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The Christian Exodus

heres the story accompanied with a video
http://foxcarolina.com/Global/story....&nav=menu149_3

actual Christian Exodus website
http://christianexodus.org/

Note for replys: please follow the forum rules and dont turn this religious. View them as just a group of people who want to change the laws of a state in accordance with what they think is best.

I saw this on the news last night and remembered my Gov't teacher (same guy as my Euro and Econ teacher this year) showed us a show of "The Awful Truth" done by Micheal Moore which covered this. At first I didn't believe this was going to go through but now that its hit mainstream news, I'm beggining to take this exodus seriously. According to Fox Carolina, 6 families have moved so far into the palmetto state. What do you guys think of this as a means to change laws?

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By this time next year, 2500 are supposed to move here. So far 6 have found their way.

*rolls eyes* whatever.

I can't see that working.

While we are talking about exoduses, though. Have you heard of the free state project?

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The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property. The success of the Project would likely entail reductions in taxation and regulation, reforms at all levels of government to expand individual rights and free markets, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and the world.

Sounds more agreeable to me.

I like how they talk about the constitution as if it were "Godly" in the first place. Their freaking opening paragraph is liberally sprinkled with errors, from assuming the founding fathers were fundamentalist christians, to claiming evolution disproven.

I'm so glad the numbers 6. It's laughable. I know movements start out small, but I hope every last talk show host makes a wise crack about this.

They also did an Interview with some of the people who moved already.
http://foxcarolina.com/Global/story.asp?S=4124939

Also, weren't most of the founding fathers Deist?

also, it strikes me as odd that theres 182 GUESTS online at the Christian Exodus web page but no actual members.

Looking further into their Site I also found their Position statement.

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Originally Posted by CE

Our Intention:

ChristianExodus.org is an association of Christians who no longer wish to live under the unjust usurpation of powers by the federal government, and therefore resolves to formally disassociate itself from this tyrannical authority, and return to the model of governance of a constitutional republic. We seek a republican government constrained by constitutionally delegated powers. If this cannot be achieved within the United States, then we believe a peaceful withdrawal from the union to be the last available remedy.

Intentions for government:

ChristianExodus.org seeks a decentralized, confederated government where the majority of power rests with local municipalities. Decentralized, local power enables the electorate to correct abuses quickly and inexpensively. It offers access to justice for even the least privileged in society. It secures the rights of the minority and the majority alike. Local government offers people choices and variety by way of easy relocation to a nearby community more in tune with their beliefs. Decentralized power promotes competition between communities that desire to attract new residents. That government is best which governs least and resides closest to the people

Racial and nationality discrimination:

ChristianExodus.org demands that all races be treated equally as children of God. All people originate from the same Creator and are therefore equal in His sight, and must be treated equally before the law. ChristianExodus.org will not tolerate any racial hatred or discrimination by its members. Additionally, once in South Carolina, ChristianExodus.org members will work to ensure equal access to and treatment before the law for all God's people irrespective of color or national origin.

Education:

It is the responsibility of parents to train up their children in the way they should go. The ultimate success or failure to educate children rests with parents. A community has the right to establish public schools to educate its children. Local control of education is paramount. Funding of local schools should come exclusively from local revenue. The local community alone should generate the policies and values expressed in schools.

ChristianExodus.org prefers the privatization of education whether in the form of private schools or home schooling because public administration is far less efficient

Religious tests for citizenship:

ChristianExodus.org does not desire the establishment of a theocracy where religious tests are required for citizenship. Also see our position on religious freedom above.

The 14th Amendment:

ChristianExodus.org holds that the 14th Amendment was enacted rather than being properly ratified. The history of this amendment is fraught with scandal and unscrupulous actions. The Amendment was properly voted on and properly rejected; only after the dissenting states were not allowed a vote was the Amendment passed.

This fraudulent act redefined the Federal government and its relationship to "The People". We hold that it is the right of the various States to nullify this Amendment and all laws and court rulings arising from it.

16th Amendment:

We hold that the various States should repeal the 16th Amendment, which grants Congress the power to directly tax the people. Direct taxation of the people is contrary to the original intent of the Union and deprives the States of a powerful check on federal excess.

17th Amendment:

We hold that the various States should repeal the 17th Amendment, which provides for the direct election of Senators. The manner in which Senators are elected or selected is a matter that should be left to the States as the original Constitution intended. Direct elections have resulted in a marked reduction in the power of the States to influence Federal actions and policies.

Getting racial equality in the FIRST state to secede from the union to UPHOLD slavery. Ironic isn't it?

Interesting how they don't take into account how separation of church and state exists to protect the church from the state, not the other way around.

I don't think this will really go anywhere; the Church isn't one solid organization; there are so many different denominations and sects, it would be rather difficult to unite them into something this consistent. Then again, they pulled it off for at least one translation of the Bible. Maybe they have hope. (Word "they" used because I'm not really excited over this.)

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Children who pray in public schools are subject to prosecution

I can't link directly to their page on that, but how many of those items are true and how many are apochryphal? That page is setting off alarms in my head.

I'd ask whether these people remember learning about the success rate of utopian society projects in high school, but I'm guessing they either didn't graduate or convinced themselves that history is a tool of the liberal conspiracy, so whatevs.

As far as South Carolina, it'll be fun watching from a distance as it collapses into a swamp of meth abuse and sexually transmitted disease, and as far as New Hampshire, like they'll notice 20,000 more rich pricks with no real problems who are pathologically pissed off at the thought of actually having to give back to society?

I like the idea, really.

I mean, their ideas for government aren't all that bad. You could drop every amendment if you left the federal and state governments with next to 0 power and made it city to city, and it wouldn't matter so long as you kept it democratic. Most of their 'problems' would get worse. The world would become, as a whole, less conservative, because 'conservative' defined, means to resist change. The laws of the world would become incredibly fluid in such a system, allowing for them to adapt to change back and forth in a matter of hours, instead of decades. Getting a billion people to vote to allow gays to marry is much harder than getting ten thousand to do the same, for instance. Granted, it can go the other way as well, and will... but it means that there will be cities where pot and sodomy are illegal, and others where pot is sold in liquor stores and gay prostitution is taxed... and you got a nice married lesbian couple living next door.

But, more than that... it means a lot of right wing zealots (note: I mean so right wing even the Ann Coulter is like, "WTF, Mate?") leaving the US and forming their own little hell hole wherein they're free to repress whatever religious, sexual, women's or speech rights they want, while the rest of us can live in peace, free of their bitching.

I really hope they suceed in seceding.

I love the right wing hatred of taxes. It makes me laugh.

Oh no you have to pay money to live here. So what. i gladly pay my taxes, in fact I think we should pay more. Do you even consider the fraction of services your country provides you. It protects you from outside threats, it protects you from criminals, it provides you with an adequete education, It secures you the right to say what ever B.S. oppinion you have to anyone so long as you don't threaten them, and it allows you to pick and choose the leadership. Honestly these services are amazingly cheap.

DaBigg--One Man's utopia is another man's hell hole... and these are people SO upset by gay people getting the right to marry OUTSIDE of church and abortions being legal that they want to create their own country... I somehow doubt that they're going to do it 'right'.

And even if they did, I'd still rather live over here without them, with other people who don't stick to christian ideals as my partners in law making, while they do whatever they want over there.

Really, at worst it would be bad for them and good for everyone else, and at best it'd be good for everyone (them, and those of us left).

They have different views than the majority of the country, apparently (or they wouldn't have to leave to get a country that respects those views), and so, by getting them out of the country, they get one that follows their views, and the rest of us get one than follows ours.

It's win win.

I was also being a little facetious and lighthearted in that last post... incase you didn't notice, incase the 'hellhole' and 'Wtf, mate!?' comments didn't tip you, or anyone else, off.