Homestuck Mafia Thread
 

HOMESTUCK MAFIA


How to Play:

1. Play to win. If you give up, I will seek a Replacement for you. If you actually begin sabotaging your faction's interests, act offensively, troll or flame people in a way that's unnecessarily ad hominem or complain about the rules, I will Modkill you if I have to.
2. In this game, 'Modkill' refers to actions I take to eliminate players who break the rules. It's just the technical term, you can call it 'Hostkill' if you want. Note that if you act in a way that violates NPF Forum rules, an actual NPF Moderator will take action. If an NPF Moderator bans you, I'll seek your Replacement or 'Modkill' you if you cannot be replaced.
3. Be active. If you are not sufficiently active, I will send you PMs. If you continue to be inactive, you will be replaced.
4. Check your PMs before posting at the beginning of every 'Day' period. Failing to take heed may get you Modkilled.
5. Metagame at your own risk. Sometimes Meta works out, sometimes it doesn't.
6. 'Days' last 96 hours. During 'Day' periods you may post normally and vote on lynches.
7. 'Nights' last 48 hours. During 'Night' periods those of you with nighttime activities need to take the necessary few minutes to log in and send me a PM indicating the action you'd like to take. You may NOT post in this topic during 'Night.'
8. If you have NOT joined this game in the signup topic: Please do not post here. (Exceptions are obviously made for Mods, who can certainly enforce the NPF rules at their leisure.)

During the Day:

1. 'Days' last a default time of 96 hours. I will periodically remind you of the approaching deadline. 'Days' will never last longer. Even if I'm not present, the 'Day' will end 96 hours after it began, and all votes tabulated or posts made after the 'Day' ends will not count.
2. Deliberately posting after 'Day' ends will get you Replaced or Modkilled. I'll accept a short 'grace' period because sometimes we make mistakes, but votes will never count if cast after the deadline. If you're still posting content long after 'Day' ends, expect consequences.
3. 'Day' may end before the 96 hour period passes. Whenever anyone has more than 50% of existing players on their lynch, day will automatically end early with the lynching of the player. Again, same rules apply here as with the 96 hour deadline; after more than 50% are on a lynch, you're not supposed to talk.
4. Do not edit your posts. Period. At all. For any reason.
5. Do not directly quote any correspondence between the player and the host. Exceptions of what you can quote and what you can paraphrase will be clearly delineated in our communications.
6: Do not communicate with each other outside the game regarding this topic, even after you've died. Exceptions are clearly delineated. Even if you fall under an exception, though, you may only communicate with your partners or teammates so long as you are alive.

Voting:

1: Here is how you vote: ##Vote: Playername. Your vote must be bolded to be valid.
2: Here is how you unvote: ##Unvote. You must unvote before placing a new vote (though you can unvote and place a new vote in the same post.) And again, you must bold your unvotes for them to count.
3: If you do not follow these rules, your votes will not count.
4: You may vote 'No Lynch' at any time by typing ##Vote: No Lynch. You unvote that option the same you'd unvote anything else. If the 'No Lynch' option achieves majority support or has the most votes at the end of the 'Day', there will be no lynch.
5: Lynching is plurality-based. If there are 10 players, it takes 6 to lynch. If there is no majority by the end of the Day, the player with the most votes gets lynched.
6: If there is a tie at the end of the day, we enter a Tiebreaker. No one may talk freely; only new votes or unvotes may be tabulated. The 'Day' does not end until the tie is broken.

Claiming:

1: I'm not sure why two of you seemed to believe this, but you are under no obligation to claim your flavor or your role. You've been given information to do so if you wish, and others may ask or demand information from you, but you may choose to do so strategically whenever you'd like.
2: Remember to paraphrase a description of your role. You may quote any information about your character written by Andrew Hussie, but nothing I've written to you myself, aside from your name and title. Directly quoting anything you shouldn't is a bannable offense.
3: I've relied on color-coding a fair deal in the PMs that describe your roles. You are free to post part or all of your claims in that color, but please do not color-code every post you write here. It'll quickly become nauseating for us to look at. (Having stared at the colors myself so long while writing those messages, I've already come to regret it.)
4: It is now public knowledge that all anti-town roles have access to a Safelist of characters they can claim. (They must still come up with their own Roles for these characters.)

Contacting Me:

You may contact me regarding technical questions as to how your own role functions and how the role of any teammate or partner functions. You may also contact me at 'Night' with a brief post indicating your nighttime action, if you have one.
You may NOT contact me to ask strategic questions about what you 'should' do, how other roles in the game work, complain about how much you hate your role, complain about how I've balanced the game, complain about how much you hate your teammates or opponents, etc. Save that discussion for the postgame topic. Talking about that now risks me inadvertently leaking important information, so I simply won't respond.

Cast List:

1. greed
2. Moogle0119
3. Ryanderman
4. Fenris
5. Inbred Chocobo
6. Aldurin
7. Bard the 5th
8. Revolving Ocelot
9. Mr. Bookworm
10. Thadius
11. rpgdemon
12. Smarty
13. P-Sleazy
14. Lumenskir
15. Sifright


You have all awoken in a poorly lit LABORATORY in THE VEIL, a large asteroid belt in the DARKNESS OF SPACE. You can hardly recognize anyone around you, but you suspect that there are POWERFUL ENEMIES in your midst.

You have until 10:45 PM EST on Saturday, July 23rd to hunt an opponent down. Yet if a MAJORITY of those marooned on the station with you AGREE to target a specific individual before then, you may TAKE ACTION accordingly.

With 15 Players Alive, it takes 8 Votes to Lynch

Random-ass guessing time!

First 4, then 13.

##Vote: Fenris

##Vote: No Lynch

I'll just leave it at that.

Hi. I'm John!

##vote: No lynch.

Dunno why we'd be even discussing killing someone right now. Shouldn't we be more concerned with figuring out what's going on?

Demon and Thadius, it's a tradition to have random voting on day one.

##Vote: Sifright because I have no idea what his name references.

Based on the fact that no lynch is a vote which only helps scum I have the first two people on my mafia list being Thad and RPG.
##:Thad
Come on now, at least try to hide that you're scum.

Mo' like, come on, try to learn2vote because Snake has explained that he will ignore your vote if you don't have it exactly how he asked. Meaning that you are trying not to lynch anyone, meaning that YOU are scum. First to point fingers, and all that, too.

A vote not to lynch just means that you don't end up killing off your own townspeople if you have no idea about anything.

##unvote

##vote: Smarty

##vote:Thad

for ridiculous grammar shits.

Come on RPG. Either you're scum or you are being obtuse which is not helpful.
A first day no vote only helps the mafia. One of the towns major weapon is the lynch. If you don't use it you are giving mafia free reign to murder us. We are on a set timer before they murder us all. Not lynching just decreases the timer for us.;
You have to lynch randomly, we have no other option, if we don't lynch cause we might hit townsfolk mafia win because they kill someone every turn and they kno who they are aiming at.
There is a reason that no lynch is the classic mafia vote- because it only helps the mafia. You may hit townsfolk with lynch but you absolutely have to lynch every turn (except in extremely rare and crazy situations) because that is your way of fighting mafia and the odds in the lynch situation are better than the no lynch. Why? Because in the no lynch you have no good odds, you can't kill mafia and you are giving them a free turn and a free shot.
I'm still voting Thad because he did it first and is up to something and I think you might just be being dense but you're second on my scum list.

E:also I'm not sure if you'vr played mafia before. If you have you should absolutely know this and also know the consequences of no lynch vote which would mean you're up to something.

Re Thad Vote- Thad seems to be playing for a self-lynch, possibly has some sort of martyr role. And I'm playing into his hands but it's usually best to just do it cause we'll all tie ourselves into knots otherwise

Not tryin' to be a jerk or anything, but hosting sometimes does that to you
 

4. Do not edit your posts. Period. At all. For any reason.

This is a warning.

Hi every one!! How did we all end up here?! Ohh ohh we're voting!?

##Vote:Rpgdemon

So what are we voting on? :confused:

Smarty appears to have knowledge of which only belongs to game constructs, not players. Attempting to play with, and possibly subvert the rules before we even know what type of predicament we've found ourselves in can only lead to glitches. And if you produce a Missingno glitch, it's a fragile line between procuring 100 Master Balls and permanently deleting your save file.

I see no other course than to lynch Smarty before he destroys us all. Breaking the rules is not a reprehensible action by itself, but it requires finesse, not a SORD of questionable alchemy.

##Vote: Smarty.

Or you know I read the rules.
Two players are actively pursuing actions that are known anti-town actions, that actively sabotage the town.
Why would we not vote for them?

What town? We're in a laboratory in the middle of deep paradox space. No towns here, composed of cans or otherwise, and you are no Mayor. Who - or what - are your sources for this?

##Vote: Revolving Ocelot

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but you're getting my vote for what seems like you arguing AGAINST lynching and claiming Smarty has outside knowledge of the game, when as far as I can tell it's just Mafia game common sense.

are the hashtags necessary to vote?

##VOTE: Lumenskir

My fellow countrymen, we must stop our evil oppressors who continue to throw rules and regulations in our face. These people must be accounted for their actions, for who are they to bring forth these, laws and, requirements for posting. Who are they to tell us what we can and cannot quote word for word, WHO are they to tell us that we need to bold votes! WHO ARE THEY THAT THEIR NAME CAN BE PINK! THEY! ARE! THE! ENEMY!

##Vote: Solid Snake

IC you are starting a war we cannot win. Lay down your arms. We must hope for his love and not provoke his anger.

Clearly random murder is something everyone gets to participate in.

##Vote: Smarty Mc-whatever

He is obviously working against our interests.

##Vote: Fenris, mostly because the tag thing is stupid and he could have just mod-given it a tag instead of being passive aggressive about it.
Playing the game in flavor/character? ##Unvote: Fenris, ##Mood: Ugh

Well considering I'm working against scum interests does that make you scum?

So confusing! I'm choosing at Random.

##Vote: Ryanderman

(You brought this on yourselves. Especially Smarty.)

D --> I take e%ception to you all thinking I am scum. Honestly. What have I done? Nothing. What have others done? Nothing.

D --> Granted when something happens I will be all for a good old-fashioned lynch mob, especially if a victim is of b100 b100d. But until then I urge you all to sit down and be quiet.

The "nothing" that you have done is start to initiate a no lynch which is not infact nothing but it is something and a very bad something at that.

It is only the wisest course of action if you are indeed scum. Which is my entire point.

Even though Smarty is playing the "I'm so obviously pro-town anyone who disagrees with me is obviously anti-town" gambit to the tee, I'm going to ##Vote: Thadius because he is insisting on posting in character. I'll remove it once he stops, or we'll end up lynching someone who posts in [color=eyeblight], but either way win win.

best course of action, as proven time and time again, is to kill someone on day one. Going with a no lynch on day one gives us no hints whatsoever on day 2 as to who to go after. The mafia will just kill someone at night, the flavor text will not hint at anything, then we'll be like "well...we have no clues again, back to square one, but less people".

Admittedly, we'll have one less person on day 2 if we do lynch someone, we will atleast have a starting point if we lynch a scum on day 1, or if townie, see who was most gung-ho about killing or most complacent with just killing someone who wasn't mafia.

It's not the gambit I'm playing. I'm playing the "These guys are advocating ridiculous scummy strategies" gambit. It got nothing to do with me, it got everythingg to do with going for no lynch on day one is stupid as fuck if you are town.

Also lynching Thad has secondary advantage of getting rid of annoying in character speaking.

I'm perfectly willing to abandon the coloring when it suits me.

I'm also perfectly willing to change my ##Vote:Smartass McBarrelpants when it suits me.

See, I have no idea about any of this. We don't get any clues in the flavor text, or anything? I was under the impression that we proceeded based off of those clues.

Also, should we make an attempt at being in character? Does that matter?

As far as flavor text in the night posts (by the GM), it's usually there but GENERALLY (there are exceptions) doesn't single any one person or poster out as being a certain role.

It would make your role pretty obvious to anybody who's familiar with Homestuck, so I would refrain from doing so.

I was trying to be funny. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...-saddowns1.gif

Can't we all just agree that sarcasm funny doesn't work on discussion boards?

You know who hasn't posted? Ryanderman

##Vote: Ryanderman

An inactive player is useless for gathering information as they won't post at all, and its impossible to determine a role, which tends to be a good tactic for hiding if you are scum.

I think less than twelve hours after the game has started is a little soon for playing the vote for the lurkers tactic. But I can see where you're coming from.

I'm going to have to agree with Smarty, though he's also giving me creepy scummy vibes. But giving up the one power the town as a whole has, even for just one day has been demonstrably proven to be a really bad idea in the past. And anyone advocating it is pretty suspicious in my book.

##Vote: Thadius

Um... game started on the 19th, that was 36 hours ago, not 12.

Ha! Wow. That's pretty pathetic of me not to notice that.

Yeah, due to a series of miniature disasters, I haven't been able to check the game till this morning, and so didn't know it'd been up since Tuesday. Saw Snake posted the thread at 7:45 PM, and assumed it was last night. My mistake. And my apologies, you were right to use the lurker reasoning at this point.

It's no problem since the day duration is 96 hours and we have until Saturday to vote.

And I would like to point out that I did drop the in-character speaking (for the moment) and DID vote to lynch Smarty.

So can people who voted to lynch me based on those things change that now? I'd really prefer to not be the first one to die in my first Mafia game.

Changing your vote in reaction to people calling you out for acting suspcious doesn't change the fact the you acted suspicious.

I boil it down to "beginners luck". Sometimes you do awesome, but most times, you suck. This is not sometimes.

Update:

[3] Smarty: rpgdemon, Revolving Ocelot, Aldurin
[2] Thadius: Smarty, Ryanderman
[1] Fenris: Bookworm, (Lumenskir)
[1] No Lynch: Thadius, (rpgdemon)
[1] Sifright: greed
[1] rpgdemon: Sifright
[1] Revolving Ocelot: Moogle0119
[1] Lumenskir: P-Sleazy
[1] Ryanderman: Inbred Chocobo

NOTE: A couple of your votes or revotes did not count. Most notably, make sure your formatting is correct and similarly, be sure to un-vote before you re-vote (unless your original vote was a joke vote on a non-player like Inbred Chocobo's on me, lol.)

Uhh, RC much?

Oops, hit post too soon.

I'm a man of my word, so ##Unvote: Thadius, and ##Vote:Let's Say P-Sleazy.

Oh wait, I see what I did wrong.

##Vote: Ryanderman

Missed that latest vote of yours on the right-hand fringe there.
Still, I account for old votes in parentheses ( ), so that part was accurate.

Update:

[3] Smarty: rpgdemon, Revolving Ocelot, Aldurin
[2] Thadius: Smarty, (Lumenskir), Ryanderman
[2] Ryanderman: Inbred Chocobo, Bard the 5th LW
[1] Fenris: Bookworm, (Lumenskir)
[1] No Lynch: Thadius, (rpgdemon)
[1] Sifright: greed
[1] rpgdemon: Sifright
[1] Revolving Ocelot: Moogle0119
[1] Lumenskir: P-Sleazy
[1] P-Sleazy: Lumenskir

Why does that matter? I mean, if you know what they mean, and they know what they mean, why be all, "Well, you did it wrong"?

Hit post too soon. Like, if there's some strategy to fake-voting, and I'm missing it, then let me know, but I dunno what the big deal is about formatting.

I'm imagining that Snake is finding votes using the CTRL+F feature and including the hashtags makes it easier to find.

Otherwise the bold and the hashtags makes it stick out more amongst the blocks of text. I know I required people to include votes and unvotes on their own lines for just that purpose when I wanted a quick vote count.

Oh okay.

##Unvote: No Lynch, ##Vote: Smarty

Of course, one would think that voting for lynching someone would by itself cancel a no-lynch vote...

##Unvote: Fenris

I really am not sure who to go for here, but as several people have said, we do need to lynch someone. So I'll go with ##Vote: Thadius.

Yeah, it's intended to help me find votes easier (though as already noted, the system isn't foolproof), and also because a rule that's too broad might capture 'votes' people make that aren't actually intended to be votes, and requiring the hashtags and the bold font generally ensures that when you vote you mean it.

I protest!

I see no such player named "Let's say P-Sleazy". And seeing as that is not my name, I do not beleive Lumenskir correctly voted for anyone. Therefore, I request that this vote be removed off my name until such time when it is clear that the vote is on me, and not on "Lets Say P-Sleazy", whom-so-ever (s)he may be (and whom I assure you is most certainly is not me).

I'm not going to be that anal about it. If you follow the format with the Bold and the Hashtags so I can Ctrl-F and it's obvious who you're voting for, I refuse to be so obsessive-compulsive as to deny Thadius his vote for calling Smarty 'Smartass', for example.

(Though that is ever-so-slightly dipping into the realm of unnecessary ad hominem, so all things being equal I'd try to stay away from that if you could.)

But no, despite how I may or may not sound, I am not trying to be the second coming of Stalin in enforcing rules here. No editing is very important, and the vote formatting is very important, most of the rest is less important.

We have a lot of random voting going on right now. As far as I see it we have three people with any level of suspicious behaviour- not a lot of evidence but its day 1.
2 of them are RPG and Thad who I called out for no lynch voting
1 of them is me for being "suspicious in calling people out".
I think it would be a good idea to get a reasonable consensus on one of these candidates, even if its me, rather than just random voting everyone.
We have some evidence day 1 it's more than we normally have, we should use it.

Of the choices it's basically me or one of RPG/Thad.
On the second option I would be amenable to either of them but I'm with Thad at the moment just as the initiator.

Time for IC's analysis of the situation so far.

We have a couple of people voting no lynch in the beginning, and we got someone hellbent on bringing them to justice for their gross mis-deeds, Smarty. Most of their defense has been either someone not sure what to do and the other using roleplaying defense, going on about blood or something. Possible sign that people of royal blood are mafians and low-bloods the townies, unsure yet, depends on what people say. Smarty's last post is pushing hard for that lynch, and has positioned himself as one of our man possibilities of lynching, which feels like he is trying to be the nice guy "If you have to kill one of us, I volunteer" and then no one wants to kill him person, so a good defense move there. Doesn't seem warrented though so why did he say that?

Other things I've noticed in the thread is Bard has a total of 2 posts, both of which amount to being confused and not wanting to draw attention. Mr. Bookworm basically just jumped on a bandwagon for lynching Thadius, and commented that we have to lynch someone, might as well be him. Greed has been strangely quiet since his initial post, I imagine either because he just doesn't have input, is confused about the situation, or doesn't wish to draw attention to himself.

Strangely enough, another thing I've seen done in mafian games past is people joke and have fun in the beginning, as you make someone laugh and they will think a better thought about you, as even humor can be a good defense. Fenris had a little fun poking at the tag, though I'm not sure that would amount. Hell I'm guilty of that too, but make of that what you will.

After reading over the thread a couple times, I'm going with this

## Unvote: Ryanderman
## Vote: Bard

I'm not volunteering for the lynch, I'm the vote leader and people ahve commented tht I give of scum vibes so I thought I had to put my name up there.
My subreason for pushing for a consensus on someone was that currentely I'm going to be lynched so I wanted people to consolidate their votes more and vote for 1 or 2 candidates which might still be me but hopefully will be someone else.
Just kicking up some activity really.

Your reasoning on Bard is pretty solid but he's not massively active around the rest of the forum so I don't know how much his posts are general inactivity and how much are sneaky scum intention hiding.

I'm trying to weigh up who to change my vote to, Thad, RPG, Smarty and Bard all seem like reasonable choices. Sifright was just a random day one pick.

Anyway,

## Unvote: Sifright
## Vote: Thadius

Let's see what shakes out.

Notable(?): Fenris said that posting in character would point out your role to anyone familiar with Homestuck, and it's inadvisable. Would this be reason to believe that he's scum? Since I can really only think of DD, SS, CD, and the other Midnight Crew person (Maybe the Felt, too?) as a role that would really be obviously scum/obviously set in one role. Any of the other characters, I could see going either way.

What else was there to say? I just voted and decided to wait for the results.

Keep in mind that I have stated repeatedly that I am wholly unfamiliar with Homes and the sticking thereof.

Well, I have no idea then.

I actually thought that I was really clever for that realization. :(

He's clearly a closet reader.

Probably even ships.

So, day ends in 5 hours. We really need a lynch. If the majority is leaning towards Smarty, lets go with Smarty, and we can always kill Thadius tomorrow if he turns out to be a townie. ##Unvote: Thadius, ##Vote: Smarty. Need 3 more votes for a plurality by my count.

Also, Snake, uh.

That part would have been helpful.

Psh, Bookworm forgot a rule while reminding me about a rule I forgot, I guess that cancels itself out.

Anyway, a little less than three hours before deadline.

...Note to self: Don't end 'Days' on Saturday nights anymore.

DAY HAS ENDED.

Update will be up momentarily.

"We don't know anything just yet. I'd rather not kill anyone," a voice cried out in the darkness.

"I concur," said another voice.

This answer did not please Smarty. "We have to take action and kill someone," he said.

"Sure," came the collective response, from several in the crowd. "So long as that someone is you."

Yet as the masses in the laboratory advanced on Smarty, a MYSTERIOUS FORCE INTERVENED and caused them all to stumble and trip on themselves. Everyone proceeded to spend the rest of the day FALLING DOWN A NEVER-ENDING FLIGHT OF STAIRS.


NO ONE HAS DIED TODAY.

Final Tally:

[5] Smarty: rpgdemon, Revolving Ocelot, Aldurin, Thadius, Bookworm
[3] Thadius: Smarty, (Lumenskir), Ryanderman, (Bookworm), greed
[1] Ryanderman: (Inbred Chocobo), Bard the 5th LW
[1] rpgdemon: Sifright
[1] Revolving Ocelot: Moogle0119
[1] Lumenskir: P-Sleazy
[1] P-Sleazy: Lumenskir
[1] Bard the 5th LW: Inbred Chocobo
[0] Fenris: (Bookworm), (Lumenskir)
[0] No Lynch: (Thadius), (rpgdemon)
[0] Sifright: (greed)

It is now NIGHT. Night will last 48 hours.
Please submit all nighttime actions to me via PM.
You may also submit technical questions regarding your actions and how they work, but not strategic questions regarding what you *should* or *should not* do with them.

You may not post in this topic until 11:30pm, Monday the 25th EST.
At that point 'Day 2' will begin. If you do not submit your actions by 11:10pm on Monday, you will have forfeited your ability to act 'tonight'.

'Day 2' will start momentarily.

DAY TWO

As everyone awoke from a nighttime's slumber after tumbling down a seemingly endless flight of stairs, it was quickly noticed that one of the fifteen survivors in the laboratory had perished some time after the fall.

The message "I HATE YOU ALL" had been scribbled in cherry-red blood next to the corpse. No one could tell whether the message had been written by the victim or the murderer; he always the kind of man who feigned hostility where none existed, and pretended to despise those he secretly cared for and admired. Sadly, the young troll would never have the chance to tell his friends how he truly felt. Nor would he have the opportunity to wreak vengeance upon his enemies.

Many terrible romantic comedies would be watched today in his honor. Yet upcoming days would still feel so barren and empty without a barrage of insults shouted mercilessly from the Knight of Blood.

GOODBYE, IDIOTS.

greed has DIED. He was Karkat Vantas, TOWN Vanilla.


Survivors:

2. Moogle0119
3. Ryanderman
4. Fenris
5. Inbred Chocobo
6. Aldurin
7. Bard the 5th
8. Revolving Ocelot
9. Mr. Bookworm
10. Thadius
11. rpgdemon
12. Smarty
13. P-Sleazy
14. Lumenskir
15. Sifright

The Dead:

[N1] greed: Karkat Vantas, TOWN Vanilla

You now have until 11:45pm on Friday, July 29th to agree on a lynch.
With 14 alive, it takes a majority of 8 to lynch.

...Septuple posting?

Whelp, time to go look through day one and see what turns up.

He died the way he lived.

and how was that?

Angry

This does confirm one thing I was wondering, though, that there's not an SK, since only one person got killed.

Now to wait for someone else to start a Vote movement so I can bandwagon and then get accused of being scum wheeeeee.