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flja 09-15-2005 07:28 PM

The problem with libertarianism
 
Based on several years’ worth of participation in various internet discussion boards that are infested with libertarianism I have concluded that libertarianism will never contribute much of anything towards solving any socio-economic problems because:

1. They are too belligerent in their individualism to cooperate well with other individuals;
2. They are too paranoid about government to ever accept a government role in actions that are needed, but which private enterprise cannot achieve- and
3. They are too naïve of human nature to ever believe that we have socio-economic problems to begin with.

Has anyone here reached similar conclusions?

Illuminatus 09-15-2005 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by flja
1. They are too belligerent in their individualism to cooperate well with other individuals;
2. They are too paranoid about government to ever accept a government role in actions that are needed, but which private enterprise cannot achieve- and
3. They are too naïve of human nature to ever believe that we have socio-economic problems to begin with.

I'm wondering whether you're a troll, or just plain ignorant.

I don't think of myself as belligerent, or paranoid, or naive, but I could just be blind to my own faults, since your grand generalization has put me to shame.

Still, I guess I'll indulge the thought that you might be serious and ask what evidence you have to support these outrageous allegations about libertarianism.

Jagos 09-15-2005 08:56 PM

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flja posted:
Based on several years’ worth of participation...
Has anyone here reached similar conclusions?
...

There may be problems with Libertarianism but I could go on and on about what the two party system of the US has done in regards to:

1) making businesses more powerful than the people of the US
2) serving their own party needs without a thought to the Constitution
3) favoring party lines instead of patriotism to the downfall of all.

But I'll wait to see your own reasoning. Right now, it's a lot more fluff to your words and you're wanting only a reaffirmation of your own version of truth.

flja 09-16-2005 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JC123
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There may be problems with Libertarianism but I could go on and on about what the two party system of the US has done in regards to:

1) making businesses more powerful than the people of the US

The Libertarian Party’s platform calls for abolishing the Food and Drug Administration and the minimum wage laws. How would this not make business more powerful than the people of the U.S.?

flja 09-16-2005 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Illuminatus
I'm wondering whether you're a troll, or just plain ignorant.

As a libertarian you are being insulting right off the bat by calling me ignorant, thus proving my point that libertarians are belligerent.

Considering that certain libertarians I have encountered on a particular board have gone to the trouble of doing a Google search on my user name so they could follow me to other message boards, like stalkers, I am justified in concluding that libertarians are both belligerent and paranoid.

Azisien 09-16-2005 09:09 AM

I believe your problem, Flja, is that you've already drawn your conclusions on the subject, whatever they may be. Conclusions are drawn AFTER a discussion, but this discussion hasn't even started yet. Regardless of what you've participated in in other message boards, this is not other message boards, aye?

So far you've shown no support for your views, aside from taking someone's comments out of context of their intention (i.e. questioning your understanding of the rules as you are new, and pointing out how that isn't how you start a discussion...).

Well, I guess we're waiting. You've stated your conclusions, why don't you give us a little inductive reasoning?

shiney 09-16-2005 09:11 AM

Don't double post. Address all previous posts in a single post. Edit your previous one, please.

That said, you have all the hallmarks of a troll. It is highly frowned upon anywhere to make conclusive statements at the beginning of any discussion, especially one in a free-thinking forum such as this one. Your examples are crass and insulting, you have shown no possible support for the claims, and your argument of "you insulted me so obviously I am right" is complete bullshit. You reap what you sow.

Perhaps you should try to make a new first impression, before your first impression becomes your last impression. Capice?

flja 09-16-2005 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Azisien
I believe your problem, Flja, is that you've already drawn your conclusions on the subject, whatever they may be. Conclusions are drawn AFTER a discussion, but this discussion hasn't even started yet.

The conclusions I state here came after extensive discussions with libertarians on other boards.

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Regardless of what you've participated in in other message boards, this is not other message boards, aye?
I am merely asking if other posters here, non-libertarians, have had the same experience with libertarians as I have.

What do you call implying that someone is a dope user while failing to cite anything that counters that person’s beliefs, if it is not being belligerent? A libertarian on another board has done this to me.

What do you call following someone to another board so you can continue harassing them when you have cited nothing to counter that person’s views, if it is not belligerence? This also has happened to me.

And what do you call refusing the government any role in hurricane preparations if not paranoia? I have not encountered one libertarian who believes the government should have done more in preparation for hurricane Katrina because they are too afraid to let the government do anything.

flja 09-16-2005 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by shiney
Don't double post. Address all previous posts in a single post. Edit your previous one, please.

That said, you have all the hallmarks of a troll. It is highly frowned upon anywhere to make conclusive statements at the beginning of any discussion, especially one in a free-thinking forum such as this one. Your examples are crass and insulting, you have shown no possible support for the claims, and your argument of "you insulted me so obviously I am right" is complete bullshit. You reap what you sow.

Perhaps you should try to make a new first impression, before your first impression becomes your last impression. Capice?

The reactions of the libertarians on this board have demonstrated that my conclusions are correct.

And I take it that anyone who disagrees with you is taken to be a troll.

So much for freedom of speech.

Meister 09-16-2005 11:53 AM

Fuck it. What shiney said. We've seen too many of your kind.


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