The Spy Among Us Mafia
 

An Alarm goes off, Code 1059. Experts in this code already knows what it means, others grab their employee manuals and flip to the code page to understand. Code 1059, A Rogue group has infiltrated the Agency, and a security breach has been detected. All groups are to report into the main lobby. Once there, security will locate who has not appeared, and be dispatched to remove the rogue group. The lock down will stay in effect until all threats to the Agency has been removed.

Everyone gathers around in the Lobby, and security start checking out the cameras and motion sensors. They find no one, and realize that everyone that was in the building when the lock down initiated is in this room. Everyone looks around at each other. Agency tends to keep employees separated, so very few people recognize each other, but lingering in their thoughts, they know someone is scum in here. After a moment, lock down then shuts off access to the cameras and motion sensors, and everyone looks around nervously.

Day 1 has started. With 14 people, it will take a 8 majority to lynch. If you did not receive a message with your role, please send me a private message and I will give you your role.

Winners: No One, Everyone lost. Good job guys.

1.) Geminex aka BahamutFlare2: Vigilante, Town Aligned, Lynched Day 5
2.) Ryanderman: Deathmiller, Town Aligned, on death revealed as Mafian Thug, Mafia Aligned Shot Night 2
3.) Karesh: Miller, Town Aligned Shot Night 4
4.) Moogle0119: Vengeful Townine, Town Aligned, Suicided Day 6
5.) Hawk: DeathMiller, Town Aligned, on death revealed as Mafia Don, Mafia Aligned Lynched Day 4
6.) Fenilicious who is now Ecks: Deputy, Town Aligned Shot Night 3
7.) Mr. Bookworm aka Ecks2, Vigilante, Town Aligned Shot Night 4
8.) Sifright: Nurse in Training, Town Aligned, Shot Night 5
9.) Aldurin: The man with the answers, Town Aligned Shot Night 1
10.) Nikose Tyris: Vengeful Townie, Town Aligned Shot Night 2
11.) Lawful Neutral who is Neo-Nikose: DeathMiller, Town Aligned on death revealed as Mafian Thug, Mafia Aligned, Lynched Day 3
12.) BahamutFlare: Miller, Town Aligned, Lynched Day 1
13.) greed: Mayor, Town Aligned, Shot Night 1
14.) Smarty McBarrelpants: Hobo, Town Aligned, Shot Night 3

Vote: Fenris
Fuck that dude.

Vote: Smarty

For bandwagoning at the last second and joining.

Vote: Moogle

For improper sentence structure.

Vote: Nikose Tyris.
No further explanation needed.

VOTE: Nikose Tyris

because really it's the most logical choice.

Vote: Aldurin

No explaination needed.

He could just be invisible.
 

Vote: Bookworm

Cause who is he kidding?

I'm having sex with your mother.
 

Your mom.

In her vagina.

With my penis.

Vote: Truth

Because we all know it'll be swinging from the chandelier by the end of today.

Okay, so for my usual day one blatant stabs in the dark that are correct when I am not mafia, I'm saying Greed and Sifright are scum.

Like not going to act on it or anything, I'm just going to wait and see if this is correct, if I'm going to continue my streak of "Well fuck he did it again".

So, I don't know if this is the right way to play this role, but I can't see any other way to do it. Any damage caused the town by muddying the waters with my role claim would be, I think, far outweighed by the damage caused the town by the misinformation that would be generated upon my death. So I'm going to roleclaim, and see what happens. Also, it'll give everyone an idea of what sort of lying IC is going to do this game.

I am the Death Miller, Town Aligned. While I will investigate as town, upon my death the GM will proclaim me to be a Mafia Thug. That will be a lie.

This is gonna be the easiest game ever. My PM says I win when the town wins. When implies we will! Unless IC is lying!

Vote: Ryanderman

The correct spelling in this game is Mafian thug. For I am normal miller and got info that I am investigated as a Mafian Thug. I don't think that town and town got separate spellings. This is by far the best D1 lead ever.

Wait, BF is that a legit counter claim? What's the colory text stuff for you?

Okay..

Looks like we have either two town millers or one of them is mafia.. decisions.

Vote:Ryanderman

Ryanderman claimed miller first and thus mafia are very unlikely to counter claim as miller at this stage as it leads to a sure death next game day thus I am happy to believe Bahamutflare claim.

I can get behind that, I guess. Though the contrast from a proper claim to casual claim is kinda weird.

Unvote: Moogle

Vote: Ryanderman

Derp mafia(n) is derp.

Or you know, Ryander just accidentally left an N off the end of his claim guys. I mean seriously, are you voting for him because you don't believe his claim or because he left a damn N off the end of Mafia?

If it's the latter then you're all stupid.

And if it's the former then I can actually back him up there becuase I have almost exactly the same role Deathmiller, Town Aligned, except when I die I get revealed as the Mafian Don, Mafia Aligned.

I didn't go back to my role pm to copy paste. I just typed it out as I remembered it, and added colors as appropriate. So I left off an N. Oops. You're going to lunch me over that?

Both BF and I could easily be Millers.

What the fuck is going on here.
Unvote: Fenris

Vote: BahamutFlare

Cause lynching a deathmiller makes no sense and gives us no information- the PO should check them out.
Lynching a normal miller makes massive sense because there is no way we can PO them so might as well just off them.

They could, but right now everyone who voted for you is looking scummy as fuck, especially BF for voting on the basis of a clear misstype.

I was a bit unsure how to run with this role myself until I saw you reveal it, and then everybody jumped on you so I decided to throw my lot in and back you up, because you're clearly town and the only person I trust now.

For now I'm gona

Unvote: Aldurin

Vote: BahamutFlare

Because a) standard miller claim that can't be checked and b) shitty reasoning to lynch Ryander. Also fuck millers!

Unvote:ryanderman

Okay I fucked up, I read ryanders and Bahamutflares post just before rushing out to get to work.

I was under the mistaken impression that they were both claiming normal miller. rather than death miller.. although this is pretty wacky that three people have the same role.

No BF is claiming normal miller, Ryand death miller.

Just a thing to consider, Ryanderman states he will show up mafia/n thug when he is lynched and has the role "Death Miller" Hawk states that his role is the same yet he identifies differently when dieing am I the only one that is suspicious of that?

I would have presumed that two people with the same role name would have the exact same effects.

Fos:Hawk
Ryanderman

Only 13 of us so I can see there being only two mafiates.

Man this better not be there is no actual mafia game. Cause i'll cut a bitch.

Why would you presume we have the exact same effects? There is no evidence for or against that.

My role info states that I'm an elite member of the Agency and have spent 5 years infiltrating an enemy organisation in order to set them to war with another organisation. I'm working on extracting myself but still have some things to finish off. I know that if somebody looks too hard they would find I am in fact Agency (town) aligned, but to everyone else I still appear to be the head of the organisation I've infiltrated.

I imagine Ryanders role would be similar. Basically we're double agents working inside the mafia, presumably trying to make them fight the cult (if there still is one, this game was supposed to have more people). There may or may not be more death millers too, I can't say.

To be honest, I imagine the mafia will probably kill either me or Ryander tonight, and the best thing for town to do would be to investigate one of us and try to confirm us as being actually town. If a PO can confirm either one of us, it should confirm the other. The mafia will probably want one of us dead first thing though to stop that confirmation and thus a voting block forming around us. If you guys hadn't been so quick to jump on the first person to reveal his role I might not have had to reveal mine and confirm for you all that this is actually the kind of spy vs spy type game that IC has set up, but oh well.

There was no real incentive for any of you dudes tor eveal your roles. You just got the day 1 jitts

Well it got conversation going, and hopefully confirms one or both of us.

No one else is doing much right now, except trying to lynch anyone who claims anything.

Or like "Lynch anyone who claims the a scummy role day 1 with no provocation" . Only 3 people rvoted Ryand, all three of whom are insane. Like are you trying to scare the town into not voting. Cause you are misrepresenting everything and blowing everything out of proportion so town is afraid to lynch people anymore.

On the one hand, Deathmiller could be legitimate.

On the other hand, this could be a (somewhat) clever plan to explain why you'll appear town when investigated (due to reverse miller), and Mafia when you die, helping to mask your numbers.

The point about the deathmiller is they could be legit or dudes playing some kind of wacky game. But if we lynch them we don't learn anything which is the problem. It's best to just leave them till we have other information to go off.
The PO could potentially investigate them if he wants though its up to him.

However claiming miller is suspicious as all fuck because you are basically just buying yourself immunity from PO which the deathmiller does not have as such.

Well see

If they were reverse millers in the sense that investigated, they turn up town, and revealed as mafia on death? that would work too, and that's kind of the angle I'm not seeing addressed.

Also this could just be a massively elaborate game where the mafia doesn't actually know any other mafiates, and the mafia believes they ARE town- these deathmillers may actually be the mafiates.

I'm up for lynching hawk, his story doesn't follow, or rather it stops following once you take into account that it lists him as the mafia don when he dies, which from the fluff perspective he is putting forward doesn't make sense.

Vote:Hawk

I understand that when he dies it won't prove him guilty or innocent as he truly could be a death miller... but his claim strikes me to much as exactly what you would want every one to believe if you are the mafia don and investigate as town from a PO.

Two "death" millers seems a bit much. We might be onto some kind of overarching theme for the game there.


Would we have any other "Death" millers willing to come forth and further complicate this sordid tale, perhaps?

Two people are already claiming this? And I am saying not to lynch them for that very reason and instead lyncht he person who claims to be a straight miller. Not sure what you're smoking.

Miller, Town Aligned. Win condition being win when town wins. As mentioned before. The death millers...what's your win condition.

So there's now two mafia dons. You being so close to them, I'd bet you'd know who they are. Frankly, I don't trust death millers. I believe they've been lied to because how can there be 2 mafia dons? You are the mafia don Hawk. Also, you could very well be town and our true enemy is cult/SK/5th party. There may be no actual mafia.

Unvote: Ryanderman
Vote: Hawk

(Sorry, I get lazy when it comes to colors, I do casual unless asked. And I see Hawk used MafiaN also, so I have no idea what logic train to use except that there can't be more than 1 mafia don)

Who wants to bet that mafia has a reverse death miller that infiltrated town?

Something very odd is going on this game, I was going to keep this hidden for a bit longer but with all the millers out the woodwork:
Miller, Town aligned.
That makes at least 1, (If I'm the only one being honest) and at most 4 millers.

My role flavor states that my work for the agency has left a bad paper trail for me, that would paint a bad picture of me to anyone who found it. So I carry it on me at all times. I assume that the death flavor for me would be someone finding the documents on me, and coming to the conclusion that I work for the rogue group.

My flavor also states that if only someone would come talk to me, I could get someone on my side. Which relates to being investigated as town, I'd assume.

My win condition is that I win when town wins.

I cannot confirm Hawk's role claim, nor flavor. Our role flavors are very different, I know nothing of infiltrating anyone. In fact, Hawk's role flavor makes me somewhat suspicious of him, as it could be a neat ploy by the mafia don, sensing an opportunity after I role claimed.

The reason I felt I should role claim right off on day 1 was that I knew I could die at any time, and if the town thought I was mafia after I died they'd be off on any future calculations of how many mafia are left. Any interactions I had with anyone during the day would be seen in an incorrect light, and could lead to suspicion being cast on people undeservedly. Anything I said while alive would be viewed with suspicion, and could undo any positive contributions I make. Regardless of the town's reaction to my role claim, lynching me or not, I felt that ensuring the town had the correct information from which to work was vitally important.

How would a deathmiller showing up as mafia don make two mafia dons. that's dumb.

I am town aligned. I win when town wins. That is what town aligned means. Did I really have to explain that?

No, there is probably only 1 mafia don, I just show as the don upon death.

We haven't been lied to, it explicitly states what my alignment is and who I win with, which is town.


This is the damn problem with any kind of miller tough, for once I get to actually make a claim and be completely honest and open about exactly what I am, and you all want to immediately lynch me. I've told you what I am, I've even given you my entire role info near verbatim, what else can I do here?

Assumption: Death Millers are actually mafia.

Proposal: Act on this assumption.

Wait, let me get this straight.

Deathmiller claims:
Hawk
Ryanderman

Normal Miller claims
Karesh
BahamutFlare

I honestly get the feeling that one of the deathmiller claims is legit, since IC said that certain roles would modify what he says.

Unvote: Ryanderman

I'm going to give this some more time to boil.

Hawk shows up as mafian don when dead. cool. Isn't there an actual mafian don though? meaning the network would have two dons. Who is going to be doing the killing? An underling? If Hawk isn't the Don, there's gotta be another don out there. This is what I meant. Who will be doing the killing? I'm a bit confused, so my words are well confusing. Sorry about this.

I kinda believe all the miller claims right now. Death or normal. I believe it especially because of the pairs. I wouldn't doubt pairs of a lot of things. Maybe 2 PO's. However, what Nikose says is what echoes.

Unvote: Hawk
Vote: Gem

I'll never get a tell on him anyway, and I'm going back to semi-random.

Geminex is probably the vig actually.

Nikose stop being purposefully unhelpful.

One of them isn't a Don though. Assuming Hawk is correct he is not a Don and just appears to be one on death. the one doing the killing is the one who is actually a Don, ie no the deathmiller.

Karesh stop being the PO.

Okay. Things have been summed up pretty well already.

Millers could either be standard scum, or actual millers. Millers would claim to prevent the PO from wasting investigations, scum would claim to protect themselves from PO investigations.

Death millers could either be legit townies or could actually be Dons, as has already been stated. Now.

I can see why the role of "Legit" Death Miller would exist, namely to deprive us of post-lynch information. If we lynch a claimed death miller, we glean less information from the result of that lynch.

What rationale would scum have to claim death miller? Obviously, it is a way for a don to hide that he was don post-lynch. That obscures the amount of lynched scum players. At the same time, though, it draws attention to the don, and raises the question of whether or not he, in fact, is a don.

I don't think the first death miller claim is a don, because, unless scum have a lot of extra info, they wouldn't have had any information that the role existed in the first place. The second? Might be. It's a Wifom question.

Of course, they could both be scum, hiding under the death miller mantle, but I don't believe that. Two dons would be weird. And given the theme of the game, death millers seem plausible.

So my real response is "I have no idea, but let's not bee too hasty with our lynches".

And our fallback can always be to lynch nikose. : D

Why is everyone focused on the deathmiller claims and not the miller claims!

because hawks death miller claim is the perfect cover for a mafia don to take? it's why i've voted to lynch him. Although killing the standard millers might be a good idea as well.

The problem is we have three people that the PO can't verify, The two standard millers and the death miller that claims when he dies it will show Mafia don. There have been plenty of games where the mafia dons power has been that he identifies as town.

Why would that be the perfect cover and not the stupidest cover.

Ok, so you all assume I'm the mafia don. So I ask you a simple question then; why in the hell would I bother making any claim at all, especially on the very first day?

Mafia dons generally have the power that, if investigated, they show as town, which is what happens if I'm investigated anyway. If I was the mafia don I would already show up as being town and wouldn't need to claim death miller, thus drawing attention to myself in the first place. I could have just sat back, let you all carry on, probably left you all to lynch Ryander or one of the other millers and avoided attention entirely, then if I got investigated I would show as town.

There would be far too much risk for a mafia don to go and make such a bold claim so early for no reason, drawing everyones attention for no reason when he could just sit back, let himself maybe get investigated and not risk the ire of every other player. For a faction that generally wants to keep its head down and go unnoticed it's literally the worst possible way to play.

The only thing a deathmiller claim would help a mafia do is mask his death, which is not something that really matters all that much, and I should know, having been killed off as mafia several times in other games, generally early on. Why would I care so much about what my death looks like in this game, when it's never mattered in any past game, to the point of drawing everyones attention when I needn't have bothered?

The only reason I would have claimed death miller is because I actually am one, and I claimed because I'm pretty damn certain Ryander is town too since his role is almost identical, between us both we've already got (at least for me) 2 confirmed townies, in a game of 14 players. On day 1. It was my hope that backing up Ryander would get town more confirmed townies, reveal to the town that this game is going to be full of misdirection and confusion (as befits a game about spies) and get peoples attention focused on the now reduced number of possible suspects. Clearly this did not happen.



As for the other millers, I'm also thinking maybe Kareshs miller claim may be genuine too, since it seems he revealed himself to show that there are in fact a lot more millers roles this game than normal, which I already know to be true. I'm still suspicious as all hell of BF though, and not because of his miller claim, more his blatant obfuscating "logic". I get the feeling he's being deliberately obtuse about stuff in order to get votes started. Missing Ns after Mafia, not realising town aligned means "wins when town does" and multiple dons just because a miller shows as one are some of the flimsiest and stupidest reasons to suspect someone ever.

Pretty much everything Hawk says. The whole deathmiller suspicion is based on fuck all and is stupid.

WHy aren't we lynching the millers who are trying to buy immunity from POs because that is a sketchy claim- deathmiller is not a particularly sketchy claim.

Also as I sad lynching the deathmiller doesn't achieve us anything- it will show as mafia when he is dead but we don't know what that means and we are in the same place as we were at the start of day 1. If say we're down to a few people and we're still dying and we haven't found any mafia then lynch the deathmiller and see if the killings stop. Lynching them day 1 makes no sense.

Reason I'm suspicious of Death Millers: Because Inbred outright told us he'd be lying to us in this game. There's no reason for me not to suspect that he told a Death Miller they're town, when they are in fact mafia.

That's the entire justification here.

But if the mafia think they town they not going to kill anyone?

Like I'm open to the suggestion that there is no mafia, that the mafia don't know who they are or things and actaully think its pretty likely- the idea that these deathmillers are the mafia seems reasonable- but like we should at least see what halppens during the night before jumping to conclusions.

True nuff.

*Points at Sifright* I blindly suspect him as I already stated.

Ok, I can see where you are coming from with regards to the "deathmillers may be mafia/may not know it/may not be any mafia at all" thing, but if you read ICs post, he explicitly says there is a mafia, and that the only lieing is being done by roles with the power to change what he says.

He did not say there may or may not be a mafia, like he did for Cult, SK and 5th Unknown party. He never said he'd be lieing about the roles he'd hand out, only that some roles can manipulate what he says. So I find it very hard to believe that me and Ryander are the mafia, because lieing to us outright in our own role pms would just inherently screw us over from the start and make it near impossible for either of us to win, unless it was completely by accident.

I really doubt IC would do that, because it would severely limit our ability to win if we were really the mafia and didn't know it. And if you're assuming he's lied about our 2 roles, then you have to ask yourselves if he's lied about your own. Maybe he's lied about everyone's role then, and what kind of clusterfuck game would that make? I know that doesn't make any sense for him to do, but it makes as much sense as him lieing to the mafia about what they are so they are immediately handicapped for the entire game.

If he lied about all our roles, that would make an infinitely amusing game.

To you, maybe. Most of us would prefer a more normal type of game, filled with less bastard roles like your game had which, as I recall pissed off quite a few people because none of us knew what was happening or had any ability to do anything because all the misdirects just made any attempt to do anything impossible.

And if this game is going to end up like yours then I'd prefer to know now so I can drop out because fuck that.

Hey sometimes really absurd logic is the way to go one a D1. I don't care what anyone says. A little slip of attention to detail is what the true mafia is gonna do. Or just not say anything. Speaking of not saying anything, who's still silent through this miller talk? Greed and Bookie!

FoS until 'They're probably the PO/BG/Vig'
Unvote: Gem

Remember, I DID say that Greed and Sif were probably mafia.

I also haven't posted in the thread, and I find it suspicious that none of you noticed.

Oh right, Lawful hasn't posted yet. WE DEMAND YOUR THOUGHTS.

I noticed, but I know how you like to sit back and watch day one as we all beat each other with imaginary clubs to the head all for your own amusement. I'm still trying to work out if that's a scum tell you have or if that's just how you always play.

I pretty much agree with all of this, it makes sense. I will add that two death millers seems a bit odd and that therefore Hawk's claim seems a bit suspicious to me but I'll hold off. Same deal with two regular millers. On the other hand the theme of the game lends itself to the role being important.

Vote: Bookworm

I want to get rid of one of the ones that became quiet whenever all this started. Greed is another good choice. I'm sure I'm missing people, so speak up or I'll FoS you alllllllllllll!!!!!

And then Greed talked. Curse you and ruining my fos! Ninja'd me.

Do we have vote dedline and a current count. We see where we are at

Vote Count

Smarty Mcbarrelpants (1)
~Moogle0119

Nikose Tyris (2)
~"Half Assed" karesh
~Nikose Tyris

Mr.Bookworm (2)
~greed
~BahamutFlare

BahamutFlare (2)
~Smarty McBarrelpants
~Hawk

Hawk (1)
~Sifright

No deadline has been set yet, it is 8 to lynch. (If I missed anything let me know)

...Hm.

Unvote: Nikose Tyris

I was mainly attempting to hang back because at least some of the millers are probably lying, and I suspect that the mafia is trying to push the lynch onto someone innocent.

Dunno. Need to gather more data.

Suuuuuuspicious.

Actually, I'm pretty sure this is more suspicious.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/267/doineedthis.png
Just sayin'.

At some point I should probably check what my role is.

Vote: Nikose Tyris

I can't let that bullshit fly. Like, totally can't.

I figure, it's day 1, we're all throwing bullshit, why even check till tomorrow.

If your goal is obfuscation and hindering anyone's ability to identify behavior patterns from game to game, it's a surprisingly effective tactic.

My hat is an antelope.

And now I start to see why D1 usually falls back to 'Lets lynch Nikose.'