White Supremisists = teh suck
 

It's just one of those things that you push to the back of your mind, and then stupid 'primetime' has to do a 'special report' on it.

It's curious to me how such inherintly negative (and erronious) propaganda is accepted by anyone sane enough to organize groups of these people.

The most disturbing thing is the people who raise children with those belifes - the idea that Hitler, or any other white supremisist figure was a good person, not just in spite of, but becuase of what they did? Killing or espousing the 'virtures' of harming ethnic minorities?

It's just weird. Its one of those things that just angers me to my core, in some part becuase I can't understand it. I guess not 'getting it' might be a good thing, in some ways.

I hate to say it, but if the holocaust never happened Hitler and his philosophies wouldn’t be considered nearly as evil. Not that I think the holocaust didn’t happen, but if someone where to be convinced of that…

The danger is these groups are becokming more popular as white people keep having to take a backseat by law because apparently people of color are still soooo oppressed that everyone who isn't a "minority" is instantly disqualified (perceived) from certain pursuits.

It's not like I consider myself a racist but these equality advocacy groups keep ramming this bullshit down our throats about how the white man is wrong and is keeping them down, the whole 'pass the buck' mentality. It's not my fault as a white guy that some dude would rather smoke pot and sleep all day than get an education. And really, if a black, asian, latino, whatever color person has necessary qualifications the likelihood is they will get the job - for now anyways. But if this forced equality where we give merit based on the color of the skin rather than the qualifications (sounds an awful lot like segregation, but in a sort of reverse way) continues then it can only be imagined that eventually there will be bitterness and racial relationships could take ah uge step backward.

I know it happens because I get very bitter myself over the huge false sense of entitlement that a lot of people display (yes, whites too, so maybe this is actually a rant against all these sort of people) and the expectations that just because they came from a certain background, they are not only eligibile for a position but it is expected to be given, lest they have to file a lawsuit.

This ended up being a fair bit of a rant I guess. I'm just sick of associations like the NAACP promoting this difference in the genders and furthering the mistrust and bitterness between races. If they wanted equality, they wouldn't exist in this form, as once equality is truly achieved then we no longer have a need for their organization and they are all out of a job.

White supremacists are worse though, no doubt about it. At least other people don't tend to torture and murder with a specific agenda in mind.

P.S. sorry for the threadjacking.

Funny, I was thinking on something like this general topic before coming to the forums this morning.

First, I'm a white, conservative, Southern (accent included) male with a German heritage on the paternal side and rednecks and a possible relation to Robert E. Lee on the maternal. My existence is as politically incorrect as you're going to get, especially if you include the ironic stereotypes implied in those attributes.

That said, I wish I had some examples of white supremacy to comment on. Someone got an article or comments from supremacists to show us? In their absence, I'll spend the day theorizing about what causes it, compare my thoughts with the article, and tell you what I think.

Incidentally, part of the reason for Hitler's popularity had to do with bringing Germany out of a depression that, from what I've heard, makes our Great one look like a little child crying for a bigger allowance. You are aware there are people who call the Holocaust a hoax? Including at least one book written on the matter? I don't have an exact title, but I think it said something about the "biggest hoax of the twentieth century" or something similar.

From Michael Crook's website.

I proceeded to talk to him about it, and then he showed his intelligence in 3 quotes:

"Violence is all their ilk knows."

"The only reason coloreds get anywhere in life is affirmative action. Hopefully the government will clean that mess up soon."

"He's not black..he's a racial mistake." (about Colin Powell, I mean, what the CRAP?)

I gotta say, White Supremasits have got to be some of the dumbest poeple I've known. "OmG! T3h J3ws ar3 G0D-M0DDING!" Yeah, seriously folks.

And for the "Holocaust Hoax" junk, those people have got to be idiotic. "It's all a hoax pressed upon us by the Jews! THE JEWS I SAY! They're taking over the economy AND THE NEWS! HELP!"

If you SERIOUSLY want brain damage, go to Stormfront.org.

White supremist site, and trust me, they don't take kindly to people challenging them..

oohhh MY GOD! (or is it ZOH?) that is.thats.that,
That, That right there, that's messed up
funny funny, oh and Shiney,
are you denying that racisim still exists?
I'm not gonna tell you my two recent obligatory
police stopping moments I'm just gonna say both times we were
ON FOOT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSES

Strange how the responses Althane got sound a lot like Jack Thompson, just replaced coloreds with videogames.

And now that I have my Wacko Jacko attack done for the day, my point is still valid. Nearly all biased and prejudiced people say nearly the exact same thing, only with different things they hate.

The thing is, this hatred they have is learned. People do not genetically hate other people. It's only when they're raised in a household that drills into their head that hating these people is not only okay, but encouraged, then you're going to have a messed up kid that grows up into a messed up adult, who in turn will likely have messed up kids of his own, and so on and so forth.

Yeah I only hate racists I'm a racisitist, so sue me you racist lovign bastards :)

In all fairness, I can't walk around in public without being stopped by the fuzz, either. Not in the nice side of town, and not even out in the country. It might not be racial - some people just have cop magnets, I suppose.

I'll just offer up some tidbits I know from gestalt psychology. The niche started in Germany in 1920s; it studies how people make patterns. I think this will make for a good, quick example -- note that you see a square, even though no square is present. Here we demonstrate two points: first, that perception is subjective and that we as humans read into the environment, and second, that a complex stimulus cannot necessarily be reduced to the sum of its parts (ie: if you just list four pacman shapes, you've lost the square).

Later, the concept of "schemas" was mentioned. In general, but also particularly as children develop, the world becomes organized into increasingly complex shemas, patterns of organization and categorization of knowledge. Sparing you all what I think would be the more boring part of the lecture, as far as this discussion goes, schemas could include things like: spoken language, the concept of good and evil, the expected script for a blind date, meanings of facial expressions. Some of those are obviously more complex and abstract than others -- remember I mentioned children, before, the theory suggests that our schemas are built on each other to become increasingly complex as we develop.

One example. If I ask you to think of a bird, what do you think of? Doubtless something along the lines of a flying, feathered creature that always poops on my car (grah). But what about penguins? They don't have feathers, and yet they're still birds. You have to think longer or harder to include them in your concept of what a bird is. More obvious is the example of whales; you'll have a heck of a time convincing some kids that they aren't a kind of fish, but as we age, we're more able to accept the more complex information which reveals that they are, in fact, mammals.

People have a slight (some would say major) tendency to favor information which supports information they know over that which contradicts their given categorizations. This is in part because the further something deviates from our known categories and schemas, the harder we have to think to categorize it. We might call this tendency cognitive conservatism. On the upside, this helps us understand complex ideas more easily; on the downside, truly novel ideas can be difficult to get across.

Schemas play a major role in determining a person's expectations, inferences, and behavior.

What am I getting at, you're probably wondering by now? Well, before I mentioned schemas involving birds and whales. Do you have seperate schemas for men and women? What about different races? When I ask you to picture a white man, what do you see? A black man? Asian? French? British? American? Muslim? If we have differing images of these people based on these traits, it must follow that we have -- at least slightly -- differing expectations, scripts for how they act, I think.

Your scripts may be harmless. I suspect a racist's scripts for these people would be less so. How did these negative scripts develop?

Just some food for thought.

And getting into the area which is purely my own speculation, I've noticed that a good number of people tend to think in ways to make themselves feel superior, whether exaggerating their importance or their power. We try to make ourselves feel above other people, or better.

In debates, why do people take the opposing sides? Some would say it's only natural. Others? "Well, because they're stupid, of course."

Take high school cliques, people talking about the stupid skaters, or the pretentious preppies, "Cheer up, emo kids!" and the like.

Many who've seen Rocky Horror will call those who haven't "mundanes." There are plenty of experiences people use to elevate themselves -- "Oh, you've never had sex, you wouldn't understand." You've never done drugs. You've never been married. You've never had kids.

Those are just the first few decent examples that came to mind. I think the more obvious the difference, the easier it is for people to put down a group. Could this apply to racism, if people learn to elevate themselves in this way through race?