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EVILNess 10-15-2005 09:20 PM

As a point of interest, animals tend to shy away from the living dead, even well trained animals. So attack dogs are out of the question.

Also, Fire = bad idea. It would take around 4 to 7 minutes for a moderately fresh zombie to be burned to the point where it can't walk. Until then it is a walking bonfire. Fire is not a zombie deterrent, they don't feel pain.

Acid, while it seems like a good idea, is ineffective to eat through flesh in the short term. It takes acids that museums use to clean the flesh off of specimen bones several hours to work, and that is the strongest acid you can get without the feds knocking on your door.

Overall, the best action for a short term zombie infestation is a well stocked house boat, since zombies lack the coordination to swim, they tend to sink to the bottom.

The ones that do float, you can pick off with a rifle.

Doug 10-15-2005 09:31 PM

Yeah, but there's no fun in that.

Until you bring chicks along.

EVILNess 10-15-2005 09:42 PM

As a die hard reader of the Zombie Survival Guide, I am seriously alarmed at your lack of seriousness in matters of such importance.

The zombie menace is real.

Don't let that governmental hogwash that they have been feeding you blind you from the truth!

Prepare!

Doug 10-15-2005 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EVILNess
As a die hard reader of the Zombie Survival Guide, I am seriously alarmed at your lack of seriousness in matters of such importance.

The zombie menace is real.

Don't let that governmental hogwash that they have been feeding you blind you from the truth!

Prepare!

No you fool, I am serious!

The usual flaw of plans is the way of getting the material, and then using it. The problem is, we do not have house-boats and if the horde is strong & big enough we'll not make it to one. Unless we take swift action at the first sign of zombies, we're pretty much done for. We live near big cities, and that means low chances of survival and supplies. N one is going to stack up on supplies, and the chances are they won't needing them as their own father bites thier throats out.

mauve 10-16-2005 01:37 AM

OK, so Mike has convinced me on the benefits of dorm living in the instance of zombie infestation.

Mimes. We need an army of mimes to distract the undead menace. They're expendable. Let's face it: They're like clowns from a film noir movie. That makes them, like, twice as evil. And silent. They can sneak up on the undead. It would work. Trust me, mimes are the scariest shit on this planet, aside from Britany Spears and Paris Hilton. Hey! Let's bring THEM along and use them as "Disposable Blonde That Gets Eaten First" so I can live to see another day.

EVILNess 10-16-2005 01:54 AM

Mmm, mimes...

Anyway, I live 20 mins from a 2 lakes full of house boats, and I have enough emergency supplies in my house for 6 people to live on for 10 days, without rationing.

My town has 2 highways and 2 Interstates running through it, every possible place to run to has multiple ways to get there in case of a blocked way.

My car has a CB radio, tools to repair an engine and remove tree limbs or other obstacles, and room for 6 and room for said supplies.

I have a 22. Rifle and 100 extra rounds on a rack in the hall. I have a cell phone and 3 extra batteries, including those chargers that run on AA batteries.

You may think that I have no life, but most of this plan is for your general disasters. Lots of bad storms and tornados where I live.

I really have looked into this though. I will not be... zombie food.

Truce 10-16-2005 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mauve Mage
OK, so Mike has convinced me on the benefits of dorm living in the instance of zombie infestation.

Mimes. We need an army of mimes to distract the undead menace. They're expendable. Let's face it: They're like clowns from a film noir movie. That makes them, like, twice as evil. And silent. They can sneak up on the undead. It would work. Trust me, mimes are the scariest shit on this planet, aside from Britany Spears and Paris Hilton. Hey! Let's bring THEM along and use them as "Disposable Blonde That Gets Eaten First" so I can live to see another day.

There's one problem with using Paris and Britany as the DBTGEF.

You see, Zombies don't sing well, they don't dance well, they don't think well, and they don't look too healthy.

Neither do they. They also have an amazing effect to turn people mindless.

Obviously, Britany Spears and Paris Hilton must be the leaders of the zombie hordes. You know, their "fans".

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Scarecrow 10-16-2005 04:01 AM

Normally when I peruse the forums I'll take the time to read some threads that interest me. This is the kind of thing that I can't get enough of... zombie survival. This particular thread is what finally pushed me over the edge into registering, if only to share the plan I have incase of zombie outbreak. I've spent a lot of time thinking about it, and it always comes to one conclusion. Wal-Mart. Why? Simple. First day that the zombie outbreak begins - you round up your group and head to walmart and split into two teams after a sweep of the area to make sure that there are no zombies.

Team one barricades the entrances (easy to do considering how much crap there is in walmart) while team two uses the time left that there is power to dehydrate and salt as much meat as possible. After team one finishes with the barricade they perform another sweep of walmart to ensure that no zombies have made it into the perimeter while they were creating the barricades (ahh, walmart, baseball bats, guns, ammo...).

Place empty garbage cans on the roof to get water to bathe with (all the bottled water in walmart should be rationed to last as long as possible) there will be plenty of food (mmm, canned goods and junk food) and entertainment, especially battery operated hand held games and such. Not to mention the other fine assortment of goodies you could find. It'd only be like what? a couple months before they decomposed beyond being dangerous?

This is all assuming that you have a super-walmart near by. Oh, and that zombies are attacking too I suppose, but feel free to practice, it could be more important than fire drills one day.
But this is only my 2 cents.... that's come from hours and hours of planning....*cough*
I'm not crazy.

Fifthfiend 10-16-2005 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow
Normally when I peruse the forums I'll take the time to read some threads that interest me. This is the kind of thing that I can't get enough of... zombie survival. This particular thread is what finally pushed me over the edge into registering, if only to share the plan I have incase of zombie outbreak. I've spent a lot of time thinking about it, and it always comes to one conclusion. Wal-Mart. Why? Simple. First day that the zombie outbreak begins - you round up your group and head to walmart and split into two teams after a sweep of the area to make sure that there are no zombies.

Team one barricades the entrances (easy to do considering how much crap there is in walmart) while team two uses the time left that there is power to dehydrate and salt as much meat as possible. After team one finishes with the barricade they perform another sweep of walmart to ensure that no zombies have made it into the perimeter while they were creating the barricades (ahh, walmart, baseball bats, guns, ammo...).

Place empty garbage cans on the roof to get water to bathe with (all the bottled water in walmart should be rationed to last as long as possible) there will be plenty of food (mmm, canned goods and junk food) and entertainment, especially battery operated hand held games and such. Not to mention the other fine assortment of goodies you could find.

This is all assuming that you have a super-walmart near by. Oh, and that zombies are attacking too I suppose, but feel free to practice, it could be more important than fire drills one day.
But this is only my 2 cents.... that's come from hours and hours of planning....*cough*
I'm not crazy.

There's a couple holes there. Your big problem with WallyWorld is going to be other people. If you live in a pretty populated area, chances are your local Wal-Mart will be pretty packed with people grabbing supplies. Hell, the stores are usually packed when the weather forecast calls for snow, let alone any kind of real disaster (You might be better off with, say, a Target - they usually have decent supplies of food/other necessities, but it wouldn't be the first place your average panicky housewife is going to think to run). And of course, any location packed with people is liable to very quickly become a location packed with zombies.

If you can find a location that isn't either swarming with people or turned into a zombie nest, then you're in pretty good shape. You stil have to watch out for one thing - lots of Wal-Marts / grocery stores have those long, wide windows across the front. Don't even waste your time trying to barricade a location like that, sooner or later the zombies will get through the windows. If it's a closed-face location then you should be able to seal it off pretty well, although as with any ground-level location you're still dealing with some level of inherent risk. So no matter how tightly you think you've sealed things up, you'll still want to be on your guard.

Scarecrow 10-16-2005 04:46 AM

The benefit I have is not living in a highly populated area, but I'll admit it does get crowded. We're also lucky enough to not have those big long windows - the only windows in our walmart are in the very front, and there is still a set of doors after them.
Also not fortunate enough to have a target - the next best thing we have is probably... a dunken donuts... or the local super market. I guess I should have given a bit of a background. Still - you do bring up a good point about the people... never really any natural disasters (note, this excludes snow because it snows all the freaking time) so I'm not sure how people would react to zombie stuff on the news.

The main idea here is having food, supplies, and enough entertainment so that you don't kill the people you're holed up with. Any suggestions for crowd control? I'm thinking either pulling a fire alarm or shouting "The zombies are here, everyone get out while you can!"

Raiden 10-16-2005 09:58 AM

I would think that a small group of people carrying rifles, shotguns, flamethrowers, and the like would clear out a Wal-mart pretty damn fast.

The mall like they had in Dawn of the Dead would be nice. In fact, they probably could have waited it out if they didn't have to leave to feed that gun guy.

But the mall was a great set-up. There were doors on each side, but they were locked and the zombies didn't have the strength to break them. The only way to get to the higher levels they stayed in was through elevator, and you could either deactivate the thing when you weren't using it, or always just pop them if they managed to use it. They had access to the roof, which was nice.

Really, the only thing they hadn't counted on was the zombies that got into the parking garage underground.

Doug 10-16-2005 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow
The main idea here is having food, supplies, and enough entertainment so that you don't kill the people you're holed up with. Any suggestions for crowd control? I'm thinking either pulling a fire alarm or shouting "The zombies are here, everyone get out while you can!"

Lecture them.

Tell them shoving that poor little boy to the ground for those undigestable microwave meals is wrong, tell them panicking and running around like idiots is annoying, and tell them if they do not cooperate then they'll all get eaten by gruesome zombies who only know the one phrase, "brains!" Use the public announcer too to get your voice heard. If it doesn't work, get a gun and fire onto the air to get their attention. Just make sure the wal-mart doesn't have one either.

MasterOfMagic 10-16-2005 12:19 PM

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There's a couple holes there. Your big problem with WallyWorld is going to be other people. If you live in a pretty populated area, chances are your local Wal-Mart will be pretty packed with people grabbing supplies.
Not only does this give you the problems you normally get when you throw a thousand crazed maniacs into one store, but also makes it a prime zombie target. Lots o' them brains in one spot...Maybe they aren't being used, but the brains are still there.

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Lecture them.
Alternatively, convince someone else to lecture them. Just in case they get angry about their lecturer's high-and-mighty attitude, and decide to use their various weapons to take him/her down a notch.

Besides, you should never do something when you can have someone do it for you. *nod nod*

Squishy Cheeks 10-16-2005 05:35 PM

Just remember "2-4-5 Trioxin" will make super unkillable zombies. You have to burn them or electrocute them to destroy them. Even decapitation won't work except to make a zombie head and a headless body.

EVILNess 10-16-2005 05:38 PM

First rule of zombie survival.

Think of the best, most obvious place to run to when it happens. Now, don't go there. MasterOfMagic laid it down in a nutshell. Think small, family owned sporting good stores, smaller hardware stores, places where people wont think to go first.

You need to secure 4 things, in this order:

1. Water:
Should be your first priority, a human can go a week without food, but only 3 days without water, less if you are running. Should be rationed if there is a limited supply, and drank miltary style if you have a supply where running out is not an option, to avoid dehydration. Gas stations are a good easy source, if you want to avoid crowds.

2. Food:
You may can go a few days without food, but everyone gets hungry. Canned and dry foods are your friends. Most stores have some food on display near the registers, even if they dont sell any. Remember this, a big grocery store is the last place you want to go. Not because of the zombies, even though they are always a factor, but because of the crowds.

3. Shelter:
A safe place to hole up where you cannot be reached, houseboats and places with 6ft or higher walls are ideal. If all else fails get on your roof.

4. Tools and a way to defend yourself:
Get a water purifier. End of discussion. Tools such as hand axes and machetes form dual purposes, to clear paths and defend yourself, and are easy to use and maintain. Toilet paper is a good pickup too.
Rifles are good if you are a good shot, but pistols are a little more hit and miss. Never use a weapon you cannot use properly, unless you know Bushido, you have no business with a katana. This includes guns too. If you can't shoot a gun accurately at 20 yds then you probably should hand it off to another person.
Remember small caliber rifles are your best bet, they are easy to shoot, ammo is relatively light, and they are easy to get. Avoid fancy stuff, simple is best.
You may think a flamethrower is the anti zombie weapon, but A) Flame-Throwers are miltary issue B) It is illegal to own an operational Flame-Thrower C) They were discontinued by the army so they will be hard to come by and expensive D) Ammunition is hard to come by. How many stores sell napalm?

ZERO. 10-16-2005 06:14 PM

I live close to a base so guns and ammo arent a problem, the base also has very large thick walls and its has tanks and things like that if I could get some ammo for the tank turrent and learn to fighure out how to frive it I could make it to a general store and take food and water if things get to rough I could stock pile seeds and watter for farming, and I put emphasis on if.

Doug 10-16-2005 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ZERO.
I live close to a base so guns and ammo arent a problem the base also has very large thick walls and its has tanks and things like that if i could get some ammo for the tank turrent and learn to fighure out how to frive it i could make it to a general store and tske food and waterif thing get to rough i could stock pile seeds and watter for farming

First of all, talk about what you just said.

It has tanks, turrets, and very large thick walls. That base right there itself is a safety place, and also, the hell are you going to take that turrent without getting shot by the people there? People, don't say things you can't do at all.

mammothtank 10-16-2005 06:29 PM

Hmm... I don't know how good of a fighter I'd be, and my earlier comment about tanks was just an idea. In reality, I have no access to decent weapons of any kind. I'm a good sprinter, but what would that be useful for? A decoy?

Raiden 10-16-2005 06:32 PM

A store near me sells swords for $20.

I know how to use them. I'll be good.

Doug 10-16-2005 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiden
A store near me sells swords for $20.

I know how to use them. I'll be good.

The flaw, problem, etc of that is your endurance.

It'll tire you out too swiftly, and energy is just as important as water.

MasterOfMagic 10-16-2005 07:50 PM

Perhaps, if he tries to take on an entire zombie horde. I don't believe he is that suicidal, however. ( Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ) Just using the sword when he happens to come upon a zombie, and running if there are too many to fight, and he'd be fine. Zombies are pretty slow, after all.

plustax101 10-16-2005 08:49 PM

The concept of a reanimeted corpse biting you and in turn turning YOU into a reanimeted corpse is an amusing diversion offered by holloywood.

Esstiantly this webpage expreeses my views on zombies.I feel sorry for the hatian

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

At the very bottom on the left click on zombies.

wyvern_55 10-17-2005 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug
No, you see...

If the building _mike mentioned is tall enough, the fall would smash the zombie's body into bite-size pieces like Reeses, or at least immoblize them for the meanwhile. Unless I'm not imagining the building correctly... It's not like the whole horde of zombies are after us, so the grease is able to get rid of them for the moment. Is anybody know how to construct explosions out of ordinary house-hold items? It'll sure come in handy when the masses come that's for sure.



I know a few,
Two parts Vaseline & one part gasoline = plastic explosives
Gasoline + Styrofoam = napalm
Potassium chlorate + sulfuric acid = explosion without need of fire
One part aluminum powder + Three parts rust powder + ignited magnesium ribbon = thermite


I love chemistry! can I join your outpost of humanity’s last resort?

EVILNess 10-17-2005 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wyvern_55
I love chemistry! can I join your outpost of humanity’s last resort?

Yes, yes you can, but not for the explosives. Even though, that is a plus. We shall need all we can muster to turn back the zombie hordes.

Also, no offense but a $20 sword ain't killing nothing. The best you could do is stab someone. They don't hold an edge, are unbalanced, and are made of inferior metal. Go for the machete, $10, lighter, one handed, and will last longer.

I know I keep harping on it, but napalm and fire in general is a BAD idea. Walking Dead + Flame = Flaming Walking Dead. Also grenades and shotguns (Buckshot) are not really good anti zombie weapons. They kill by shrapnel.

shiney 10-17-2005 03:19 AM

The dawn has broken.

The morning sun has vanquished the curse.


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