I would play it hard.

Then again, barring something like Sonic 4's minecart level, I'd play any Zelda game, so...

I'm just hoping they fix the pacing this time around. Twilight Princess had terrible pacing... Oh, and fix those goddamn ugly character designs from Twilight Princess seriously fuck that shit.

I still want a full on Steampunk or Cyberpunk Zelda game. I'm kinda tired of the high fantasy ting.

Oh yeah TP had some fugly ass designs. The Oocoo haunt my nightmares. I'm hoping for a few things with the new Zelda

- Midna
- More Spinner
- More chain mace, goddamn those were the most awesome and underused Zelda items.
- A story and feel half as good as Majora's Mask.
- No sumo wrestling old fat men
- No Goron nipples.
- NO OOCOO

Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to go back in time. And kill the Nineteen Nineties. This may cause some paradoxes and the younger members of our forum may cease to have ever existed in the first place, but mine cart levels must be stopped, as they should have been stopped long ago. I'm sure those born after 1989 will understand and go into non-existence happily knowing their annihilation brought abouta better reality for us all.

The Oocoo were awesome. They should focus game on them