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Morotis 05-06-2005 08:33 PM

D&D: Online!!!
 
I couldn't decide to post this thread here or in the roleplaying section...not that it matter...

what do you tink the game will be like? will you buy it?

Psrdirector 05-06-2005 10:29 PM

maybe. probly not cause guild wars has taken over my life, and i am cheap as hell and dont like paying monthly fees. but if there wasnt a monthly fee, and if it actually sticks with the d and d rules and stuff i think it will be fun, but if it dumbs them down to the level of every other mmo out there then it wont be very good

Hatake Kakashi 05-07-2005 07:35 AM

I'm just hoping to see some seriously good separated PK out of the whole deal. Stuff that involves tactics, not just having a bloated character. If they can work out an incredible PK system on it, I'll be all over it.

Dante 05-07-2005 08:03 AM

As long as I can twink, I'll be happy.

Hatake Kakashi 05-08-2005 02:54 AM

Sounds like you and I would get along quite well, Dante. Let's team up and curbstomp everyone, form our own clan designed to own (and pwn) the entire setting, and live life to the fullest.

Dante 05-08-2005 04:28 AM

If Druid is as powerful in D&D Online as D&D pwn and paper, I know what class I'm playing.

And yes, Kakashi, all shall be crushed under the iron jackboot of tyranny!

Red Mage Black 05-08-2005 11:57 AM

Hey, don't start acting like "Elites", I wish to join this 'Cubstomping' clan of yours. I believe that I would be an apprentice though seeing as I am one of the worse DnD players ever.

Hatake Kakashi 05-08-2005 03:47 PM

Acting like Elites? Heh.

He thinks we're acting, Dante. How cute. ^.^

Seriously, though. We're not Sith. As long as you demonstrate the ability to learn, once I perfect my strategies and techniques, I'll be more than happy to teach you most of what I'll know.

Good PK is an art form. There's always little loopholes and tricks to abuse the hell out of that aren't quite serious enough to be "bugs" but still can be "twinked" with to give the user a serious edge. I wonder what I should be with Dante going for a druid type. Hrm. We'll have to see what all the game will offer. Dante, keep in touch. If we both get on this game, I wanna know who to side with to flatten the masses.

On that note, I wonder what kind of looting policies will be enforced.... :cool:

Azisien 05-08-2005 05:20 PM

Hopefully looting in PK wouldn't exist, and it could all be in good fun. In dungeon crawls and dragon hunts, on the other hand, loot should be plentiful!

Personally, I think this game shows promise. I generally hate MMOs. Monthly fees, while being miniscule even on a part-time salary, are annoying. I know DDO has a monthly fee (or rather, WILL), and it'll probably be standard price.

Also, PnP is damn near impossible to adapt into a game. It's just too big, honestly. The mechanics are pretty rough to translate and mesh together coherently (that's why its pen and paper!). Neverwinter Nights, for instance, did an amazing job at getting the basics of PnP into the game, but its an utterly vast project.

Still, my hopes are uppity up up. I've never been much of a twinker, at least mechanically (ie, using game exploits to make yourself more powerful). Though I have made a few disgusting builds in my time. :cool: Druid tends to be an integral part of disgusting builds, so disgusting in 3rd ed. :P

Hatake Kakashi 05-08-2005 06:02 PM

I dunno. I think at least a minimal looting should be in place... hence the separated PK hopes. Those who want to get in the carnage, feel free, those who don't, don't need to worry. However, PK looting does present a small risk for those who have the balls to get into PK. It's a little bit of a deterrent for those who love to load up on the most "uberHAXOMGOMGOMGI r teh pwnz0r!!!11elevenone" equipment and then jump into battle without wanting to lose it. And for those of us who prefer to kill for our spoils rather than to have to actually look for them, a minimal loot is just the thing. You smack someone, they leave a corpse. Two scenarios for a quality, yet non-crippling, loot would be thus:

The player drops whatever he/she has in their inventory, plus whatever they were wielding. All other worn items (armor, rings, amulets, etc) are on the character upon respawn, as well as a given percentage of the hard money they possessed. I do hope there will be more forms of currency than just gold pieces....

The other way to do a minimal loot is to have the victim leaving a corpse, which will contain 3-5 random items the character was in possession of, whether worn, wielded, or merely in the inventory, plus a percentage of gold the character was carrying.

To prevent the typical "griefer" PK spam-kill/full-loot/skull-f**k situation, the coders of the game could implement a "safe" period after a Pdeath, in which the player may not be attacked by another player, thus enabling them to attempt to retrieve their possessions without harassment. Of course, if they're not careful, they could still be slaughtered by the random mob. Anyone dying to a mob in the area of a PK shouldn't have been there in the first place, IMHO.

Myself, I like collecting trophies. And while ears are proofs of kills, the eq gathered from a kill is more of a measure of the prowess of the player. Anyone can have their buddy make a few hundred level 1 n00bs to rack up a body count.

A "kills report" would be pretty awesome too. I wonder if they don't do such a thing if there would be a description or bio command to store the dickwaving rights in....

An additional thought, if there IS PK looting, hopefully they are wise enough to code in a little snippet that only allows the one who landed the killing blow to do the looting. Whether limited or not, mass pillaging isn't cool.

Dante 05-08-2005 06:56 PM

Although one would argue that since you're PKing, you pretty much deserve whatever's coming to you, being that there's an "opt-in" system to PK. You might also be able to petition a GM for help...

Also: Item descriptions like this would be fun...

Quote:

The Ear of (CHARNAME)

Weight: 0 lbs

Description: This is the ear of (CHARNAME), whom you have pwned in the most humiliating way possible. The tale of your glorious victory shall be sung from the halls of dwarven splendor to the shores of the elven sea, and your foe (CHARNAME) shall ever live with the ignominy of knowing that you did hand his ass to him, for great justice. Go you!

Hatake Kakashi 05-08-2005 11:24 PM

Agreed. If there's an Opt-in system for PK, sure, a limited loot would be nice for some, but if they don't have looting restrictions, and you find yourself picked clean, you deserve it. Nobody's forcing you to go where the not-so-nice boys are playing.

After much consideration, I'll probably make one of each class, like I do for any game I get into... but I'll probably be most fond of a rogue-type, due to my light-fingered RP tendencies....

I'd ask to go for a ninja, but that would probably be stretching my hopes a bit far.

Dante 05-08-2005 11:58 PM

Well, you may not actually be a ninja class, but you should still be able to play a ninja. Just go dual dagger / TWF route, and strike them down with great vengeance and furious anger.

Oh, and use UMD to imitate mage casting, and dye your hair silver, and wear a patch over a scarred eye with a reddish-brown contact lens... :p

Hatake Kakashi 05-09-2005 02:46 AM

How easily you read my mind...

Moment this game reaches both of us, let's start workin out our strategies. I can already taste the spoils of battle now.... :cool:

Oh yeah, and we gotta make sure we do it well. If we can get it going smoothly, I'm sure I could convince my little sister to join, once she's back from Japan. She'll make a nice addition. She's probably got equal to my skill, but people underestimate her because she's a girl. No idea why. They have more potential to be meaner than we ever could, neh?

*watches Dante begin furiously working out every conceivable battle plan, kicks back and has a beer*

Azisien 05-09-2005 12:17 PM

I'm not really anti-PK. But I'm more anti-PK in MMOs than anywhere else. Mainly due to the people that'll play for 18 hours every day just to make these monster characters.

I just know this, if I've spent three months getting all kinds of epic equipment, and I stand to lose it in ten seconds to another guy who mastered a cheap trick, I would be much less motivated to participate in PK. I won't really argue which systems of PK are best, though, since the developers are the ones making the systems, and they probably won't change their minds because of this thread.

Have they told us what campaign setting D&D Online is in? I actually haven't been in any campaign settings in my PnP time, because we always do custom stuff (I prefer to build my worlds and watch my ants crawl around in them).

They BETTER have more than gold pieces is right. They better have your copper, silver, gold, and platinum pieces, or the director is going to find a horse head in his bed.

I usually play something to help the 'team' I would play with. Rogues and clerics tend to come in handy.

Hatake Kakashi 05-09-2005 12:25 PM

I'd expect something either out of Forgotten Realms, due to it's vast popularity among DnD settings, or from Greyhawk, because it's the most basic (and original) DnD world.

Personally, I'd have loved to see something out of pre-5th age Krynn. Dragonlance, for those less familiar with the setting.

After 4th age though, the campaign went straight to shit.

Sayaka 05-09-2005 05:10 PM

Yeah, actually, I would join. Sounds like fun.

And for those who missed me, sorry. I've been a little busy. On a side note, Japan ROCKS! I'll be here only for a couple more months though. :(

Mata ne.

Psrdirector 05-09-2005 09:31 PM

If they make it true to D and D, then i can kill any normal caricture easy. Dark cleric, drow, female, assasine. man there is nothing better. warriors can not handle the power

i am against pvp looting, it is a cheap tactic. and the pvp people always get mad when they kill some poor guy, are weak, then another person comes behind them and kills them, or runs away from them.

If they do this well it will be good, if they dont do it well it will not be good, i am leaning towards the latter


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