Check your reading comprehension. I didn't call you juvenile. And what makes you think I'm pissed? Personally I find it kind of fascinating that you'd think someone was pissed because they challenged your opinion. Why not back it up instead of trying to suggest other people are flaming you?

using juvenille to describe even someone's expressing of something is calling them juvenille and it's flaming thus it comes from being pissed. and i dodn't explain anything because when someone flames me i don't treat them well enough to give them the responce they're looking for

No, calling someone's expression of an opinion juvenile is just calling that expression juvenile. It was not an insult, though your taking it as such speaks volumes. Consider it rather simply a helpful observation. Respect, you see, is a two way street. How you express yourself is very much related to how people will perceive your opinion.

Believe me when I say I could care less in the end whether you give any kind of sensible response. You were the one however that asked for some respect. How about you start by showing some? Or at the very least giving the other peeps here something to respect.

For if you think calling "yes indeed, it made me so ecstatic and overfilled with joy, ding dong the bitch is dead" juvenile is flaming, then you've lead a sheltered existence indeed.

Anyway, to get this back on topic at least a little: It's not suprising that characters like Sephiroth and Aeris are seen in this movie. After all, they are trying to cash in on the popularity of Final Fantasy VII, and those 2 characters are a large part of that popularity. Square probably feels that it's not so much the compelling setting than the cool characters they need to showcase.

Its probably half and half - they realize that FF7 was successful, and the characters have fanbases and whatnot, so they want to use some of the most popular characters in the story to 'draw people in', or to see whats happened to these characters.
The other half is probably they realize that they cant go for another shitty story like they did with Spirits Within (Not that Im saying it nessecarily had a bad story, its just... not many people really liked it.) and that they actually have to build something out of the movie. And not spend millions of dollars trying to do it.

And note: It would be wise for Square-Enix not to release this movie in theaters...

I found that Spirits Within had a decent story, it just suffered from a bad screenplay. Should be a lesson to all: A good story can not save a bad screenplay.

FFVII sounds like more of a fan targeted film than Spirits Within was. Presumably they won't put it on the big screen, which should even help cover the lower budget CG. Square couldn't compete with the likes of Pixar anyway within the kind of budget this film is likely to have. Making it cheap is a good idea though. Starting small is often a better approach than blowing the whole wad on a single glitzy film.

If it does well I'm sure we can look forward to such CG movies based on other Final Fantasy games. Perhaps this will even kick off a whole low budget direct to video CG market.

Well... I don't know about anarchy... and I can't quite speak for his, "Ding dong" yada yada shpiel... but I can tell you why I didn't shed a single tear when Aeris died. And was maybe just a little happy.

A) She was nothing but trouble. The whole storyline, up until she gets run through, all she does is get captured, run from Shinra, get Shinra after you, etc. Her entire purpose was to make sure that Shinra annoyed you.

B) I found neither her nor her personality in the least bit attractive in any way. She was half your stereotypical, I-love-flowers-and-pink-things girl (which I hate), and half 'I'm going to stay happy no matter what, but I'm not going to do a very good job of it' (which I also hate). Quite frankly, it annoyed me that cloud even looked at her twice.

C) She was totally, completely, and irreversably useless in battle. Oh sure, she had a few good limit breaks, but she was the only character who could ONLY use magic, with shitty physical attacks. And her magic use wasn't even much stronger (if any stronger) than anyone elses. Sure, you could turn her into a summon-bitch, but that's only if animations that leave you time to walk out into the kitchen, make a sandwich, and then come back (Knights of the round... and yes, I did do that), don't annoy the fuck out of you. Little secret... only summon I used with any regularity was phoenix, and that was just if a few people got knocked out.

D) To top it all off, instead of waiting for everyone else, so that maybe, MAYBE, we could do something to stop Sephiroth from running her through, she runs off to summon holy, knowing full well that she was going to be killed. She sacrificed herself. It was no one's fault but her own that she got killed. Sure, Sephy was holding the sword, but she made herself a target, and KNEW he'd be coming after her.

So... there's my reasons for disliking her and really not caring much about her dying... granted, it was a very nice CG sequence... and yes, I did feel a little bit for Cloud and the rest of the group. I was maybe a little sad because they had to put down a friend... but sad because she died? No.

So then the writing and character failed to involve you enough? That was a common complaint with Spirits Within. People were feeling disconnected from the characters and thus they didn't feel anything for them. It's the result of bad writing.

But let me take it one step further. Most if not all the characters were stereotypical. Sephiroth is as one dimensional as they come. All he has going for him is a cool character design and that scene of him walking through the fire. Cloud seems complex because of the whole split personality deal but is really quite shallow.

This suggests that the poor screenwriting of Spirits Within was no fluke, and that without a different writer a FFVII movie would have been just as bad and flopped just as hard.

Mysefl, I can't remember how I felt when the scene came up anymore. It's been years after all. I suspect that it impact on some partly because of the cinematics and partly because it was unexpected. Sure, Phantasy Star had done it before but killing a main character was still unexpected. However, even if I felt a little sad it certainly wasn't, oh, Boromir dying in FotR or Sturm being killed in Dragonlance.

Let us then hope that she's written better in the FFVII movie, eh? I'd worry more about that than whether or not she's in it.

PS. Is it not an interesting comment on CRPGs in general that performance in combat is actually a factor for whether one likes a character or not? Think about it.

I remember after leaving Midgar, it got to a point where I had Cloud, Tifa, and Aeris in my party because they were my best fighters. (At the time.) Barret and Red XIII needed work.

How long did you stay in the Shinra building? For Aeris to be stronger then Red XII and Barret... She'ld have to be atleast 10 levels higher to do more physical damage then either of them...

Yeah.. at that time She's at level 11 and everybody elce at 16.