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lazy man 03-31-2006 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonsbane
why the hell isn't Team Good fighting for itself?

Maybe because some of them haven't posted for... over a week at least? I know I've been waiting for something to happen (see my last post), but I think some of the other people just kinda zoned out or something.

Either that, or I haven't been paying enough attention to anything.

Arhra 04-01-2006 09:34 AM

Well, I was hoping to get the crash done today, but I haven't managed to get the time to write a post worthy of such a momentous event. I should be able to get it up the next day or so I believe.

I'll just clarify a point or two a point or two about my last post while I'm at it. As I said in the post, the actions are deliberately shown in a way intended to make Kirakiri seem unstoppable.

Psychology aside, Kirakiri has several advantages in this situation. The monks are physically outgunned by him. He's the one with the massive strength, sharp stabby bits and several times their natural reach. About the only part of him they can effectively attack is his head, or one of the claws he's gripping onto the deck with. That means coming well within range of his attacks, where he's very stable and they have to contend with poor footing. His increased physical strength and size also make his attacks virtually impossible to block in most situations, meaning the only real option is dodging.

Also, physically the monks simply can't do much to him. They're fighting with just their bodies after all, and those martial arts styles work best against another humanoid opponent. What are they going to do? Punch him in the eye?

Thus, the two most effective things they can do to him is attempt to get prayer strips on him, where, given the situation, throwing them at him isn't likely to be too effective. Thus they'd have to get close to him, where the advantages are mainly his.

The other thing is the elite monk's ability to create bolts of flame. Somewhat less likely to get affected by the winds as they're not just a strip of paper, Kirakiri deflected the attack before by taking it on his head crest. At least an inch of reinforced bone there. It still probably hurt more than he let on though.

Also, you may have noticed the two monks Kirakiri killed are the ones who made mistakes. The first one was a little too quick to rush into the fray without getting any idea of what his enemy was capable of and the second broken form the more defensive position with the other monks and rushed forward to try and save his ally. Admirable, but foolhardy unsupported.

I'll just add that attacking him one at a time like that, Kirakiri can take the monks down fairly easily. In his battle with the pair of monks before, his greatest difficulty was their coordination. His multiple limbs this time also allow him to more effectively deal with several opponents at once.

Hopefully, this should clear up any problems.

Finally however, I do believe Raikotsu's monk kill was a bit fodderish. I find the argument of the monks being 'unable to block invisible blade-missiles' specious, as the same description could be applied to most of the players. Also, even direct blows seem to be turned rather easily by that air-shield of his. I suggest you reign things back a touch in the future DB.

Dragonsbane 04-01-2006 03:26 PM

Tayuumi crushed the airshield, and both of the monks attacked alone, with melee weapons and paper strips. They both underestimated a seemingly weaker foe, and their recklessness got them slaughtered, just like the two monks Kirakiri killed.

Many of the advantages Kirakiri possesses are also held by Raikotsu. He may not have huge claws, horns, or multiple limbs, but he does have the capability to manipulate the environment here, and he has been lucky enough not to be targeted by the Elite Monks yet. Raikotsu has superior maneuverability in this situation, as well as a long-reaching polearm and an ability that happens to work well here. Now, the bolts of fire the Elite Monks are shooting would DEFINITELY be a problem. Unlike Kirakiri, Raikotsu can't hold those off.

Krylo 04-01-2006 07:26 PM

Also: On the Yaburo comparison... Yaburu would have had advantages that the monks didn't have in that situation.

I mean, yah, the fire is nifty and all, but it doesn't really stop things. Just hurts them. Yaburu COULD have blocked blows from Kirakiri with the Tekken Semehorobosu, by simply turning his flesh into tiny-explodey-gooey-bits when he struck at him.

Without the Semehorobosu, however, I admit that Yaburu would've gotten pwned by Kirakiri in that situation. Might have managed to dodge a bit better, but then, the two monks did make mistakes--and dodging around in a tornado would have probably brought as much fire down on me as Kirakiri killing those two did.

The elites stand a chance if they just stand back and burninate at his limbs repeatedly while dodging anything that gets too close... but that's about the only way I see even a VERY skilled martial artist winning under those situations.

I too am questionable on the wind blades killing the monks that easily, though. It seems a bit too convenient to constantly have the monks underestimate the party.

As this IS the first time they've met I say we let it slide, but put forth a future notice: The monks have now (or will shortly have) lost three elite monks (the one Taken killed + two on the ship) and 9 normal monks (2 Taken Killed, 4 Kirakiri killed, 1 Sakiko killed, and 2 DB killed). In the future they probably won't under estimate any of team evil. May even OVER estimate T.E., being more cautious than actually necessary.

Now I don't mean for them to be quite equal to players (lets face it, prayer strips and fire do NOT rock as much as the semehorobosu), but close to it. Obviously I took down three with Taken with little in the way of injury--but the fight lasted much MUCH longer, and there were a few close calls for him. AND he's better suited to fighting them than most of team evil, being non-demonic, and thus rendering pray strips impotent.

Of course, I'm not one of the GMs, so my view is entirely arbitrary.

PhoenixFlame 04-01-2006 10:47 PM

If they are not already called, I would enjoy fighting the two elite monks. I admit this is rather metagamish, but it will prevent anyone else from engaging them while I write a long and involved fighting post once the airship crashes.

Just making sure no-one else has any plans for them.

I'd like to use a few of the martial arts ideas I've been having.

I imagine I wouldn't be any more disadvantaged than Taken, being an anti-human demon myself.

Truce 04-02-2006 12:55 AM

I've completely lost track of where everyone was and where Youji would be at this moment. Since he wouldn't make much of a difference at this point anyway, I'll wait until this particular battle is over to post again.

Arhra 04-02-2006 09:37 AM

The airship has landed.

I was hoping to write a slightly more impressive post, but this will have to do. In case you're wondering, Takin's hardly dead, although he may be in trouble if no-one goes to his aid.

Team Evil can begin arriving on the scene very soon. Team Good should probably notice the crash about now. There will be some delay between them getting there and Team Evil getting there though.

Now, Ecurt, as I recall, Youji was actually on the airship wasn't he?

PhoenixFlame 04-02-2006 01:06 PM

I've posted my arrival, since I seem to be in the front of the ground-based group. There is still several tens of seconds of delay or so between Kirakiri's crash and Koyuki leaping atop the Airship's deck. Go, dramatic athletics!

Granted, Kirakiri seems to be going after Takin, so I'm taking care of those two Elite Monks who would invariably try to save the engineer.

IHateMakingNames 04-02-2006 01:11 PM

Pheonix, Koyuki would be at a much greater disadvantage then Taken, since she is a demon. Also,
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Originally Posted by Raiden
However, if there are two Elite Monks and one demon, you WILL be defeated, no matter what your abilities.

Arhra, I'm assuming that Kirakiri' purposely went after Takin. But how would he know where the control room is?

PhoenixFlame 04-02-2006 01:13 PM

Bah, so much for a sword style specifically designed to fight humans. Bear in mind the monks would be at a much greater disadvantage against her than Taken, if we're going to get technical like that.

I'll deal with one of the elite monks then. The other will deal with Kirakiri.

So much for that idea. *Shrug* I guess your average faceless shaolin monk is more than a match for one of the more powerful demons of the world. How silly of me to think otherwise.

I still wonder how he'll manage to block aggravated lethal damage with his hands. I suppose I'll have to make him be really cool to compensate. In other news, edited.


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