My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia
 

The Factions

• There is the town. The town wins when all threats to the town are eliminated.

• There is a mafia. The mafia wins when the mafia comprises half of the remaining members.

• There is a cult. The cult wins when that cult comprises all of the remaining members.

• Any self-aligned players win when they are the last pony standing.

• IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING YOUR ROLE, ASK ME!

The Times of Day

Day
-Votes are held during this time as to who is "lynched" that day.
-Should a "lynch" fail, that day's "lynch" is over.
-Days last for an amount of time that will be announced by myself. I'm obnoxiously busy, so they will probably be pretty long.
____(This means that if you are able to sway the majority off of you before I count the votes, you still live.)

Night
-All night roles are sent in during this time.
-You may not post in the thread.
-Nights last for a duration that will be announced by myself, and will end according to my schedule.

How to Post

-To Vote, you type Vote: NAME. It must be Bolded or it will not be counted.
-To Unvote, you type Unvote: NAME. It must be Bolded or it will not be counted.
-To HoS (Hoof of suspicion), you type HoS: NAME. It means nothing other than an easy way to see "I'm looking at you."
-When you vote or unvote, you must separate that line from the rest of the post. Unvotes and votes may be on the same line.
-When you unvote somepony, you must list their name directly following the unvote.

The Players

In Ponyville



4. Karesh


7. Sifright

9. Verifiedz
10. Earl

12. Gregness
13. rpgdemon
14. Ravashak



18. Revolving Ocelot


21. IHateMakingNames


On The Moon
11. Mr. Bookworm, Sweetie Belle, Cutie Mark Crusader - GM Moon'd Day 1
16. Geminex, Applejack, Element of Honesty (Bodyguard) - Moon'd by Mayoral Decree, Day 2
3. Nikose, Carrot Top, Possessed (Mafiate) - Purified, Day 3
22. Oron, Nightmare Moon, Mafia Don - Banished/Imprisoned/fuck you guys, Day 4

In The Forest
8. Smarty McB - Led Astray Night 1
5. Solid Snake - Led Astray Night 2
15. Hawk - Led Astray Night 3

Turned to Stone
2. P-Sleazy - Petrified Night 1
5. Solid Snake - Petrified Night 2
17. Ryanderman - Petrified Night 3
6. greed - Petrified Night 4

Cleaning House
19. Bob Dole - Grounded Night 1
20. Fawfulcopter - Broke the Fourth Wall Night 2
1. Bard - "The horror, the horror!" Night 3

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My Little Pony~
My Little Pony~

Ahh ahh ahh ahh...

Princess Celestia trotted up to the stage in the midst of a confused Ponyville town square. She looked at the crowd of terrified ponies, and cleared her throat.

"My little ponies, there is no need for such alarm. While it may be true that Nightmare Moon is back, we have not only tracked her position to Ponyville, she is unable to spread eternal night over Equestria as long as I am here. Unfortunately, we are unable to pinpoint exactly which pony the Nightmare is residing in this time, but we are positive that with your help, we will be able to send it back to the moon, and permanently.

"Ponies, please help find the Nightmare and her cohorts! The fate of Equestria depends on it!"

It is now Day One. Deadline sometime. 12 to lynch.

Friendship the Hell Out of: Solid Snake

he knows what he did

Neigh

Don't think anyone in particular wants to put themselves out there in the first post, so I'll do it. It seems random lynch is the 'thing' everyone does, so I'll cast a vote

Vote: IHateMakingNames because damn I hated typing that.

I kind of want to vote the people who were mafia last game, just 'cause.

Will we get notification before the deadline, or will it come all of a sudden?

In that case, I'll

Vote: Bard The 5th LW

for making himself such an obvious target and showing a newbie such as myself how things are done. Thanks dude!;)

Friendship the hell out of: Hawk.

Hawks are a natural predator of adorable things. Ponies included.

Does Friendshipping the Hell out of someone count as a vote, Fenris? Since I am totally friendshipping the hell out of people instead of voting if it does.

Unvote: IHateMakingNames

Friendshipping the hell out of: IHateMakingNames

Needed to be rectified

...You know just out of predictability I'm willing to wager that Snake is Pinkie Pie of the Mane 6 and probably has a special power. That's not anything in game that's just, Fenris is bad at things and would totally do that.

I'll consider it.

Oh, and you will.

Ok, so I totally reported fenris on accident.

A,lso your more likely to find scumin the previous games non-scum.

Exactly what I'd expect a SCUM to say!

Honestly, I figured it was done by random chance. Like, generate a bunch of random numbers that correspond to the list of players.

Can we refrain from reporting posts that aren't breaking any rules?

It is. Which makes anypony trying to associate a conspiratorial doctrine of correlation between previous roles rather suspicious.

Hoof of Suspicion: That Sleazy pony.

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/a...nkie-mad-2.gif

Friendshipping the hell out of: Bard The 5th LW

Today marks the start of a great feud.

Vote: Oron
For being suspiciously quiet. I'm working my up the list because going down lists is what communists do.

Never fear, for I am here! I will be quiet for a little bit, though. I've been in exam mode all week.

But nevermind that!

Friendship the Hell Out Of: Smarty McBarrelpants

Someone must sway you from your methodical ways!

Oh man something is clearly just the fuck up with Smarty.

Offer whimsical night of trotting and magic as apology to: Solid Snake

Friendship the hell out of: Smarty McBarrelpants

Unvote: Oron
Vote: Fawfulcopter
Moving my way up the list!

I don't understand these strange offers of friendship. I'm confused.
make rainbow at: Oron
Am I doing it right?

Oron is not being anywhere NEAR QUIET ENOUGH NOW. D:<

Friendshipping the hell out of: Oron~!

Its only been like, 3 pages guys. I don't know if amount of general noise can really be taken into account yet.

BARD IS SPEAKING AGAIN

UNFRIENDING: ORON

FRIENDSHIPPING THE HELL OUT OF: BARD

Vote: Bard

This is clearly page 1 only a nightmare mafia cultist pony would think it was page 3!

FRIENDSHIPPING THE HELL OUT OF: Smarty

Because
a) he isn't one of the herd and
b) I'm pretty sure smarty breaks things.

UNFRIENDSHIPPING: BARD

VOTE: SMARTY

BITCHES I DON'T NEED REASONS IT'S DAY 1.

Good job, ponies, we got a nice bandwagon going on here, let's keep it rolling forward.

Vote count:

IHMN 1
Bard

Bard 3
Hawk
IHMN
Sifright

Hawk 1
Karesh

Fawful 1
Smarty McB

Smarty McB 4
Oron
Bookworm
Geminex
Nikose

12 to lynch, deadline sometime.

Unvote: Smarty.

Friendshipping the hell out of: Solid Snake

:dance:

I counted it as a vote. I'd prefer "votes" to "fthoo" but whatevs.

e: I mean I can't be a huge dick about stuff in a pony game. That'd just be wrong.

Unvote: Hawk

FTHOO: Solid Snake

Cause that was nowhere near smart enough to make me think that anything else we do on Day One is stupid.
There's literally no evidence to go on so taking the first lynch seriously is pretty silly.

The only reason that there is "no evidence to go on" is apparently that everyone on NPF has decided that it's totally cool to play an utterly uneventful and lazy D1 in which pressure is rarely if ever logically applied, claims are never asked for before lynches, and Scum can easily ensure a Town death because they're the only ones with the slightest idea of what's going on.

I've played Mafia on other Boards.
In other communities, D1 can lead to legitimate questions being asked and pertinent information being deciphered merely by asking for justification of actions.
If nothing else, EVEN IF a Townie is eliminated on D1, if you pressure folks on D1 you'll have evidence from D1 that you can reflect on during D2. Knowing the reasoning behind why Person X voted for Person Y will help you later justify whether that person was acting rationally as a Townie at the time or if he was totally scummy.

Really, there is only one reason for you to be eager to vote off anyone who's trying to take the game seriously, and that's because you're an Anti-Town role who will directly benefit from indirectly discouraging Townies from taking the game seriously lest they become a target the minute they start demanding that people act intelligently.

And I'm sticking to my guns on this one. I don't care if he's Scum or Town or what, gunning after Smarty for acting "weird" on D1 is just about the worst play you could possibly make because it's a Null-tell. You should expect Smarty to act weird and draw attention to himself D1 because that is what he does, and he would do the same whether he's Scum or Town.

Stop playing the game in such a way that rewards inactivity and discourages intelligence and maybe we can actually win for a change.

Oh right forgot about this.

FTHOO: Solid Snake

I accuse 'em of the crime of building a wall of text in a small reply neighborhood.

Hey on the bright side we are not attacking Smarty anymore.

Victory in the battle of mafia is a tertiary objective to winning the war of fun.

I feel like you could have just as easily made an intellectual contribution without making the incredibly unintelligent assertion that we're all stupid for playing a game like it's a game.

Somehow I sense this could very well be a trap.

Ramary confirmed for Dark Lord of the Sith.

So you're conceding that you're letting a personal interpretation of perceived hostility or the slight of an imagined offense dictate your perception as to whether I'm Scum or Town? Because, let's face it, assuming you have even the slightest degree of respect for my Mafia playing abilities, you'd essentially be conceding that the manner in which I've just now acted is not how I would have behaved if I were actually Scum. Because if I was Scum and I just insulted everyone for the mere sake of insulting everyone, my Scumteam would have every right to justifiably think I was the most stupid Mafia player in human history for creating a ruckus and drawing attention to myself when I could have just been inactive and escaped scrutiny.

Hell, I even had the perfect excuse to be inactive and skirt through D1. I hadn't posted in more than a week, maybe two weeks. And it'd make perfect sense for me to act on the exact strategy that was so successful for Scum last game if I was, in fact, Scum; namely, you're concentrating on the active players and letting inactives and barely-actives skirt under the radar, which is exactly what's happened before, so as Scum assuming I had two brain cells in my head I'd keep my mouth shut, say vaguely noncommittal, noncontroversial things if necessary and skirt by until / unless I was pressured.

You see I don't blame you for being offended by the fact that I basically insinuated y'all were stupid but I do blame you for interpreting the personal slight as 'Scummy behavior.' It isn't. The reality of the matter is the only reason you're voting against me now is that your panties are twisted because I dared insinuate you guys were playing a poor game. That's anti-town logic. You're not voting me off because you legit think I've been assigned a Scum role, you're just voting me because you don't like the way I'm playing the game.

Again: anti-town logic. You'll kill a lot of increasingly frustrated or angry Townies that way as opposed to actually killing off Scum, who will be very friendly and agreeable as they have the benefit of additional information to inform their decisions and they won't need to take risks and say controversial things in order to garner information as to who's Town and who isn't. You shouldn't be worried about the controversial players. You should be worried about those who tell you how great you're doing and how comfortable they are with your play. They're the ones with daggers behind their roses.

I haven't once insinuated that you're scum, or even that I really am all that upset that you called our actions stupid. If you'd actually gotten to the point where you'd be lynched for it I personally would have called my vote off. Same thing with Hawk, actually. The only reason my vote stayed on him was because there's no chance of it actually coming to a head.

But about that last game, who was inactive? Sure, some of them were, but I recall Fenris and one other wasn't playing the inactive game at all. Hell, Fenris fucking skirted suspicion like a champ precisely because he wasn't inactive. He called historical precedent of his guilt over being too nice and the suspicions of the town to his and his groups advantage and we all went for it hook line n' sinker. So don't expect me to just buy into the idea that A mafiate will never ever dare draw attention to themselves. Because the safest place to be for a mafioso isn't the shadows where a stray bullet might hit. Where you want to be is leading the fucking town.

Which, hey! Is exactly what you're trying to do. Whether you want to admit to it or not you've swooped in and declared we're all bloody stupid and you're the only one who can lead us out of the darkness.

Everybody!
Friendship! Magic! Ponies! You're making fluttershy cry!

Edit:
See?
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/...1022811504.gif

That crying fluttershy is awfully convincing.

I think a case could be made for Smarty being scum though. If we assume that the roles are assigned at random, then he has just as much a chance of being scum as Snake or myself. If anything, his 'act like scum' thing might be a sort of diversionary tactic.

On a less serious note, I found Smarty's avatar for this game.

http://gallery.fanserviceftw.com/_im...ia%20tagme.gif

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...pony_28900.gif

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...pony_29428.gif

Well, I get some time to check on this and find lots of pink text. Huh.

Snake's arguments make sense, and I know he tends to be the "take it (a little too) seriously" type, so he probably isn't just being crazy. However, I don't have any experience playing mafia with Snake yet, so I won't just follow along and unvote Smarty right away until something actually develops, here.

I would like to see some more discussion here other than the two-to-three man conversation that's going with a couple guys making a quip every now and then. I know it's Day 1, but it would be nice to get the ball rolling so we don't just vegetate and miss anything.

So... Snake/anyone else who's active, what should the course of action be? Smarty is being weird, but he always is! Who else could we pick on?

Now, back to partyin', partyin' (yeah!)(not really).

I think I can safely say that Snake's argument against Karesh is strong evidence in favor of Ramary's suspicion that Snake's earlier post was a trap designed to provoke a reaction that could be used to determine scumminess. Whether Snake is Mafia himself, looking to latch onto anything he can use to build a reasonable appearing fake case against a townie, or whether he is Town aligned, truly hoping to catch a mafiate out, I don't know. I'm inclined toward the latter, as if he was mafia, when the person he accused is shown to be town after their death, suspicion would turn back toward him, which would be an undesirable outcome. It would make more sense for him, as a mafiate, to more subtly push the vote toward someone else.

Either way, he's playing at least two levels above me.

Eh. I still don't think Fenris is inventive enough to make Snake anyone but Pinkie Pie. Just throwin' that out there. xD

It would fit pretty perfectly.

For now:

FTHOO: Ramary

Due to suspicion of being the Dark Lord.


Also, Snake, replace "anti-town" with "anti-American" in all your posts.

I just blew your mindhttp://gifsoup.com/view/31155/master-exploder-o.gif

Fenris, do scum have a role to hide behind, like they did in Snake's game?

Else, could we just do a "role call" (Hehe, I am clever), and figure out who's duplicating someone else's role? Granted, this would involve disclosing a lot of information to the scum (Mainly through guesswork as to which characters might have powers), but if everyone was on board, we might be able to swing it. We'd need full activity though, as idlers would light up as a false positive.

I'm not answering that.

Despite totally answering that and then deleting the post.

The role call idea is an interesting idea, could work could backfire. Beofre we attempt it we woud need two things- firstly we'd need eevryone on board and active and secondly a god idea of the kind of roles that are floating around- like a rough item of scum roles would be useful so we can run some quick maths on how a role cal should work out

I feel ashamed for not finding this thread sooner (I've been using the "Today's posts" button intermittently for about a week now). More so for having to let my eyes be raped by pink walls of text.

Friendshipping the Hell Out Of: Solid Snake

Reasoning is that you're trying your hardest to be the helper (which some of the scum took a crack at in the last game) and I am not getting fucked over by the tutorial guy again.

You can tell this is my first game
 

I feel like I'm stuck in the middle of a 30 Xanatos Pileup here, and I have no idea who's running what gambits or even what level they're playing them at!

So for now I'm just gona stick with my original vote, as it does no harm to anyone and it's safer than taking a blind stab in the dark, especially since Snake made a convincing post to change votes double-backwards-sideways on myself! (Yes, I am actually confused at this point). On the one hoof, I can see Snakes point, on the other, it could be a trap (which may have backfired now). So I'm taking a third option and ignoring it for now.

Couple of questions I forgot to ask though; Do we have any idea of the ratio of town to scum, and do the scum get told who else is on their side straight away? Or are we all completely blind right now? I presume they know their teammates, in which case that might make mean Snake was trying to save his ally from being lynched by encouraging people to play "sensibly", which then backfired and made him look more suspicious instead. Of course it could just be Snake being Snake and taking thigs way too seriously. But then he could be using that as a ruse to convince us he's something he's not. But then, knowing that somebody might suspect that ruse, he could be instead being playing it totally straight! Nobody ever suspects the triple bluff! Or maybe they do in this game, I dunno.

I think scum know who they are straight away and can vote as a cohesive block to begin with, however scum often don't do so on the first day to try delay the point at which you can see a voting pattern appear unless ofcourse they have to break a tie on a potential vote between a mafiate and townie member.

Edit: we don't know town to scum ratio, and you are correct in that snake could very well be trying to save smarty as they are both scum. However we don't have the information available to conclusively say one way or the other it's certainly suspicious but that isn't really enough to warrant a lynch unless some one starts putting forth a more convincing argument.

The "scum" are actually several different factions, most of them working against each other. Those within the factions know who the others are, yeah.

We can guesstimate the number of scum, though.

The Mafia is usually 5 members, though I've seen 4 or 6 before. The cult is almost always just the one cult leader on day 1. "Self-aligned players" usually means that there's a serial killer somewhere.

So assuming no other scum (which is a dangerous assumption to make), we're looking at a base ratio of 31.8% scum. Course, that grows pretty damn fast as the nights go on, townies die, and the cult recruits people.

Most games I've played have scum around 25% of the town starting out. I'm going to guess we have 4 mafia and 1 cult. Could be 1 mafia.
Re the me bandwagon: Obviousy I don'tagree with it. And I'm a pretty active poster and will make lots of posts/ie give lots of information so if I were to be scum you would get information to use against me. I'm not capable of cruising under the radar and thus for a day 1 low information boot I am a terrible terrible choice.

So, people who haven't posted, why have you not posted? There are a fair number of you, from my rough remembering things.

Before lynching someone who is giving information to us, even if it's an attempt to be misleading, why aren't we taking out people who aren't really interested in the game (And thus won't be too torn up over being the first lynch), and aren't giving us ANYTHING to work on? They're not even helping voting swing in our favor, they're just filling space. The only downside to falsely taking one of them out is that we miss a kill on scum.

HOS: rpgdemon

Killing off the inactives is a very easy way for scum to even the odds of victory with out offending any of the townies and it's exactly what scum tried to pull last game. Hmmm

Killing off an inactive player falsely doesn't do much for the scum as far as I see it. It doesn't tip the ratio towards them, as the inactive player didn't really "have" a vote to begin with.

In terms of what the town gains versus what the scum gains, we serve to gain more by killing off an inactive player than they do. We could hit them, when they're trying to hide in inactivity, instead of taking out someone who seems to be giving help and advice.

My main problem with taking out Snake/Smarty turn 1 is that it feels a lot like people just jumping on them since it was a trend, and that way they don't have to worry about their individual actions/scum can mask their kill.

This was literally the thing that WON the game for the scum last time, all the bandwagonning. Someone points a finger, someone jumps that guy, then mob mentality kicks in (And the scum start piling on), and then oh, whoops, there's another townie. The killing of inactive players was just a symptom of the bandwagon problem, not the cause of the loss.

I would totally love to random vote Bookie for using the word "guesstimate" though.
 

I was gonna post a random vote, then Snake posted this huge attack on random voting, so I balked. And then I wasn't on the net anymore for a few hours. I'm also active at odd times due to being in like the reverse timezone for most of you (that is US East coasters). As it is I'm not really that experienced at mafia and a lot of people are making pretty good arguments as far as I can tell.

Which leads to the issue I have at the moment. Scum hides in anonymity. Scum hides in the critics. Scum hides in the most visible posters. These are all being said, and all have been true in past games. So I'm mulling over who to vote for seeing as we seem to be heading toward taking a day one vote seriously which I haven't done before. About the only thing I can add is, the last game (Homestuck Mafia) seemed like a total cluster fuck due to massive lack of activity, so any second timers probably shouldn't judge things by that one.

It's not that killing inactive changes the vote situation but what it does do is bring them closer to total victory especially as inactives wont always be so. On the other hand if we ignore inactives totally it gives scum a very effective way to hide.

I don't know, I feel a bit like Snake's shut us down a bit- normallly (read: every mafia game on here except hthe last one) we through out some random votes then somebody in response says something totally suspect and we lynch them and all their buddies. Works pretty well then.
I don't know how we're supposed to get info now that Snake has called out the random voters, all the scum can just hide behind the "I didn't want to be a random voter" now.
If it was anybody else I would think it was a bit scummy but to be honest it fits with Snakes posting so Imma chalk it up to snake being snake..

So in lieu of that we could try and figure out what kind of roles we think are floating around though this would arm the scum with fake role claims potentially so I don't think we should do that.

So I'm asking Snake- without the churning activity causing byrandom voting how do you suggest we proceed day 1?
The only thing I can come up with is rounding out the inactives- Sif posted that it could help the Scum I don't agree. The scum k now who each other are, they don't want information to be spread around the town- the more the town talks the more likely scum will be given away/incriminated. The problem last game was half the town not really playing- so there was little discussion and the scum had strong control of the vote.
But I mean this is not my favoured plan but I don't have any other one right now.
More posting//opinions from other players wouldbeuseful.

Personally I think if we did a full role call it would work pretty well but thats risky.

How exactly would the role call work anyway? People just go "hey guys I'm totally X and I have X special ability"? Cos I don't see how that works when people can just start making up roles and we have no way to verify their claims. And even if someone is telling the truth, how do we know? All it will do is sow more confusion and allows the scum to find out who might be decent targets to kill off. I guess that's the "risky" part of the plan, but I don't see how it can help us.

I had a rolecall once in a game, it pretty much just singled out the town's power and lead to easy mafia victory.

We shouldn't do a role call because the scum would probably claim to be normal townies (and use obscure names from the show), then they'd know who were the important roles and we'd be more or less screwed.

Yeah, I thought as much. Let's not do that.

EDIT; In fact, now that I think about it, it's a REALLY stupid idea, so

Unvote: Bard

Vote: rpgdemon

For having the idea in the first place.

A role call pretty much exposes the big roles. Chances are, even if you find who might be mafia one night, your PO or Vig will get offed the same night. Good reason to overall not announce your role unless your vanilla townie. But even then, the Mafia knows who isn't vanilla and can just throw darts elsewhere.

The role call idea is terrible and should die quickly in a fire.

The 'random voting' D1 strategy didn't work in Homestuck Mafia, rarely works in most Mafia games, and won't work now. Again, Mafia has the advantage of knowing who is on the rest of their team and who isn't. It is very easy under the guise of 'random voting' for Mafiates to simply refuse to ever suspect each other and instead exclusively suspect town simply due to the statistical reality that there are considerably more town out there than scum. And it is notoriously easy for random voters to then chalk up their votes for random townies as "Well, that's what we do D1, we just toss around random votes like a chump and pray we hit something."

I can't possibly see how preventing that line of terrible logic from justifying scum's potential D1 actions . Personally, I'd much rather vote an inactive out simply for being inactive (or barely-active, barely-contributing) D1 than engage in a Random votefest, though the ideal option is to grill each other.


Research past Mafia games (Homestuck was recent enough, admittingly the more distant the game the less likely the evidence is relevant.) Search for discrepancies in behavior or similar patterns of behavior.

Fenris pulled this strategy off (as scum) in Homestuck Mafia but, newsflash, the reason Fenris pulled this off (as scum) in Homestuck is because it's usually a tried and true pro-town strategy, and his cherry-picking way of doing so helped him sound pro-town as hell. Furthermore, by announcing this strategy outright I'm going to now make Scum worry about sounding as much as possible like their 'past selves' which can lead to slip-ups.

The key is not to cherry-pick but to be objective in analyzing past trends. So with Homestuck Mafia, one easy way to go about is to say "Who's acting differently D1 today than they acted D1 in that game, and why might they be acting differently today?" And, the logical corollary now that this has been announced: "Who's trying too hard to capture a similar pro-town vibe?"

This is why I'm against a Smarty lynch; he's more or less being the same Smarty he was D1 last game, and while it's possible that Smarty's just a very good Mafia player who plays the same kind of game regardless of alignment (again, researching other past games might give me a better indication of this) it's ALSO possible, even probable, that Smarty is just being Smarty and that going for the obvious lynch of Smarty because he's 'weird.'


This kind of logic is actually precisely why I'm most skeptical of those whose justifications for voting me (or Smarty, or possibly someone else) off simply boil down to: "I don't like him because he sounds too active and too serious and I dislike the nature of his serious activity."

That's classic anti-town, pro-scum logic. Scum wants to find ways to phrase their votes under a cloak of pro-town "why you bein' so wwweeeeiiirrrrddd" bullcrap when, in reality, they're gunning after active Townies who constitute the greatest 'threat' . There are plenty of legitimate reasons for a townie to suspect Smarty, or myself, or anyone else, but an illegitimate reason is simply "You're too serious bro, you're actually trying to win instead of having fun."

My guess is of the Scumteam, at least one Scum is being active and trying to push an agenda, possibly that agenda because, knowing that I'm Town (I have the benefit of knowing my Role) my guess is scum would really like me the hell out of this game.

But I also suspect at least one or two on the Scumteam are completely inactive and/or irrelevant-posting, because irrelevant, inconsequential "I'm here, not inactive, but not doing shit" posting by Scum in early days was also a classic NPF strategy for the Mafia team in D1 of Homestuck. Be on the lookout for those whose do post but whose posts have very little in the way of actual content. Like for example Nikose, who wasted an entire post of 'content' just speculating on the hypothetical that I might be Pinkie Pie. I'd feel more comfortable voting for him on that alone if not for the fact that Nikose, unfortunately enough, may just be being Nikose.

Random voting has worked fantastically well in about half the games I've played. You don't understnad how the random voting works- it's gotnothing to do with randomly hitting scum, its got to do with causing crap and getting people to make mistakes when you accuse them of shit. It basically getting everyone talking.

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I can't possibly see how preventing that line of terrible logic from justifying scum's potential D1 actions . Personally, I'd much rather vote an inactive out simply for being inactive (or barely-active, barely-contributing) D1 than engage in a Random votefest, though the ideal option is to grill each other.


Do you knwo how you grill each other? You start by throwing random votes. There is currentely nothing to grill based on.
How do you grill with no information? We need information to flow. We need people to talk. We need to rile up inactives/low actives or ditch them.
You are talking nonsense- the very reason for random voting is to start grilling and activity.

We don't have a big backlog of games with most of the participants here. Not a valid strategy.
Like I played a lot and you are free to look at me.
Other players whoplayed a lot in the past I remember- Moogle, P-Sleazy, Hawk, Bard, Ryandermen- none of them have posted enough to really make pattern recognition. Exactly the problem we're trying to fix.

Stop rewriting history. The reason it worked in Homestuck Mafia was because nobody was playing. There was like 6 active players and most of them were mafia. I woud like to prevent that again.

I don't see how I'm acting "weird". Nobody has given a good reason for bandwagoning me- the bandwagon is just a random bandwagon.


Yes active players are good. We like active players. Inactive players you never really get information on. So when we have no information at all and no better votes we should vote inactive. I'm not saying right away bandwagon them- what I'ms aying is if deadline approaches and we have no suspicion on anyone bandwagon an inactive.

Did you even read my post? I'msaying we SHOULDN'T vote out talkers- we should vote out the silent.
Like I don't even know what you are arguing anymore.
I'm so confused Snake- you've quoted me on mass and are calling me out for trying to vote out active players when I'm advocating precisely the opposite.
Snake you are trying to mislead the town and convince them I'm arguing the opposite of what I'm arguing. I don't know why, it's a bizarre tactic for a scum to pull.
Like I don'tknow what you're smoking but I want some.


But really Snake, you are not helping. All you are doing is scaring people into not posting. You are doing precisely the opposite of what we need on day 1. You are adopting ahigh ground position of "super-mafia player" but you are spouting bullshit which only would be useful if you were playing with a very specific set of highly active players playing to very specific codes of conduct.

Uh, Smarty, I wasn't actually responding to you specifically there.
That entire point you thought was specifically directed at you was in fact, not directed at you at all.
Which really invalidates like, 80% of the basis for the muckraking you're attempting there.

Unvote: IHMN

Not sure how much time is left in the day, but I doubt voting IHMN will really accomplish anything. Guess I'll read over the last mafia and the stuff in this one before making a real vote.

Sooo, this is my first mafia game; tell me: is this much D1 drama typical?

Also, do the scum HAVE to off someone each night? Does town HAVE to off someone each day?

It just seems we'll have a lot more information to go on later.

Think we're running a bit behind on our drama quota actually. Quick, someone needlessly antagonize someone else for a perceived minor slight.

No and no, but the Mafia will always kill someone at night, because there is literally no reason not to. The Town can vote no lynch, but that's a terrible idea in almost all cases, for reasons enumerated in Homestuck Mafia where we got into a big argument about it.

Yeah, I thought the same thing last game: Wait until night to get a clue or something, and then vote off that, but the flavor for the kill doesn't really give you any clues, at least in Snake's game (The only experience I have).

The main thing I learned was that bandwagonning only helps scum. Weigh why you want to vote someone, and vote them, but don't let people get away with going, "He seems to be the guy to kill, voting him.", and treat such people with suspicion.

You sprinkled your posts with quotes from me and then responded to them! How is that not responding to me?