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Nique 07-03-2005 09:53 AM

"You Have Bad Taste In Music"
 
I'm not sure I belive it

THAT is some major elitist crap right there.

I keep looking for all the telltale signs of a joke, but I don't think it is. Who does this guy think he is? If you watch those video clips, he's out there preaching - yes PREACHING - taste in music! I mean, what the crap?

It would surprise me if HE had ANY musical apptitude. People listen to what sounds good to them, moron.

RaiRai 07-03-2005 10:03 AM

Firstly, although I quite like the layout, the download speeds SUCK. And the player is useless. Ah well.

Everyone is entitled to their own musical tastes and opinions on music. I don't agree with the whole 'preaching' musical taste, though. Just because someone doesn't like the same music as you doesn't make them any less a person.

I have to admit, I haven't watched any of the video clips, as they won't freakin' load, but I can probably guess what they involve.

This guy just seems to want to be a jackass, and he's achieving it. Probably loves the hate mail as well. It's all attention seeking, and as far as I know, promoting it around the internet and raising temperatures about something this idiotic is making him feel special inside.

Nique 07-03-2005 10:11 AM

The clips were loading in quicktime for me... Is your player acting up, or do you have a slow connection?

In anycase he goes to ticket lines with a megaphone and tells people that they have bad taste in music. Train, Hoobastank, Justin Timberland, Linkin Park, a slew of others... He wears a funky robe that makes him look like he belongs in a church as he does this...

I wouldn't even say that this boarders on creepy... It just flat out is.

FishyPete 07-03-2005 11:14 AM

It was a bit repetitive (in the sense the guy was saying the same thing over and over again) but I thought it was mildly amusing.

The_Bear 07-03-2005 02:20 PM

You've just got to love the "Linkin Park is a roller coaster" analogy. It's so true! I still like Linkin Park, but that's just too funny not to laugh at. The only other one I liked was the Train concert one where that one big guy was all up in his face. "I'm exercising my first ammendment right, sir!" Hilarious.

The others were meh.

sarukun 07-05-2005 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RaiRai
This guy just seems to want to be a jackass, and he's achieving it. Probably loves the hate mail as well. It's all attention seeking, and as far as I know, promoting it around the internet and raising temperatures about something this idiotic is making him feel special inside.

http://maddox.xmission.com/

neorevolution 07-05-2005 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sarukun

This man should not be breathing. I mean, what kind of person hates I, Robot? A crazy man, that's who.

EDIT: I wasn't talking about you, sarukun. :p

Nique 07-06-2005 02:23 AM

Yeah I've seen that page before. Its a shame that he gets so much attention.

Don't ever send hate mail to private web sites, guys.

Mike McC 07-06-2005 03:19 AM

Well, that's a new site to go into my bookmarks folder.

For all of you people taking it seriously.... don't. It's satire. He's pulling public stunts that a lot of people would find offensive so others can find it amusing. Hell, I'm amused at how the people get so riled up over this guy saying bands suck.

So, I guess I find your first post amusing too, Nique. Sorry, but I do think you're overreacting. It's just like maddox, or SomethingAwful, or the gobs of sites like this on the net. They're jackasses, yes, but they're completely harmless unless the individual thinks that they're harmful. Then they tend to lose perspective.

Mirai Gen 07-06-2005 04:18 AM

Yeah well, for first thing, Maddox is actually RIGHT a majority of the time. When it's not about an opinion, it's about something that's really retarded that everyone agrees on, IE his more recent "Trippin'" special or "Orbitz", or just the humor of "Unintentional Sexual Comic Book Covers." Yes, a majority of people hate "Trippin'" and I'm sure that Orbitz is just as retarded - I don't fly much.

I mean, christ, having a bunch of celebrities going to different, depraved, third world countries only to say "It's so spiritual to see this," meanwhile they go back to get into their SUVs and turn the AC/heat up to max, resting into a nice sleeping bag from an American company hiring mexicans to craft 4,000,000,000 of them, all being paid 5.00 an hour. if Cameron Diaz tells me "we can get rid of things we think we need," and she can go back to her mansions - plural - and walk amongst the many multi-bedroom so her and her Justin Timberlake boyfriend can screw in multiple sections of the house.

Ahem.

Anyway. The article was funny, not nearly as blunt or as...I guess truthful as Maddox. Very self-attention gathering.

Christian Venomous 07-06-2005 12:21 PM

Well, who ever runs that site didnt strike me as someone I could pay attention to more than you would pay attention to let's say grass growing. However, I am inclined to agree with thier motto of "Pop music sucks donkey-dong".

Nique 07-06-2005 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bravefencer Shinryuu
It's satire.

I fail to see how it qualifies as satire. Its non-sequiter unless he explains himself better - its just a pointless rebellion against pop-culture, which is counter-culture, which is just as bad as pop-culture IMO.

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Hell, I'm amused at how the people get so riled up over this guy saying bands suck.
I rant just as much about music I don't like. The difference? I have the good manners to be polite about it. I certainly don't have the hubris to think I'd be being funny, or making some profound statment, by verbally attacking a group of people who disagreed with my opinion. Its rude.

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So, I guess I find your first post amusing too, Nique. Sorry, but I do think you're overreacting. It's just like maddox, or SomethingAwful, or the gobs of sites like this on the net. They're jackasses, yes, but they're completely harmless unless the individual thinks that they're harmful. Then they tend to lose perspective.
The harm doesn't lie in their opinion, and not even their sense of humour (mostly) its in their lack of tact, respect, and their ego that the harm comes in.

Why don't you (any of you) try treating some of the forumites that way, and see where it get's you? The fact that THEY can't be banned from their sites, or public, for being rude doesn't mean that its OK.

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Yeah well, for first thing, Maddox is actually RIGHT a majority of the time. When it's not about an opinion, it's about something that's really retarded that everyone agrees on, IE his more recent "Trippin'" special or "Orbitz", or just the humor of "Unintentional Sexual Comic Book Covers."
Being right or not isn't really the issue - the 'Bad taste in music' illusrtates this perfectly. He isn't right, but neither are the fans of the bands he is moaning about.

If these guys want to get an opinion across, I don't think ends justify their means of doing so.

Mike McC 07-07-2005 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dictionary.reference.com
sat·ire -- n.
1.
a. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
b. The branch of literature constituting such works. See Synonyms at caricature.

2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.

Yeah, it seems to fit Definition #2. Satire is based upon the art of mockery, and what is this guy doing, in a nutshell? Mocking people.

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Originally Posted by Nique
The harm doesn't lie in their opinion, and not even their sense of humour (mostly) its in their lack of tact, respect, and their ego that the harm comes in.

You seem to have missed my point. I'm saying that they themselves, along with all of thier actions, are harmless to the casual reader/veiwer. It's only when the individual decides that they don't like the means, looks too hard for malicious intent, what have you, that they actually become "harmful". But that harm is in that individuals perception entirely.

Oh, and it's not solely to get thier opinion across, it's to convey it in a humorous manner, and the cynical, angry means they do it is perfect for the way a lot of people feel nowadays. Don't believe me? Work in retail fopr a while, it'll make much more sense.

Look. It's better for you to just completely ignore people like this if you don't like the style of humor. Yes, it's very mean-spirited and angry. But, when you get down to it, 90% of humor is mean-spirited. These people just aren't afraid to show it without the sugar-coating. But if it riles you up this much, then it's best to pretend that it doesn't exist, or it's bound to cause you a lot of frustration.

Now excuse me, I must go read last week's weekend web over at SomethingAwful. I forgot I haven't looked at it yet until now.

Nique 07-09-2005 10:06 PM

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Yeah, it seems to fit Definition #2. Satire is based upon the art of mockery, and what is this guy doing, in a nutshell? Mocking people.
What vice was being mocked? What folly? What stupidity? Sure, the masses dictate pop-culture, and its often kind of inane. Agreed. But instead of insulting people on a personal basis, why not express a desire for people to broaden their tastes a little bit, and offer, oh, I don't know, a compelling argument as to 'why'? No one gets the point of what this guy is trying to say, becuase he doesn't present his purpose - only insults. Well, that and what he thinks is 'teh funn1e'.

Presenting the word 'art' to describe mockery is, I hope, a loose usage.

As far as most people will read into it, his 'point' is moot anyway, becuase again, it is a matter of personal taste. So he's just put a lot of effort into a meaningless task.

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You seem to have missed my point. I'm saying that they themselves, along with all of thier actions, are harmless to the casual reader/veiwer. It's only when the individual decides that they don't like the means, looks too hard for malicious intent, what have you, that they actually become "harmful". But that harm is in that individuals perception entirely.
I didn't miss anything. They caused no harm to me. I was not personally hurt by their comments, and I wasn't even really insulted. But I do feel bad for the people who were made a fool of by them in person.

Also, your point about perception is moot, as ANY kind of harm and its degrees lies in the perception of the recipient and/or observor. That includes physical harm. For instance; Let's say I cut you. Your pain, and 'amount' of it, is only a matter of your perception of it, as is the sympathy from bystanders who observed the attack, and percived that you were in pain.

Maybe some of the people in those ticket lines are more 'callous' to this kind of verbal jousting. Good for them. From what I could tell, most of them weren't, and were very unfairly insulted, in what could easily be perceived in a personal way. Even if that wasn't the intent, I don't think that really matters.

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Oh, and it's not solely to get thier opinion across, it's to convey it in a humorous manner, and the cynical, angry means they do it is perfect for the way a lot of people feel nowadays. Don't believe me? Work in retail fopr a while, it'll make much more sense.
I have worked in retail "fopr" a while, and your statment makes even less sense becuase of it. Just becuase a lot of people feel angry and cynical and mean, let me ask you; Does that make it OK to make other, unsuspecting induviduals the target of your angry-cynical-mean words/actions, thereby promoting that angry-cynical-mean attitude? 'Misery loves company' as it were, yes? Not a cycle I'd be proud to continue, even in the name of 'humour'.

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Look. It's better for you to just completely ignore people like this if you don't like the style of humor. Yes, it's very mean-spirited and angry. But, when you get down to it, 90% of humor is mean-spirited. These people just aren't afraid to show it without the sugar-coating. But if it riles you up this much, then it's best to pretend that it doesn't exist, or it's bound to cause you a lot of frustration.
No, it isn't better for me to ignore it. In fact, for these people the BEST thing for me to do is to respond so much more abrasivly and angrily than I have. To vent my frusteration so angrily that I sink to their level. It is BEST for them to ellicit such a response becuase that is EXACTLY what they want. If everyone who got 'riled-up' about these kind of things ignored them, guess what? Opionated jerks would see less airtime (online time?) and the world would be a happy place. Not what they want. They want the attention they unfairly gain by making people angry. ( In fact, if the opionated jerks ignored the stuff that riles THEM up, it would be even better.)

So you "Look", and see how much of a catch-22 that is, eh?

Futhermore, simply 'ignoring' problems does not make them go away, esspecially when there are a million other people who will not only NOT ignore, but who will out-and-out defy unreasonably. That would be the 'band-aid on a saw-blade wound' analogy.


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