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Cartoons and Global Free Speech

The Articles.

http://www.sltrib.com/nationworld/ci_3480324

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/bullet...60905/23e659e9

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/ht...602050013.html

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...-29277,00.html

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_4144157.htm

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...all_danes_now/

The cartoons in question. http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

First things First. If this becomes anything other than a discussion of freedom of speech, I'd like the mods to close this thread. So keep Religious beliefs out of this.

Mind you i remember Catholics protesting Dogma when it came out, but I also remember it being only like 25 to 30 wackos. Not whole nations of people, and no one was killed and no property was damaged. Kevin smith even had a great quote about his protesters

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"Fuck them if they can't take a joke."

Are these cartoons in bad taste? Yes. Are they Stupid? Yes. If the muslim community ignored them would anyone have even noticed them? No, by making such a big stink over them, they are making people curious about the cartoons. In essence they are being counter productive.

I'm confused why they are making a big fuss over these cartoons when Trey Parker of South Park made Muhammad a "Super Best Friend," had Mr. Garrison tell a muslim to "get off your heathen ass and fucking celebrate [Christmas]," and made the funny (but probably insulting) Team America, World Police.

"Humor is the great thing, the saving thing. The minute it crops up, all our irritation and resentments slip away, and a sunny spirit takes their place."
~Mark Twain

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Half of my family is Arabian, and part of them are Muslims. The cartoons are indeed really stupid, but I don't see why people should lose good nights of sleep because of this.

In the other hand, the cartoons were published in newspapers all over Europe. It would be impossible to cause little comotion, I guess.

I live in Europe and was kind of waiting for someone to talk about this.
I know a lot of Muslims feel it is an insult, however a lot don't care, so to even get into that area would be a mute point.

I do believe they should have just ignored it, by protesting they are just provoking the people who originally wrote it to do more. I actually saw an interview on TV with the editor of the newspaper and he was..for lack of better words...an idiot. I wouldn't have given him the time of day, so I think it is a waste to protest because of him. I also don't understand why they are burning down embassies and consoles because of it. The governments can't do anything about it, they have the right to publish it, even if it does make them look like idiots.

Gotta quote my man Neal Boortz on this issue:
Please read through the entirety and do some research and mental composition BEFORE completely lambasting it and myself. Please.

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Muslim outrage huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just some lowlights:

Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.
Come on, is this really about cartoons? They're rampaging and burning flags. They're looking for Europeans to kidnap. They're threatening innkeepers and generally raising holy Muslim hell not because of any outrage over a cartoon. They're outraged because it is part of the Islamic jihadist culture to be outraged. You don't really need a reason. You just need an excuse. Wandering around, destroying property, murdering children, firing guns into the air and feigning outrage over the slightest perceived insult is to a jihadist what tailgating is to a Steeler's fan.
I know and understand that these bloodthirsty murderers do not represent the majority of the world's Muslims. When, though, do they become outraged? When do they take to the streets to express their outrage at the radicals who are making their religion the object of worldwide hatred and ridicule? Islamic writer Salman Rushdie wrote of these silent Muslims in a New York Times article three years ago. "As their ancient, deeply civilized culture of love, art and philosophical reflection is hijacked by paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants, fanatics and violence junkies, why are they not screaming?"
Indeed. Why not?

And the follow-up posted today.

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THIS IS NOT ABOUT SOME CARTOONS

The publication of these cartoons of Mohammed are not the reason for the rioting and violence. They are the excuse. Islamic protesters burned down the Danish consulate in Beirut in response to those cartoons making fun of Islam. Riots are ongoing, cars are being overturned and at least one person is dead in Afghanistan. Pakistan is boycotting prescription drugs from companies based in countries where the cartoons were published.

This is absolutely insane. What we are witnessing is the ultimate conclusion to militant political correctness. Many leftists would excuse this behavior...because these Muslims are "offended." Know this: in the world of liberals, there is no greater crime known to man than offending Muslims. The more violent radical Islamists become the more the politically correct elements make excuses for them.

This religion is rapidly getting out of control. Muslims can murder 200 school children and their parents, shooting kids in the back, in Chechnya and the Muslim world hardly pauses a moment to notice. Let someone draw a cartoon of their so-called "prophet" and they start burning embassies and looking for Europeans to kidnap or murder. The more our Western leaders make excuses for their behavior, the bolder they become. These Muslims torching embassies and rioting around the world are not what we might consider highly educated. They have little or no understanding of Western culture and the concept of freedom of the press is entirely beyond the grasp of most of them. They believe that anything printed in any newspaper constitutes the official opinion of that country's government.

These riots and demonstrations are not about those cartoons, they are about freedom. One protestor was seen carrying a sign that said Freedom go hell. To these Islamic jihadist criminals freedom is an enemy. A religion that says you must either convert, kill or enslave those who don't believe as you is not a religion that would embrace freedom. Whether the politically correct like it or not, this is a religion that is anathema to our way of life and the liberties we hold dear.

There was another sign being carried by these Islamic rioters. It said "Europe. Take some lessons from 9/11." I sure I don't have to explain the threat implicit in that sign. Actually, this is a good thing. I wish the Islamic radicals would wave more of those "Europe. Take some lessons from 9/11" signs. The train bombings in Spain and the subway bombings in London apparently weren't enough. Maybe these riots will convince the Euro-snobs that Islamic fanatics and their myrmidons pose as much a threat to them, perhaps more of a threat, as they do to the people of the United States.

Who knows ... maybe even some Americans will wake up. Democrats, for instance.

What I find hilarious is that they seem to be up in arms over some simple images, but what about the ones that are giving all of Islam a bad name? What about the Islamofascist terrorists slaughtering thousands? Where's the uprising over that? :thief:

I agree with Rhyos, and the fact that embassies were razed is...shocking. A failure of the human intellect, to say the least.

The funny thing is, it all really does point to Saudi Arabia reviving the issue to distract from the criticisms of its own failures, like how it dealt with the Mecca stampedes.

I've also been waiting for a thread on this, but was unsure how to approach it.

The amusing thing about this is they claim the Americans are barbarians, they insult Christianity left and right, and we don't say crap about it. We just take it. But if we mock their religion once, its grounds for the entire muslim religion to riot.

Complete failure of intellect? No, complete failure of humanity.

I agree with Raerlynn entirely.

*Prepare for something that just might grate against a lot of people! You have been warned! :thief:*

As a white American male, I've noticed quite a bit about "minorities": Most that I've come across favor equal treatment. I'm a firm believer that the only "race" that should matter is the human race. Skin color means just as much to me as hair, eye, or car color. As such, I believe that all should take responsibility for their own shortcomings. This is where the grating starts.

Double standards sure are a pain in the ass, aren't they? In both Muslim and Black cultures, I've observed a double-standard that sickens me. With equal treatment comes equal criticizm, and these two groups in particular seem to refuse to accept that. There is a series of protests in Europe *either France or England* in which Muslim hooligans are defacing billboards depicting women unveiled. Most of Europe has prided themselves as advocates of equal rights and socilalization, yet it appears the Muslim culture is crying "me me me!lolz" when it comes to observance of their customs, and "Death to Infidel!" whenever asked to observe those of another culture. It comes down to hypocricy, which, as any who know me know, I can't stand.

:thief:

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Originally Posted by Raerlynn

Why should you feel bad about insulting the culture or religion of an infidel? [/sarcasm]

I am shocked by all of this. The reaction seems way too much considering the "offense."

I took a history class called "World Liberalization" that kind of explains a bit. It is hard to force liberalization. It takes time and effort and lots of baby steps. Examples of forced liberalization results are the race riots in America during the Civil Rights movement and the anti-Lebanese race riots in Australia last year. Eventually, these movements have a positive effect (I probably wouldn't be sitting here if it wasn't for the Civil Rights movement), but it is very hard to do and I think it has to be done at a national level. In America, what made the Civil Rights movement work partly (greatly?) was the authority of the presidents squelching the "separate but equal" dogmas that the governors were upholding. The national governments must deplore and (God forbid) punish these crimes against embassies. If Jesse Jackson can negotiate to get 3 hostages back from an enemy during wartime without shedding a drop of blood, anyone can do it.

The thing that surprises me is that many of the rioting muslims (protestors if you will) are actually within those countries, enjoy the very liberties those countries give to them, and then dare to threaten to destroy them.

I'm sorry but what the fuck? Get the fuck out if that's how it's repaid.