Well, now that you put it that dojindog and newb are both voting the same way and both scummy's know who each other is, I Have to change my vote.

UNVOTE: TheSpacePope
Vote: Dojindog

I can't trust anybody who has a vote with another person against anyone. I chose to keep newb around because he is experienced and he could be useful in the later days.

No. Bad.

How bad? He knows what he is doing and...can lynch us covertly because he is experienced.

UNVOTE: Dojindog
VOTE: Newb

There can be no mercy in war.

Alright. I'll set this advice.

NEVER, EVER in a game change your vote so rampantly. I'll refer you to the recent incident of Catlover in Mafia Basic. He voted too much and was killed for it.

Now, do not EVER decide a vote solely on how good someone is. And, if that IS your excuse, Newb is a novice compared to me in the vote manipulation category.

Newb IS good at staying alive and gathering information.

So if your vote is based on who can get you lynched, that'd be me. And trust me, that a flimsy excuse for a vote and it has a SEVERE chance of biting you back.

Demonlink2 (1)
Mesden

grthwllms (2)
Newb
Dojindog

Newb (3)
grthwllms
Demonlink2
Supreme Edgemaster

5 TO LYNCH. NO DEADLINE YET.

Gah, sorry for the lack of input, that'll teach me to start a game the day before I go to a college orientation for two days.

Well mesden, I voted for dojin because I thought newb would be of use later and you shot me down for it. I vote for newb because he could screw us over later and you shoot me down for it.

FoS: Mesden

why are you shooting me down so much?

EDIT: I took out my vote. It was out of anger.

One, don't get angry over a game. Two, I shoot you down so you learn.

You learn from mistakes, the more you make earlier, the better you are later. It's not fair if I don't shoot you down.

You don't vote for how good someone is. Never do that. You vote because of your belief of their role. The best player can be a townie while the worst is mafia. It's how it works and you'll never know without real deduction.

I'm trying to help you, I'm not a soft teacher.

Well you've shot down every vote I've made so I can't make a good vote. You always shoot down my votes and never anyone elses. It's just really unfair. Either shoot down everybodys or none at all. By the way, what do you think oof my first attempt at using graphics gale? (Hint: See Avatar)

Well, I'm picking yours to show the flaw of your rampant voting. It's a learning experience.

Expect to be picked out when you're the active one.

(I've no opinion on that, since I don't even know what it's supposed to mean, but try to leave it out of the game. Something in Arts and Crafts, maybe.)

Actually, I'm better at poking people until they give away what role they have, but I guess that sort of falls under gathering information.

And since Mesden has brought it up, there are different styles of play. I'm teaching mine, she's teaching hers.

On that note, I'll continue.

Okay, since I seen all these votes based on "well he voted for such and such", I'm just going to say now that what's really important in this game is not the what but the how.

A terrorist or a police officer might both shoot the same person, but the terrorist might be doing it so the person couldn't give away the plan, and the police might do it while trying to aprehend the person.

Pay more attention to the reasons people give than to their actual actions.

Well, In my opinion there is such a thing as being TOO inexperianced.
As likly as it is that Dojindog did not know how the mafia worked, it is JUST as likly that he DID and was useing "inexperiance" to cover himself from suspicion.
Either way I feel obigated to point a FoS: Dojindog

Edit: I also see that he has not posted for a small while, which could mean he feels comfortable about not being suspected, or that he could, which again just as likley, just not got around to giving his input, which is understandable since this is the inexperianced mafia, not Mafia beserk edition. Which, by the way, scares me by its mere title.

Actualy Patrat, what you just said, that makes me want to vote: Dojindog

I actually have a deeper theory, lets see if anyone changes their vote to me after this, we may catch our other mafia.

I think that you are right about dojindog patrat, and I think that we may be able to corner both of the mafia soon.

I dunno,
We shouldn't jump to conclusions just yet, If we want to fully accuse, I think it's only appropriate to wait for Dojindog's responce (or lack thereof) to the matter, as i fail to see much evidence pertaining to push my opinion either of my said theories.

Yeah I wasn't really posting because I didn't know what to post that hadn't already been said (*joking* plus I didn't know what to post if I wasn't constantly being hounded for possibly being a mafiate *joking*). I didn't know how the Mafia worked. I thought about what I said after I had already posted and kinda realized how stupid it sounded, but since we're not supposed to delete our posts I didn't delete that one.

Lesson: Think before you act.

Vote Update:

Demonlink2 (1)
Mesden

grthwllms (2)
Newb
Dojindog

Newb (3)
grthwllms
Demonlink2
Supreme Edgemaster

dojindog (1)
TheSpacePope

5 TO LYNCH. DEADLINE IS TOMMOROW, 6/13/06, AFTER LAST COMIC STANDING. I THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SHOW.

Alright, SpacePope mentioned a bait and switch tactic earlier, and this is rather interesting, as I think that Grth may be pulling a stunt involving bait here.

He makes post 72, deletes it as soon as I respond, and then when I make post 74 he votes for me in 75. As if that weren’t enough, I accrue another vote against me in 76.

And both of these not too long after I mention that I’ll be away for a few days.

This is looking a lot like an underhanded attempt to start a bandwagon against me while I’m not there to defend myself.

Now, as an added bonus, this post deletion makes Supreme Edgemaster looking at me, and his rapid vote change gets him over to me.

Interestingly, his two votes were both for people going after Gareth.



With all of this, I’m not sure who the other mafiate is, but it’s looking very much like Grthwllms is the don, and the mafiates, being inexperienced, think that the don is worth more than the other mafiates, and are trying to defend him at all costs.

Well, according to you, Supreme and Gareth are the mafiates. Which I suspect means that

A) Gareth's playing his cards VERY well, or

B) Gareth is a townie who's trying to repel attention.



Now, while I won't change my vote just yet, I'm back at my square 1: Grthwllms and Newb. Both Dangerous. Other opinions on these two, anyone?

Well, that DOES sound suspicous...
Actually, WAY topo supsicous. It's not beyond belief that gareth is playing his cards right, as it's the object of the game really. And supreme was already put under suspicion from others as well...
If Newb is right about them being mafia, it seems that Garaeth would be the smarter one,thus,
Vote: Grthwllms

Well I try to make points across when I vote and try to give more than one reason, and you people are making very good reasons. Now, I can't trust someone who might have a night role and seing as there are only 2 and they are both playing their parts very well, people should keep your eyes open at all times for slip ups by the vig or PO.

While I am flattered that you think I'm some kind of mastermind here, I regret to inform you that I am not that smart.

Hate to Break it to you, there's no Vig, just a PO.

That's not very convincing, to be quite honest. "No, I'm not that smart. Really."

That's not helping your case either. Only the mafia would really want to worry about slip up from the P.O. or vig, if they existed or not.

I'm siding with Patrat. It's easy to act dumb, but tough to act smart.

Vote Update:

Demonlink2 (1)
Mesden

grthwllms (3)
Newb
Dojindog
Patrat

Newb (3)
grthwllms
Demonlink2
Supreme Edgemaster

dojindog (1)
TheSpacePope

5 TO LYNCH. "ALL THE WOMEN I DATE ARE THE SAME; THEY'RE PLASTIC" I FIND THAT FUNNY. I CAN RELATE. LAST COMIC...DAY ENDS IN 30 MINUTES.
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"Oh don't mind me, just checking in on...my..." The dean strode in to the empty classroom, his oblivious nature quickly bottoming out in the nihilism of the room. All that remained was a frazzled old wizard, sitting amongst piles of papers. The way the piles seemed stacked suggested that some sort of order had quickly devolved into a sort of paper-equivalent armeggedon. The dean looked the scene over once more and started in on the only object in the room capable of coherent thought. "You do realize that there are no students in this class?"

"Well, that depends on your definition of space-time and magical reverberations across the planar harmonic."

"Let's assume my definition is 'this room'," As the wizard made a disheartened motion to speak, the dean called up his prior experience with magic wielders. ",And in this assumption, let's further assume that if the answer is something like 'Well, yes and no', a teacher in this room will be fired without severence."

"In that case, no. But...they should come back. Upon 'death'. I think. I don't know to what extent their mafia roles will extend in the alternate timeline universe. But...they should come back. Maybe alive."

"This does not bode well for upcoming Secret Santas."

As the two conversed a small slip of paper popped out of nothingness and floated onto an empty desk. The dean retrieved it first and read it aloud. "Tie. No lynching. Night begins."

"Well, at least no one's died."

"Hmm, I presume you left a 'yet' off for my convienience. No, don't answer that, I'll just stick around."

IT IS NOW NIGHT. DO NOT POST. PM ME YOUR NIGHT ROLES.
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"She seems alive at least..."

The dean mused over this fact for a few moments. Ten minutes after the note had materialized, during which the small talk had been noticeably tense, one of the students had appeared vertically in the air before slamming into a pile of papers. In the thirty seconds since then the two elder staff had wondered what to do with the obviously breathing girl. The dean went up and slightly nudged the girl.

"AHHHAHHHAHHHAHHHAHHAHHH!" The dean jumped back, while the mage wrapped her in a sphere of silence.

"So, she's alive? Who is she again?"

"Umm...lemme see, I have a list with their names and roles...yes, that's Mesden, town-aligned townie."

"Redundancy seems to be a large part in this game. No matter, at least we know they live. Just send her off to the medical ward till she calms down and you'll tell her that she passed the test with flying colors and has no reason to inform her parents or bring undue hassle to the Academy. Yes, that should work. And pillows. Pillows would be good."

IT IS NOW DAY 2. 7 PLAYERS REMAIN. 4 TO LYNCH. NO DEADLINE YET.

Awwwwh. Well, sad to say I won't be able to play mafia games anymore and this signified it for me.

I'm considered too major a player and will be killed off early everygame. I still remind you one of the Vets is most likely mafia. Check around for stuff why don'tya.

Edit: CmP, twas a fairwell post. Just PM me if you want it gone. All I wanted to say was that I'll not be able to play mafia much more. *sigh*

Or it could be that the mafia is systematically offing the experienced people.

If one of the two remaining experienced players turn up dead tomorrow, lynch the other one.

Mes, don't take this as a sign you can't play until you see the whole game play out. It could turn out that you just tagged a mafiate too early.

I try not to go after people that I think are mafiate until I'm pretty sure I have most or all of them.

From the fact that it wasn't me that was killed, I'm thinking maybe Grth really is a townie, and if either of the other two people in that triangle are in the mafia, they must think they can slide their way out of being pinned.

Either that or they're pulling some sort of reverse psychology.

Well I say FoS: Demonlink2 after all Mesden was after him before she died I find that a tad bit suspicious. While it seems obvious at the same time it could serve him in two different ways.

Just an FYI to other inexperianced, It's hard to suspect somone in this game following a mafia hit, as one must assume they will take careful time to see how they can get MORE then one person killed, which I believe somone said before. However, the opposite is a possiblity as well. He COULD be mafiate, and trying to cover himself up by thinking that, "I think the Mafia is just trying to get me linched" Get what I'm saying? We need to, as redundant as i sound, find SOMTHING that gives him more away.

Still following that, it can be said that YOU are suspicous for readily accusing him. If you were a mafiate, and wanted to get somone lynched, SOMONE has to say FoS, and that same person, ie you, could just be an eager mafiate, waiting to get the day overwith so you can make another hit. However, since this is Inexprianced Mafia, you may just be eager to POST.
The only options are to find out which is more likley, and to just guess somtimes. However, since I'm not patial to guessing, I'm going to with hold my suspitions, until there is MORE.

Well, Demonlink already acted a little suspicious when he seemingly tried to start a bandwagon off of Grthwllms' vote.

It's not like this is the first thing making him look bad.

Well unlike to some people's suspicions, I thought that there was a vig and that the PO could help protect a mafiate if they so chose. I'm learning like most of you so don't hit me off for making a small error in the learning process.

What are you talking about? No one has suspected you yet, and quite frankly you sound a little too paranoid.
FoS: Supreme Edgemaster

Ah, yes, but I myself was paranoid of grthwllms and still am. however, I'm not going to vote him again just because he's lurking.

Patrat, Supreme had believed there was a vig, and I had corrected him earlier. 'Tisn't suspicion, just noobishness.

As Newb stated, you have reasons to assume my role...Wether or not you do is YOUR choice.

I read this earlier and it just registered with me today

No bad idea. If we do that then we are in trouble there are 5 townies we lost one already that makes 4 if we don't lynch a mafiate today and we don't lynch the PO either then there are only 3 townies left and when the mafia hits that night we are 2/2, 2/3 if the P.O. is left if we kill off the last inexperienced we are quite possibly killing off our last hope of survival.

Newb that is an awfully bad idea from such an experienced player it hurts me to vote this early but Vote: Newb

Um, excuse me?

Mesden was entirely right, in all likelyhood, one of the experienced people has to be a mafiate, so that the inexperiienced mafiate has some help in choosing targets.

What I was essentially saying there is that if I get killed at night, then Spacepope must be a mafiate, and if Spacepope gets killed at night, then I must be a mafiate.

Are you saying that it is a bad plan to vote for someone you know to be a mafiate by process of elimination?

And I'm having trouble following your math there.

We have seven people now.
2/5
We have a chance to get a mafiate today.
1/5
If an experienced player turns up dead, we know who the other mafiate is.
1/4
So we can follow that plan and vote them off.
0/4
Town wins.



Of course, this assumes that we catch a mafiate today and not waste our time trying to get ahead of ourselves.

I guess I did get a little ahead o myself but the thing I was mainly having a problem with is was the voting for the person simply because they are an experienced person. I realize that it's likely an experienced would be a mafiate in fact it wouldn't make alot of sense if at least one experienced person wasn't a mafiate (how else would an inexperienced mafiate learn how to do his job). I have problems with the proccess of elimination when we are talking about so late in the game. On another note though why should we wait for one of the experienced to kill off the other before we vote we should take the initiative.

You are totally forgetting about mesden here. And frankly you are making me uncomfortable with the sly accusation you just leveled in there. How does that make me mafia. I have never said anything accusatory towards you at all. As a matter of fact, I haven't really accused anyone. "cept mesden and dojindog. As a matter of fact on that subbject...UNvote: Dojindog

I really want to know why it has to be like that. There are three experienced players here. Not just you and me. Just to put it out there, it could be you and mesden that are mafia. (It probably isn't) But I do know that I do not like that play newb and I need some explanation.

Mesden is dead pope! As well as a Town aligned townie


Edit sorry for edit just felt that last bit needed to be said

I missed that post.

Now I am confused.

Well that kills my original theory that mesden was mafia.
Actually Newb, I think all three of the experienced players might be townies.
I think that we need a post count. O Game master on high, will you induldge me please.

Yeah sure, why not.

1. Newb - 15 posts
2. Mesden - Killed Night 1 - 23 posts
3. TheSpacePope - 12 posts
4. Supreme Edgemaster - 17 posts
5. grthwllms - 3 posts
6. Patrat - 12 posts
7. dojindog - 18 posts
8. Demonlink2 - 14 posts

Also...

Vote Update:

Newb (1)
dojindog

4 TO LYNCH. NO DEADLINE YET.

Well the person who is a mafiate must be trying to convince everybody to go their way so they can knock off townies or the PO and they must be having some success because there are people voting with others such as for Newb yeterday. Although they haven't entirely succeeded by lynching someone we should keep our eyes open for activity of someone trying to sway some people to their point of view.

I've decided to Unvote:Newb.
I don't think that we have enough evidence to Lynch him, If it turns out he's a Townie and we lynch him we've just lost an experienced player who really has been helpful.

Well first off Grth you never voted today second Demonlink that's the whole point of the game if your mafia your trying to sway people's point of view towards lynching someone who you think should be killed if your a townie your trying to sway people's PoV towards lynching a mafiate, and if your a PO your trying to sway the towns PoV towards someone you know is a mafiate or at least that's how I understood it worked.

?


I never said anything of the sort.

Sorry I meant Supreme Edgemaster I got mixed up and since we aren't supposed to edit posts I left it there

Ah. 'tis okay. I was just confused.

Well yeah that's all clear and everything but, somebody tell me is that or is that not the way we are supposed to play those seperate roles?

Ahem, not to bump this, but I believe this game died. The players haven't been active enough to matter lately.

I'm stating this so CmP may need to bump the next person on the mafia game list up (Even though I doubt he's around, due to his lack of GOing here) seeing as now we've only got one game.

In case the players still want to keep going, I COULD take on the GO mantle, having my own experience in it so far and I want to see the newcomers get the experience they were hoping for. I'd have to ask CmP first, though.

I would fully support you taking over as a GO might get this thing going a little bit faster and I do finish this game off

If you do, could you delay it by a week or two further?

well there's the case that people aren't just saying mindless things like they do in 20-30 people mafia games. People are actually thinking out what they want to say and are giving reason for votes. That's why were all here. To learn how to play mafia properly so we can stand a chance in the larger, more competitive game. I also think that CmP is doing fine as a GO and there is not much to do except give a post/lynch count and to create death scenes. I agree that we need more updates on said counts but I dont agree with CmP passing the torch to mesden. I think that the GO should stay with their mafia game to the end.

Yes well we aren't talking about a couple of days of inactivity Supreme we are talking like a week or more without any real game related comments. On thinking of it a bit more it is kind of true that CmP hasn't had much of a chance to say anything and with there only being 1 or 2 votes today I guess it would make sense to give him a bit of a break. My suggestion is that we set a deadline and show some actual talking besides about passing the torch.

Edit: Sorry for edit but I tried PMing CmP about it but I didn't get an answer so I'll just ask it here what kind of purpose does a Post count serve?

Absolutly nothing really,
People tend to think it means some sort of senority, but meh.
Sory for the absence, I've started vacation, and computor access was limited.

It's been a week later and I'd like to have an in game vote from everyone to see if they wish for me to run the game. I'll give another week and if anyone has a real problem with it, I'll not take control.

I don't have a problem with it so I'll Vote:Mesden *cough* *cough*

No but in all seriousness my vote will be on mesden taking over at least until CmP takes the time to voice his status

Edit: Hey Mes have you tried PMing him or something?

I have already given my voice on this matter. I believe that CmP should remain GO because he is the one who had the idea for the whole "come learn how to play mafia" idea. I also believe that CmP should stay GO because he is the one who started the whole "mafia" game on the NPF in the first place. Also this is really nothing to do with game relations. This has to do with who will run the game, not who will be lynched and who to point the FOS at. I'd like to see some actual in game talk, not just who will run the game. finally, I think that CmP is doing a good job as GO, dojindog, why do you think otherwise or think that Mesden is better suited for the job?

I believe I can answer that.

*Courtroom gasps as Demonlink2 enter the courtroom*

Because Mesden is already dead, s/he is best suited for the job. That, and, CmP has been inactive as of late, and this game's going nowhere fast.

I have sent a PM to him. It was a few days ago I might add. He hasn't responded NOR has he been around lately.

You're saying he's doing a good job as GO, but he hasn't been active enough to GO at all lately. I'd only be here to carry out his legacy and give you players the chance to finish the game.

The GO...

Sets Deadlines

Takes in Nightroles

Formulates Night Role activities into posts

Takes vote counts

Adheres players to the rules

CMP has done most of those, aside from in ones that happen during th day because he hasn't been around.

I'm just offering this up as an oppurtunity to keep your game going while he isn't here, not take credit. I'm also deceased in this game. I've also ran a game before, one I've obtained praise for a few times.

Should he return, I would, without hesitation, return the game to him.

Here's my case and if one person has a problem, then I'll not do it because if someone won't have fun because of it, then there's no point.

CMP has a very novel idea and it's that very reason why I want to move the game along in his absence.

Repost.

I've given time on the matter and I'd like to know everyone's opinions. I'll PM everyone currently in the game as some may not notice this post.

I'd be fine with you running it, but you'll need the co-operation of either CMP or the people who have roles in case one of them gets voted, so you can make your post reflect their roles.

I have no problem keeping going.

Mesden may run it if she likes.

You guys are total backstabbers. Its like saying "ok SpacePope, you arent doing your job properly, so you are going to die now" It's probably that he's on vacation and has no access to a computer or has not had the time to check the mafia game or his pm box. I know i haven't checked the NPF in a week at a time.

Edgemaster...He's been gone almost a month. I'm NOT taking credit. I'm NOT backstabbing. I WILL hand over the game INSTANTLY if/when he returns.

I was just offering it because I'd love to see the newbie's game go ahead. Sorry if I "Backstabbed" anyone or anything.

Who better to run it in CMP's stead than Mesden! She's been a part of the game, she knows how the game has been going. All everyone needs to do now is send mesden what their roles are and she can go on modding it and you can go on playing. Plus, Mesden does have the reputation of having run the best game thus far on the NPF.

Sorry for intruding on this Mes. Just felt like there should be a person who doesn't have a steak in this (despite you being dead already) give their two cents in to help someone GO this who isn't CMP.
The Irony. Isn't Mafia all about backstabbing?

I've PM'd every player and I'll not continue on with the game until I've either been given an affirmation PM or seen a post from each player.

ok when you put it that you will just be intern, ill vote to have mesden handle the game temporarily. ill just send you my role now

I'd like everyone to state in thread that the approve before I attempt to take control.

I'll start with Edgemasters. I'll need an in thread agreement and for you to PM me your role, townie, PO or Mafia. Bit of officialness if you don't mind.

Veterans
1) Spacepope [ ]
2) Newb [Agreed ]
3) Mesden Vanilla Townie.
Inexperienced
4. Supreme Edgemaster [Agreed]
5. grthwllms [Agreed ]
6. Patrat [Agreed ]
7. dojindog [Agreed ] Vanilla Townie.
8. Demonlink2 [ Agreed]

Well I sorta agreed several times before but one more shouldn't hurt my el posto is in el mailo

I approve. If that's what you want, again.

I already agreed in the thread, and I'll send you my role via AIM next time I see you on.

I know you may have agreed already, but I need it confirmed post here because this is half starting a new game with my list, and a nice, proof of activity at this point and willingness to play from everyone would be appreciated, solidified in this thread.

I'll agree to you taking over but I might not be around the thread much.

I have absolutly no beef with your taking over.

I hope that all of the contestants in this mafia are on vacation, because this thread has been inactive for weeks at a time. I do realize that I was inactive for a week. I did catch up on my reading up on what happened however. It's just ridiculous on how many posts there are. I see the chat8bit mafia getting new posts every hour, yet this mafia seems to get one post a day if that often. I want to know WTF. I try to post on this thread and there are no new topics to post about. Mesden, if you would just forget the final person and just intern the game so we can get moving on this game, that would be great.

Mesden, shouldn't you be able to tell what SpacePope's role is, since you know everybody else's role? I think Pope forgot about this game, and maybe we could remind him or I could play in his place, if that's okay with you.

I sent him 2 PMs on this game. He's one of our vets, so the game can live without him.

I've give till about 5 PM CST for him to respond and then I'll start the game no matter what.

Other players, feel free to spam his inbox. Rules say: "No communicating" and honestly, I interpret the rules as long as you don't give something away or say anything unsaid, it's ungame changing.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo, SPAM EM'!

Edit: Fenris, if he doesn't respond, you play. I'm confident enough that you count as a vet.

uhh i sent you a pm with my role in it and i already said it was okay

redundancy city up in here

And don't tell people to spam me

cause that ain't nice

And I sent you three PMs depicting that I wanted a concrete, in thead answer prior to my list post. You never complied so don't sass me, boy!

Anyhow, with that past, the game begins. Deadline is:

NEXT SATURDAY AT 3PM, CENTRAL STANDARD TIME.

Okay so now we get to play the game!? Awesome! /end sillyness

Alright so how shall we start this off?

With a simple random vote based on nothing, duh.

So...vote:SpacePope for not saying yes in the thread before the rest of us.

That is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever heard.

You know what, I said yes before anyone else. The Go just never registered me.

So I'm going to VOTE:dojindog because the only good idiot is a dead idiot. Edit: I totally forgot the smiley here and now I feel like a total asshole. HUGE. ASSHOLE. ME. THE SPACE POPE. ASSHOLE. TOTALLY.
He'll just end up killing me and some other townies before it is revealed that he is a townie.

Oh yea I'm going to Roleclaim:townie
Because that is what I am.
So come and get me.