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adamark 01-06-2006 03:49 PM

I don't get it
 
I've been unemployed for the last couple of months. I am searching for a part time job right now that I can continue when the semester starts back up. I found THIS, a paid internship that looks right up my ally.

In tiny red print it within the job description it says:
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Must be African American, Latino, Native American, have an SAT Score at least 1000 combined, 3.0 GPA, U.S. Citizen or Perm Resident Freshman, Sophomore, Junior (with 2 summers available before graduation) attending a accredited University or College.
There were about 30 listings of small cities nearby, each with multiple businesses that use Inroads. Obviously they have a lot of openings, so why bother to discriminate against me because I was born white? I want to work, and this is an opportunity, but I will remain unemployed (hopefully not for long) because this is a closed door. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't get it.

Lockeownzj00 01-06-2006 04:57 PM

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INROADS remains the only minority organization ever to receive this honor.
I think it's stupid, too, but apparently its "M.O." is being a 'minority organization.' It kind of seems ridiculous to me, but in a way I can see its purpose.

Fifthfiend 01-06-2006 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by adamark
I've been unemployed for the last couple of months. I am searching for a part time job right now that I can continue when the semester starts back up. I found THIS, a paid internship that looks right up my ally.

In tiny red print it within the job description it says:

There were about 30 listings of small cities nearby, each with multiple businesses that use Inroads. Obviously they have a lot of openings, so why bother to discriminate against me because I was born white? I want to work, and this is an opportunity, but I will remain unemployed (hopefully not for long) because this is a closed door. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't get it.

Because Inroads is a placement organization whose entire purpose is to get minorities into internships which are predominantly awarded to white kids, and because its ad apparently pops up for any city or ZIP code you enter at the linked-to site, which at a glance might give the impression 'multiple nearby businesses' that use Inroads, though all of the ads lead to the same home page with further information as to their regional offerings.*

But it is amazing how sensitive some white people become to racial issues at the faintest suggestion that there might be something from which they are being excluded.



*assuming you're from Connecticut their offices nearest to you appear to be in NYC, at which "Some of our top sponsoring companies include J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., Moody's Investors Service, AXA Client Solutions, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP, and Verizon. "

I mean are you seriously arguing that white people are being excluded from internships at JP Morgan?

adamark 01-06-2006 09:07 PM

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But it is amazing how sensitive some white people become to racial issues at the faintest suggestion that there might be something from which they are being excluded.
I don't see why it amazes you...

Here's how I look at it: There are businesses that need employees. There are people who want to work.

Where does race factor in? Ability is all that matters -- or SHOULD matter.

What I think is interesting is a people who were excluded for SO LONG, can just as easily turn around and exclude others right back, committing the very injustice they suffered under.

Fifthfiend 01-06-2006 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by adamark
I don't see why it amazes you...

Here's how I look at it: There are businesses that need employees. There are people who want to work.

Where does race factor in? Ability is all that matters -- or SHOULD matter.

What I think is interesting is a people who were excluded for SO LONG, can just as easily turn around and exclude others right back, committing the very injustice they suffered under.

Except that they aren't excluding anybody from anything.

Inroads is not saying that you are not allowed to intern at JP Morgan.

Nor is it keeping you from being hired at Lockheed Martin.

It exists to promote qualified minority candidates for positions which typically would have little or no representation of those groups in their hiring.

Such a group does not exist for the promotion of white people because white people already represent the overwhelming majority of such organizations' hiring.

Inroads is not excluding you, as a white person, from anything, it is endeavoring to ensure that other people, who are not white, are also not excluded.

adamark 01-06-2006 11:14 PM

I think you are making a mistake by looking at the forest and not the individual trees -- so to speak.

I don't operate as a "white male" looking to advance my gender or race. I am an individual in competition with all other individuals.
Inroads is just a form of racism because it focuses only on the race of a person.
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Inroads is not excluding you, as a white person, from anything, it is endeavoring to ensure that other people, who are not white, are also not excluded.
Inroads is promoting or aiding a certain group of people based on the color of their skin, whether they are more capable or not to do the job. What other groups exist that do the same thing (promoting individuals on the basis of skin color)? KKK, neo-Nazis, black panthers, and others...

To me it's the same shit, just a different asshole.

I'm just opposed to it on principle. Hope you understand.

Krylancelo 01-07-2006 12:34 AM

Statistically speaking, what they're doing evens out poverty/unemployment rates between races. You're saying that all should be treated fairly, which makes sense, but the fact is that certain ethnicities have natural disadvantages (again, statistically speaking) and these programs help to offset those, making it more fair for everyone. They're effectively TRYING to even things out.

Raerlynn 01-07-2006 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Krylancelo
Statistically speaking, what they're doing evens out poverty/unemployment rates between races. You're saying that all should be treated fairly, which makes sense, but the fact is that certain ethnicities have natural disadvantages (again, statistically speaking) and these programs help to offset those, making it more fair for everyone. They're effectively TRYING to even things out.

But the problem is this very setup commits the crime it hopes to prohibit. Racism is defined simply as using the person's race to determine qualification, not ability, experience, willingness, grades, money, or anything else. It commits the crime of racism against the caucasian. (sp?)

RaiRai 01-07-2006 06:15 AM

Isn't there any group you can contact to claim discrimination? I applied for the police force over here in the UK and was told that I couldn't get a job at my local office because they're looking for racial minorities. (And also I'm female, they were looking for male candidates.) What they fail to realise is that in my local area, white people are the racial minority. That and the fact that the jobs haven't been taken up yet, so surely they should broaden their search into anyone of any category.

VeryGnawty 01-07-2006 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Raerlynn
But the problem is this very setup commits the crime it hopes to prohibit.

I agree. There's no use in fighting monsters if you yourself become a monster.

"Reverse Racism" may even things out, but at what cost? Is the exclusion of whites in the name of "evening things out" any more right than slavery of old?

Do the ends justify the means?


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